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Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Sat May 05, 2018 7:12 pm

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Vote: UnaBombaH
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Post Post #23 (isolation #1) » Sat May 05, 2018 7:46 pm

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In post 17, CheekyTeeky wrote:Oh wait I'm playing this one XD
Are you joking here? How did you confuse the games?
In post 20, CheekyTeeky wrote:Alisae is also wolfy.
Why is that?
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Post Post #25 (isolation #2) » Sat May 05, 2018 7:49 pm

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Please explain, Chamber.
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Post Post #27 (isolation #3) » Sat May 05, 2018 7:52 pm

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I don't feel what you are feeling on Alisae at the moment. Can you quote which post feels off to you?
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Post Post #33 (isolation #4) » Sat May 05, 2018 7:55 pm

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In post 28, chamber wrote:Your post was pretty bad?
Well please, elaborate.
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Post Post #36 (isolation #5) » Sat May 05, 2018 8:04 pm

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In post 31, CheekyTeeky wrote:All of them.
Jeepers you're awkward lol but I don't know why scum would discourage scum reads on players unless they're trying to pocket which you'd also be doing a bad job of
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What is the purpose of you saying this? What is your actual conclusion from this?
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Post Post #38 (isolation #6) » Sat May 05, 2018 8:07 pm

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In post 35, chamber wrote:The questions are easy to ask but what do you expect them to achieve? It seemed like generating content with no actual thought behind it.
To generate discussion, and to clarify Cheeky's stance on Alisae. I also wanted to know why Cheeky would say the 'Oh wait I'm playing this one' if we are observant of the ego posts.
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Post Post #40 (isolation #7) » Sat May 05, 2018 8:09 pm

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In post 37, CheekyTeeky wrote: Oh I finally get why that annoys people.

My conclusion is that you're awkward but it seems NAI?
Thank you. Do you generally make statements like that (and your #19) regardless of alignment? (Without conclusion)
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Post Post #43 (isolation #8) » Sat May 05, 2018 8:13 pm

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It didn't help me, and I'm taking it as null for now. It was a fair response.

P-edit: I mean, the 'I don't get the utility of this' part.
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Post Post #54 (isolation #9) » Sat May 05, 2018 8:23 pm

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In post 39, chamber wrote:I mean, reiterating that you asked level 0 questions doesn't really change anything? Of course that's what they meant. They still don't achieve anything.
Right now, I'm asking questions because I don't find anything suspicious as of yet. So I ask questions to create discussion. Simple as that. Otherwise, I would have to simply wait for someone else to trip up, and I don't expect scum will simply give me that opportunity without myself first asking questions and talking.
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Post Post #58 (isolation #10) » Sat May 05, 2018 8:27 pm

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Fair enough. I'll let the thread breathe. I'll be back later.
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Post Post #79 (isolation #11) » Sun May 06, 2018 10:32 am

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Can second picks state if they had chosen to speed up the deadline? If so, explain why. If not, explain why not. Then explain why you chose the games you are now in.

MariaR
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Post Post #80 (isolation #12) » Sun May 06, 2018 10:34 am

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In post 74, mastina wrote:Ranmaru, versus singersigner; Ranmaru takes scum 100% of the time over singer.
I actually laughed at this. What makes you think I would pick scum over Singer? Do you know what my alignment preference is?
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Post Post #83 (isolation #13) » Sun May 06, 2018 10:39 am

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In post 78, mastina wrote:
In post 9, Ranmaru wrote:
Vote: UnaBombaH
In all seriousness, still actually think this slot has >random chances of having drawn scum. Not because of distribution (since he couldn't have known), but just from this entrance, so.
That vote was intentional and would more likely come from town me then scum me.
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Post Post #88 (isolation #14) » Sun May 06, 2018 10:44 am

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Mastina
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Post Post #92 (isolation #15) » Sun May 06, 2018 10:47 am

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Lycanfire, you seem to be missing that snark and edginess that you had in White Flag. Can you explain why? Also, talk to me about the Alisae wagon.
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Post Post #94 (isolation #16) » Sun May 06, 2018 10:48 am

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Right now, I never understood the Alisae wagon, and still don't. Was the wagon based on Alisae meta? This goes to Lycanfire and Errant.
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Post Post #97 (isolation #17) » Sun May 06, 2018 10:52 am

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Lycanfire, can you answer me?
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Post Post #104 (isolation #18) » Sun May 06, 2018 10:59 am

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Mastina, would scumstina do a 'lol i didn't mean to hammer' gambit as scum? Has this happened before as town mastina?
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Post Post #108 (isolation #19) » Sun May 06, 2018 11:07 am

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If Alisae flips town, I'd consider two scum within [Mastina, MariaR, Lycanfire]. If Alisae flips scum, I'd consider one of [Mastina, MariaR].
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Post Post #109 (isolation #20) » Sun May 06, 2018 11:08 am

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Taking out trash.
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Post Post #116 (isolation #21) » Sun May 06, 2018 11:26 am

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Mastina, comment on the Alisae wagon as best you can.
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Post Post #128 (isolation #22) » Tue May 08, 2018 12:10 pm

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Spoiler: Notes
#19 Cheeky's 'Not sure what the utility of this is' quip is suspicious as it parrot's Chamber's initial questioning of Alisae, and shades Alisae at the same time.

#24 is null. I'll need actual opinions before verifying what Chamber was doing here, but I have an idea. I'd want him to explain what he was doing and give out his reads in the same post before explaining what I think he was doing here.

#31 Cheeky's post here is also in line with her misrep in her #19. Mentions that I am awkward, without really posting a conclusion. Another shade.

#35 Seems like a fair assessment coming from someone who is unfamiliar with my meta. I've already explained why I do this, though, and I find this post to be null.

#37 Note that Cheeky avoided answering the 'What is the purpose of you saying this' part of my question.

#44 Una's entrance is null to me, joke.


#70 Is null, joke.
#71 Null, but not sure what it is without further explanation.

#72 is slightly suspicious due to voting Alisae after Errant and not before him.
#74 is suspicious because Mastina isn't engaged in game, yet happens to hammer Alisae without any awareness of the thread before her post, and MariaR's L-1 statement. If it were an accidental, it would be a massive coincidence that: Mastina hammer's Alisae, a scumhunter she respects, while cutting off discussion and chances for people to gain reads on the most important day. From a scum perspective, trading her own livelyhood, while nabbing Alisae and implicating a wide pool of players, is win win for her when you consider she may actually gambit as scum, if you note Mafia Inventions from Team Mafia.

