Open 723: Purgatory! (Hell Phase 3)

[AP]

Spoiler:

Cough..

Spoiler:

cough..

Spoiler:

cough..

Spoiler:

confirm

[AP]

- What am I missing here? "after the second scum is removed....."

Although mod says he removed that line (unless I misunderstood) that phrasing was perfectly correct, because being sent to heaven does

not

remove you from

the game

. It only removes you from the

main thread

. If Scum are ever in a 2-2 or 3-3 in the main thread the living players can no longer vote but those in heaven can.

When 50% of the living players are scum, a Judgment Day occurs. All living players lose the ability to vote. The martyrs privately vote in the martyr PT to send a living player to hell. If the player is town, the Mafia win. If not, the game moves on to a hell phase.

[AP]

GROOVY BABY

Copycat!

[AP]

WHY MAKE TRILLIONS WHEN YOU CAN MAKE... BILLIONS?

That's .. peanuts

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ALRIGHT ZIP IT

I'm going to have to go with a solid NO on this one

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EVERYTHING I'VE DONE I'VE DONE FOR YOU

I MOVE THE STARS FOR NO ONE

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VOTE: ruru

Send ruru+N_M to hell and we win. Simple.

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@ruru: What exactly are you brewing talking about bloody Millers?

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Are you claiming not-miller?

Are you trying to mess with my head?

[AP]

Are you trying to mess with my head?

What's your role?

You pick. I'll role with it.

[AP]

pun policy lynch incoming

Well, well, well. Let's have a

pun

gent

pun

ch for the

pun

dit of ultimate

pun

ishment from

Pun

jab, shall we? (I hope I'm using my

pun

ctuations right.)

[AP]

What parts are causing you confusion, teacher?

All the masons bullshit and general fluffery.

Felt like I was in a Dan Brown Porno: Da Virgins Code

I'm liking this guy already

[AP]

VOTE: N_M

Let's do this for starters.

@N_M: You know I love you, man, but this is a necessity in this setup.

Explanation:

I do think N_M rolled scum here and he's playing (or rather not palying) the game solidly within his scum range.

But let's assume the worst case scenario (which is that I'm wrong and he's town). N_M cannot be relied on in LyLo either. We can neither afford having him alive in here nor in Heaven PT for that purpose.

[AP]

N_M is on V/LA

UNVOTE:

[AP]

I can't imagine forgetting my read on a player as either alignment

Well, I have NO READ on Oxy, so this is not meant to be in his defence, but it happened to me more than once before. It usually happens when I'm playing with the same player in 2 or 3 games simultaneously.

Now I don't know if this is the case nor do I care to know (i.e. I do not wish to talk about or even search for ongoing games). I'm just saying that it's completely NAI to me.

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I don't know about your proposed plan of not voting, so I'm not gonna vote but I'm going to discuss the theory

P.S. I somehow was under the impression the setup was flipless (no idea where I got that from).

I think we should send someone like me (a townie who may or may not be good at scum hunting) to Heaven. I will be flipped and you will know I'm town anyway, and it will give someone like RC the chance to stay in the main thread and hopefully send a second scum to Hell.

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We’re not sending anyone off the wagon to heaven

That's the wrong approach IMHO. By sending

me

to Heaven I will flip and be confirmed, but -more importantly- you will NOT be sending anyone from that wagon to Hell next, so you're taking me out of the PoE list while still maintain all your TRs in-play.

Now, let's assume I'm scum (for the sake of argument). I will still FLIP, so you will know, and you will not need to listen to me IF push come to shove and we reach Judgement Day.

But I'm not going to fight for my view here. I'm just making a stance, so feel free to do as you wish.

[AP]

OK. Cool.

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VOTE: ruru

[AP]

If you actually believe I'm town, lynching me today is a waste of a flip

What if I don't have a read on you but want to work with the rest of the town rather than be an arsehole?

