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Post Post #9  (isolation #0)  » Wed May 16, 2018 8:24 pm

In post 8, Mathdino wrote:- I was unaware of the SSC call. Might be an oversight on my part, but evidence for not enough advertisement.
A post was made global asking for applications....
Tbh if you tried to PM Zor or Reck about it you might be able to get in late, idunno, ask them.

As for the rest of your post, it is the most cringeworthy thing I have ever fucking read.
“The newbie queue gave permissions for one of his games late” fucking lmao the other queues sure that’s fine because this has been a long trending problem. The newbie queue however this is wrong.

Look, the staff doesn’t see themselves as a problem
I am a big believer in just let the site die if no one wants to fix it, because if its in a state of emergency then something will be done.
But if you want REAL CHANGES?
And someone that actually CARES?
Then get Zoraster to quit.
But good luck doing that LOL.
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Post Post #10  (isolation #1)  » Wed May 16, 2018 8:27 pm

Seriously Zor is the root of the problem but you will never be able to change it.
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Post Post #12  (isolation #2)  » Wed May 16, 2018 8:33 pm

In post 11, Mathdino wrote:The newbie queue thing literally just happened this week.
IT HAPPENED ONCE, INFREQUENTLY, AND INCONSISTENTLY
ITS A HYYYYYGE PROBLEM.
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Post Post #14  (isolation #3)  » Wed May 16, 2018 8:37 pm

In post 13, brassherald wrote:I don't want to sound extreme or anything, but, if mods ignore the concerns, should it be that the community members who like others here should find a new site?

I tried Mafia Universe, by the way, and did not like the style there nearly as much as I do here, but maybe we as players and active members need to literally jump ship as a wake up call to the people running the place.
This is a good post btw
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Post Post #16  (isolation #4)  » Wed May 16, 2018 8:57 pm

In post 15, Lycanfire wrote:There's another website. The people that run it are probably less shitty of people than MU, but they're not exactly the company I want. I'd rather not advertise Alisae's funhouse considering how badly e wants this site to die, tbh.

FWIW, I don't think Zoraster is the problem.
ok look.
I am all for making MS a better place.
I just like doing it in extremes because I don’t think doing it normally gets attention.
You can’t do anything from the inside because if you WANT to do something in the inside you won’t even be let near anywhere close.
You can’t do anything from the outside because....Look how that went out.
Are you going to give medical attention to the guy who has the flu first, or the guy who literally just got shot and could survive?

Like, what do you actually do to bring change if you want it.

Also, I’m interested to hear why you think Zor isn’t the problem when he’s showing signs of actively being burnt out and kind of not caring and being slow.
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Post Post #18  (isolation #5)  » Wed May 16, 2018 8:58 pm

Like apparently it was Zor who wanted to cut Mandatory Reviewing from the Normal Queue.
If Mandatory Reviewing was cut from the Normal Queue that Queue would be in a way worse form then it currently is.
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Post Post #19  (isolation #6)  » Wed May 16, 2018 9:00 pm

Like what else
Scummies took 2 months longer then it should have cuz of Zor
Zor was originally not going to run TM because he thought that it would go all the way till May and that’s lol in of itself.
Not to mention he had me modding the mini-normal for his TM because from what it looked like, all of the other mods were apparently “better” (Bork and Hito, respectable people) at designing themes or whatever.
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Post Post #21  (isolation #7)  » Wed May 16, 2018 9:02 pm

Like Zor took weeks to setup his TM to finally cancel it.
Elli did it in 10 days.
10 D A Y S
AND IT WAS A HUGE SUCCESS

Pedit: UT I love you.
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Post Post #23  (isolation #8)  » Wed May 16, 2018 9:04 pm

In post 22, Mathdino wrote:Actually if I were to single someone out on a positive note, I found no flaws in how the Large Theme Queue is run, and have always gotten extremely prompt response regarding Large Themes.
Yeah its a good queue :]
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Post Post #24  (isolation #9)  » Wed May 16, 2018 9:08 pm

But that aside
I think the queues that could use the most focus that isn’t the newbie queue because that queue is always use improvements due to the nature of newbie games is
The Open Queue, which apparently was getting a rework but no details have been really talked about it?
The Normal Queue, which Implosion is working on!

Other queues are fine tbh if you’re worried about the attentiveness of the list mods then sure, that could always be improved.
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Post Post #26  (isolation #10)  » Wed May 16, 2018 9:12 pm

Also the work behind the scenes (the stuff we don’t see like with reports) Probably is handled extremely well due to the nature of it.