#76 is suspicious because Cheeky finds Ali suspicious, yet never votes him, and says she was waiting for a reaction to L-1. It is also suspicious that Cheeky directs invest
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Post Post #129 (isolation #23) » Tue May 08, 2018 12:11 pm

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TOWN [ Ranmaru] NULL [Errant > Unah > Chamber > MariaR ] [Cheeky > Mastina] SCUM

Today, we will be lynching Mastina. She is scum, and has effectively traded a D1 mislynch to hurt the effectiveness of town, and she has. Now we have to find her buddy when there is little information to implicate a buddy to her strongly. I want townies to step up and town up as soon as possible so we can salvage the damage done by Mastina. In my mind right now, Cheeky is her most likely scum buddy.
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Post Post #130 (isolation #24) » Tue May 08, 2018 12:11 pm

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Vote: Mastina


Keep her at L-2 so that she may not self hammer.
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Post Post #132 (isolation #25) » Tue May 08, 2018 12:20 pm

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Tell me more, Chamber.
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Post Post #134 (isolation #26) » Tue May 08, 2018 12:33 pm

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Post Post #140 (isolation #27) » Tue May 08, 2018 12:45 pm

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In post 135, chamber wrote:Does anyone in this game really respect lycans town game? The kill seems odd to me. The only reasons I can see for it are out of general respect (his only read seemed wrong as heck) or because he seemed like one of the only voices in opposition of a mastina lynch. Even then, I think that was more fueled by his scum read of alisae, hard to say if it would have stood up.
I think he was alright in White Flag. He was correct on CES, wrong on a few others. He did have Marquis as a third buddy.
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Post Post #142 (isolation #28) » Tue May 08, 2018 1:00 pm

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Cheeky
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1. Compare that to my entrance in Civ Mafia 5 that just finished, then come back to me.
2. Wifom. (My opinion is either 1 off and one on, or both on) I didn't feel the same thing as you, which is why you are suspect. Who else was pinged by Ali?
3. You keep using that buzz word, forced. Tell me more.
4. Yes, we have little to no information because of Mastina's hammer, obviously we must try to evaluate and go from there with what little we have to salvage it.
5. Why wait?
6. I'm not lynching you today. I'm lynching Mastina today. What's your read on there?

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That's all I'll say there. (Also, people need to try more, rather then try less)
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Post Post #146 (isolation #29) » Tue May 08, 2018 1:14 pm

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Hi Maria. Nice playing with you again. Can you tell me why you voted after Errant posted and not before? I have an idea why, but I want to hear you explain. Also, talk to me about Cheeky.
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Post Post #157 (isolation #30) » Tue May 08, 2018 3:59 pm

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In post 155, Errantparabola wrote:Here's a question for you -- what is your perception of your entrances in general? I think it's not a stretch to call yours this game semi-objectively weak.
My perception is that I agree they haven't been strong objectively lately. Look at A50's post describing my entrance in Civ 5: #301 Basically I didn't have any strong leads at the time, and only felt like questioning. Also, I've been replacing into games a lot more lately so I have been thinking I might also be rusty with just entering games now. Yet as you can see I'm not worried about it because I know I'm town and eventually people will be able to read me easily as the game progresses.
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Post Post #159 (isolation #31) » Tue May 08, 2018 4:03 pm

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In post 155, Errantparabola wrote: I think it's ridiculous to think that scum would try to pull that move, it's insanely high risk for relatively low reward.
I think mastina is town but I hate having to bet the game on it.
Usually, yes. It shoots themselves in the foot, I wouldn't consider it if it was anyone
besides
Mastina
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Post Post #167 (isolation #32) » Tue May 08, 2018 5:07 pm

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Chamber, can you explain your early game play? Also, can you give any opinions on players at the moment?
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Post Post #169 (isolation #33) » Tue May 08, 2018 5:17 pm

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Chamber is scum.
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Post Post #170 (isolation #34) » Tue May 08, 2018 5:18 pm

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Chamber has recruited me into his neighborhood, for a role related reason. He states he still scumreads me, and doesn't intend to do anything with it. Take that as you will.
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Post Post #171 (isolation #35) » Tue May 08, 2018 5:22 pm

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I think Cheeky isn't likely to be scum anymore, and can agree with Errant's #156. Mastina is still scum, and the lynch today.
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Post Post #173 (isolation #36) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:12 pm

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It's a sentiment I'd shared as town in the recent White Flag game. Basically, if she's town, she would need to be present to show us that she's truly town, yet she's not doing that. (I missed the CES scum wagon, and my town cred went down the drain, and I felt the same way, and proposed either Me or [scumread] to go that same day, so that I wouldn't have to deal with myself being mislynched in endgame, and people would have my flip and information to go off of from there, it just so happened somehow I lived anyway and we lynched scum, and won)

Now Errant, talk to me about Chamber.
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Post Post #175 (isolation #37) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:33 pm

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Right. You're not voting me (or anyone for that matter), nor are you trying to progress reads on anyone. You said you weren't going to use the neighborhood so I don't see the point in you saying 'hey you asking me a question in thread is an attempt to shade me instead of having a discourse in the neighborhood'. We already had our discourse.
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Post Post #178 (isolation #38) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:46 pm

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You choosing me doesn't make sense. Your reasoning for choosing me is role fishing. I was already planning on outing your neighborhood today, your latest statement was the last straw. It is in town's best interest to know about this, as back in the day, Petroleum Jelly had his partner neighbor up with me, and made a case and pushed me as her partner. So, obviously, I had a major pause with this. Yeah, I wanted the exchange public. That's why I repeated the question here. I don't want you denying anything I say. I never even suggested you were scum with those questions, I asked you about your early play (which I never actually asked you about, that was a new one) and your opinions on people. So I wasn't trying to shade you with those questions. I simply don't trust your motives in recruiting me, and your answers and discussion afterward, has not helped me feel better about you.
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Post Post #180 (isolation #39) » Tue May 08, 2018 6:54 pm

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I never said you were buddying me. Yet it was weird how you weren't voting me in thread while openly stating you scumread me in the neighborhood. Asking someone if they are an investigative role is blatant rolefishing. (I gave a wifom answer) You can argue why you think what you were doing wasn't rolefishing though.
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Post Post #182 (isolation #40) » Tue May 08, 2018 7:06 pm

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You are the one disputing it and turning it into a semantics debate. Rolefishing, blatant rolefishing, or just asking for a role, I like neither of those three coming from you as a reason for recruiting me.

On previous games, I've linked a fresh game that just ended, to Errant (and mentioned to Cheeky). Go read that. Other recent games I've replaced in. (Besides The Thing Mafia, where I signed up but was scum) Why hadn't you asked me for any links?

Ok I'm going to sleep for the night.
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Post Post #202 (isolation #41) » Wed May 09, 2018 5:42 am

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Mobile. Chamber, will respond when I get home so I may paraphrase.
Una, why are you fine with
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Post Post #204 (isolation #42) » Wed May 09, 2018 5:52 am

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oh right duh
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Post Post #205 (isolation #43) » Wed May 09, 2018 5:57 am

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Mobile Reads List

Town: Ranmaru , MariaR , Cheeky , Errant
Null: Una
Scum: [Mastina > Chamber]
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Post Post #235 (isolation #44) » Wed May 09, 2018 12:22 pm

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Chamber, paraphrasing and waiting for Dino's approval so I don't mess it up. You don't mention me as a scumread recently, what changed?

