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[UnaBombaH]

Hallo!

VOTE: Alisae because they are always scum, never town, and sometimes SK.

[UnaBombaH]

Una I have never once rolled SK on this site you're thinking of Claire

Oh, ok then.
VOTE: Claire

[UnaBombaH]

Who is she though?

[UnaBombaH]

Una can you go into why you picked this game?

I've played like three Opens and probably lost all of them?
I also dislike Opens.
I also like Normals more.

[UnaBombaH]

OK then.
VOTE: Alisae, sorry Claire.
Suspecting Maria though..

[UnaBombaH]

I don't think we have, Alisae..

[UnaBombaH]

oh ok I am sad that that is how you think of me as a person

...what?

[UnaBombaH]

Her claim is that she made the post from the first page. She wouldn't have seen any of the votes or l-1 post if that's true.

Bullshit

Do you have conclusive proof that that's not how she enters games?

I think Maria means that she would've seen that "another post has been made" - view of the L-1 post.

[UnaBombaH]

I admit to being a bit lost here.
Mastina would've thought that getting Alisae lynched D1 is worth putting herself in the center of suspicion..
Is it ever a worthy trade for her?

[UnaBombaH]

Hell, I'm willing to vote either Maria OR Mastina here, although Mastina feels more like policy than anything..
She has managed to get herself in a situation where she has done something "so scummy" that it feels like "scum!Mastina would never do it" etc etc
Except that I think she would do it, she's absolutely sharp and bold enough.
Except I have no trouble believing it was an accident.
I'll also openly admit that I always weight in the factor of "I don't want to lose to a play like this", even if one shouldn't..
I think our neighbors are both town though, they are just jealous of each others cars..

[UnaBombaH]

You're being far too reactive. At this point I'm content to lynch mastina and MariaR, and if the game is still going and I'm still alive I'll reevaluate other stances.

Be prepared to be called scum though..
I was told you can't want them both lynched, and you just named Maria only because she is your scumbuddy.

/s

[UnaBombaH]

Unba and chamber do you sr me and mastina as partners or are we just the most scummy to you? If it's the former a bit more info on that would be great

Good question.
I think I do not read you as partners here.

I think that by lynching Maria, we get mastina locked either way.
I'm willing to believe that lolhammer D1 was from town, so therefore I'd vote Maria today.

[UnaBombaH]

Yeah I think Maria is town.

Mastina can you ask Pine about EP?

..and of course we have opposite views on it!

[UnaBombaH]

I think if I can figure out UnaBombaH alignment I can win this game

Can hekp - town.

[UnaBombaH]

I was considering asking her to claim.

I mean.

I accidentally claimed my role yesterday when I said that it'd be safe for a Neapolitan to investigate me; that kinda gave away that I'm a VT.

...oh.
I thought it was a PR-soft in the sense that you wouldn' claim scum anyway..

[UnaBombaH]

not rly I've been scum against una every game

I think this a scumclaim?

[UnaBombaH]

Sorry for the spam - this is how I catch up.
VOTE: Maria

I wanted to make sure there's no L-1 before voting ( ), and I do think mastina is town here.

[UnaBombaH]

Don't make me explain the "locktown"-part right now.
I'm voting for Maria, because I want to lynch scum today.

[UnaBombaH]

I know I'm utterly below the level of everyone else in this game, but I DO have a knack for noticing nuances in interactions.
It's just putting them to words I suck at.. so much good I am then!
Anyhow, I have a vibe from Ranmaru-chamber.
They are either both town like I initially thought, or they are both scum..thoughts?

[UnaBombaH]

I think you misunderstand me here..
Have some patience with me.

[UnaBombaH]

You project a confidence in scum reading maria that is contradicted a handful of posts later when you allude to the possibility that Chamber and Ranmaru could possibly be SvS.

You raise a valid point..!
Except that there's the fact that I already said I think it's more likely they are just both town.
My main point being that I don't think it's ever T/S either way around.
I obviously understand that if Maria flips scum, them being S/S becomes impossible -

what I therefore find interesting is that you can't see my eagerness to lynch Maria with all of this in mind.

