Mini Normal 2002: The Thaw OVERRRRRRRRR

[Hiraki]

Hi all. Egoposting.

[Hiraki]

3rd time is the charm, right?

For you! I keep writing a catch-up post and deleting it because I comment on too many dumb things.

Here are the highlights.

Saudade is pretty town already though.

Ping!

I think I’m town reading hoopla. The way she’s doing everything doesn’t seem like it’s coming from scum.

Well that's a read I completely cant relate with

Yeah, I really didn't like that last vote switch.

VOTE: Saudade
alright if he's supposed to know this shit I'm not gonna play "dumb or scum?" with him, I'll just take it as scum since dumb is out of the window

Ping.

VOTE: gamma
These last few posts don't read at all like towngamma.

Ooooo! Are we agreeing??

This is some real "fuck you I'm town" shit right here.

Could not disagree harder. This is bare minimum "screw you!!!! I AM TOWN!!!" shit.

I mean maybe it's in his meta, you know what I think of living on meta. This is some real "fuck you I'm town" shit right here. Meanwhile FlavorFlav can't be giving anyone good vibes, right?

Why is it not something scum could fake?

This is good but don't think I don't think you're bussing!

Well, MoI isn't really doing any scumhunting, and when I read 90, it gives me "oh hey, I'm just here look at me" stuff.

Written on page 11.

And then when greyICE called them out for being their mason buddy in 105, the way I actually read that post is "Uuuuh sure I'll play along yeah look at me I'm trying to act confident but I'm really not feeling that?" Like it reads extremely faked to me.

I can agree with this. I think Grey is screwing around.

It's clear that you just want me gone no matter what and find reasoning and refute whatever claims someone else might bring to you so I'll just stop talking to you

I'm really just really feeling the buss oozing here.

okay yeah I turned off avatars and his posts don't feel so dull tone-wise
UNVOTE:

If he's scum, cool, if he's town, no big deal. He'll probably just radiate other flavours of bad plays tomorrow, and then before you know it, he'll be requesting votes and laying traps in LYLO. Alright, maybe that last bit is an exaggeration, but for real, lets just nip it in the bud now.

YUCK

No shot of me on Flavor. MoI is not scum atm.

Vote: Hoopla

[Hiraki]

Grey I really need to you get in here and give me some insight because I am going nuts watching this. I don't think Saud and Implosion / Erika are all partners. But I am having a hard as hell time deciding which side is more scummy.

HALP!!!!!

Grey will say that Saud is worse but he is wrong here.

MoI is not scum atm.

I would just love if you could justify this one.

The best I can do to dampen your worries is that 416 is borderline conspiracy theory writing. Then again, that just makes more sense!

[Hiraki]

I actually think 413 onward is the best reason for an implosion wagon. None of that sounds like he thinks MoI is scum but is sideline pushing him super hard. I also hated the current wagons but didn't have enough juice to make a splash for a new one that people would actually get on. I can do more to convince people of Implosion scum here, if needed.

Unvote, Vote: Implosion

[Hiraki]

In fact, in my editing, I do a terrible job on going on my grievances against Implosion and that's a bad thing for me. I will discuss him later today or tomorrow morning. Just need time.

[Hiraki]

*did

See?? My editing rn is subpar

[Hiraki]

Meaning that you go "oh my bad, you're right - but you're still scum"

[Hiraki]

MoI is not scum atm.

I would just love if you could justify this one.

ok

[Hiraki]

If I vote Flavor and he flips town, will you guys promise to come with me to scumland in Implosion?

[Hiraki]

I could, that wasn't the point though!

[Hiraki]

Hm, Hiraki again on day 1? Has that promise ever worked for you?

Uhh, okay? Don't reference ongoing games?

Oh god are we referencing that ridiculous game I wasn't even in? Hah, no, sorry, has nothing to do with that. I think you'd be an asset to any town you were a part of. Which is part of the problem here. Unfortunately random.org is a harsh mistress, and doesn't alwaye hand out town role pms.