MariaR, can you tell me why you tr me? I'm curious.
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Post Post #250 (isolation #45) » Wed May 09, 2018 12:31 pm

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Paraphrase
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Me: ok chamber y u recruit me?
Chamber: ur still scum but i think ur a pr role (dats y i chose u) also don't expect me to talk in here
Me: im town yes
Chamber: im town yes? so ur not claiming a role k imma keep my read of scum on you
Me: wut lol *wifoms pr answer*
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Post Post #256 (isolation #46) » Wed May 09, 2018 12:35 pm

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Mastina, so you say you are a chronological reader. Yet, why do you vote without making sure that you are on the last page, caught up? How do you prevent an accidental hammer as a chronological reader? How do you not see MariaR's L-1 post as a chronological reader?
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Post Post #259 (isolation #47) » Wed May 09, 2018 12:39 pm

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In post 249, MariaR wrote:Tell me if I have to tone it down btw I might get fired up for this game especially so I don't wanna seem too edgy :P
I actually like it that way. So keep it up if no one else is bothered by it.
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Post Post #263 (isolation #48) » Wed May 09, 2018 12:48 pm

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In post 260, chamber wrote:I do think this is another instance of a bad faith paraphrase though, not in that it isn't based in truth, but in that it makes things look as bad for me/good for you as possible.
Then please, paraphrase everything to show what I 'missed' then. This is me showing that, I did not like that you threatened me with keeping your scum read on me for not claiming my role, as if I need to claim to you so you can town read me (or null read me).
In post 254, MariaR wrote:I think if I can figure out UnaBombaH alignment I can win this game
I agree, I'd like to see more from him. Are you familiar with his meta?
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Post Post #268 (isolation #49) » Wed May 09, 2018 12:56 pm

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I just feel that, you had no good targets to choose and you had to force a scum-sided tactic to progress your win condition by choosing me and trying to guess what kind of role I am to have a
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Post Post #271 (isolation #50) » Wed May 09, 2018 12:59 pm

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I'm also curious if you were intending on reading my games, why you hadn't done so over the night to have a better idea of my slot then saying that after I accuse you of not voting me while stating you scum read me.
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Post Post #273 (isolation #51) » Wed May 09, 2018 1:01 pm

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I'm interested in hearing what he has to say, having played with him in WF.
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Post Post #275 (isolation #52) » Wed May 09, 2018 1:22 pm

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Thank you. Errant, can you talk to me on reads? I want to know where your head is at.
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Post Post #277 (isolation #53) » Wed May 09, 2018 1:38 pm

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Yes. Scum motivation would be that you aren't confident in your read on me yet stubbornly keep a scum read on me at the same time, most likely to confuse me into sharing my role with you openly, instead of helping you determine my alignment further in the neighborhood. Now tell me: Why did you expect me to help you with organizing PR actions? What do you think of my motivation for claiming the neighborhood, and my reason for doing so?
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Post Post #279 (isolation #54) » Wed May 09, 2018 1:50 pm

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chamber wrote:I didn't expect you to?
Paraphrase: 'i plan not to use this but to use certain voices to have different invest results' (If that is not accurate, please paraphrase it correctly as I may not understand it fully) Fair enough, Yet the thing is, you still used it, on me, which is why I have that concern with you. Now, can you answer the second part of my question? Have you argued that point before, with the neighbor role?
In post 213, mastina wrote:
In post 202, Ranmaru wrote:Una, why are you fine with
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Una, you still need to answer this. Mastina, I'd appreciate if you don't answer for him.
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Post Post #281 (isolation #55) » Wed May 09, 2018 1:57 pm

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I still want you to talk about what you think my motivation was for claiming the neighborhood. Also, have you and CES discussed anything today? Curious.
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Post Post #284 (isolation #56) » Wed May 09, 2018 2:05 pm

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I asked you to see what you thought of it and my mindset. Also no, I wasn't sure when
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Post Post #289 (isolation #57) » Wed May 09, 2018 5:55 pm

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Una, waiting on you. Errant too.
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Post Post #298 (isolation #58) » Wed May 09, 2018 6:59 pm

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Can you talk to me about why you are voting Maria, and how it locktowns Mastina to you, Una?
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Post Post #301 (isolation #59) » Wed May 09, 2018 8:17 pm

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If you have trouble with the words, you can quote what makes you feel Maria is scum, and why it would lock town Mastina to you. You should explain that sooner then later.
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Post Post #303 (isolation #60) » Wed May 09, 2018 8:37 pm

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I don't understand what you are waiting for. How confident are you in MariaR being scum?
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Post Post #313 (isolation #61) » Thu May 10, 2018 11:11 am

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Errant, I can see you thinking I'm a driving force, but I don't think I'm
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I just am
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we are
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Post Post #315 (isolation #62) » Thu May 10, 2018 3:39 pm

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Too late now. :p How are you reading Cheeky right now?
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Post Post #317 (isolation #63) » Thu May 10, 2018 4:18 pm

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I actually think this page solidifies my town read on Cheeky.
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Post Post #319 (isolation #64) » Thu May 10, 2018 7:35 pm

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Generally wanted to wait for Cheeky v Una to resolve to show my progression, but here you go:

I have talked to Singer about Chamber. On Chamber's argument of me, I was just weirded out by his interactions with my slot within the neighborhood and the thread. It felt like a scum sided move, and I would rather not keep it a secret any longer if he didn't find it beneficial. Singer is convinced that he is town from his reactions to my pressure and his reasoning, which seem genuine to her. Overall, I don't get a townie vibe from him, yet will trust Singer on that and put him back to null. I don't think Chamber really gives [me] much to read by, himself and I don't think he sees that. (I also find it town indicative that Maria was also indecisive about Chamber)

If you're town Chamber, you're wrong on myself and MariaR. I feel you are just focusing on our playstyles and not our intent as much. If you think my questions are awful, fine, talk to me about it in end-game and I'll be open to hearing how I can improve my questioning. I do feel that if you're town you need to work on your town cohesion a bit more. I haven't seen any town reads from you and instead you just have scumreads that you push back. I also was waiting for you to mention my wiki page, as I messed it up and the links go to places that aren't actually games I've played in. So I'd like to know which games you read besides the Civ game. I will say that my entrances in older games had not been similar to recent entrances, and I think that's due to many factors.

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#304 and #307 solidify my town read on Cheeky. I also determine that Una is scum from the previous page and this page. He lurks to the point of catching up, and then votes Maria while ignoring the Mastina issue. Upon Mastina scum, Una is scum.