I THINK Maria will flip scum, I THINK it will promptly confirm both chamber and Ranmaru as town, and I THINK we are close to locking the game away after that.

[UnaBombaH]

It reads to me like you're pushing an agenda, to make your cake (maria mislynch) and eat it too (cast shade on others in the process).

This must've risen either from scum-intent on your part, or from the fact that you misinterpreted my asking for others thoughts on the two slots.
I wanted to hear thoughts to see if anyone thinks they could ever be T/S either way around - I don't think they can.

[UnaBombaH]

Ech.
I'll post a longer explanation when I get on computer.
So tomorrow or saturday.
I feel like Cheeky is trying hard to twist my words here..

[UnaBombaH]

A reasonable explanation here would have been that you were trying to elicit a reaction by wagoning Maria and that you are confident for x, y and z reasons.

Yet here you struck gold, for whatever reason.
But of course mastina isn't around when I try to bait them in particular.
I'm tired.

[UnaBombaH]

I got no ego to bruise..
I'd bet mine is the smallest on site - and you can quote me on that.
Even out of context.

[UnaBombaH]

Upon Mastina scum, Una is scum.

Everything else aside, I heavily disagree with this.
Trying to draw associatives between me and mastina feels bad.
I'm legit ready to "policy lynch" her for what she did in any other game with more players in it.
But since I'm erring on town!mastina, and we have already lost one capable scumhunter in a micro, I don't want to go there.

[UnaBombaH]

Who's your biggest SR? Like if you had to lynch and Martina hadn't derphammered, who's scum?

Yet again, Cheeky with the right question.
Forget about the mastina lolhammer for a moment everybody, and see where your reads go then.
THEN add that hammer on top of everything, and at least I get a feel that it really WAS an honest mistake.

[UnaBombaH]

Ugh mobile posting. I r spells.

One of the reasons my activity lacks in games where I want to play on my best.
I'm sensoring my posts and formatting so much (no need to try and make this AI) when I'm playing with people I feel are of a higher skill, that mobileposting just feels inadequate. And when I have busy weeks at work, like now, I have next to no chance at comp.posting.

[UnaBombaH]

Thanks Cheeky.

[UnaBombaH]

What do you want from me?

[UnaBombaH]

What do you want from me?

You've yet to clarify your opinions.

On what?
I think mastina is town. If you want the full taste of wine, I really think she wouldn't put herself in that situation as scum. That is to say, I DON'T THINK SCUM!mastina LETS THAT MISTAKE EVEN HAPPEN. Sue me.
I do however keep an open mind for scum!mastina (in the event Maria is town, I dont think they are aligned), which is why I wanted her to react to my vote on Maria.
Cheeky jumped at the sight of it however, and the atmosphere was lost. Also she hasnt been around much.

MariaR feels like scum, but I need to ISO-work her, and that is why I'm commenting and observing from the sidelines for now - I have access and time to write within the weekend.

I think Cheeky has a solid chance to be scum WITH MariaR. A lot of that should be more clear to me when I refresh my read on Maria, but Cheekys attitude towards me while I seem to be the only one pushing for her, feels like a chainsaw to my ribs.

Ranmaru/chamber I have as town on assumption that

[UnaBombaH]

...fking phoneposting.

[UnaBombaH]

So come page 15 I started to REALLY wonder who is this EP..
I then noticed the Power Ranger, and was writing a post asking who they had replaced, or if it was an alt slip.
Guess they've been here all game after all
How have they been able to fly under the radar so easily?

[UnaBombaH]

Also making a note to comment on mastinas latest posts.
They feel super shitty from my PoV, as they seem to say that "I'm so scummy everyone should want to lynch me, even though I'm not scum and I've been trying to be towny and solve the game."
Like, scumreading me for townreading her should be almost as bad as OMGUSing someone for scumreading you..

[UnaBombaH]

I thought it had to be an avatar thing.

Una, will you be at a computer today so you can respond to Cheeky in full?