Yeah, I had no clue what Stefan was talking about.

The funny thing about Erika’s replace out, though, is this game doesn’t even have normal queue regular players, and the ones of us that are aren’t posting much.

I agree heavily here. I think this game has a very big "stigma" problem which I never knew existed either way. If you continue to say people aren't posting, you're probably one of the people not posting. There is a wealth of content in this game that I need to analyze - not the opposite.

Will get into Implosion tonight.

[Hiraki]

It's almost like MoI is assuming that everyone else in the game if they are town is communicating the exact state of their thought process in this game perfectly. And that's just not true of town in general.

Which then continues on into:

The problem is that I'm pretty sure this isn't a tell for MoI and I have no idea how to actually read him, and the push even feels vaguely reminiscent of the last game I played with MoI where we were both town and suspected each other.

AND

And why I don't really understand why he's critical of erika for claiming inability to read him. I just don't know how to interpret any of this with regards to his alignment.

Which from an honesty perspective, I respect this. However, it doesn't ping me the right way. Mostly due to other reasons:

thought i answered this yesterday for some reason.

I'm bored with the day and still think he's scum and never really had the best reasons for unvoting him.

You're willing to go on a full on tangent with MoI to understand his thinking but won't entertain the thought of Flavor Town being town? This post in particular is weird. This is the first quote and then the rest of it is dedicated with a full on dialogue with MoI. Again - there's nothing wrong with that but I don't get how it's fruitful. In writing this, I don't know if it's inherently scummy but it is definitely intrinsically scummy just based off the fact that you're going to throw around walls that at the end of the day may not matter while voting someone off of boredom.

i really just don't know what to think about boon. but he's definitely not out of his scumrange. Literally every piece of self meta he gives is 100% worthless. And I normally actually value selfmeta.

Sprinkle this on and I'm feeling good about something being in this slot.

[Hiraki]

Keep in mind that none of the above actually goes into Implosion/MoI arguments. I tried reading them and got very tired very quickly. I think the above is enough for right now. If not, I can see what's going on there.

[Hiraki]

I mean that's OK but I'm not at all convinced by the fact that you just threw your vote there as if it was nothing.

[Hiraki]

I want to look at prism, if that makes you happy Cheetory. I had a ping somewhere on it last night.

[Hiraki]

525 was great. 528 is terrible. Pick a side.

[Hiraki]

Thinking about it, I guess I do kinda agree with the logic that Flavor's wagon is more likely to stall if he's town, with a handful of vanity wagons, no real competition, yet also no real motivation to get the lynch through despite my pleading. Looks like scum were getting complacent, assuming it would go through eventually and there was no reason to dirty their hands over this one.

I have a problem with how widespread this is being used and its effectiveness now-a-days. But that's a better discussion for Mafia discussion.

Why think that Implosion didn't know what he was doing? The guy who's making walls just forgot that he was voting where he was? Your point on Implosion really doesn't sit well with me. It gives him credit for bad scumplay when he's a good player. Too complicated to make me feel good.

[Hiraki]

Just to really push Cheet's last point, I don't understand how Cheetory dictates your thoughts. It's really weird to say and really makes the good content in 525 feel like it's not fabricated.

[Hiraki]

I had the same ping with a prior post but I'll discuss that later.

[Hiraki]

Prism. It feels like his reply is saying that your wants are weighing him down. Almost like unless he complies with your wants, he's being lynched. That's the feel I get from it.

[Hiraki]

Could be a personality thing after multiple re-reads but you're probably better at figuring that out.

[Hiraki]

His convos with Magna being the key reference point here. He's just ~*misunderstood*~ maaaaan.

I have more problems with his actions than his words.

[Hiraki]

I was already going to do that. The post there isn't keeping me accountable, it's saying "Oh yes, I'll hold you to it, I'm watching you closely" rather than just waiting to see what I come up with. I guess I can see intent here to needle scum and make them uncomfortable.

OK but this makes ME feel more uncomfortable for several reasons, most of them stated before:

1) What does Cheetory have to do with how YOU post?

