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Although mod says he removed that line (unless I misunderstood) that phrasing was perfectly correct, because being sent to heaven does
notremove you fromthe game. It only removes you from themain thread. If Scum are ever in a 2-2 or 3-3 in the main thread the living players can no longer vote but those in heaven can.
When 50% of the living players are scum, a Judgment Day occurs. All living players lose the ability to vote. The martyrs privately vote in the martyr PT to send a living player to hell. If the player is town, the Mafia win. If not, the game moves on to a hell phase.YEAH BABY YEAH!
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That's .. peanutsIn post 29, RC most awesomest wrote:WHY MAKE TRILLIONS WHEN YOU CAN MAKE... BILLIONS?YEAH BABY YEAH!
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I'm going to have to go with a solid NO on this oneIn post 33, RC most awesomest wrote:ALRIGHT ZIP ITYEAH BABY YEAH!
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In post 34, RC most awesomest wrote:EVERYTHING I'VE DONE I'VE DONE FOR YOU
I MOVE THE STARS FOR NO ONEYEAH BABY YEAH!
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Are you trying to mess with my head?In post 118, ruru wrote:Are you claiming not-miller?YEAH BABY YEAH!
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You pick. I'll role with it.In post 121, ruru wrote:
What's your role?In post 119, AP wrote:Are you trying to mess with my head?YEAH BABY YEAH!
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Well, well, well. Let's have aIn post 127, Invisibility wrote:pun policy lynch incomingpungentpunch for thepundit of ultimatepunishment fromPunjab, shall we? (I hope I'm using mypunctuations right.)
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I'm liking this guy alreadyIn post 185, teacher wrote:
All the masons bullshit and general fluffery.In post 175, Oxy wrote:What parts are causing you confusion, teacher?Felt like I was in a Dan Brown Porno: Da Virgins CodeYEAH BABY YEAH!
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VOTE: N_M
Let's do this for starters.
@N_M: You know I love you, man, but this is a necessity in this setup.
Explanation:I do think N_M rolled scum here and he's playing (or rather not palying) the game solidly within his scum range.
But let's assume the worst case scenario (which is that I'm wrong and he's town). N_M cannot be relied on in LyLo either. We can neither afford having him alive in here nor in Heaven PT for that purpose.YEAH BABY YEAH!
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In post 235, ruru wrote:I can't imagine forgetting my read on a player as either alignment
Well, I have NO READ on Oxy, so this is not meant to be in his defence, but it happened to me more than once before. It usually happens when I'm playing with the same player in 2 or 3 games simultaneously.
Now I don't know if this is the case nor do I care to know (i.e. I do not wish to talk about or even search for ongoing games). I'm just saying that it's completely NAI to me.YEAH BABY YEAH!
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I don't know about your proposed plan of not voting, so I'm not gonna vote but I'm going to discuss the theory
P.S. I somehow was under the impression the setup was flipless (no idea where I got that from).
I think we should send someone like me (a townie who may or may not be good at scum hunting) to Heaven. I will be flipped and you will know I'm town anyway, and it will give someone like RC the chance to stay in the main thread and hopefully send a second scum to Hell.YEAH BABY YEAH!
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That's the wrong approach IMHO. By sendingIn post 249, Not_Mafia wrote:We’re not sending anyone off the wagon to heavenmeto Heaven I will flip and be confirmed, but -more importantly- you will NOT be sending anyone from that wagon to Hell next, so you're taking me out of the PoE list while still maintain all your TRs in-play.
Now, let's assume I'm scum (for the sake of argument). I will still FLIP, so you will know, and you will not need to listen to me IF push come to shove and we reach Judgement Day.
But I'm not going to fight for my view here. I'm just making a stance, so feel free to do as you wish.YEAH BABY YEAH!
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What if I don't have a read on you but want to work with the rest of the town rather than be an arsehole?In post 266, ruru wrote:If you actually believe I'm town, lynching me today is a waste of a flipYEAH BABY YEAH!