I aim to be.
It all depends on
A) when I get to leave from work
B) at what time my friends arrive - we are watching hockey together tonight
C) and/or how tired I am AFTER the game

What I can promise though, is that I will make a few longer posts, and I will spam the thread.
Sorry in advance I guess, but that's just my style of posting.

And to set this up with a dashing remark - If you aren't satisfied with my alignment after all the posts I'm about to make, then I welcome death by lynch, because I'm in my truest form when I'm catching up or ISOing.

[UnaBombaH]

Spoiler: HUGE ASS WALL

So my take on Marias ISO.

jokes on you
you can't sr me if I post only this ha

+

VOTE: alisae

=Rvs-random, I think.

That's L-1 by my count

Their third, and last post of D1.
Nothing worth analyzing so far, but I got a weird vibe from this whole hammer-situation now that I read it again.

-------------------START OF D2-------------------------------

VOTE: mastina
moving on

No attempt at questioning or commenting towards mastina. I think it's only towny and fair to try and provoke SOME SORT of interaction and discussion either towards the "obv.scum"-slot or around it.
If everyone would've gone the Maria-route at the start of day, we would have pretty much NOTHING at the start of D3. She seems oddly content with that scenario.

that wasn't a joke mastina would've saw the pedit for my "L-1" post so that's scum ta ta if mastina is town she did the biggest fuck up ever
good thing she's not town

...as an explanation doesn't cover anything IMO.

I wanted to put Ali at L-1 to see who would keep the vote on and

who would unvote please I wanted ali to react to my vote on her.

Cheeky is being dumb atm dumb town or scum remains to be seen as she acts dumb as both town and scum idc atm I wanna lynch scum

Here Ranmaru had questioned Maria on their L-1 vote. I don't think she was under a lot of pressure though, so her using the bolded wording (almost like pleading?) seemed off to me. This post was also the real start of my Maria+Cheeky-line of thought.
It doesn't come across as distancing yet, but it feels like "laying the foundation" for a buss later. (if it were to be necessary)

Sigh I suppose you have a point that if she's town we're fucked so I'll think it over( You can call me Maria or Claire I have no pref w/e you feel comfortable with!)

...and this didn't even cross your mind??
Like, my very FIRST thought was that it had been an accident - alignments aside - and that just rushing head first into her lynch would likely dig us even deeper into a swamp.

I forgot why I called cheeky dumb tbh I think it was pushing ram cause I tr him

This initially pinged me as scum too. Maria had refrained from calling Cheeky either alignment, but had used a way around it, calling her dumb. And now she doesn't even know why..?

How is this not something you had considered before voting?

Chamber asking Maria the same thing I wondered above..

It ran through my mind of course and I still wanna vote mastina but I have 14 days to flesh out the risk is not worth the reward of going into lylo with nada.

If this had been your FIRST thought and initial reaction to a mastina-speedwagon, I would probably think you are townier too..!

Una, why are you fine with either MariaR or Mastina?

Hold that thought, I'm being busy in the past.

because I am clearly a scummy person in this game Duhhhh

...couldn't have said it better myself.

in a neighborhood scum gets to pocket said neighbor you're appealing to 1 person instead of a crowd
I find scum neighbourizer a great role

I would actually agree with that sentiment. But. I feel like you said it here just because you want to maintain the paranoia and suspicions currently raging in that hood.
Just in case you still need to lynch either of them at some point to win.

I'm a reactive player
always have been

So am I, but apparently I'm scum for not posting more often?
(I'm most comfortable with making walls like this, but unfortunately it means I need to be on a comp. for them to make any sense, and I need other players to actually read for them to matter.)

Like I got pushed for that exact same thing many times.
Everytime I've been town for it

I'm pushing for you because of the posts you have actually made. Read above.

Unba and chamber do you sr me and mastina as partners or are we just the most scummy to you? If it's the former a bit more info on that would be great

I'm not sure if I ever properly answered this, but here goes.

I do not think mastina is scum here, but lynching her would remove that paranoia/WIFOM from LyLo. That is the only reason I've contemplated lynching her D2. If she were to be lynched and did flip scum, I could still see you two as buddies, so her alignment doesn't "help" you either way. That is also why I want you lynched over her today.

