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Post Post #11 (isolation #0) » Tue May 08, 2018 9:27 pm

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Nah. I strongly suggest Pine take me with him. I'm much more reliable.

I consider to veto against any team this phase that does not include me.
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Post Post #13 (isolation #1) » Tue May 08, 2018 9:48 pm

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No no, you misread.

@Mod, does the 'Leader' chip go down according the the numbers in the playerlist? And how many veto's before scum win a point?
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Post Post #16 (isolation #2) » Tue May 08, 2018 10:20 pm

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i'm getting it right, though? If a veto occurs, the leader position is passed down on the list. But after a certain number of veto's, there is a point for scum?

Just wanna get it straight, it's important for strategy and stuff
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Post Post #38 (isolation #3) » Thu May 10, 2018 8:27 pm

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Congrats, Pine!

I want to hurt Buj as well.
is there anyone NOT willing to go on mission 1? what for?
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Post Post #40 (isolation #4) » Thu May 10, 2018 10:31 pm

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In post 39, the worst wrote:fuuuu didn't realise this was up

pine lockscum
lololol

srs about Pine?
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Post Post #99 (isolation #5) » Sun May 13, 2018 7:52 pm

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I would have veto's because of Bujaber
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Post Post #102 (isolation #6) » Sun May 13, 2018 8:20 pm

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Hurt: Pine/Buj


It's funny how nobody liked this team and still ended up being chosen AND approved
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Post Post #106 (isolation #7) » Sun May 13, 2018 8:56 pm

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In post 105, the worst wrote:I maintain my general position on d1, there's so little to work with all we can do is sitting around hurling turds at each others' playstyles.
The thing is that there are a few turds that are more smelly then others right now. I'm looking at Buj/Pine/the worst. Very smelly indeed.
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Post Post #109 (isolation #8) » Sun May 13, 2018 9:53 pm

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rukiddingmerightnow?

Buj is practicly conf scum, only not mechanically conf. And Pine still takes him on the mission.
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Post Post #111 (isolation #9) » Sun May 13, 2018 9:59 pm

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In post 60, BuJaber wrote:Point is I don't want both scum on the same mission
In post 62, the worst wrote:AHEM
SCUSE U BUJ

EXPLAIN WHY THIS MISSION
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fails
In post 75, Pine wrote:
Send Team: Pine + BuJaber


Ah fuck it. Setup spec is fine.
In post 81, the worst wrote:HEAL: pine, buj
I reassess my previous post calling buj confscum. Either buj OR Pine is 100% scum here. I put the worst as stinky because he agreed with the mission so easily.

-Why would town Buj not want double scum on mission? It either passes (win), or it fails (boo, but info, yeaj), or it could give the mother of all jackpost double fail (gg). This is prefered to having 1 spy on mission.

-the worst correctly calls Buj out on that, but continues to agree with scummission: FOS

-Scum!Pine would not want double scum on mission, so he picks a town (this confirms Buj as town)
-Scum!Buj would not want double scum on mission, so he agrees this mission (this confirms Pine as town)
-Scumteam of Pine and Buj would not be setting up a double scum mission 1 because it can end VERY badly with little to gain.

Hence, one of Pine and Buj is scum if only by odds alone.
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Post Post #112 (isolation #10) » Sun May 13, 2018 10:01 pm

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That leaves 1 scum in:

-thebrie
-TGP
-the worst

This is to be sorted later. Gut reads are possible, but unusefull at this point.
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Post Post #114 (isolation #11) » Sun May 13, 2018 10:28 pm

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In post 25, Pine wrote:Yeah definitely HURT: BuJaber

Waaaaaay too eager, and WIFOMy there
In post 67, Pine wrote:Frankly I'm not a fan of anyone who is overly eager rn. Sends the wrong signals

Honestly tw I almost sab'd the first mission last time. A point is a point, and trying to frame Eddie/Ali would have been an interesting strat.

I agree that it's usually not a good idea to sab first, but I think I could pull it off as scum
In post 75, Pine wrote:
Send Team: Pine + BuJaber


Ah fuck it. Setup spec is fine.
And what exactly (insert pirate accent:) ARRRRE your reasons here, Mr. Pine, for picking Buj?
I have quoted above for your convenience.

Sincerely yours,
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Post Post #117 (isolation #12) » Sun May 13, 2018 10:51 pm

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In post 116, Pine wrote:Because Iconeum is frantically trying to signal its partner.
Lol, nice try. I'm not on the mission, so IF I'm scum there is no reason for me to signal anything. The mission will fail or pass and then whatever. If it succeeds then WIFOM, if it fails we go crazy on who on the team is scum.