[AP]

What are your reads then AP

Let me put it this way: I believe 1 scum was on the wagon. That would be either ruru or N_M (because the other 3 I TR).

That leaves another one off the wagon (aside from UD) and that would be either Oxy or Alch.

If you believe the wagon to be all town then Oxy AND Alch are scum, but it's rarely the case that a scum gets lynched on D1 w.o a bussing partner.

[AP]

AP: You were active enough. Why no vote? Whose your scummiest now?

?? I thought I was voting ruru already. Also we're not voting the scummiest here. We're voting for a townie to go to Heaven.

[AP]

also Hiraki ruru is conftown because she didn't self hammer

Yeah, I guess.. I still can't shake my first -FAULTY- impression that the game was flipless, and it's affecting my reads on the mechanics.

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@teacher: I already gave my reads, and even the change in them.

At the start of the day I was leaning 1 scum was bussing. In my mind, that was either ruru or N_M. ruru not hammering herself today makes her more likely town, so IF there was a bus it's probably N_M

Off the wagon I'm most suspicious of Oxy (now Hiraki).

I'm still of the opinion I should be the one sent to heaven today because it removes a confusing slot. The way I look at it is if I was scum then that means that Mafia can't achieve parity on D2 or even D3 in the main thread, so the town is in full control.

But since I'm Town; my removal clears the air for some slots (those who think I'm a hard read and ruru who is explicitly SRing me). Either way we are guaranteed majority in Heaven now, since a scumster was already sent to Hell. The earlier parity condition chance would be when there are 4 players left alive, which means 2 TOWN players are sent to Heaven and 2 others sent to Hell in the next 4 phases.

Others are not seeing it my way because they don't know my alignment, and I fully understand that. If I'm scum that would put the town on a very delicate situation in the next Heaven phase because 2 scums in Heaven = Scum win. That's why I'm not pushing my view too hard today because we can still win the other way around, so it's not worth the fuss.

[AP]

wait is it possible that NM could be trying to get ruru to l-1 so he can quickhammer

She was @L-1 before teacher unvoted (or was it invisibility that unvoted? I'm REALLY lazy with this slow internet connection)

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VOTE: Hiraki

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AP is next to hell if this doesn't end the game

Since I'm watching "The Mortal Instrument: City Of Bones", I can assure you that you won't get the cup no matter how you try

And..

UNVOTE:

The only person I'm trusting here is RC. He tells me to revote and I will. He tells to vote elsewhere and I'll comply.

[AP]

In fact..

VOTE: Alchemist

He wasn't voting scum for Hell nor Town for Heaven. He wasn't voting AT ALL in both occasions.

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PHUCK! Huraki already in Hell.

UNVOTE:

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@RC: Alch+N_M are the scum here. I'm OK sending anyone else to Heaven. You pick.

[AP]

PHUCK! Huraki already in Hell.

UNVOTE:

for plurality use I won't count these votes since you didn't notice lynch had occured

Thank you

[AP]

VOTE: AP

For plurality purpose

[AP]

Question here isn't who we think is most town

It's whose scumflip makes the game easiest

Are you unsure of teacher/invisibility? Because I think they're both Town myself. Add yourself and myself and Alch+N_M are lock scum.

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(Invis, Alchem) is my pool today - I think they offer the best sorting info.

We're not sending Alch to Heaven, GDI. We want a TOWNIE to be sent to Heaven.

[AP]

I will hammer teacher id you get him to L-1

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N_M, are you there?

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VOTE: teacher

Even if not, this is helpful in case of a tie.

P-edit:

[AP]

Your hammer, mate

[AP]

If you have something to say, go ahead and say it. There's no point in holding the game hostage when nothing's being added.

P-edit: I can unvote, let you vote and then hammer it myself if you like.

[AP]

@Alch: Why would TWO scums bus their p to Hell? And why would they help town send one of their own to Heaven?