Too scummy to be scum vibes incoming whew

This was apparently towards mastina after her 252? Not seeing the "vibes" myself..

I think if I can figure out UnaBombaH alignment I can win this game

Is it just because this is about my slot, or does anyone else see the implications here?
Like, let's assume for funsies that she finally accepts that I'm town.
How does that solve the game? She would know that my push for her doesn't have a scum-agenda, nor does my reluctance to lynch mastina. That's it. I think she would have to flip a hell of a lot of her alignment-reads to be able to lock the scumteam from there.

Which means that her perspective for this sentence is that I'm lock!scum, and she only needs to find a partner from my interactions.

I'm not sure if this is a "perspective-slip" in the sense that town doesn't think they can win the game with just one slots alignment comfortably sorted, unless they are scum and give clear implications to follow on who's scum with them.
Bash me for being stupid if I misunderstood something.

not rly I've been scum against una every game

Including this one, hmm?

Posts #286 - #288 feels like scumtheater to me.
Something that Cheeky can "point out" as an attempt to "sort" Maria, and something she has a witty answer for..

I like you already

On a personal level, or do you finally get that I'm town in this game??

VOTE: Unabomb

Una is trying to get out of calling both me/mastina scum so he can ml me and cheeky I see

Or I'm the only one who has a hunch on you two? I'm not good in this game, but even a blind chicken hits a worm from time to time..

tempted to hammer mastina cause I trust Dunn's reads but I won't

Hope you are reading this wall, because here's a question to you then - do YOU think that me and mastina could be a team here?

Mastina if you think scum me is that predictable I'm a bit offended

Valuable insight.

if my top tr has a tr on cheeky.
Plus my partner has a tr on my top tr. I'll trust there judgement (it's strange cause I'm really good at reading scum cheeky)

Like, what is this post?

Do you scumread Cheeky or not? No? Because you said above that you think I want to MISlynch both you and Cheeky.
Yet here it feels again like you're softly making way for a scumread on Cheeky, but you don't scumread them because your partner and top TR think Cheeky is town?

Again, correct me if I'm wrong here.

Correct reads list are easy as fuck to fake. I don't get the point you're trying to make

..but completely refusing to make clear distinctions between players is scummy too. We can't hold you accountable for anything if you don't take a solid stance on anyone.

I'm playing this game much more dif then I would any other town game so fair enough

I trust you on this one..funny how that different play makes me think you are scum, but...

chamber sring me for thinking my town game is dif (rightfully so) felt towny tbh

..but me thinking the same way is scummy.
I feel like you might have decided that you want me lynched - no need for actual reasons!

Only reason I'm not hammering mastina is cause ram asked me not too

even though I want too so people don't get stupid and wagon me but meh

I think one of the things that make you a formidable scum/3rdparty -player is because you can somehow say things like the bolded above. It's such a "scummy" thing to say, that it feels like it can't come from town. But you do have that banner above your avatar..

I think una's chance of being scum is higher than mastina but then I remembered I don't really have any sr's besides mastina and una so it doesn't really matter.

Since it seems like you'll probably get mastina lynched today, humor me for a bit.

I assume I'm still scum tomorrow, so you'll need to pin a buddy to me. Who is it after mastina flips town today?

errant feels towny but the fact he hasn't taken a solid stance sr wise is weird.
I can see him being scum if 1 of una/mastina is scum
but I can also see cheeky being scum with mastina (but not una so an una lynch would be great)

Oh, I guess this is where it's at.
Funny though - you get mastina lynched today, and you have still 0 reason to NOT chase me tomorrow..
So maybe push for my lynch today instead, and be a good townie?

Tell me the scum in una/mastina then

HINT: neither.