Only time scum would need to signal is if both are on the team.
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Post Post #122 (isolation #13) » Sun May 13, 2018 11:38 pm

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@Buj, how do you feel about Pine choosing you for the mission after suspecting you like that?
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Post Post #126 (isolation #14) » Mon May 14, 2018 12:18 am

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In post 125, BuJaber wrote:Pine's town does suggest that he got over his first impression of me amd changed his mind.
TW in theory shouldn't trust either of us. He sounds like he's going with the flow.
There's no material on which to change one's mind in that timespan, however. If this was a game of mafia, and over a period of time, reads can change believeably. This feels very forced and unnatural.

Leaning more on scum!pine then scum!buj right now.

Pine/the worst maybe as a team.

Need (a lot) more from brie and TGP.


I'm ready for mission result though.
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Post Post #129 (isolation #15) » Mon May 14, 2018 12:35 am

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@thebrie you are making my case WHY one HAS to be scum here. It doesn't make sense for a town!pine to pick a scummy!looking!town!buj, hence he is scum. You could argue strategy that you wanna find scum, but it doesn't work like that because the rest wouldn't know which one sabotaged.

On further thought, this means that Pine is Always scum over Buj here, by his pick alone. It ONLY makes senses coming from a sccum!pine. If true, it clears Bujaber. That gamesolving post by thebrie is town as fuck.

Mission 2 team: iconeum, thebrie, bujaber

Scumteam: Pine/the worst(TGP)

I know I'm not proved to you guys, so this is from my PoV.
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Post Post #141 (isolation #16) » Mon May 14, 2018 2:02 am

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That's ok. We lost a potential town duck to the menacing dark tree. Still plenty of town left unpocketed
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Post Post #142 (isolation #17) » Mon May 14, 2018 2:29 am

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In post 127, TheBrie wrote:
In post 111, Iconeum wrote: I reassess my previous post calling buj confscum. Either buj OR Pine is 100% scum here. I put the worst as stinky because he agreed with the mission so easily.

-Why would town Buj not want double scum on mission? It either passes (win), or it fails (boo, but info, yeaj), or it could give the mother of all jackpost double fail (gg). This is preferred to having 1 spy on mission.

-the worst correctly calls Buj out on that, but continues to agree with scummission: FOS

-Scum!Pine would not want double scum on mission, so he picks a town (this confirms Buj as town)
-Scum!Buj would not want double scum on mission, so he agrees this mission (this confirms Pine as town)
-Scumteam of Pine and Buj would not be setting up a double scum mission 1 because it can end VERY badly with little to gain.

Hence, one of Pine and Buj is scum if only by odds alone.
I see how this shows that they wouldn't both be scum, but not why one has to be. It doesn't seem to follow logically here.

Or is it that Buj seems scum because of the comment about not wanting double scum (reasonable read I suppose), but it's also possible that Pine is scum and picked a scummy looking townie to throw us off the track of who failed the mission?
That still doesn't make complete sense however. Why would town!Pine pick a scummy looking player? Unless he thinks a mission being failed is a fair price for finding scum, he's got to think Buj is town.
You can argue from one player being scum to the other being town. You can even reason scum!Pine from Town!Buj. But you can't reason Scum!Buj from Town!pine.
Everyone read this again, and make your conclusions.

--->Pine is teamleader. Pine is either town or scum.

----->Town Pine chooses a scumread player to take on the mission. Why? Nobody knows, and Pine didn't explain. This is just very unlikely.

--------->Scum Pine chooses a scumread player to take on the mission. Why? So he can potentially blame the 'obvscum' Bujaber for the mission fail.

Pine was even setting up the first mission fail in one of his earlier posts.
Really having trouble with everyone's ease of acceptance of this mission, though I don't blame anyone (it's mission 1 and information and stuff).
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Post Post #145 (isolation #18) » Mon May 14, 2018 3:19 am

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Why do you think a scum!Pine would chose his scumpartner on the mission? It's too risky.
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Post Post #173 (isolation #19) » Tue May 15, 2018 7:06 pm

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In post 149, Pine wrote:Shit

I was really hoping BuJaber would sabotage

Guess all that signaling worked, eh Iconeum?

Town doesn't call THAT much attention to a gambit.
This feels so faked.
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Post Post #174 (isolation #20) » Tue May 15, 2018 7:08 pm

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the worst has only 1 viable option I think (from his PoV), and that is Buj/Pine/the worst.

I will say I will endorse this team, or the team of Buj/Pine/Iconeum
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Post Post #179 (isolation #21) » Tue May 15, 2018 8:45 pm

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In post 176, BuJaber wrote:I'm considering TW/Pine/TGP. I think it contains both scum.
Looks like we are on the same page.