TOWN [Ranmaru > Cheeky > MariaR > Errant | Chamber | Una > Mastina] SCUM
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Post Post #321 (isolation #65) » Thu May 10, 2018 7:44 pm

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That's fair then.
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Post Post #323 (isolation #66) » Thu May 10, 2018 7:55 pm

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Lame. I do want to know your opinion of Una.
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Post Post #326 (isolation #67) » Thu May 10, 2018 8:07 pm

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Chamber, can you tell me why you were having trouble following my reads, and how my #319 helped you understand it better?
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Post Post #330 (isolation #68) » Thu May 10, 2018 8:15 pm

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I'm curious as to why you neglected to mention her posts being scummy, and that my post hasn't helped you understand my reads better yet you hadn't followed up with me.
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Post Post #332 (isolation #69) » Thu May 10, 2018 8:27 pm

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That's not the answer I was hoping for. I want to know what exactly you were doing, by not interacting with Cheeky if you felt her posts were becoming increasingly scummy. It's fine that you may disagree, but I want to know why you didn't
act
on it. (Not mentioning them gave me the room to town read her posts, yes, but still want to know what you were
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Post Post #334 (isolation #70) » Thu May 10, 2018 8:43 pm

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Fair. Interested in seeing Cheeky's response. I have nothing else to say at the moment. MariaR, I'd like to talk next time you have some time.
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Post Post #348 (isolation #71) » Thu May 10, 2018 11:01 pm

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Chamber
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Post Post #351 (isolation #72) » Thu May 10, 2018 11:25 pm

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Yet dropping it doesn't simply mean that she fears anyone that would respond with a defense. Wouldn't it be more likely that if she was willing to push me at that point, that she may likely not fear pushing you either if she really wanted to? What do you think of her point that you don't give as much to read into compared to others like Una who give more? Is it a fair point?
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Post Post #353 (isolation #73) » Thu May 10, 2018 11:36 pm

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Is it a fair point as a defense for why she hasn't pushed you as much as she has pushed Una?
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Post Post #362 (isolation #74) » Fri May 11, 2018 12:14 am

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Una don't multi-post things when you could have posted that in one post.
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Post Post #365 (isolation #75) » Fri May 11, 2018 12:23 am

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I still think Mastina is today's lynch. I am willing to wait on Una so he can post on a computer, his point that he doesn't want to mobile post because he feels this is a higher level playing field, makes sense. (Also being busy)
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Post Post #372 (isolation #76) » Fri May 11, 2018 11:05 am

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Maria, I propose a town bloc of [Ranmaru, Maria, Cheeky] right now. I'm going to want you and Cheeky to bounce off reads with me. I'd also like you (and others) to hold hammer until we all hash out reads and Una posts his explanation over the weekend. Finally, I want to see Errant respond to my #313 and give an update on his thoughts as well. Going to Martial Arts, I should be available later tonight.
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Post Post #407 (isolation #77) » Fri May 11, 2018 3:49 pm

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Hello Maria. Now that Chamber isn't voting Mastina, vote Mastina with me. Chamber, what was wrong with Maria's #382, since you seem to have a problem with it?
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Post Post #410 (isolation #78) » Fri May 11, 2018 3:59 pm

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Sure, yet that post isn't you posting a reads list. That post was you agreeing to a town bloc forming.
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Post Post #413 (isolation #79) » Fri May 11, 2018 4:04 pm

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The reads she gave in #161. Maria, I think Chamber is actually scum.
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Post Post #415 (isolation #80) » Fri May 11, 2018 4:06 pm

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#318 seems more like Chamber questioning my read progression so he can proceed to talking about scum reading Cheeky, which is actually a reactive move. It feels like scum who didn't care enough to interact and ask questions to someone they feel is becoming increasingly scummy. #335 Cheeky gives a fair response, noting that Chamber doesn't give adequate content for others to read him by, yet he tells me that he feels it isn't true, and that it's more just null to him. #355 I also find it scum indicative for him to not follow up with me if he still had a concern with my read progression. In a nutshell, I think he's being unfair to Cheeky, while also neglecting to give his opinion on Una when he is pseudo defending him. That way he keeps his options open for the future with Una. Chamber's #383 seems like scum wanting to undermine a town bloc from forming, and he's doing the best he can to dismantle it and push Maria on things he's digging up.
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Post Post #417 (isolation #81) » Fri May 11, 2018 4:09 pm

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Errant
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Post Post #422 (isolation #82) » Fri May 11, 2018 4:18 pm

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Maria, what are your thoughts of my #415?
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Post Post #425 (isolation #83) » Fri May 11, 2018 4:22 pm

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Chamber gives me the same feeling CES did in White Flag mafia. He's done well in responding to pressure, but he's also being so conservative it's hard for others to have a solid bead on him and his moves feel like scum who have little option but to push in a bad way. I mean, why wait for me town read Cheeky and Form a town bloc for him to respond with pushes of his own?
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Post Post #431 (isolation #84) » Fri May 11, 2018 4:32 pm

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I can agree that the case that got him killed, wasn't convincing enough for me to lynch him, it's why I was off him. Yet, he still gave vibes that weren't as proactive and aggressive as his town games that I have looked through. I'm not sure you can be able to see what I'm saying regardless of alignment since you don't believe in town reads. I will say that he looked slightly townie, which is why I defended him at the wrong time, but he did give me small pings.
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Post Post #434 (isolation #85) » Fri May 11, 2018 4:35 pm

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Errant
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Post Post #436 (isolation #86) » Fri May 11, 2018 4:46 pm

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In post 429, Errantparabola wrote:Why did you feel the need to pre-announce your reentry into the thread?
I don't see the problem.
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Post Post #438 (isolation #87) » Fri May 11, 2018 4:49 pm

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How are your reading Chamber now, Errant? Thoughts on my #415?
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Post Post #442 (isolation #88) » Fri May 11, 2018 4:57 pm

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Alright, can you go more into how it's a valid interpretation, yet also not being the best/most likely? Also, please go into why you town read him. Why are you iffy on the town bloc?
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Post Post #443 (isolation #89) » Fri May 11, 2018 4:59 pm

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In post 432, chamber wrote:What's weird here again?
The timing. It's fine that you need time to meta dive, yet you also find a need to time it at points that I give out a town read or when I'm forming a town bloc, rather then continue meta diving.
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Post Post #452 (isolation #90) » Fri May 11, 2018 5:10 pm

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My reads have not changed. I also am waiting for Errant to respond to me.
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Post Post #456 (isolation #91) » Fri May 11, 2018 5:14 pm

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I still believe Maria and Cheeky are my top town reads. Cheeky why are you feeling Maria is scum now? Also, talk to me about Chamber and Errant.
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Post Post #458 (isolation #92) » Fri May 11, 2018 5:16 pm

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Maria, I'd like you to update me on Errant as well.
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Post Post #461 (isolation #93) » Fri May 11, 2018 5:21 pm

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You nor Cheeky are options for today, I want to mention that. I'm not going to let that happen. Yet your stance on Errant is also townie. I still do get the feeling that Errant is being an enigma, and he seems to have missed some critical posts of mine when reading me, and using static reads against me when I have re-evaluated more than once. He's also being a bit slow to respond now.
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Post Post #462 (isolation #94) » Fri May 11, 2018 5:22 pm

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My town read on EP is weakening. I do want to see solid stances from him.
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Post Post #466 (isolation #95) » Fri May 11, 2018 5:27 pm

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Cheeky, you're wrong on Maria. Maria, you're wrong on Chamber, and I don't think Cheeky is scum here. What do you think of Chamber's interactions with Cheeky?
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Post Post #468 (isolation #96) » Fri May 11, 2018 5:36 pm