[UnaBombaH]

UnaBombaH (2) ~ CheekyTeeky, MariaR

If anyone else here thinks I'm scum, please say so now (or at least soonish), and we can talk it through.
I remain with a stance that Ranmaru and chamber are both town, and I think Errant made my point already in their previous post towards Ranmaru(?).
This also means that scum is within mastina, Cheeky, Maria & Errant.
Errant is close to a null for me because I honestly didn't realize they were in the game until D2, but I'll make it a point to ISO them too.
I'd honestly lynch in order of Maria->Cheeky->mastina, but if I'm correct here, it shouldn't even matter because we hit scum 2/3.
Off to enjoy the last bit of a weekend that was mainly spent working (again).

[UnaBombaH]

Huh.
I sort of feel like Maria gave more honest answers than "perfect" answers.
I also tried to be overly nitpicky and provocative with the expectation that she would be overly aggressive towards me and solidify my scumread.
She didn't..

[UnaBombaH]

Una, where do you get that expectation of Maria from?

I feel like she fakes and pushes aggression a lot as either alignment, but I think scum!Maria might default to "rage" over a calmer and more analytical(?) answer to every point..
I'm a bit stumped here to be honest.
I need to look at Errand before days end, because I'm starting to think town!Maria MIGHT be here after all..

[UnaBombaH]

2-shot cop.
I visited Mastina N1, is Town.
I visited Ranmaru N2, is Town.

Your more, EP.

[UnaBombaH]

*move, fking tablet autocorrect fck.

[UnaBombaH]

Just a btw, either chamber/Ranmaru IS S/T after all, or it's EP+Maria?

[UnaBombaH]

No, it's Chamber / EP.

You sure?
I'm not sure whether to believe my read on you/chamber being aligned, or my read on Maria after yesterday..

[UnaBombaH]

EP says he is a scum specific ascetic, and says chamber is confirmed town to him. Plus he wants to lynch you.

Ooookayyy, meaning I want EP over either of the other two today.

[UnaBombaH]

I mean, I don't think Maria/chamber makes sense anyway, so EP is the common nominator?

[UnaBombaH]

why ranmaru last night?

Felt comfortable you+him are aligned, thought it would confirm two players.
I had my mind wondering around Cheeky+? all of last night, but since she is sort of.. cleared now..

[UnaBombaH]

I still think chamber is Town though..

[UnaBombaH]

We are not aligned. Look at Chamber's Mastina hammer. Tell me what you think of that.

Well, that's also why I wanted you locked. You've been a townread from the start, and I needed NOT to fall into paranoia.

[UnaBombaH]

I think the key here is to reread the interaction D2 when you outed your hood.
Will be back with that within a few days.

[UnaBombaH]

I can only be scum if he's lying about his role.

Explain this please.

[UnaBombaH]

I believe the mastina investigation from Una, and

the step didn't really make sense to me before his claim.

I wish I had seen the daytalk thing before saying as much in the PT though.

Showed too many cards if hes scum with you.

These too, please.

[UnaBombaH]

Tell me Una, what do you think of Maria's claim?

I think it's reasonable.
I also think it's a "safe" claim for someone like a scum-RB, who would've been hunting for PRs.

[UnaBombaH]

I know flavor shouldn't affect this but.. I think a Doc to my cop would be very "normal"..

[UnaBombaH]

Una, if we lynch EP, he flips scum, and I die at night, who would you push tomorrow? Seriously want to know.

No fking idea.

[UnaBombaH]

Wait wait wait.
We have this on lock, don't we?

[UnaBombaH]

We lynch EP today, and scum need to basically kill in me/Ranmaru to keep Maria vs chamber alive for tomorrow?

[UnaBombaH]

If they kill me, Ranmaru is confirmed, so Maria heals him.
Scum either has to kill me, or reveal which of the two is Town. Right?

[UnaBombaH]

Ranmaru, theres no need to worry about me misjudging in LyLo.
If Maria promises to heal you 100%, you will be there 100%.
Or she is scum.
So no chance for me to mess up the LyLo.!

[UnaBombaH]

I've been pondering about this for the whole day at work now, and I feel like my assessment that chamber and ranmaru are automatically aligned might have been hasty.
I still think that scum!chamber neighborizing ranmaru the way they did (and with the reasoning they apparently used), doesn't feel "smart" to me.