2) If Cheetory DOES do this (which tbh I don't want to argue), is that town or scum aligned? You can't make a big stink about it and say null now!

[Hiraki]

I have no intention of voting someone who was clearly just not caring about the game at the end and is currently being replaced. Bad votes all around.

[Hiraki]

I'm pretty sure I'm good on my implosion vote. Haven't liked his reaction to my points one bit. Prism makes me feel weird. Hoopla is a good second ATM. Need to read cult and saud more

[Hiraki]

I'm pretty sure I'm good on my implosion vote. Haven't liked his reaction to my points one bit. Prism makes me feel weird. Hoopla is a good second ATM. Need to read cult and saud more

Are you okay with the fact that Hoopla is Implosion's second pick for a lynch target too?

considering prior behavior, yes.

[Hiraki]

Can you just address his question and stop talking about him? Is that possible?

[Hiraki]

I believe you're town but this is absolutely unproductive to continue this conversation in this manner.

[Hiraki]

I don't agree with this.

[Hiraki]

#lazy mod confirmation post

The one person (they know who they are) replaces in.

You can post.

But we don't?

[Hiraki]

I don't think I'm being cryptic when you knew the answer.

[Hiraki]

I still enjoy conversations if I could stretch that to "fairness"

[Hiraki]

I'd say hurry but at this rate, you should take your time

[Hiraki]

I'd like to hear a tad more out of Hiraki, and not just because I like him

Good time to announce that I'm V/LA until Monday and I'll be mobile until then. Yay!

Mod: Please note the above

[Hiraki]

I'd REALLY love to see more from Saudade

My lynchpool right now is him or Implosion. Not final and not PoE but a good start.

[Hiraki]

UC, please send out a mass daystart email. After the clusterfuck of last night you absolutely need to.

Mod: Can you clarify if scum had 24 hours to discuss and execute the night kill?

Might let everything about Cheetory's death make more sense.

[Hiraki]

When I get back, I will decide if Piplup enters that list based on more technical analysis (ie not mobile). Hoopla is off my radar solely because I'm trusting my reads are just wrong here based on public opinion.

[Hiraki]

Stefan isn't mafia here. Hope no one is saying that.

[Hiraki]

UC, please send out a mass daystart email. After the clusterfuck of last night you absolutely need to.

Mod: Can you clarify if scum had 24 hours to discuss and execute the night kill?

Might let everything about Cheetory's death make more sense.

Mod: Please answer this.

The game was paused for like, a long time and beforehand my wagon on Flavor has failed so I kinda lost interest at the closure days of day1

why didn't the scumflip get you excited?

I'm in pretty heavy disagreement here. A scumflip doesn't create excitement, especially if it was a lazy scumlynch. Moreso of a dart on the wall than an actual calculated lynch.

Not to mention, there are VARIOUS factors in this game that are just not making it the best game around.

Yup scum grandstanding. If you were Town you’d have been targeted for death last Night after “leading” a Cult scum lynch. Surprised you chose Cheery over Hoopla but I guess you figured you have Hoopla pocketed enough and had already set the stage for your mislynch push on me.

This feels weird.

Yes of course. But I think you know I would say that even if I was scum so hardly worth even asking, right?

You have made your stance clear Grey. I’m happy to make this 1v1 today even if I lose.

I agree with this.

There's a lot of sort of straightforward reasons to think Piplup is scum. 979 feels scum-caught-for-the-wrong-reasons-y, and his reasoning in a lot of cases is extremely one-dimensional/easy to fake. Pieces of it actually remind me of i think my first scumgame on MS when I pushed someone for a long time for iirc purely "logic" reasons, things like "this person said something false." Those reasons are almost always bad reasons to scumread people and they're extremely easy to fake as scum and they are the kind of thing that scum will fake in practice.

I agree with exactly none of this.

I want more from Hiraki on why he wants the players he wants today.