The way I see it, balance isn’t a major concern for the list mod.
Games that people actually want, isn’t a concern for the list mod. Games should be dropped within 8-14 days if they don’t fill, this already happens. If a gamethread hasn’t been made within the timeframe it was supposed to be, check in with the list mod for the queue.
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Post Post #35  (isolation #11)  » Wed May 16, 2018 11:32 pm

In post 2, Mathdino wrote:Assistants can be brought in to do the busywork of the queues, like tracking sign-ups and giving mod permissions. Or running NRG or Open Setups.
This is something I would ove to see btw and would solve most problems you seem to have and would make me extremely happy.

We already have the Game Moderator Access Usergroup, which is an open usergroup that anyone can contact a listmod to join and essentially get modding permissions for all of the sub forums.
Anyone can request to join this usergroup.

Have assistants keep track of sign-ups for queues and giving mod permissions to this global usergroup, sending out the pm saying this is your game please put this number in the title blah blah blah. Like this would be a good change.
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Post Post #37  (isolation #12)  » Wed May 16, 2018 11:54 pm

In post 36, Micc wrote:
In post 34, chamber wrote:https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewqueue.php

I know someone was working on a newer version.

This looks super promising!

In post 34, chamber wrote:
In post 31, chamber wrote:Not to toot my own horn too much, but I honestly think a big issue has been the technical stagnation that happened when I stopped doing stuff. I can't stand working with zor (and it's not fair to put that entirely on him). So we just basically haven't gotten any major upgrades recently. The good news is that this is changing though, others -have- been working on things more recently, its just been paying back some tech debt from when nothing was being done (ie migrating to 3.2). Technical changes -should- be coming again.


Like a lot of your problems can be solved technically with something like this:

viewqueue.php

I know someone was working on a newer version.
WTF IS THIS AND WHY HAVE PEOPLE NOT BEEN USING THIS/ADVERTISING THIS
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Post Post #47  (isolation #13)  » Thu May 17, 2018 10:37 am

Oh ok Ari I’ll believe you
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Post Post #62  (isolation #14)  » Thu May 17, 2018 3:07 pm

Kmo do you keep track of who actively replaces out of games, or is it just make sure the replacement requests are accurate.
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Post Post #63  (isolation #15)  » Thu May 17, 2018 3:07 pm

In post 60, xRECKONERx wrote:is there a reason we need a masterlist of replacements instead of having people just check the most recent posts
Its easy to do
And its user friendly.
That’s it.
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Post Post #65  (isolation #16)  » Thu May 17, 2018 3:10 pm

It looks like its only like 10-15mins a page and there aren’t new pages that frequently?
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Post Post #85  (isolation #17)  » Fri May 18, 2018 8:27 am

In post 84, Not Known 15 wrote:3. moderators AND reviewers get punished for games that objectively did not meet their promises or were unannouncedly imbalanced.
terrible.
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Post Post #86  (isolation #18)  » Fri May 18, 2018 8:28 am

Ya wanna know how you "punish" mods for not meeting promises or were unanouncedly imbalanced?
You blacklist them and never join any of their games.
Punishing a mod for that site wide is terrible and extreme and cruel and unusual.
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Post Post #102  (isolation #19)  » Sat May 19, 2018 11:54 am

I believe what happened with blitzes was it was hurting the other queues so it was taken down.
Not sure on that though, someone else who was around at the time can probably add more to that.
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Post Post #105  (isolation #20)  » Sat May 19, 2018 2:10 pm

Nexus said he was running it on a Test basis.
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Post Post #107  (isolation #21)  » Sat May 19, 2018 3:06 pm

Tbh for the Open Queue, I would like to see what coj suggested for tiny’s and a dedicated queue for White Flag or Cop 13ers or Vig10ers
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Post Post #108  (isolation #22)  » Sat May 19, 2018 3:07 pm

Like Tiny Queue in the Open Queue for Lovers Mafia?
That would get a lot of attention.
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Post Post #109  (isolation #23)  » Sat May 19, 2018 3:09 pm

Also a dedicated White Flag queue would be fun and might get some older and more experienced people who don’t normally in for opens to in to a White Flag game.
I would in for a white flag game if it had its own dedicated queue every now and then.
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Post Post #155  (isolation #24)  » Sun May 20, 2018 6:22 pm

In post 149, Micc wrote:I’ve had an offer to help judge scummies be completely ignored.
Zor didn’t respond to anyone’s pms at the time he just picked a bunch of people
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Post Post #157  (isolation #25)  » Sun May 20, 2018 6:57 pm

also I doubt Elli was told anything about the old mods for TM or who they were
but I doubt he would have put you on the mod team for TM2018 cause I don't think he knows who you are.
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Post Post #205  (isolation #26)  » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:18 pm

SUPP is the only reason why this site is still alive and why people care about tbh.
That and the fond memories they had when they first joined 6-10 years ago
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