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Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Wed May 16, 2018 2:24 pm

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In post 8, Mathdino wrote:- I was unaware of the SSC call. Might be an oversight on my part, but evidence for not enough advertisement.
A post was made global asking for applications....
Tbh if you tried to PM Zor or Reck about it you might be able to get in late, idunno, ask them.

As for the rest of your post, it is the most cringeworthy thing I have ever fucking read.
“The newbie queue gave permissions for one of his games late” fucking lmao the other queues sure that’s fine because this has been a long trending problem. The newbie queue however this is wrong.

Look, the staff doesn’t see themselves as a problem
I am a big believer in just let the site die if no one wants to fix it, because if its in a state of emergency then something will be done.
But if you want REAL CHANGES?
And someone that actually CARES?
Then get Zoraster to quit.
But good luck doing that LOL.
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Post Post #10 (isolation #1) » Wed May 16, 2018 2:27 pm

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Seriously Zor is the root of the problem but you will never be able to change it.
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Post Post #12 (isolation #2) » Wed May 16, 2018 2:33 pm

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In post 11, Mathdino wrote:The newbie queue thing literally just happened this week.
IT HAPPENED ONCE, INFREQUENTLY, AND INCONSISTENTLY
ITS A HYYYYYGE PROBLEM.
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Post Post #14 (isolation #3) » Wed May 16, 2018 2:37 pm

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In post 13, brassherald wrote:I don't want to sound extreme or anything, but, if mods ignore the concerns, should it be that the community members who like others here should find a new site?

I tried Mafia Universe, by the way, and did not like the style there nearly as much as I do here, but maybe we as players and active members need to literally jump ship as a wake up call to the people running the place.
This is a good post btw
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Post Post #16 (isolation #4) » Wed May 16, 2018 2:57 pm

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In post 15, Lycanfire wrote:There's another website. The people that run it are probably less shitty of people than MU, but they're not exactly the company I want. I'd rather not advertise Alisae's funhouse considering how badly e wants this site to die, tbh.

FWIW, I don't think Zoraster is the problem.
ok look.
I am all for making MS a better place.
I just like doing it in extremes because I don’t think doing it normally gets attention.
You can’t do anything from the inside because if you WANT to do something in the inside you won’t even be let near anywhere close.
You can’t do anything from the outside because....Look how that went out.
Are you going to give medical attention to the guy who has the flu first, or the guy who literally just got shot and could survive?

Like, what do you actually do to bring change if you want it.

Also, I’m interested to hear why you think Zor isn’t the problem when he’s showing signs of actively being burnt out and kind of not caring and being slow.
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Post Post #18 (isolation #5) » Wed May 16, 2018 2:58 pm

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Like apparently it was Zor who wanted to cut Mandatory Reviewing from the Normal Queue.
If Mandatory Reviewing was cut from the Normal Queue that Queue would be in a way worse form then it currently is.
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Post Post #19 (isolation #6) » Wed May 16, 2018 3:00 pm

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Like what else
Scummies took 2 months longer then it should have cuz of Zor
Zor was originally not going to run TM because he thought that it would go all the way till May and that’s lol in of itself.
Not to mention he had me modding the mini-normal for his TM because from what it looked like, all of the other mods were apparently “better” (Bork and Hito, respectable people) at designing themes or whatever.
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Post Post #21 (isolation #7) » Wed May 16, 2018 3:02 pm

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Like Zor took weeks to setup his TM to finally cancel it.
Elli did it in 10 days.
10 D A Y S
AND IT WAS A HUGE SUCCESS

Pedit: UT I love you.
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Post Post #23 (isolation #8) » Wed May 16, 2018 3:04 pm

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In post 22, Mathdino wrote:Actually if I were to single someone out on a positive note, I found no flaws in how the Large Theme Queue is run, and have always gotten extremely prompt response regarding Large Themes.
Yeah its a good queue :]
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Post Post #24 (isolation #9) » Wed May 16, 2018 3:08 pm

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But that aside
I think the queues that could use the most focus that isn’t the newbie queue because that queue is always use improvements due to the nature of newbie games is
The Open Queue, which apparently was getting a rework but no details have been really talked about it?
The Normal Queue, which Implosion is working on!

Other queues are fine tbh if you’re worried about the attentiveness of the list mods then sure, that could always be improved.
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Post Post #26 (isolation #10) » Wed May 16, 2018 3:12 pm

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Also the work behind the scenes (the stuff we don’t see like with reports) Probably is handled extremely well due to the nature of it.

The way I see it, balance isn’t a major concern for the list mod.
Games that people actually want, isn’t a concern for the list mod. Games should be dropped within 8-14 days if they don’t fill, this already happens. If a gamethread hasn’t been made within the timeframe it was supposed to be, check in with the list mod for the queue.
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Post Post #35 (isolation #11) » Wed May 16, 2018 5:32 pm

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In post 2, Mathdino wrote:Assistants can be brought in to do the busywork of the queues, like tracking sign-ups and giving mod permissions. Or running NRG or Open Setups.
This is something I would ove to see btw and would solve most problems you seem to have and would make me extremely happy.

