Mini 2011: Partition Mafia (Game Over)

[Wisdom]

Cool, so youre okay if i swap you to g3 instead?

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

my reasoning:

PINE IS BEING A REAL MAN AND WILLING TO DIE WITH HONOR

riku isn't so much

Explain

REAL MEN ARE WILLING TO DIE WITH HONOR

you are only a half man coward

either explain
or explain
get it?
Explain

how about NO?

[riku]

my reasoning:

PINE IS BEING A REAL MAN AND WILLING TO DIE WITH HONOR

riku isn't so much

Explain

REAL MEN ARE WILLING TO DIE WITH HONOR

you are only a half man coward

either explain
or explain
get it?
Explain

how about NO?

Not an option.

@Wisdom obviously. But im not scum so *shrugs*

[zMuffinMan]

reiterating, here are the reasons why lynching group 2 with no swaps is the optimal play today:

- kokichi scum with wisdom - it's pretty obvious why the plan is stupid in this case
- wisdom scum, kokichi town - wisdom will be saving scum here (well, not certainly, there are possibilities of gambits, but let's assume he doesn't) and town gets fucked over trying to figure out what happened
- wisdom town, kokichi scum - best case scenario, the group outside 2 we lynch has scum in it after the swap. worst case, none
- wisdom town, kokichi town - the possibility of swapping out a town player for a scum player and lynching an all-town group isn't worth it

group 2 is confirmed to have at least one scum. it may even have two. there is NO good reason to do swaps today and risk not lynching scum. even if you were certain of your reads on wisdom and kokichi, i'd call this an incredibly stupid move

the optimal play here is lynching group 2 with no swaps

at best i'd be willing to accept one swap (say, buj) because at least there exists a possibility of swapping a different scum player in and in the unlikely event they all flip town then buj is scum anyway (i doubt this happens, but this is the absolute worst case scenario)

if anyone wants to argue down the logic here, go ahead. otherwise, if we're just playing suboptimally anyone, then i no longer give a fuck

[zMuffinMan]

ebwop: if anyone that isn't wisdom wants to argue down the logic here...

[Wisdom]

the logic is that me and kokichi are obvtown and no matter how much you try to twist it its true and thats what youre basing this campaign on

[zMuffinMan]

I fucking know youre going to use your scumrole to get out of dying. Use it on me and youre fucking dead tomorrow. Nothing youll ever say will excuse you from seeing im obvtown here.

what have you done so far that's 'obvtown'?

claimed a role that allows you to make up a swap-play that gets you out of being lynched?

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

the LOGIC is WISDOM AND KOKI ARE BOTH TOWN

and the POSSIBILITY of swapping WRONG is LOW

WHO the FUCK knows? maybe koki is town lying and he just said "group 2 has guaranteed 1 scum" because GUESS WHAT PURE PROBABILITY WOULD MAKE HIM CORRECT MORE OFTEN THAN NOT

the LOGIC FLAW in your UNMANLY PLAN is that these scenarios

- kokichi scum with wisdom - it's pretty obvious why the plan is stupid in this case
- wisdom scum, kokichi town - wisdom will be saving scum here (well, not certainly, there are possibilities of gambits, but let's assume he doesn't) and town gets fucked over trying to figure out what happened
- wisdom town, kokichi scum - best case scenario, the group outside 2 we lynch has scum in it after the swap. worst case, none
- wisdom town, kokichi town - the possibility of swapping out a town player for a scum player and lynching an all-town group isn't worth it

are NOT EQUALLY LIKELY

[Wisdom]

I can buy dram being this stupid. I can buy Eddie. I can buy DV. I cannot buy you. You are doing this because you're scum.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

fwiw I ENJOY SEEING THE GREAT MUFFIN MAN UNMANLY BEGGING FOR HIS LIFE

[Wisdom]

I fucking know youre going to use your scumrole to get out of dying. Use it on me and youre fucking dead tomorrow. Nothing youll ever say will excuse you from seeing im obvtown here.

what have you done so far that's 'obvtown'?

claimed a role that allows you to make up a swap-play that gets you out of being lynched?

anyone who's played with me knows this is town-wisdom
my role has nothing to do with it although how ive claimed it and planed to use it does

[Eddie Cane]

Muffin what is your read on Eddie?