I've found nothing good about the players that I've been looking at. Implosion has consistently reeked of very weak tells. I've lost my Saudade scumread. At the end of this post, I will look at Piplup. I generally have not liked the wagon thusfar but maybe that will change. Who knows. If so, Hoopla comes back on and I say fuck all of your meta shits, I'm going after scum.

I also do really want to see what Hiraki has to say here.

I mean I have nothing more to say in general than that that I have already said?

You are doing almost nothing but talking about what you do as town and as mafia in other games. You are calling Saudade newbtown but conveniently leaving out that I am also new to this site. You started buddying up to implosion when he said you were being bad with your play. You're starting to drown.

You're giving Implosion a good run for his money!

If both are alive at later phases. That dissolved way too easily.

Ah, THAT"s why the above was so bad.

I forgot to mention that Gamma pinged me recently. Especially with that Saudade vote. Can someone explain why Gamma is town after the COA flip? I don't see that anywhere.

[Hiraki]

I don't think townGamma takes that bait.

[Hiraki]

Why? Frankly given the antagonism Saud sent his way Day1 and the emotional player Gamma is I find it well within expected Town Gamma reaction.

I don't think Gamma takes something like that from newbie sassy man.

I TR Stefan for alternate reasons. Wall did not help nor hurt tbh.

[Hiraki]

While I am at it, Hiraki why do you agree with the one-on-one between MoI and Grey or the post where MoI stated it?

This isn't ringing any bells. What is this referring to?

What does this mean? "I don't take that from the newbie" would imply I would react in that sort of manner right?

Not really. I can see where your confusion stems though. I'm saying that you wouldn't take the bait from the newbie - as in you'd just drop it.

There are other reasons. You're not anything big right now but IGMEOY. I have bigger fish to fry in Implosion.

Why? Frankly given the antagonism Saud sent his way Day1 and the emotional player Gamma is I find it well within expected Town Gamma reaction.

I think Gamma is emotional when taunted or actually insulted not when given sass.

[Hiraki]

Yeah, you can ignore that. That was me being weird.

[Hiraki]

Come on my man. You should've picked Implosion.

[Hiraki]

I’ll be looking at Hiraki tonight with a scum Flavor flip.

Not necessary. He won't flip red.

[Hiraki]

I don't disagree with you but I don't agree with you either. There were points where you used your inefficiency to bolster why people should think you were town. That's not anything new, that's just bad play.

[Hiraki]

Vibin like usual Grey

[Hiraki]

Don't worry Stefan, listening to his reads is useless.

[Hiraki]

Vote: Implosion

You mean to tell me that you said you had 2 scumreads yesterday and you tracked someone who wasn't either of those?

[Hiraki]

I didn't know you scumread me. I was pretty sure on you tracking Implosion so we could get this day over with quickly.

I don't think shade constitutes criticism of an action that doesn't make a lot of sense. You've never actually scumread Saud, you've said he's done nothing (not disagreeing here) and to me that equates to a null read at best.

[Hiraki]

And for the fact that you've been saying "well he's scummy" there's a fine fine line between saying someone is scummy and someone is scum. Of every person I've played with, I think you'd be the most particular about that, no?

[Hiraki]

Can we do Stefan tomorrow Grey? still on my implosion tunnel

[Hiraki]

MoI v Saud is TvT

PoE pool is Stefan, Grey, Gamma - after Implosion

[Hiraki]

I don't think Implosion replacing out had anything to do with the game. He seems busy overall. The above is laughable.

[Hiraki]

Don't laugh. Tell me why you town read Flavour Leaf :/

Because he was town? What am I supposed to say? His wagon reeked of opportunity and he didn't actually look like he was going to flip scum. For a player that people said was BAD, the foot fit the shoe pretty well.

[Hiraki]

Saud, you're not helping anyone and you're certainly not finding any scum other than out of sheer coincidence.

[Hiraki]

Don't laugh. Tell me why you town read Flavour Leaf :/

Because he was town? What am I supposed to say? His wagon reeked of opportunity and he didn't actually look like he was going to flip scum. For a player that people said was BAD, the foot fit the shoe pretty well.