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Let me put it this way: I believe 1 scum was on the wagon. That would be either ruru or N_M (because the other 3 I TR).In post 298, RC most awesomest wrote:What are your reads then AP
That leaves another one off the wagon (aside from UD) and that would be either Oxy or Alch.
If you believe the wagon to be all town then Oxy AND Alch are scum, but it's rarely the case that a scum gets lynched on D1 w.o a bussing partner.YEAH BABY YEAH!
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?? I thought I was voting ruru already. Also we're not voting the scummiest here. We're voting for a townie to go to Heaven.In post 374, teacher wrote:AP: You were active enough. Why no vote? Whose your scummiest now?YEAH BABY YEAH!
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Yeah, I guess.. I still can't shake my first -FAULTY- impression that the game was flipless, and it's affecting my reads on the mechanics.In post 378, Invisibility wrote:also Hiraki ruru is conftown because she didn't self hammerYEAH BABY YEAH!
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@teacher: I already gave my reads, and even the change in them.
At the start of the day I was leaning 1 scum was bussing. In my mind, that was either ruru or N_M. ruru not hammering herself today makes her more likely town, so IF there was a bus it's probably N_M
Off the wagon I'm most suspicious of Oxy (now Hiraki).
I'm still of the opinion I should be the one sent to heaven today because it removes a confusing slot. The way I look at it is if I was scum then that means that Mafia can't achieve parity on D2 or even D3 in the main thread, so the town is in full control.
But since I'm Town; my removal clears the air for some slots (those who think I'm a hard read and ruru who is explicitly SRing me). Either way we are guaranteed majority in Heaven now, since a scumster was already sent to Hell. The earlier parity condition chance would be when there are 4 players left alive, which means 2 TOWN players are sent to Heaven and 2 others sent to Hell in the next 4 phases.
Others are not seeing it my way because they don't know my alignment, and I fully understand that. If I'm scum that would put the town on a very delicate situation in the next Heaven phase because 2 scums in Heaven = Scum win. That's why I'm not pushing my view too hard today because we can still win the other way around, so it's not worth the fuss.YEAH BABY YEAH!
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She was @L-1 before teacher unvoted (or was it invisibility that unvoted? I'm REALLY lazy with this slow internet connection)In post 390, RC most awesomest wrote:wait is it possible that NM could be trying to get ruru to l-1 so he can quickhammerYEAH BABY YEAH!
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Since I'm watching "The Mortal Instrument: City Of Bones", I can assure you that you won't get the cup no matter how you tryIn post 424, Not_Mafia wrote:AP is next to hell if this doesn't end the game
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The only person I'm trusting here is RC. He tells me to revote and I will. He tells to vote elsewhere and I'll comply.YEAH BABY YEAH!
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Thank youIn post 442, Maruchan wrote:for plurality use I won't count these votes since you didn't notice lynch had occuredYEAH BABY YEAH!
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Are you unsure of teacher/invisibility? Because I think they're both Town myself. Add yourself and myself and Alch+N_M are lock scum.In post 446, RC most awesomest wrote:Question here isn't who we think is most town
It's whose scumflip makes the game easiestYEAH BABY YEAH!
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We're not sending Alch to Heaven, GDI. We want a TOWNIE to be sent to Heaven.In post 462, teacher wrote:(Invis, Alchem) is my pool today - I think they offer the best sorting info.YEAH BABY YEAH!
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I'll accept that. Let's vote Alch for Hell next. I would very much like to game throw in this particular way. Happy?In post 499, Invisibility wrote:also scumteam Alchemist/APYEAH BABY YEAH!
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I actually don't mind being sent to Hell in this phase. That way it is JD already and I trust teacher & ruru to make the right call.
@mod: I am confused, so I am making sure I understand correct.
From the wiki page:Town wins if the majority of scum is sent to hell. This means 2 scums sent to Hell = Town wins.
However, from the wiki also:When 50% of the living players are scum, a Judgment Day occurs. All living players lose the ability to vote. The martyrs privately vote in the martyr PT to send a living player to hell. If the player is town, the Mafia win.If not, the game moves on to a hell phase.