[UnaBombaH]

N2 target: Una

For whatever reason, I find this hard to believe..!
You thought I could've been the kill?

[UnaBombaH]

I'm gonna get Dunn online and we're both gonna read una and see if we wanna bank the game on him but I'm happily voting EP regardless and since I'm still in the lynch pool we'll have a chance at a doc save

Go ahead and do this, but even after that, I'm willing to discuss the potential outcomes with you EVEN with theoretical scum!Una if you want so..
I feel fairly confident that we auto-win after an EP-lynch today.

[UnaBombaH]

My thought process wasn't go for who I think the nk would be because the nk can be anyone
NKA is shit
I just went for

my stongest tr I asked myself "who do I want in lylo/alive the next day"
and picked you

Uh-huh...

Now, don't get me wrong - I'm flattered.
But at the same time, this might be the MOST suspicious thing you have said so far..

[UnaBombaH]

I mean, flattery doesn't work with me....baka!

[UnaBombaH]

Maria, I def. don't want to sound annoying, but I'm drowning in paranoia with you.
(That Hannibal Lecter-banner doesn't help. )

I've gone from scumreading to townreading you and back like six times this game.
And when I finally thought that Doc-claim locks you as town, your results don't sound "right".
Like, I can understand that line of reasoning might make sense from your PoV, but I find it hard to place my trust in you fully.

[UnaBombaH]

Ranmaru, theres no need to worry about me misjudging in LyLo.
If Maria promises to heal you 100%, you will be there 100%.
Or she is scum.
So no chance for me to mess up the LyLo.!

No, this still holds IMO. (It only fails if EP by some miracle is town and we got hustled by chamber/Maria)
We lynch EP today.
With a scumflip we go to one more night.

Then Maria just needs to promise to heal Ranmaru 100% of the time.

That way we can make sure that scum either kills me (conf. towning Ranmaru to everyone, although they sort of already were), or kills Maria (confirming scum!chamber and locking the game).

Ranmaru dying tonight means scum!Maria is a lock.

Me dying means that scum!Maria is still a possibility, but even then it's Ranmaru making the choice, not me.
Neither scenario involves a risk of me melting in LyLo, which is always my main concern, so I think we will win this anyway.

[UnaBombaH]

To complete the Fantastic Four - VOTE: Errantparabola

[UnaBombaH]

Assuming I die

, I don't want to bias you, Ranmaru, in chamber/Maria - I put my faith in you. You become conf.town with my death, so you will have the hammer. Use it wisely.

Assuming Maria dies

, I know chamber is scum from my PoV, and I trust, yet again, in you Ranmaru to make the right choice.

Assuming Ranmaru dies

, I need chamber to realize that Maria is conf.scum. - town!Maria has no reason not to save Ranmaru.

Assuming chamber dies

, I know Maria is scum from my PoV, and I trust, yet once more, in you Ranmaru to make the right choice.

[UnaBombaH]

^^the above makes me feel glad I checked Ranmaru.

[UnaBombaH]

Mhm.
According to the timer above, we had our night accelerated..?
And even then no one died?

Maria wanna confirm who was your target for tonight?

[UnaBombaH]

even if the nk points to una scum we need to nl regardless

I think we are at a point where the NK doesn't point to anyone IMO.
Just because we are at a point where anything and everything is wifom, regarding the NKA, at least.

I feel like I wanna hear chambers and Marias opinions on WHY there was no kill.
I was thinking about this extensively during the night, AND I ran my thoughts through my buddy too.
He seemed to agree.

[UnaBombaH]

Did chamber invite Maria to a house party, btw?

[UnaBombaH]

and I said idgaf you don't get how this works clearly

Tell us then.

[UnaBombaH]

OK, very much interested to hear what you asked.

[UnaBombaH]

I mean, I hope you get an answer soon, I was just gonna go to sleep.

[UnaBombaH]

I'd love to be able to separate Marias and chambers "stories" right now.
Like, do a separate interrogation and see who has a better story!