Another option for this to work is choosing a team outside of them: Buj/Icon/Brie
A successfull mission would basicly win the game.
A fail means we reconsider the first trio, and then it's likely only Pine as scum together with Brie.
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Post Post #180 (isolation #22) » Tue May 15, 2018 8:46 pm

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The obvious problem with the second team is that we may not get a majority for it
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Post Post #181 (isolation #23) » Tue May 15, 2018 8:49 pm

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In post 175, BuJaber wrote:Icon what's your read on brie.. she's an anomaly to me.
Town based on
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Post Post #184 (isolation #24) » Tue May 15, 2018 10:15 pm

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explain plz
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Post Post #238 (isolation #25) » Thu May 17, 2018 7:38 pm

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I did not expect this choice from the duckling at all...

First I was like OMFG WHYYYY R U NOT PICKING IN BU OR PINE

Then I was like wait, I see what you wanna do here...

APPROVE MISSION
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Post Post #250 (isolation #26) » Fri May 18, 2018 8:44 pm

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I approved the team already?
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Post Post #264 (isolation #27) » Sat May 19, 2018 9:36 pm

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heal current team


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Post Post #301 (isolation #28) » Tue May 22, 2018 8:19 pm

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@mod, I definitely think the # of sabotages in a mission should be public information. It's a very important mechanic.


Second, mistakes are being made here.
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Post Post #302 (isolation #29) » Tue May 22, 2018 8:21 pm

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Nvm, just checked the OP again. There's no mission requiring double sabotage... That makes the importance of that mechanic much less.
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Post Post #303 (isolation #30) » Tue May 22, 2018 8:21 pm

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@the worst, how come you changed your mind and are approving a mission from TGP? AND WITH PINE IN IT?
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Post Post #309 (isolation #31) » Tue May 22, 2018 11:00 pm

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Yeah upon further reflexion it should Always be public knowledge. Otherwise 2 scum on a mission don't need to coordinate a single fail.
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Post Post #316 (isolation #32) » Wed May 23, 2018 12:06 am

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In post 315, the worst wrote:hmm why lockscum tgp and leanscum pine?
While this is a good question, I still like bujaber's reads. They're both in the scumpile.

And you agreed a team containing BOTH of them. Ur a cheeky duck this game.
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Post Post #319 (isolation #33) » Wed May 23, 2018 12:17 am

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1 or 0 scum in Buj/Pine

Brie town for his view and remark D1 on what I posted about this team
i'm town

1 or 2 scum in the worst/TGP

It's as simple as this really
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Post Post #320 (isolation #34) » Wed May 23, 2018 12:18 am

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So my 4 player mission at this time would be

Myself/Brie/Buj/the worst

In Buj/the worst can hide scum, but that is my best assessment out of this game for the entire town bloc
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Post Post #321 (isolation #35) » Wed May 23, 2018 12:24 am

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Further delving:

Seriously doubt it's 2 scum in the worst/TGP and after rereading TGP I read him more town. His agreeing with mission 1 was pretty good, would like to hear more from him.

I'm 50/50 in TGP/worst
If TGP is scum, then it's with Pine.

That makes my scumteam either Pine/TGP OR Buj/the worst

Pine/TGP feels about right though
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Post Post #322 (isolation #36) » Wed May 23, 2018 12:44 am

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Also, because the previous team of the worst/TGP/Iconeum failed

and the worst/TGP are in the team now that is being APPROVED

ya'll think I'm the scum on the team. Except bujaber, who thinks not.
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Post Post #323 (isolation #37) » Wed May 23, 2018 12:44 am

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Oh right, that mission failed. So 100% at least 1 scum in TGP/the worst
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Post Post #327 (isolation #38) » Wed May 23, 2018 1:08 am

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I doubt it, the mission will probably go through. But it got passed in like 1 rl day, without discussion.
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Post Post #331 (isolation #39) » Wed May 23, 2018 1:29 am

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There's a 99% chance of mission failure here, based on the previous mission. 1% it passes to incriminate me, but that's just not worth it for scum.
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Post Post #362 (isolation #40) » Thu May 24, 2018 8:00 pm

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In post 351, the worst wrote:It's TGP + {Buj, Pine}
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My quick thoughts here:

I'm MOST LIKELY going with myself/brie/bujaber here. If Buj is scum, then gg wp.

The last mission will include the worst.

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Post Post #363 (isolation #41) » Thu May 24, 2018 8:03 pm

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Both scum in the worst/Pine/TGP.