That seems pretty weak sauce. It's easy to call a mislynch opportunistic in hindsight. Who was scum on his wagon?

I called it one beforehand too but whatever. That would be too hard to explain away so just ignore it, whatever

[Hiraki]

Oh sorry, I see - control F wasn't really helpful for you to read my posts where I defended Flavor day 1 but sure, I just flipped somewhere, right?

[Hiraki]

No shot of me on Flavor.

[Hiraki]

If I vote Flavor and he flips town, will you guys promise to come with me to scumland in Implosion?

[Hiraki]

Do I need to go on or will you just read my posts this time?

[Hiraki]

What? I didn't vote him.

[Hiraki]

I've used that multiple times just to see how dedicated people were on the wagon. Spoiler alert, no one was.

Except, that's not really a spoiler, you could've read that.

[Hiraki]

They really just don't read, do they Grey?

[Hiraki]

Hey - gotta be honest here - are you trying this new style because you're trying to hide your identity? I'll be honest and say that no one cares (unless you're blacklisted!). These questions seem super awkward and just not helpful.

[Hiraki]

Ok, so asking someone how many games they've played...?

[Hiraki]

I don't get how Grey being stubborn (assuming you're correct, I've personally never done it when the person hasn't given some consent to the action), how does that make him scum?

[Hiraki]

This sort of role speculation is extremely scum motivated. My experience is that 90% of the time "weird shit happened at night" is the result of town having little information.

I also agree heavily with these sentiments.

[Hiraki]

Talking about hypotheticals as if they are fact is usually avoided, yes.

[Hiraki]

I don't remember Grey or MoI yelling at anyone. Well, MoI at least. Grey usually shouts.

[Hiraki]

Grey - why are you entertaining this argument about if someone can or cannot issue an action for others?

[Hiraki]

Are you trying to talk to me like I've never played with him before? Lol

[Hiraki]

Honestly, he replaced Gamma. Get a majority and I'll switch.

[Hiraki]

Vote: OTM

[Hiraki]

I still have no idea why Grey must be right about everything.

[Hiraki]

So... He does?

[Hiraki]

If you haven't read everything, then why are you acting like you have?

[Hiraki]

I agree. I kind of voted OMT to see what pressure would do. I didn't like Stefan's almost try hard attempt.

[Hiraki]

So Hiraki talk to me about why Grey was on this list … inquiring minds want to hear your thought process.

That was one of those Hiraki wanted to toss the salad sort of hedges. Not a very good one in hindsight

[Hiraki]

Like, if you are really going to leave, thanks for being a member here...but

You are obviously still watching the site closely, so your message and appeal is complete bunk.

what's the point of being a dick here eh??????????

[Hiraki]

Unvote

Are you fucking serious how did a wagon form

what the FUCK

[Hiraki]

I am out for BLOOD tomorrow. Cheeky does NOT survive.

[Hiraki]

No it wasn't?

[Hiraki]

Votecount 3.3:

OnTheMark (4)

- GreyICE, Hiraki, StefanB, MagnaofIllusion

MagnaofIllusion (1)

- Saudade

Saudade (1)

- CheekyTeeky

Not voting (3)

- Prism, Piplup, OnTheMark

Day 3 now begins. With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline at 8pm on Monday 7th May 2018 (expired on 2018-05-07 20:00:00)

Searching for a replacement for Prism

This is 4 -

The only two votes afterwards is a vote toward you and then an unvote by OTM.

[Hiraki]

Honestly, Cheeky's last two posts about me being scum for calling him out for:

A) ACTUALLY hammering someone without saying anything
B) Calling it a FAKE hammer when it's not

Are just scumclaims at this point.

[Hiraki]

There's no way an actual useful townie would be that daft. This is just a ploy to make it look like a mistake now.

[Hiraki]

Yup, there we go - here comes the appeal. Oh no! I swear I didn't miss that!