[UnaBombaH]

I do have a firm belief on why there was no kill, but I want to def. here chambers version for it too.
And I'm not sure if Maria actually answered properly yet, but I guess she won't get any more specific anyway.

[UnaBombaH]

Good question actually.
The difference between no-killing and trying to force a kill on a target Town tries to absolutely keep safe...interesting.

[UnaBombaH]

What value is there in a nl from scum!chambers pov Maria?

Is this a scumslip? (/-claim)

[UnaBombaH]

I had no reason to not just kill Una if I was mafia.

Hmmm, I actually disagree here.

[UnaBombaH]

What value is there in a nl from scum!chambers pov Maria?

Is this a scumslip? (/-claim)

In what way is this a slip? I was asking her to justify her stance. What element don't you understand that would make it into a slip?

I'm obviously joking, but that post can be turned into "if I were scum, I wouldn't want to no-lynch" and you don't want to no-lynch..

[UnaBombaH]

Well, like said, I suck at these breaking points.
I will shamelessly sheep Ranmaru, and blame him if we miss..!

[UnaBombaH]

I s2g if una is scum I'm never playing with ram again

Wait what?
Hoe does this even work?

[UnaBombaH]

Hell I'd be voting you if you didn't case me.

...and what does this even mean?

[UnaBombaH]

Hell, I'll say it then - I think no-kill straight up implicates Ranmaru over Maria.
Happy? Unhappy?

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: Una
Slip

or just writing wrong name?

[UnaBombaH]

You are not seirous are you? -_-

[UnaBombaH]

IT'S 01:25 IN HERE.
I'VE BEEN SIPPING BEER AND GAMBLING AFTER A WORK DAY.
GIVE ME A REST.

[UnaBombaH]

Piss off Maria

[UnaBombaH]

Did you write the wrong name? I thought you were implying a godfather and I had to look up whether they were even normal.

Are you even trying?

[UnaBombaH]

I mean, I'm willing to no lynch if Ranmaru accepts, but I do not see myself voting for anyone except chamber anyway..

[UnaBombaH]

..or do you think I mean to say lynch Ranmaru if chamber says so? :shifty :

[UnaBombaH]

scum!Marias PoV:

Kill chamber

-> not easy, because Una has an inno, and Ranmaru will

likely

believe Una over Maria at that point

Kill Ranmaru

-> no go, because Una and chamber will 100% lynch her there

no-kill

-> a chance, but will not actually "achieve" anything, and the last chance is likely the best

kill Una

-> seems like the optimal choice for her, as it absolutely confirms town!Ranmaru, and Ran has been after chamber most of the game

Marias endgame:

get chamber lynched 100% of the time, so either no-kill or kill Una, depends on her confidence with Ranmaru alone at the hammer.

[UnaBombaH]

scum!chambers PoV:

Kill Maria

-> not likely, because Una has an inno, and Ranmaru already has a case for scum!chamber

Kill Ranmaru

-> would be optimal, but can't happen because Maria saves him always (solid )

no-kill

-> a chance, but will not achieve anything if Maria townreads Ranmaru, and Ranmaru doesn't flipflop their read on chamber.

(Una->Ranmaru is still the problem)

kill Una

-> a chance, but leads to Ranmaru being confirmed and yet again, Ranmaru has a case for scum!chamber

[UnaBombaH]

Maybe my perspective is warped by talking with ranmaru in the PT, but I don't think me/mariaR/ranmaru is some auto town loss. I think it's 50:50 at worst, and actually sided towards maria getting lynched by some amount. Shrug.

I can feel someone walking over my grave..

[UnaBombaH]

I think Occams here says that chamber is the scum, but maybe I'm just tired.

[UnaBombaH]

Scum tried to kill Ram I know this from my pov

I was wondering this - if they actually TRY to kill every night, does it still count as towards "no-kill" if there's a Doc that makes a save?

[UnaBombaH]

And scum lose after those phases? Not a tie, but actually a scum-loss?

[UnaBombaH]

...because if so, then you just gotta not try and be a hero with your saves.
Town!Maria still has no reason to let Ranmaru die.
So after five( ) night-phases of theoretical no-kill, we either win, or scum has to actually switch their target?