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I'll tell you when he responds with his explanation. My scum read on him is weak, and I'm not confident in him actually being scum. I'm also now, more then ever, not ready to end Mastina as I want to solidify my stance on EP, and that means more talking with EP. If I had to choose one scum out of the two, I'd choose Mastina.
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Post Post #470 (isolation #97) » Fri May 11, 2018 5:52 pm

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My reads are now looking like this:

TOWN [Ranmaru > Cheeky > MariaR | Errant | Una > Chamber > Mastina] SCUM
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Post Post #472 (isolation #98) » Fri May 11, 2018 6:30 pm

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Alright, I'll drop the slow to respond bit. I also apologize, because I'm unemployed, I have much more free time so my sense of time becomes warped. I hope to see your response tomorrow, and good luck with the rest of your finals.
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Post Post #475 (isolation #99) » Fri May 11, 2018 7:44 pm

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Una, will you be at a computer today so you can respond to Cheeky in full? On EP, he had a different avatar before (Green Pokemon), and changed it twice after that. (Blue ranger to Yellow ranger) I like the power ranger avatars, though. Since you don't seem to have a good idea of EP, I want you to ISO EP, and then tell me what your read is on him.
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Post Post #478 (isolation #100) » Sat May 12, 2018 11:50 am

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Errant
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scum, that knows people would expect the choice to be less likely. My read of his play complements my thoughts on that. Earlier on you mentioned my points on him were in bad faith, I want you to tell me why you believed that. Also, now that I corrected you on my reads being static [they mostly weren't], how has that changed your read of my play? I also want a sorted reads list from you since you say you work on town hunting. Help me determine town.
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Post Post #481 (isolation #101) » Sat May 12, 2018 8:58 pm

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Chamber
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Post Post #484 (isolation #102) » Sat May 12, 2018 9:17 pm

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You are going to have to explain how it was a complete change, and why it is scum indicative for her to react in that way over town indicative. Also, how has your read progressed on me?
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Post Post #486 (isolation #103) » Sat May 12, 2018 9:40 pm

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I'm ISO'ing her and can't really find the part where she is basically telling you to screw off. (A quote or link would be helpful here) I'll let her respond to that. I'm still waiting for Una to respond, I assume he'll have a post ready tomorrow. I'll be going to sleep now.
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Post Post #490 (isolation #104) » Sun May 13, 2018 5:08 am

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Maria, I would like to see your reply. Also tell me why you are playing differently here as you admit to chamber. Errant, I want to see you place down a vote. Mobile.
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Post Post #498 (isolation #105) » Sun May 13, 2018 9:00 am

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Maria, before you vote, I want to see Dunn's thoughts and Errants vote. Una, where do you get that expectation of Maria from?
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Post Post #502 (isolation #106) » Sun May 13, 2018 10:13 am

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Unvote


I want to see where EP votes today. Does Dunn have thoughts on EP?
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Post Post #508 (isolation #107) » Sun May 13, 2018 10:25 am

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Errant, you said you were going to talk more about your disagreement with my reads, why haven't you done that? Also, why haven't you felt the need to make any pushes?
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Post Post #512 (isolation #108) » Sun May 13, 2018 10:49 am

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In post 503, MariaR wrote:we both think the team is EP and mastina atm
Talk to me about this.
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Post Post #515 (isolation #109) » Sun May 13, 2018 10:57 am

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Chamber, don't. I am going to make a final reads list for the day. Don't hammer before I do.
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Post Post #517 (isolation #110) » Sun May 13, 2018 11:01 am

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Dear lord.
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Post Post #522 (isolation #111) » Tue May 15, 2018 1:45 pm

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Hello, Maria and Chamber are scum.
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Post Post #524 (isolation #112) » Tue May 15, 2018 1:49 pm

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I actually don't get what you mean by the first part of your sentence, can you clarify?
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Post Post #526 (isolation #113) » Tue May 15, 2018 1:51 pm

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Chamber, why were you tempted into hammering Mastina, especially after I said I was going to post my reads? I thought it over and felt EP + Maria is a bit too obvious.
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Post Post #529 (isolation #114) » Tue May 15, 2018 1:58 pm

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I do think we mass claim today, it's lylo. Maria, you go first. Then you popcorn.
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Post Post #532 (isolation #115) » Tue May 15, 2018 1:58 pm

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No. You go.
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Post Post #535 (isolation #116) » Tue May 15, 2018 2:02 pm

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No, we all claim here.
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Post Post #539 (isolation #117) » Tue May 15, 2018 2:05 pm

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Reads I was going to post yesterday:

Cheeky is genuine with her scum hunting and is present. #304 and #307 are her best posts so far. Not that she's correct, but it helps me read her alignment. (Although I thought she was correct at the time, it makes sense with a town mindset) #460 and #506 are also good posts. I agree with her Una mindset, only because I don't think Una is scum anymore, his recent post seemed townie. Cheeky is my top town read.

Una's original posts seemed shaky. He came off as too scummy to be scum, in that he was drawing attention to himself when he need not say such things as mafia. His wall post on Maria seemed alright, and I feel his reaction to Maria's response was townie. I also do think him stating he was waiting to use a computer so that he would not phone post as much due to quality standards is fair because I've seen other less experienced players state the same.

Mastina I'm betting is town here. More so through Process of Elimination. I think it's likely that her hammer may have been a mistake, and I'm not liking how easy her lynch is right now.

Chamber I keep flip flopping on. I felt a lot of his actions were scum motivated, yet I do note that he has been present. His interaction between him and Maria also makes me reconsider my scum read on him. His pushes seem bad, yet he is still scumhunting in spite of my dislike of him.

Errant hasn't really been paying enough attention to actually determine alignment. I do believe he's been playing in a way to remain an enigma on purpose. #386 feels like a poke at me for the purpose of undermining my slot's credibility, rather then determining my alignment, as seen here: #437 and #477 He seems to see me as a big presence, yet also seems to forget that I have re-evaluated on more than one person, and more than once. This goes back to his #296 where he uses Chamber's argument that I was pushing him in bad faith, so that [Errant] can try to topple my credibility, instead of determine my alignment, which he doesn't really have a good hold of. Finally, his vote on Mastina seemed to be quick, lazy, and comes without any thought. #504 He also uses the justification that 'he's exhausted with the game'. That is not a good reason to vote Mastina. There's currently wagons on Mastina and Maria, he town reads Mastina but doesn't feel good about myself or Maria, yet he joins Mastina over Maria. He said he had Mastina as town, but as the day progressed, his read has become vague, so he could inch his way onto her wagon.