[AP]

also scumteam Alchemist/AP

I'll accept that. Let's vote Alch for Hell next. I would very much like to game throw in this particular way. Happy?

[AP]

I actually don't mind being sent to Hell in this phase. That way it is JD already and I trust teacher & ruru to make the right call.

@mod: I am confused, so I am making sure I understand correct.

From the wiki page:

Town wins if the majority of scum is sent to hell

. This means 2 scums sent to Hell = Town wins.

However, from the wiki also:

When 50% of the living players are scum, a Judgment Day occurs. All living players lose the ability to vote. The martyrs privately vote in the martyr PT to send a living player to hell. If the player is town, the Mafia win.

If not, the game moves on to a hell phase

.

A, I correct in assuming the second caught would only apply if it was a 3-3 JD, and that if we send a townie to hell

in this current phase

the game will still end in a town victory

if the Martyrs correctly vote a scumster to go to hell

?

[AP]

Btw, consider my vote on N_M in spirit. I just don't want to rush things at this point.

[AP]

OK, then

this

is the way to go:

I get sent to Hell. The gane goes to JD phase and ruru+teacher decide the game.

I propose this because -regardless of how confident I am in my reads- neither of ruru/teacher trusts me much, and IF we send a townie -other than me- to Hell now; there's a good chance they will lose the game voting me. By me flipping I'm removing an obstacle from the town way for victory, I think.

Does anyone see anything wrong in my logic?

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Why wouldn't she vote Alch when he IS scum. He tried to stall the day with his VCA stuff, but then vanished when the wagon went on anyway. I din't get where your TR on him comes from.

[AP]

I haven't been paying much attention to what ruru/teacher's full readlists looked like. The concept I'm trying to apply is to remove the most confusing slot for them two. If they are TRing N_M and you think he's scum (I do) we should be lynching him. If we're right we win. If they're right we lose (because they'll then SR us both). HOWEVER, I know my own alignment, so by flipping myself I guarantee they'll reevaluate their reads accordingly. It's better than sending a hypothetical Town!N_M to Hell and leave me in the pool for the Martyrs to vote.

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But we don't even agree on the 3rd townie ourselves. I say it's Invisibility and you say it's Alch. What if we're both wrong and N_M IS Town? (The mechanics of the game make it impossible for me to apply my usual way of reading him). We would be responsible for the mess.

OK.. so we lynch N_M and hope we're both correct on this, or what?

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What if the 3 of us just quicklynch invis right now

And I'm not thinking about Invis' alignment even. I'm thinking precisely about "what if we lynch X and they flip GREEN?" possibility. I want to make it as easy as possible for the 2 Martyrs to make the right call, and I don't think Invisibility is/was SR's by either of them (correct me if I'm wrong)

[AP]

I'd think this was Towny if it didn't come after the post from earlier I pointed out.

It's the bloody same concept. It would have been even better because while I would have got confirmed a townie in Heaven; teacher would have still been the closest thing to be a confirmed townie alive, so minimizing the lynch pool even further.

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Did you read anything or are you just repeating yourself like a broken record? YES I DID, and IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER STILL, because TEACHER WOULD HAVE STILL BEEN HERE AND IS GLOBALLY TR'D ANYWAY. Imagine a world where I was a flipped Townie in heaven now and teacher is still playing here with the rest of this player list.

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Assuming you are town (and I'm not convinced you are); you're thinking NOW, and I'm thinking "what next?"

[AP]

Well, I may not be "obv!town" to you, but I am

conf!town

to myself.

[AP]

Well then, if you SR me then vote me mow. End of. I'll personally hammer myself if I get 2 votes on me.

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VOTE: Alchemist

Alright, guys. I'm gonna go on a limb and say it's Alch (100%) and RC (80%). I no longer think N_M would play like that as scum, and I;m certain Invisibility is TOWN here.

RC persistence on pushing Invisibility is highly suspicious to me, and coupled with the inexplicable defense of a clear scum (Alch) it's almost damning.