With 100% 1 in TGP/the worst.

Feeling either TGP/the worst as a team, OR TGP/Pine.

This is solved by choosing my team of Buj, Ico, Brie now (and Pine will accept this I think), and we can add the worst/MAAAYYYBE Pine in last mission.

If we get there
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Post Post #384 (isolation #42) » Fri May 25, 2018 1:38 am

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Going against my team is basicly a scumclaim right now :)
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Post Post #385 (isolation #43) » Fri May 25, 2018 1:39 am

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Nominate: Iconeum/Buj/Brie
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Post Post #386 (isolation #44) » Fri May 25, 2018 1:40 am

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Pine needs to explain his Bujaber scumread.

Buj has not been on any of the missions that were sabotaged, right?
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Post Post #389 (isolation #45) » Fri May 25, 2018 2:24 am

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talk to me
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Post Post #390 (isolation #46) » Fri May 25, 2018 2:25 am

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Buj/Pine?
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Post Post #391 (isolation #47) » Fri May 25, 2018 2:25 am

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In post 307, the worst wrote:
In post 305, TheBrie wrote:
In post 304, the worst wrote:
In post 303, Iconeum wrote:@the worst, how come you changed your mind and are approving a mission from TGP? AND WITH PINE IN IT?
your message has been received and we will endeavour to respond within 10-15 business days.
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I'm not interested in answering that this phase
I thought my intentions were clear >:
R U interested in answering THIS phase?
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Post Post #399 (isolation #48) » Fri May 25, 2018 6:02 am

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Tgp pine scum confirmed
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Post Post #400 (isolation #49) » Fri May 25, 2018 6:11 am

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In post 396, TheGoldenParadox wrote:HURT: team
that team has both scum on it so no
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Post Post #401 (isolation #50) » Fri May 25, 2018 6:12 am

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Hope this still gets approved
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Post Post #415 (isolation #51) » Sun May 27, 2018 6:35 pm

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HEAL: team
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Post Post #416 (isolation #52) » Sun May 27, 2018 9:42 pm

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So it's currently 3 in favor, 2 against:

Icon, Brie, Buj are in favor
TGP, Pine are against. The mod confirmed votes are fixed, so Pine's healing after hurting probably doesn't count. Otherwise team is approved.

This leaves the fate of this mission in the hands of the duckling, who is the only one not currently voting...
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Post Post #419 (isolation #53) » Mon May 28, 2018 1:26 am

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In post 413, Pine wrote:Yeah if there were scum on this team, it would have been hammered by now.

Notice that TW has been around and active, but has failed to approve.

{the worst, TGP}

Final answer. My apologies to BuJ.

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I just feel this is a last ditch effort in trying to get into the team on the final mission, using the doubt that remains in town between Pine and the worst.

TGP is pretty much lockscum at this point, failing in providing ANY kind of substance in his reads and a laughable HURT scumreading Brie.
If we get to a last mission, Buj should PROBABLY pick worst over Pine.

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Post Post #435 (isolation #54) » Mon May 28, 2018 5:01 pm

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Holy sweet duckling balls
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Post Post #436 (isolation #55) » Mon May 28, 2018 5:02 pm

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The perfect example of how important votes are. Tgp denying final mission made me feel so good
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Post Post #437 (isolation #56) » Mon May 28, 2018 5:02 pm

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Well played both scum
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Post Post #445 (isolation #57) » Mon May 28, 2018 6:33 pm

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Still though. Entire town embraced the brie as one of their own.
TGP played his part well, being in 2 sabotages and confusing town later with the right votes.

And thanks to Brass for hosting, Always appreciate it!
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Post Post #450 (isolation #58) » Mon May 28, 2018 8:18 pm

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It went south in mission 2 by not picking any of mission 1. It denies critical information. We still zero'd on TGP, but that was after 2 sabotages already. As scum, I'd trade 1 scum for 2 sabotage any game.

I just took Brie for conftown after his initial reasoning with me... And was scumreading in Pine because mission 1 shenanigans. I hesitated in the read only when he switched votes and approved that final mission.

This game in this format isn't particularly well suited for forumplay. Feels like something is missing. Maybe we simply played awfully mechanically wise.
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Post Post #452 (isolation #59) » Mon May 28, 2018 8:52 pm

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That's not how it works in rl, though?

Votes aren't secret, they just happen at the same time. You'd have to PM the mod your vote, and the mod would have to publish a list with the votes openly.
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Post Post #453 (isolation #60) » Mon May 28, 2018 8:55 pm

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Tbh, I like the Spyfall games more then this in forum.

But then again, I had much fun this game :)
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