Maria, Maria, my dear Maria. As I said earlier, Chamber's interaction with Maria, made me reconsider my read on her. Chamber's #485 made me look at Maria again. I think Chamber's #419 is a good point. I also looked to see if she mentioned anything about League besides when she was pushed, as I have argued, and I did not see it anywhere else, which made me doubt my read on her. Also, her league game didn't go for very long, which was also odd. (Unless she's playing a mode that is shorter then 30 minutes) Her #316 is weird because I strongly town read Cheeky, but it feels like she's been trying to put Cheeky to null to try to influence my control of the game. #424 I don't get Maria's insistence that Chamber is town here, it feels like she's sticking to Una/Mastina when I don't think that is the best play or the most accurate path. I may be wrong on Chamber but I'm trying to make sure we have the most accurate read on scum, Maria isn't. This happened ever since I claimed the neighborhood. =https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic. ... 162763]#72 Finally, her 72 came after Errant's vote on Ali, and not before. That was very odd, if she sees the wagon building on Ali, naturally she would join when she gets there. It seemed a bit un-organic. #477 is the most suspicious to me because she's admitting that her play is different here, and townreads Chamber for it in hopes that he would think she's not scum for it. I think Maria scum read me for that in The Thing Mafia, where I townread her.
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Post Post #542 (isolation #118) » Tue May 15, 2018 2:17 pm

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No. Chamber, how do you feel about Maria supporting the hood claim?
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Post Post #545 (isolation #119) » Tue May 15, 2018 2:19 pm

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Lol.
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Post Post #548 (isolation #120) » Tue May 15, 2018 2:22 pm

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In post 541, MariaR wrote:
Claim
in the hood.
In post 543, MariaR wrote:don't*
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Post Post #551 (isolation #121) » Tue May 15, 2018 2:27 pm

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Maria, I want you to engage my read on you that I posted.
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Post Post #554 (isolation #122) » Tue May 15, 2018 2:29 pm

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Why do you assume 3 people?
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Post Post #557 (isolation #123) » Tue May 15, 2018 2:34 pm

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Maria: I was fine with you until you backed down on Chamber. I felt that town you would have the balls to support that with me. I also feel you aren't really trying to find actual scum (meaning, trying to make accurate plays). I almost trusted you on Una, but his response seemed good. Your defense to Chamber was suspicious too, as I mentioned.
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Post Post #559 (isolation #124) » Tue May 15, 2018 2:36 pm

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You said you would vote EP here. Why's that?
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Post Post #566 (isolation #125) » Tue May 15, 2018 2:42 pm

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No, you claim first. Then I'll claim.
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Post Post #568 (isolation #126) » Tue May 15, 2018 2:44 pm

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Indeed. I'll let Una and EP weigh in on this, then we'll decide an order.
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Post Post #571 (isolation #127) » Tue May 15, 2018 2:49 pm

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I already said I'm waiting on the rest of town in PT. I'm not backing down.
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Post Post #574 (isolation #128) » Tue May 15, 2018 2:51 pm

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It's obvious that I'm obvious town otherwise you wouldn't have had me as your top town read. You have no strong basis to have me as scum, Maria.

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Post Post #577 (isolation #129) » Tue May 15, 2018 2:53 pm

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vt
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Post Post #578 (isolation #130) » Tue May 15, 2018 2:54 pm

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Be right back
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Post Post #586 (isolation #131) » Tue May 15, 2018 3:25 pm

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Same.
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Post Post #591 (isolation #132) » Tue May 15, 2018 7:40 pm

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Interesting.
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Post Post #592 (isolation #133) » Tue May 15, 2018 7:41 pm

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No, it's Chamber / EP.
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Post Post #593 (isolation #134) » Tue May 15, 2018 7:42 pm

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EP says he is a scum specific ascetic, and says chamber is confirmed town to him. Plus he wants to lynch you.
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Post Post #595 (isolation #135) » Tue May 15, 2018 7:46 pm

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Yeah. I think Maria's play makes sense as doc, but I'd like to see her targets. That is probably why she said she was playing differently.
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Post Post #601 (isolation #136) » Tue May 15, 2018 7:55 pm

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We are not aligned. Look at Chamber's Mastina hammer. Tell me what you think of that.
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Post Post #605 (isolation #137) » Tue May 15, 2018 8:00 pm

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Tell me Una, what do you think of Maria's claim?
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Post Post #607 (isolation #138) » Tue May 15, 2018 8:01 pm

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In post 604, UnaBombaH wrote:I think the key here is to reread the interaction D2 when you outed your hood.
Will be back with that within a few days.
I outed it, I was not comfortable with it at all. His choices have been weird too. He asked me 'who would you neighborize?' I say 'Cheeky or Una, Una most likely' and then Cheeky dies, and EP is recruited.
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Post Post #611 (isolation #139) » Tue May 15, 2018 8:06 pm

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Una, if we lynch EP, he flips scum, and I die at night, who would you push tomorrow? Seriously want to know.
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Post Post #612 (isolation #140) » Tue May 15, 2018 8:08 pm

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In post 516, chamber wrote:Makes me want to hammer her more.
In post 514, chamber wrote:I'm reasonably tempted to just hammer mastina here.

Do you have a way to describe your activity pattern mastina?
I just want to re-iterate that this was scum-sided, as I was about to post a reads list, and swing the wagon. Yet Chamber hammered. He also didn't try to push Maria as hard as I thought he would.
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Post Post #615 (isolation #141) » Tue May 15, 2018 8:12 pm

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I feel like you saw my progression and questions towards EP and that helped stopped any positive momentum I would get.
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Post Post #618 (isolation #142) » Tue May 15, 2018 8:13 pm

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In post 614, chamber wrote:I think you overvalue your ability to control the direction of the game.
No I'm actually pretty humble about my own abilities. What's the purpose in you stating this?
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Post Post #622 (isolation #143) » Tue May 15, 2018 8:15 pm

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In post 617, chamber wrote:And don't those points only make sense in a me/maria paring which is impossible at this point? (From a neutral perspective I can only be scum with EP).
I could have either pushed Maria or Errant at that time since I was scumreading them at the time, safer bet to just hammer in the case I do push Errant (and I was going to).
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Post Post #623 (isolation #144) » Tue May 15, 2018 8:16 pm

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In post 620, chamber wrote:Your point is partially predicated on me fearing a direction shift brought about solely by you stating your reads. I don't think that was very likely to have happened. So it's relevant.
Your justification for Mastina dying at that point is very weak.
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Post Post #628 (isolation #145) » Tue May 15, 2018 8:21 pm

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Yes, you have read my intention correctly, Chamber. Now I'll give you a chance to convince me that I'm wrong. Why is it Maria over you?
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Post Post #629 (isolation #146) » Tue May 15, 2018 8:24 pm

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In post 627, UnaBombaH wrote:If they kill me, Ranmaru is confirmed, so Maria heals him.
Scum either has to kill me, or reveal which of the two is Town. Right?
Well, if it's possible to kill me, they will. One, I'm confirmed innocent. Two, I may have more confidence in my reads then you do so they may want you alive to make the wrong decision. You've already outed that you are out of shots, so they should have no reason to kill you.