A, I correct in assuming the second caught would only apply if it was a 3-3 JD, and that if we send a townie to hellin this current phasethe game will still end in a town victoryif the Martyrs correctly vote a scumster to go to hell?YEAH BABY YEAH!
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OK, thenthisis the way to go:
I get sent to Hell. The gane goes to JD phase and ruru+teacher decide the game.
I propose this because -regardless of how confident I am in my reads- neither of ruru/teacher trusts me much, and IF we send a townie -other than me- to Hell now; there's a good chance they will lose the game voting me. By me flipping I'm removing an obstacle from the town way for victory, I think.
Does anyone see anything wrong in my logic?YEAH BABY YEAH!
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I haven't been paying much attention to what ruru/teacher's full readlists looked like. The concept I'm trying to apply is to remove the most confusing slot for them two. If they are TRing N_M and you think he's scum (I do) we should be lynching him. If we're right we win. If they're right we lose (because they'll then SR us both). HOWEVER, I know my own alignment, so by flipping myself I guarantee they'll reevaluate their reads accordingly. It's better than sending a hypothetical Town!N_M to Hell and leave me in the pool for the Martyrs to vote.YEAH BABY YEAH!
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But we don't even agree on the 3rd townie ourselves. I say it's Invisibility and you say it's Alch. What if we're both wrong and N_M IS Town? (The mechanics of the game make it impossible for me to apply my usual way of reading him). We would be responsible for the mess.
OK.. so we lynch N_M and hope we're both correct on this, or what?YEAH BABY YEAH!
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In post 522, Not_Mafia wrote:What if the 3 of us just quicklynch invis right now
And I'm not thinking about Invis' alignment even. I'm thinking precisely about "what if we lynch X and they flip GREEN?" possibility. I want to make it as easy as possible for the 2 Martyrs to make the right call, and I don't think Invisibility is/was SR's by either of them (correct me if I'm wrong)YEAH BABY YEAH!
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It's the bloody same concept. It would have been even better because while I would have got confirmed a townie in Heaven; teacher would have still been the closest thing to be a confirmed townie alive, so minimizing the lynch pool even further.In post 524, Alchemist21 wrote:I'd think this was Towny if it didn't come after the post from earlier I pointed out.YEAH BABY YEAH!
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Did you read anything or are you just repeating yourself like a broken record? YES I DID, and IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER STILL, because TEACHER WOULD HAVE STILL BEEN HERE AND IS GLOBALLY TR'D ANYWAY. Imagine a world where I was a flipped Townie in heaven now and teacher is still playing here with the rest of this player list.YEAH BABY YEAH!
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VOTE: Alchemist
Alright, guys. I'm gonna go on a limb and say it's Alch (100%) and RC (80%). I no longer think N_M would play like that as scum, and I;m certain Invisibility is TOWN here.
RC persistence on pushing Invisibility is highly suspicious to me, and coupled with the inexplicable defense of a clear scum (Alch) it's almost damning.
However, I know TC can be this stubborn as town, so I give him 20% being RC and 80% being manipulative scum.
Worthy of note that NSG isn't exactly active here because she hates playing scum.
We lynch Alch and if I'm right we win instantly anyway. If I'm wrong then RC is confirmed town and it's N_M + Invisibility and I will declare myself a moron in this case (if Sum are N_M AND Invisibility)YEAH BABY YEAH!
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Fixed that for you. I would lynch YOU over him 100% if the time.In post 543, RC most awesomest wrote:there isostensibly enough support to get this lynch through. let's see who votes.NOYEAH BABY YEAH!
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Don't be a jerk, matey. I mean,
if you're townthat's the worst vote ever. We keep Invisibility to make it easy for the Martyrs.YEAH BABY YEAH!
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Deal. Alch is scum if he refuses to hammer OR if he does and Invis flips Town.In post 552, RC most awesomest wrote:If Alch refuses to hammer invis then we'll know if you're right on himYEAH BABY YEAH!
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No, please don't. It helps us much much more if you practice self-restraint and let Alch do it (or not)In post 555, Invisibility wrote:i wanted to self-hammerYEAH BABY YEAH!
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