[Hiraki]

With my vote being L-2, as much as I want to lynch the fuck out of Cheeky right now, MoI is right and I won't give him an opportunity to not out his result.

[Hiraki]

Your scumread on me involves fake tells, that's more disgusting.

[Hiraki]

Oh...LOL my bad sorry. Let's vote Piplup!

VOTE: Piplup

Whoops - would be a shame to remind you of your own history this game.

[Hiraki]

Saud not now, I have bigger plans for today and you're just delaying things

[Hiraki]

VT idrc who goes next

[Hiraki]

I think the only one left is Prism, no?

[Hiraki]

Riku's last post was on the 2nd. We're getting a replacement, I guarantee it.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Hiraki]

The above is correct. If you have any better reason to vote anyone but Cheeky, this is your one and only shot MoI. I vote right after your post.

[Hiraki]

I tried to track Hiraki last Night.

rude

I don't have the time tonight but his whole "OH MY GOD THAT IS SUPER SCUMMY" post hammer posting stinks of planned bussing writ large. Especially since he was on that wagon and could have easily unvoted well before Cheeky's hammer. If I can cobble together time I really would like to re-read his interactions as he's been softly pushing that slot all game but never when it counted if my memory serves.

When I flip town, just know that it was a genuine reaction. Also consider the fact that I've been on implosion since Day 1. If you want to start thinking that I play planned (which you should be able to look and see that I just don't do that) as scum, then that's a very bad plan. Don't mind if you consider me a bad player, just need to bring all of the cards to the table.

I also don't think Stefan would pull that sort of maneuver. It's gonna be Cheeky and riku/piplup.

Vote: Cheeky

L-2

[Hiraki]

REALLY? ARE YOU SERIOUS? MY VOTE HAS BEEN THERE THE ENTIRE GAME - HOW HAVE I NOT BEEN PUSHING THE IMPLOSION SLOT?

[Hiraki]

THE REASON IMPLOSION ISN'T DEAD IS BECAUSE EVERYONE META TOWN READ HIM AND THEN DID NOTHING ABOUT IT. I AM V SALTY RIGHT NOW

[Hiraki]

I'd like to believe the mod didn't put 2 opposing RBs in a game but I wouldn't put it against him.

[Hiraki]

Yeah, but it's a bit lazy no?

[Hiraki]

when it's not, can you apologize in endgame?

[Hiraki]

It's almost like MoI is assuming that everyone else in the game if they are town is communicating the exact state of their thought process in this game perfectly. And that's just not true of town in general.

Which then continues on into:

The problem is that I'm pretty sure this isn't a tell for MoI and I have no idea how to actually read him, and the push even feels vaguely reminiscent of the last game I played with MoI where we were both town and suspected each other.

AND

And why I don't really understand why he's critical of erika for claiming inability to read him. I just don't know how to interpret any of this with regards to his alignment.

Which from an honesty perspective, I respect this. However, it doesn't ping me the right way. Mostly due to other reasons:

thought i answered this yesterday for some reason.

I'm bored with the day and still think he's scum and never really had the best reasons for unvoting him.

You're willing to go on a full on tangent with MoI to understand his thinking but won't entertain the thought of Flavor Town being town? This post in particular is weird. This is the first quote and then the rest of it is dedicated with a full on dialogue with MoI. Again - there's nothing wrong with that but I don't get how it's fruitful. In writing this, I don't know if it's inherently scummy but it is definitely intrinsically scummy just based off the fact that you're going to throw around walls that at the end of the day may not matter while voting someone off of boredom.

i really just don't know what to think about boon. but he's definitely not out of his scumrange. Literally every piece of self meta he gives is 100% worthless. And I normally actually value selfmeta.

Sprinkle this on and I'm feeling good about something being in this slot.

can't really push on someone who mainly posts 1 liners my guy

[Hiraki]

I LITERALLY got ANGRY at you for not TRACKING IMPLOSION - HOW DOES ME BUSSING HERE MAKE EVEN AN INCH OF SENSE?