This plan would have to require Maria being town here, but we need to figure out the alignments of Chamber/Maria before going forward.
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Post Post #632 (isolation #147) » Tue May 15, 2018 8:30 pm

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I really don't care for your insults. I wouldn't even go so far as to insult you for scum reading me all game *if you were town. That's not nice of you you know.
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Post Post #635 (isolation #148) » Tue May 15, 2018 8:37 pm

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I think it should make sense from my earlier scum read of Errant + past concerns with him, and the weird role he has, to make it more likely that he is scum between Una/EP.
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Post Post #636 (isolation #149) » Tue May 15, 2018 8:39 pm

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Una's play makes sense with his N1 target. He pushed Maria all day instead of Mastina as well.
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Post Post #639 (isolation #150) » Tue May 15, 2018 8:49 pm

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It was mostly your hammer, and your decision to recruit EP (Over Cheeky/Una). Plus your insistence that EP is the most sensible player in town, which is why you would be reliant in pushing him. Then seeing Maria claim Doc before me, made me think she's most likely legit and her defense to you makes more sense to me now as Doctor. (Saying she was playing differently here, and admitted)
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Post Post #641 (isolation #151) » Tue May 15, 2018 9:01 pm

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It did. If you are trying to find progression in between, you won't find it. I thought it over after we talked and before the thread was open. The reason I kept thinking about it was because I was really annoyed with you actually hammering when I said not to. Then I ruled out Errant at the beginning of the day because I thought maybe he really was just having trouble with reads and was more null, and thought you were trying to push Maria to distance.

Then like I said, she claimed Doc before me. Then I was beginning to lean towards her being likely town as I explained in the PT. Then EP comes in with a gut town read on me all of a sudden, wants to lynch Una, and has an ascetic role that confirms you as town to him. I town read Una, I'm beginning to town read Maria, I see Una claim, it makes sense that I'd just come to the conclusion it's Chamber + EP. The only other conclusion would be Maria + EP yet I'm liking her claim and her play makes sense with her role. I also have a big problem with your play overall and how you have used your role, and recruitment.
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Post Post #643 (isolation #152) » Tue May 15, 2018 9:16 pm

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No, but since it annoyed me so much it made me think why you did it. I have already gone into why I think you did it. Again you provide a weak explanation for why you did it so it doesn't alleviate my concerns of that.

Scum motivation for how you used your role: Manipulate a town player and possibly gain information that can benefit your scum win condition. This leads back to you insisting I was a pr read, and then I say 'no I play like a vt all the time' and you insist that you don't believe people actually do that. Ask who I would neighborize so you can kill my choice and make me look bad while you recruit EP. Lie about your belief of using your role only for 'power role coordination' or w/e instead of actually using it to gain reads. Be antagonistic with me from the start for town cred. It was a competent, high ball move.

Here's a question: Why did you ask me who I would neighborize?
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Post Post #645 (isolation #153) » Tue May 15, 2018 9:34 pm

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Your intention wouldn't be for me to scum read you for it. I just think since Alisae was quick lynched accidently, you had little information to choose a neighbor, and so you chose me, your scumread, instead of a null read. Although, in the pov of the rest of town, people town read you for it so I think it achieved the intended effect. The reason why I say I don't believe you saying I'd fail is that I haven't failed. I'm going to need you to clarify the maria oddness bit, i'm confused. Honestly I found the question manipulative with the result of EP coming in especially when I was very against it. I even gave you a choice between Cheeky / Una and told you Una was most likely but you chose outside of the two.

Why haven't you thought it through yet? Also, you asked EP a question D2 about his games. Why did you ask him, and what was your conclusion?
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Post Post #646 (isolation #154) » Tue May 15, 2018 9:36 pm

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I'm going to sleep now. I want to see Maria and EP respond to all this. Good night. I'll also re-read the thread to have a solid grasp on Maria/Chamber.
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Post Post #658 (isolation #155) » Wed May 16, 2018 8:33 am

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Why did you town read Una at that point?
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Post Post #660 (isolation #156) » Wed May 16, 2018 10:10 am

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Alright. Why did your tone change at the beginning of the day? What is your read on me now?
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Post Post #662 (isolation #157) » Wed May 16, 2018 4:08 pm

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Fair enough. Now to wait for EP.
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Post Post #672 (isolation #158) » Thu May 17, 2018 10:57 am

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That's fine with me. I want to see EP respond. Then I'm ready to end the day. You and Maria should give me your final thoughts / reads list since one of you should die in that scenario.
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Post Post #674 (isolation #159) » Thu May 17, 2018 3:04 pm

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Alright. Do you agree to protecting me and only me, Maria? Also wondering where Errant is at.
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Post Post #676 (isolation #160) » Thu May 17, 2018 3:23 pm

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I think I'll vote Errant tomorrow. That should give him enough time to post. Others, please follow suit, thank you.
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Post Post #679 (isolation #161) » Thu May 17, 2018 5:22 pm

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Alright then, thank you Errant for being a good sport. I'm sorry this was stressful to you on finals, it's why I was fine with giving you some time to post this time around.

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Post Post #690 (isolation #162) » Sat May 19, 2018 9:57 am

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Alright then. Maria, who is scum?
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Post Post #693 (isolation #163) » Sat May 19, 2018 10:08 am

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Alright. Convince me, give me reasoning or a case. This goes to anyone else, as well. I'll then weigh everything together.
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Post Post #697 (isolation #164) » Sat May 19, 2018 10:10 am

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You have to convince me somehow.
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Post Post #699 (isolation #165) » Sat May 19, 2018 10:18 am

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No, not really. I had some problems with your slot before claiming Doctor, I want to be solid before making a decision. I'm not interested in no lynching.
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Post Post #702 (isolation #166) » Sat May 19, 2018 10:19 am

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No.
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Post Post #706 (isolation #167) » Sat May 19, 2018 10:21 am

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I said no. Now talk please.
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Post Post #709 (isolation #168) » Sat May 19, 2018 10:24 am

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It's not happening. I don't see how anything different would happen. I'm not arguing on this any further.
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Post Post #717 (isolation #169) » Sat May 19, 2018 10:32 am

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I don't have any reason to doubt Una right now. So I'm fine with the game state at what it is.
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Post Post #725 (isolation #170) » Sat May 19, 2018 10:42 am

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I have an idea myself, and also want to hear what Chamber thinks. I'm not interested in no lynch, either way.
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Post Post #741 (isolation #171) » Sat May 19, 2018 10:58 am

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I don't want to no lynch either Una. :giggle:
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Post Post #745 (isolation #172) » Sat May 19, 2018 11:00 am

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Thank you Una for giving me this burden.
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Post Post #750 (isolation #173) » Sat May 19, 2018 11:04 am

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The reason I'm not willing to is I don't see the point either. I'd rather not wait another night again when we can wrap this up today.
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Post Post #767 (isolation #174) » Sat May 19, 2018 11:13 am

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In post 764, UnaBombaH wrote:I mean, I'm willing to no lynch if Ranmaru accepts, but I do not see myself voting for anyone except chamber anyway.. :?
Why Chamber?
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Post Post #783 (isolation #175) » Sat May 19, 2018 11:30 am

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I don't generally like to default to Occamz razor. Also, it's as Chamber said. I'm not doubting Una, so I'm going to weigh Chamber vs Maria. I'm going to ISO them and make a decision. First I'm going to eat though, I have breakfast + lunch waiting for me.
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Post Post #785 (isolation #176) » Sat May 19, 2018 11:33 am

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I don't have the patience to wait 6 phases. Maria if you have some reason to doubt Una, show it. Otherwise I'm not convinced we
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Post Post #792 (isolation #177) » Sat May 19, 2018 2:38 pm

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Spoiler: Weight
Chamber:

Negatives:
1. Plays a waiting game rather then being proactive. (Yet, is slightly more proactive then Maria)
2. Night 1 target of myself doesn't make much sense to me.
3. Hammers Mastina, when I intended on posting reads list.

