Mini 2011: Partition Mafia (Game Over)

[Wisdom]

Plus, if hes scum id rather he used up the switching now rather than save it for tomorrow

[Kokichi Oma]

Muffin if he switches you, will you still switch? Yes or no

[BuJaber]

Wisdom issue with that is muffin doesn't believe koki.

And it's easy to just call him scum for it but if he's town and doesn't believe koki he isn't going to swap riku/pine.. he'll save his ass by swapping someone else.

If muffin agrees to swap with riku and then lies about it that is an even bigger scum claim than him not going first (which already is in my book because difference between wisdom's ability and muffin's is that muffin can save himself by swapping into the group we put townies in while wisdom pretty much puts his faith in our voting ability) WE can fuck with wisdom but muffin can fuck with US. So if either of them is scum it's worse for us if muffin is scum so he has to go first.

Him refusing = scum because this is pretty basic stuff. Wisdom is not powerful without supporters. Muffin is.


But yeah if muffin agrees to swap with riku and then you swap pine with cake... or RMOJ if you really want... I'll lynch group 3.

I'm not prepared to lynch group 3 if dramon isn't in it. Obviously I'm putting my reads above everyone else's but I don't think I can be wrong about both dramon and RMOJ. One of them is for sure scum. And mayybe both.

[Wisdom]

he'll save his ass by swapping someone else.

He said he's potentially open to swapping himself with fitz, which I'm okay with.

[Pine]

Plz lynch group 2

Swap scummy people into it

Ready to die for the cause

[Wisdom]

nope

[BuJaber]

UNVOTE:

Will vote after both swaps.

[dramonic]

i honestly do not care what people think of how i'm playing (i thought this was going to be a relaxing game that wouldn't require me explaining such basic things but here i am). this is the exact reason i stopped playing a couple years ago, only this time i'm not exploding in a fit of rage about it because it isn't really worth it. i'm so sick of towns doing stupid shit based on shitty assumptions that end up being wrong most of the time and i hate having to play with people who can't think logically or are so confident about something that they're willing to ignore best play

This, except I get the fits or rage.

Any use of the swapping power is 100% antitown and stupid at this juncture.

Worst case scenario of lynching group 2 as is is losing 4 town for 1 scum
Best case scenario of any other lynch and/or swap is not losing 4 town.

Anybody who considers that option 2 is superior to option 1 should just quit playing mafia, because it's honestly real fucking sad that basic logic is beyond your grasps.

Any instance of swapping needs to end up with me dead, because I have no interest in putting up with the stupidity of people in this game.
I signed up for a mafia game, not fucking kindergarten.

[dramonic]

I set the standards for you people so fucking low and you still fail to meet it

"But we might get 4 dead toooooown"
Yes, and we get 1 guaranteed scum. It's the proper play because it has a 0% fail rate, as opposed to any other plan.

"But Wisdom/Koki is confirmed"
I don't see no mod post saying that, so no, they're not.

"But my perspective-"
Your perspective is not a fact.

[dramonic]

Mafia is not about saving townies, it's about lynching scum.
The only townie you don't want to die is the one in lylo.

[Wisdom]

dram explain to me how it is protown from my pov to lynch myself and two people I am townreading so I can lynch 2 people only one of which will be scum 99% of the time

[Wisdom]

oh really we should just ignore dayplay altogether and just play based on mechanics then?

[Wisdom]

that's the mindset of newbies who come from epicmafia or whatever crapsite
it shouldnt be yours
we have reads, we have actions we can use to make use of them

[SirCakez]

alternate idea - lynch 1? And swap gal out.

Nah
DV and eddie are townleans

Meh

Plz lynch group 2

Swap scummy people into it

Ready to die for the cause

Look at how useless Pine is being. He knows he's caught scum.

I'm feeling kinda indifferent towards which way we go with the swap. Is that bad lol

[Wisdom]

cakez you feel like you agree with whatever
i dont see you having a strong opinion about anything

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

i honestly do not care what people think of how i'm playing (i thought this was going to be a relaxing game that wouldn't require me explaining such basic things but here i am). this is the exact reason i stopped playing a couple years ago, only this time i'm not exploding in a fit of rage about it because it isn't really worth it. i'm so sick of towns doing stupid shit based on shitty assumptions that end up being wrong most of the time and i hate having to play with people who can't think logically or are so confident about something that they're willing to ignore best play

This, except I get the fits or rage.

Any use of the swapping power is 100% antitown and stupid at this juncture.

Worst case scenario of lynching group 2 as is is losing 4 town for 1 scum
Best case scenario of any other lynch and/or swap is not losing 4 town.

Anybody who considers that option 2 is superior to option 1 should just quit playing mafia, because it's honestly real fucking sad that basic logic is beyond your grasps.

Any instance of swapping needs to end up with me dead, because I have no interest in putting up with the stupidity of people in this game.
I signed up for a mafia game, not fucking kindergarten.

no, best case scenario is we swap correctly, lynch 3 scum and instantly win the game

go back to kindergarten flappy bird

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

oh really we should just ignore dayplay altogether and just play based on mechanics then?

this. fucking this.

those pushing for a group 2 lynch... are not using their head

"let's go for the safe thing and kill 4 townies for 1 scum!"

yeah pussies too bad i am a REAL MAN

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

@wisdom

i dont mind dying but i think you have been influenced by scum to save dramonic. considering i want specifically dramonic dead and specifically think he has a good chance of being scum i will not agree to you saving dramonic over me

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

like if you want me dead i'd rather you not swap dramonic out because i want him to go down with me. tia.

[dramonic]

dram explain to me how it is protown from my pov to lynch myself and two people I am townreading so I can lynch 2 people only one of which will be scum 99% of the time

Because it guarantees you hit scum, whereas any other option involves relying on imperfect information.
Explain to me how is it protown from your pov to lynch people you have no guarantee of scum over a guaranteed scumflip, just to save your ass and that of your townreads.

oh really we should just ignore dayplay altogether and just play based on mechanics then?

When you have a cop guilty, you don't ignore it, especially when you can lynch the cop and the guilty in the same play. It literally covers all bases.

that's the mindset of newbies who come from epicmafia or whatever crapsite
it shouldnt be yours
we have reads, we have actions we can use to make use of them

Your reads should guide your actions, not reduce the information we can play with. Check your ego.

EDIT: Lynching three scum and winning the game files under "not lynching 4 townies", genius.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

like if bu was in my group i'd be 'sure, save bu instead of me, i dont mind dying a MANLY DEATH'. but dramonic...? no, i will not agree to that.

though you dont exactly need my permission to kill me if you can do so

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

EDIT: Lynching three scum and winning the game files under "not lynching 4 townies", genius.

too fucking bad option 3 is fucking superior to option 1, you wanker

[dramonic]

Or we could not swap and all 3 scums are already in group 2.

You know, we can build a lot of stupid theories together if that's your kick.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

Or we could not swap and all 3 scums are already in group 2.

You know, we can build a lot of stupid theories together if that's your kick.

or i could win the lottery tomorrow and buy over mafiascum

stop being a nitwit, i'm actually suggesting probable shit here, you're just memeing for the sake of it

reread wisdom's theory again. we're using dayplay and reads to influence our swaps for a better optimal lynch instead of your pussy newbie queue safe lynch. okay?

[dramonic]

... Jesus Christ you suck at probabilities.