However, I know TC can be this stubborn as town, so I give him 20% being RC and 80% being manipulative scum.

Worthy of note that NSG isn't exactly active here because she hates playing scum.

We lynch Alch and if I'm right we win instantly anyway. If I'm wrong then RC is confirmed town and it's N_M + Invisibility and I will declare myself a moron in this case (if Sum are N_M AND Invisibility)

[AP]

there is

NO

ostensibly enough support to get this lynch through. let's see who votes.

Fixed that for you. I would lynch YOU over him 100% if the time.

[AP]

VOTE: invis

Don't be a jerk, matey. I mean,

if you're town

that's the worst vote ever. We keep Invisibility to make it easy for the Martyrs.

[AP]

@N_M: How can you SR RC AND Invisibility at the same time?

[AP]

Then vote Alch with me

[AP]

If Alch refuses to hammer invis then we'll know if you're right on him

Deal. Alch is scum if he refuses to hammer OR if he does and Invis flips Town.

[AP]

i wanted to self-hammer

No, please don't. It helps us much much more if you practice self-restraint and let Alch do it (or not)

[AP]

Alchemist/AP

vig alchemist pls

20/20 *Thumbs Up*

[AP]

@Martyrs: Your turn.

Explanation: If Invisibility was Scum then he either needed all 3 Town to vote him (which means I'm scum with him). Since I know I'm Town then VOTE: I know Scum are voting Invisibility. and since one scum voting Scum!Invis would mean they're playing directly against their win con, it means Invis IS TOWN, and TWO SCUMS are voting him.

[AP]

I meant to use [u.][/u] instead of the voting tags.

[AP]

I'm thinking RC is 90% Scum here now.

[AP]

I can't decide which of N_M or Alch is the partner though, because Alch not voting on the 1st 2 wagons is suspicious, but so is N_M's hammering. I know lol!hammering is NAI for N_M, but I suspect RC planned it to look exactly like that. My point on the RC slot stands.

Check this out: Go to northsidegal's user profile and click her posts. See if she has been VL/A for a week like RC claimed. (Hint: She never was, In fact, she has posted more than one post on each and every day of the last 7 days.)

[AP]

NSG has been v/la due to rl circumstances

TC, the above has been proven to be an outright lie, unless NSG's ghost has been using her account for the last week.

[AP]

*RC

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@Alch: You son't need to convince me of anything anymore. It's the Martyrs you need to convince that town!you was on the wrong side on each of the 3 wagons leading to someone being sent to Hell (not voting Scum, but voting both townies) AND one of the two that went to Heaven. (In other words, you need to convince them you're that bad).

[AP]

If I was scum scum would have more than a 50% chance of winning here.

This is also "playing with words", because -by definition- JD occurs when scum are equal to town in this thread. Scum could never have "more than 50% chance"

[AP]

While we're waiting I just want to say that it took me way too long to realize AP's name was meant to be short for Austin Powers. I kept thinking of Angry Pigeon before that.

ROTFL! Did the avatar have anything to do with you finally seeing the truth?

[AP]

GG.

@Maruchan: Thank you for modding
@ruru/teacher: Thank you for making the correct choice
@N_M: Lynching Alch with me would've end the game sooner

Oh, and..
@ruru: I

really

didn't notice Hiraki got lynched already. I was 1 page behind and didn't even notice that I was, so wasn't aware of any posts on the page where he got lynched.
You wanna know something even fannier? I wasn't keeping taps on the vote count for the first lynch of the game either.

Now go join 728 before it's full.

Lots of familiar faces already

[AP]

wait LOL

remind me to never play an open setup again

ever since the arrival of mathdino they've become awful

i had nothing to do with this setup's creation or execution

Knock it off. You're still to blame. In fact, would you share with the class how the Hawaii Volcano erupted?

[AP]

probably something to do with toxic fumes and hot air

In other words.. a dinosaur farted!