We already have the Game Moderator Access Usergroup, which is an open usergroup that anyone can contact a listmod to join and essentially get modding permissions for all of the sub forums.
Anyone can request to join this usergroup.

Have assistants keep track of sign-ups for queues and giving mod permissions to this global usergroup, sending out the pm saying this is your game please put this number in the title blah blah blah. Like this would be a good change.
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Post Post #37 (isolation #12) » Wed May 16, 2018 5:54 pm

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In post 36, Micc wrote:
In post 34, chamber wrote:viewqueue.php

I know someone was working on a newer version.
This looks super promising!
In post 34, chamber wrote:
In post 31, chamber wrote:Not to toot my own horn too much, but I honestly think a big issue has been the technical stagnation that happened when I stopped doing stuff. I can't stand working with zor (and it's not fair to put that entirely on him). So we just basically haven't gotten any major upgrades recently. The good news is that this is changing though, others -have- been working on things more recently, its just been paying back some tech debt from when nothing was being done (ie migrating to 3.2). Technical changes -should- be coming again.
Like a lot of your problems can be solved technically with something like this:

viewqueue.php

I know someone was working on a newer version.
WTF IS THIS AND WHY HAVE PEOPLE NOT BEEN USING THIS/ADVERTISING THIS
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Post Post #47 (isolation #13) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:37 am

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Oh ok Ari I’ll believe you
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Post Post #62 (isolation #14) » Thu May 17, 2018 9:07 am

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Kmo do you keep track of who actively replaces out of games, or is it just make sure the replacement requests are accurate.
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Post Post #63 (isolation #15) » Thu May 17, 2018 9:07 am

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In post 60, xRECKONERx wrote:is there a reason we need a masterlist of replacements instead of having people just check the most recent posts
Its easy to do
And its user friendly.
That’s it.
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Post Post #65 (isolation #16) » Thu May 17, 2018 9:10 am

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It looks like its only like 10-15mins a page and there aren’t new pages that frequently?
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Post Post #85 (isolation #17) » Fri May 18, 2018 2:27 am

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In post 84, Not Known 15 wrote:3. moderators AND reviewers get punished for games that objectively did not meet their promises or were unannouncedly imbalanced.
terrible.
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Post Post #86 (isolation #18) » Fri May 18, 2018 2:28 am

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Ya wanna know how you "punish" mods for not meeting promises or were unanouncedly imbalanced?
You blacklist them and never join any of their games.
Punishing a mod for that site wide is terrible and extreme and cruel and unusual.
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Post Post #102 (isolation #19) » Sat May 19, 2018 5:54 am

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I believe what happened with blitzes was it was hurting the other queues so it was taken down.
Not sure on that though, someone else who was around at the time can probably add more to that.
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Post Post #105 (isolation #20) » Sat May 19, 2018 8:10 am

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Nexus said he was running it on a Test basis.
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Post Post #107 (isolation #21) » Sat May 19, 2018 9:06 am

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Tbh for the Open Queue, I would like to see what coj suggested for tiny’s and a dedicated queue for White Flag or Cop 13ers or Vig10ers
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Post Post #108 (isolation #22) » Sat May 19, 2018 9:07 am

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Like Tiny Queue in the Open Queue for Lovers Mafia?
That would get a lot of attention.
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Post Post #109 (isolation #23) » Sat May 19, 2018 9:09 am

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Also a dedicated White Flag queue would be fun and might get some older and more experienced people who don’t normally in for opens to in to a White Flag game.
I would in for a white flag game if it had its own dedicated queue every now and then.
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Post Post #155 (isolation #24) » Sun May 20, 2018 12:22 pm

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In post 149, Micc wrote:I’ve had an offer to help judge scummies be completely ignored.
Zor didn’t respond to anyone’s pms at the time he just picked a bunch of people
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Post Post #157 (isolation #25) » Sun May 20, 2018 12:57 pm

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also I doubt Elli was told anything about the old mods for TM or who they were
but I doubt he would have put you on the mod team for TM2018 cause I don't think he knows who you are.
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Post Post #205 (isolation #26) » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:18 am

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SUPP is the only reason why this site is still alive and why people care about tbh.
That and the fond memories they had when they first joined 6-10 years ago
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Post Post #241 (isolation #27) » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:07 pm

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In post 236, northsidegal wrote:I believe the main problem with the open queue is that unpopular games can grind the queue to a halt.
In the mini-theme queue, there were 2 games.
- A game modded by TheWizard, which no one seemed to be interested because the mod has poor site rep
- A game modded by Aeronaut, who you can count on to flake.

For those 2-3 weeks, the mini-theme queue was completely dead.
Then the Waifu uPick went up and filled within a day.