Positives:

1. Asked a good question in #163.
2. #325 States he has low confidence in his scum reads, and is mostly pushing Mastina for her D2 play, which makes sense.
3. Correctly predicted a no kill.
4. Seems to disagree with me entirely this whole game, so it makes sense that we both may be town just not synchronizing.
5. #663

Maria:

1. Votes Alisae after Errant votes, which implies coordination rather then a natural response to a wagon forming on Alisae.
2. #160 is a scumtell.
3. #316 talks about Cheeky being weird with a push not going anywhere when she is obviously town.
4. Bad interaction with Chamber.
5. #424
6. #427 Admits that she is playing differently to Chamber.
7. Her vote on Mastina was made without considering my request to wait for EP.
8. Her Una protection doesn't make sense.


Positives:

1. #147
2. Her insistence to clash with me Day 3 and on.
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Post Post #793 (isolation #178) » Sat May 19, 2018 2:39 pm

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Maria doesn't seem to be trying to find actual mafia. When I try to make an accurate path to lynch scum, I would expect town!maria to support me on scum!chamber yet she backed down on that, focusing on mastina/una. She also seems to have backed down from her Mastina push when called out by EP, which implies guilt. (When I was pushing Mastina as well) It shows she cared more about her image there then pushing for Mastina. She null reads Cheeky when she has enough content to read her by. She admits to Chamber she is playing differently this game, and has a tone change. Her Una protection doesn't make sense. Her vote on Mastina seemed coordinated, just as her vote on Alisae seemed coordinated. (EP > Maria, Maria > EP) Meaning, she didn't wait for my request to see where EP would vote first so I could determine his alignment further. Her vote on Una seems opportunistic, instead of waiting for him to explain himself on the weekend. I did like her not backing down to me when claiming and pushing the no lynch, but it's not enough. In general, I gave her a town read too early, and others noticed her being suspicious before I did, but with good reason.

Chamber, has some negatives as well. His target of me didn't make sense. His hammer on Mastina was anti-town. He was reactive, in comparison to myself, yet has pushed scumreads and made good points I could agree on. Most of his scumread on me was that I seemed to have been arguing points in bad faith to him, and that it seemed like I scumread him even when null-reading him. Generally, we disagree on many things this game, so I can see it as a play style clash between myself and him. His play makes sense when considering his scum reads did direct him to our meta, and he had no other avenues besides Mastina, who slowed down in posting later that day. I also agree with him that Maria is pushing a No Lynch to validate her doc claim.
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Post Post #794 (isolation #179) » Sat May 19, 2018 2:42 pm

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I have no doubts on Una, so it's between Chamber and Maria to me. I'm leaning towards Maria today. On win rates, I'm confident we can win for town today.
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Post Post #797 (isolation #180) » Sat May 19, 2018 2:45 pm

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Convince me on why I am wrong then, and tell me why it's Chamber and not you.
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Post Post #799 (isolation #181) » Sat May 19, 2018 2:47 pm

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You are enjoyable to play with too, nothing has changed for me.
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Post Post #803 (isolation #182) » Sat May 19, 2018 2:50 pm

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It's not like I'm yelling at you or being obnoxious. I just think you're scum.
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Post Post #805 (isolation #183) » Sat May 19, 2018 2:51 pm

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Sure, I'll give you an answer. Give me a minute.
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Post Post #808 (isolation #184) » Sat May 19, 2018 2:58 pm

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I signed up to improve on my play. It's as simple as that. I don't really see no lynching as part of that. I find no lynching boring. It's not like I haven't been trying hard, or Cheeky wouldn't call me a tryhard. You also can't switch yet due to rules. You are saying I haven't put in the time? What makes you think that? Do you think I haven't gone through your or Chamber's ISO? Is there anything you think I missed with Una, tell me that.
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Post Post #812 (isolation #185) » Sat May 19, 2018 3:05 pm

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I'm confirmed town, you kind of have to. I'm not looking down on you or anything, i'm a humble dude. I don't want to make you feel bad in any way. Talk to me more about my play in D1 and D2, what was the difference then now?
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Post Post #815 (isolation #186) » Sat May 19, 2018 3:19 pm

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I'll tell you what, I will think about it tonight, and post tomorrow. I think my change is because 1) We're in mylo and 2) I am confident it's you. If it's not you, it has to be Una (which I think is unlikely). Would you get pissy towards me as scum, in this position? Why didn't you call out Chamber on him predicting the Night Kill? I probably didn't have to do much more then just decide between you and Chamber since we mass claimed already, and I'm confirmed town. No need to push a town bloc or anything at this point.
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Post Post #817 (isolation #187) » Sat May 19, 2018 3:28 pm

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In post 726, chamber wrote:What do you want to hear? I predicted the no kill in the PT just like I predicted the cheeky kill.

Vote MariaR
Also, still want to know whether you'd get pissy like this as scum.
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Post Post #819 (isolation #188) » Sat May 19, 2018 3:40 pm

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In post 804, MariaR wrote:I'll pure everything into my first town lylo ever.
So are you going to do this? Also, I thought you've been in a town lylo before. Wasn't that something I insulted you about in our previous game, where I misunderstood you actually did well in a lylo as town?
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Post Post #824 (isolation #189) » Sat May 19, 2018 8:27 pm

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Morning Una.
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Post Post #830 (isolation #190) » Sat May 19, 2018 8:37 pm

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I'd like to know too, Una. If it's already been said, it would be on our minds. Tell us.
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Post Post #833 (isolation #191) » Sat May 19, 2018 8:44 pm

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I haven't slept yet, but I was watching Netflix. Tell me, did you crumb your role? Also, I actually want you to case who you believe the scum is, instead of just leave the burden to me. Just to be sure.
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Post Post #835 (isolation #192) » Sat May 19, 2018 8:46 pm

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Una, I explain that in my #793.
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Post Post #837 (isolation #193) » Sat May 19, 2018 8:52 pm

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What do you think?
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Post Post #840 (isolation #194) » Sat May 19, 2018 9:16 pm

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Chamber, talk to me about the roles. How do you feel about Una's role, especially it being 2 shot? Do you believe we don't have any protective in this setup?
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Post Post #851 (isolation #195) » Sun May 20, 2018 4:54 am

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I will get to this later today, out and about.
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Post Post #852 (isolation #196) » Sun May 20, 2018 2:23 pm

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I have discussed this with singer, and we decided that we shall no lynch.
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Post Post #854 (isolation #197) » Sun May 20, 2018 3:48 pm

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Vote: No Lynch
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Post Post #855 (isolation #198) » Sun May 20, 2018 3:49 pm

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Una, follow suit. Maria, re-vote No Lynch.
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