[UnaBombaH]

And I'm also pretty sure he's wrong about what my preference would be in terms of end game (I'm pretty sure I prefer ranmaru/mariaR/me to a triplet that includes him).

Guess I can't argue with you on who you'd want in a LyLo with you.
I think you might be better equipped to answer that.

[UnaBombaH]

I guess this won't be solved within an hour or anything, so I guess I go to sleep now.
I'll maybe try to participate in the morning too, and not just be a sheepy votebot after all.

[UnaBombaH]

Morning people.
I thought about eating breakfast, maybe a pun, but Maria AtE it.

[UnaBombaH]

Heh heh.

[UnaBombaH]

I think things have been said, that will bite us in the ass now if we no-lynch..
It's already becoming WIFOM-city, and one more night will only make it worse.

[UnaBombaH]

Morning Una.

Hola.

[UnaBombaH]

What things?

Well, repeating them doesn't actually help us here, does it?

[UnaBombaH]

I'm just saying, that trying to predict the night-kill only works on pure logic for one night.
After it has been discussed, and people have come forward with their theories on "who will be an optimal kill for scum!X or scum!Y" - it all loses it's value.
Now scum can has MORE options with a no-lynch, because they can do their "estimated sub-optimal kill", and end up gaining towncred for it.
Unless it's of course a trap.
In which case it isn't.
Which makes it just that.
You know the drill.

[UnaBombaH]

I actually slept very poorly because I was pondering over this game so much!

[UnaBombaH]

Maria can AtE her way out of ANYTHING if they put their best effort in there.
And sadly, that in itself might not even be AI when it comes to them..

@Ranmaru - What I am most interested in, is how you've come to trust chamber for town over Maria?
Is it all the hood-discussion or what?

[UnaBombaH]

Yea, read that.

[UnaBombaH]

Tell me, did you crumb your role?

I didn't outright crumb my role this game, because I knew few of the people this game, and I was certain that if there was scum amongst them, they would catch onto those. I have a habit for over the top, childish crumbing - it's a legit trait of mine. (I got caught as a Traitor in the game where Maria got that Hannibal-badge from, and my crumbs to my teammates got us a loss there. I also heavily crumbed my role in Team Mafia 2018, and I assume most already know it's a trait of mine.)
So what I tried to do instead, was to play more mature, and heavily SOFT my inno on mastina.
I tried to keep a balance where I "err on the chance of scum!mastina", but NEVER VOTE HER, and actually use my time casing Maria/Cheeky the whole day.
I wanted to get both of my shots off before being NK'd, and I honestly thought scum!Maria+Cheeky made sense, so posing a slight "suspicion" towards mastina should've kept me alive.
Her actual lynch-hammer happened between my case on Maria and the reactions to it, and the time I checked back to this game.
I'm not sure if I had outright claimed my inno on her anyway (seeing as she voted for herself after all), but I really would've made one last attempt at getting her saved from the gallows.

[UnaBombaH]

I need to go to work again, but I think I might not be busy today.
Also my vacation starts after that, so I'll prob. post more tonight, and hope we can solve this today.

[UnaBombaH]

What did that Encryptor-enabler ACTUALLY do btw?
Is your hood shutdown now, or..?

[UnaBombaH]

I also just realized that every read I had early game points to scum being Maria over Chamber..
I think her reaction to my case on her D2 just won me over.

[UnaBombaH]

What worries me though, is how easily I have been swayed yet again.
This is why I don't believe in myself in LyLos/MyLos.

[UnaBombaH]

Interesting.
I'd have to say that pretty much settles it then?
I don't think scum would only have a hoodisizer + a role that shuts it down VS a 2-shot cop and a Doc.
Or does someone disagree with that?

[UnaBombaH]

I'll say it again - I suck at setup spec.

[UnaBombaH]

Is there a world where chamber is a Scum Neighborizer-RoleBlocker or something?
Like, having a double-role.

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: MariaR - no excuse for not saving, I think?