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In post 236, northsidegal wrote:I don't mean to turn this too much into specifics or into blame, but currently in the open queue is:
Switch (Setup), a nightstart game with a cop and a serial killer. I think this setup has a lot of problems (funnily enough, this was another thing mathdino took issue with), and although I can't know this, I expect that a lot of potential players do as well.
And Hard Boiled, a setup which, as I understand it, has a breaking strategy. This setup has also been in the queue for about a month, is not close to filling, and has not been pulled.
my personal opinion is the Open Queue should just have completely different setups. A lot of these setups really just suuuuuuuck
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Post Post #243 (isolation #28) » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:08 pm

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THERE ARE NO GOOD MAFIA GAMES ATM WTF
I WANT TO PLAY MAFIA Image
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Post Post #247 (isolation #29) » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:15 pm

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tbh, I just want a queue that is exclusive to only the moderators with the highest rep. Something sorta like a VIP queue.
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Post Post #250 (isolation #30) » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:17 pm

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In post 248, BBmolla wrote:Experimental queue isn't an awful idea, but a Open Setup Review Group could also solve the issue of checking setups before they're run.

If you look at those contests I'm sure there are plenty of willing folks.
I feel like if the Open Setup Review Group had a place where they can actually test setups, that would be helpful
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Post Post #259 (isolation #31) » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:23 pm

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In post 252, northsidegal wrote:everyone starts somewhere. the recently finished purgatory was dannflor's second game and i think it's exceptionally done.
Correct! This queue would function as
1. A place for someone like Varsoon or someone who is already known to mod these really fantastic games that people love to play
2. A place for new mods to get some rep.
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Post Post #261 (isolation #32) » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:23 pm

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the purpose of a queue would be a queue that strives for quality.
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Post Post #264 (isolation #33) » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:26 pm

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In post 263, northsidegal wrote:I'm not sure I entirely understand the specifics of your suggestion if new mods also moderate there.
I just want a queue that will always have a moderator I can count on to not fuck up as well as mod a really fucking good game.
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Post Post #267 (isolation #34) » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:28 pm

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Like
consider it a Moderator Spotlight kind of queue?
It puts spotlight onto mods that are either
- Rising Stars in the modding community
- Already established mods with an excellent reputation (me, Varsoon, FakeGod)
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Post Post #270 (isolation #35) » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:34 pm

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I would like to see the Open Queue completely reworked to work similar to the Newbie Queue.
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Post Post #272 (isolation #36) » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:35 pm

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In post 269, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 267, Alisae wrote:Like
consider it a Moderator Spotlight kind of queue?
It puts spotlight onto mods that are either
- Rising Stars in the modding community
- Already established mods with an excellent reputation (me, Varsoon, FakeGod)
I think if people were willing to let others run their setup could help this issue. I never understood why more people don’t do loan out their setups.
I actually loaned Duckie a setup and am 100% a fan of co-modding
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Post Post #273 (isolation #37) » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:37 pm

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Here is how I would rework the Open Queue.

3 games in sign-ups at once.

1 would be the setup of the month. Something that players can reliably play, similar to how the Newbie queue functions.
1 would be how the open queue currently works but for minis and large opens.
1 would be the same as above but for 9 or less players.
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Post Post #279 (isolation #38) » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:49 pm

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In post 277, northsidegal wrote:This has been proposed before. I don't think that there are enough games played in a singular month to really justify it, and games that do attain a certain level of popularity where players just keep wanting to play the same setup just get put into the queue over and over without any need for a dedicated slot for them (the time that Coalition was ran a few times in a row comes to mind). With that in mind, it seems like this is just asking for an unpopular setup to make it into the monthly rotation. I think that a dedicated experimental slot instead would do more to increase open game popularity.
it wouldn't be like 1 setup every month but maybe like 1 setup every 3 months.
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Post Post #283 (isolation #39) » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:58 pm

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the ability to put a game into sign-ups immediately and have it fill immedaitely without waiting for other games to fill?
Sign me up!
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Post Post #287 (isolation #40) » Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:06 pm

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In post 286, OkaPoka wrote:Go full authoritarian and force people to play games to fill up the queue :cop:
Play in my Hydra only upick or else
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Post Post #302 (isolation #41) » Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:33 pm

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In post 301, OkaPoka wrote:what if the open queue was just terminated
now this is an idea i can get behind!
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Post Post #308 (isolation #42) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:36 am

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In post 948, T-Bone wrote:Announcement: With the conclusion of Team Mafia, I will once again enforce sign-up time limits. These games have 2 additional weeks to fill from this post.
ADDITIONAL 2 WEEKS
Excuse me?
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Post Post #309 (isolation #43) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:41 am

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In post 307, Kerset wrote:The biggest issue with open queue is list of Approved Open Setups. 50% of open games are first time mods, which need to get mod experience and the easiest way to get through your first mod game is by hosting one of those boring setups. Nobody wants to play those games!!!!!!!!!!
you actually bring up a valid point

If you don't want to design a normal, you can /in to mod a pre-designed normal, and get a setup that is far more interesting then what the open queue has to offer.

So now here's the question:
If you REALLY do not want to try your hand at making a mafia game, why would you mod an Open to be given a hand of 3 setups you really do not like, as well as mod in a queue that sucks, over modding a normal, and maybe being handed a cool setup?
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Post Post #311 (isolation #44) » Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:01 am

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In post 310, T-Bone wrote:I would like for people to view the Open Queue the same way they view the Newbie Queue, in that we are providing a place for first time Mods to get their modding experience, and potentially make some friends willing to play for them.
Is this ultimately your vision for the Open Queue?
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