copout, but i don't have a read on him

his grand reveal about the reason he's been pushing group 3 all game was unimpressive. nothing he's done so far looks like something i couldn't also see from scum. the unhelpful "i'm doing my own thing, fuck your questions" style is boring (#nothypocritical) so i'm just going to leave him in my poe pool for now. i might actually go back and read through his ISO at some point tonight because i honestly can't remember anything he's done this game outside of saying 'vote g3' and the claim stuff

well reaction tests generally are underwhelming yea

[zMuffinMan]

REAL MAN, i think you're wrong

wisdom, i don't care. you either go down with the ship or you go down with the other ship. pick your poison

i'm even being generous and allowing you to pick one player you want to save from that group, so long as you aren't stubborn, that seems pretty fair

in any scenario where i'm scum, that means you hit scum today and i can just as easily be lynched tomorrow

in any scenario where you're scum though, town potentially hits no scum today and has to figure out you're scum tomorrow

[Wisdom]

I don't do dealings with scum. If you swap to save yourself and kill me you're dead.

[zMuffinMan]

anyone who's played with me knows this is town-wisdom

have you never been town-read by people as scum? or is it only by people who don't know you?

you're missing the point anyway. you keep going on and on about being obv-town. you're not. at least not to me. and i don't give two fucks whether you think i'm scum

you do the suboptimal swap and so will i

[Eddie Cane]

I can buy dram being this stupid. I can buy Eddie. I can buy DV. I cannot buy you. You are doing this because you're scum.

hey

your face is stupid

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

REAL MAN, i think you're wrong

wisdom, i don't care. you either go down with the ship or you go down with the other ship. pick your poison

i'm even being generous and allowing you to pick one player you want to save from that group, so long as you aren't stubborn, that seems pretty fair

in any scenario where i'm scum, that means you hit scum today and i can just as easily be lynched tomorrow

in any scenario where you're scum though, town potentially hits no scum today and has to figure out you're scum tomorrow

but MUFFIN MAN, i think you're wrong OR SCUM

if you are TOWN here RECOGNIZE that cakez or dramonic are LIKELY 1 scum here and the loss is NOT AS GREAT as group 2 having LIKELY MAX only 1 scum and everyone else being OBVTOWN

your LAME UNMANLY argument is just pure numbers RNG which is IGNORING EVERYTHING ABOUT THE GAME which is BULLSHIT considering how good your own reads are so the fact that you aren't using them makes you seem like SCUM

[zMuffinMan]

I don't do dealings with scum. If you swap to save yourself and kill me you're dead.

if you're town, the loss is on you if the game gets fucked because of your swap

i've given you every warning about it

[Wisdom]

Eddie, Fitz, Bu and whoever else hasnt posted recently Ill give you one more chance to say your part about the plan. After that I am swapping Pine with realmen and we're lynching G3.

[Eddie Cane]

you can't catch me I'm z gingerbread man

[Wisdom]

I don't do dealings with scum. If you swap to save yourself and kill me you're dead.

if you're town, the loss is on you if the game gets fucked because of your swap

i've given you every warning about it

the game cannot be possibly fucked by my swap because I save 3 townies. Keep your "warnings" for newbies.

[Eddie Cane]

swap cakez with kok. thats the only swap I'm okay with

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

anyone who's played with me knows this is town-wisdom

have you never been town-read by people as scum? or is it only by people who don't know you?

you're missing the point anyway. you keep going on and on about being obv-town. you're not. at least not to me. and i don't give two fucks whether you think i'm scum

you do the suboptimal swap and so will i

OKAY

LET ME BELIEVE YOU ARE TOWN FOR A MOMENT

YOU SWAP YOURSELF WITH RIKU

WISDOM SWAPS ME WITH PINE

WE KILL {RIKU PINE CAKEZ DRAM}

EVERYONE IS SATISFIED

[zMuffinMan]

if you are TOWN here RECOGNIZE that cakez or dramonic are LIKELY 1 scum here and the loss is NOT AS GREAT as group 2 having LIKELY MAX only 1 scum and everyone else being OBVTOWN

yeah, no

cakez is a maybe but i currently don't think that's the case

i think they're both more town than you anyway

[zMuffinMan]

btw, dram's mod question is STILL the single most town thing anyone has done in this game