[Hiraki]

Why is Stefan so low Saud? Without checking, I thought you and Stefan were mason buddies?

[Hiraki]

Ah, alrighty. I didn't doubt the claim. I kind of saw Piplup on the bottom and agreed with it. Then saw your name and got confused.

Vote: Piplup

[Hiraki]

I feel like Prism is a bad idea for today because I don't get why Prism suggests the kill pattern we've seen. I'm always ready to be wrong here though.

[Hiraki]

Riku doesn't make sense.

[Hiraki]

Ah, alrighty. I didn't doubt the claim. I kind of saw Piplup on the bottom and agreed with it. Then saw your name and got confused.

Vote: Piplup

Unvote right now you idiot.

This also implies that Piplup knows I'm town.

[Hiraki]

Ah, alrighty. I didn't doubt the claim. I kind of saw Piplup on the bottom and agreed with it. Then saw your name and got confused.

Vote: Piplup

Unvote right now you idiot.

This also implies that Piplup knows I'm town.

no? So why would you tell scum to Unvote?

Um...no it doesn't?

[Hiraki]

EBWOP

Ah, alrighty. I didn't doubt the claim. I kind of saw Piplup on the bottom and agreed with it. Then saw your name and got confused.

Vote: Piplup

Unvote right now you idiot.

This also implies that Piplup knows I'm town.

Um...no it doesn't?

No? So why would you say that to someone in your scum PoE?

[Hiraki]

Ok but if you know that there's one scum left, then you need at least one Mason to create a Lynch

This is CLASSIC scum acting as town

[Hiraki]

You rushed into it, thought saying that would look townie and you didn't really think about it

[Hiraki]

Probably should vote you tomorrow

given what MoI said and this disgusting push on me,

though I think it's riku.

You should probably stop talking. It might help?

[Hiraki]

I mean, it's not really a question when you've just admitted there will be a tomorrow if you lynch me or riku.

[Hiraki]

Or rather, to be more precise to your post, that there will be a tomorrow if you lynch riku.

[Hiraki]

Right, which is why you said "vote you tomorrow" because you were going to be lynched today and therefore you would have a vote tomorrow.

I am quite alright in the head, thanks for the subtle jab there.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki, how do hypothetical's make it that Piplup is admitting such a thing?

To general for me to answer or understand.

[Hiraki]

Right...it doesn't make sense...that's the point?

[Hiraki]

Hahaha I missed that post - I'm not going to comment on that. If you think Piplup is actually saying the things he says after he changes them, that's on you. I know Saud and Stefan aren't dumb.

[Hiraki]

"

Town

should probably vote you tomorrow (as Saudade said, and I disagreed with) given what MoI said and your disgusting push on me, despite the fact that (at that moment) I think scum is riku."

[Hiraki]

keep throwing insults

[Hiraki]

Probably should vote you tomorrow given what MoI said and this disgusting push on me, though I think it's riku.

Which one makes more sense from Piplup's perspective:

(I) Probably should vote you tomorrow given what MoI said and this disgusting push on me, though I think it's riku.

OR

(The town) Probably should vote you tomorrow given what MoI said and this disgusting push on me, though I think it's riku.

[Hiraki]

Note that the second doesn't even roll off the tongue because it doesn't sound right. It would be better phrased as The town should probably vote you tomorrow.

[Hiraki]

Yeah, I should use your fixed statement. You even made that change there. Keep calling me ESL though when you're actively changing your words.

[Hiraki]

Yeah, of course it was.

[Hiraki]

Wait..what? I did say that town should probably vote you tomorrow.

Probably should vote you tomorrow given what MoI said and this disgusting push on me, though I think it's riku.

No, you didn't.

[Hiraki]

Right, I'm not repeating myself and arguing with you has been nothing short of misery. I'm done here - probably never playing with you again after this experience.

[Hiraki]

It's wrong btw - please lynch Piplup, who has slipped multiple times, tomorrow.

[Hiraki]

All jokes aside, I didn't feel Hiraki's logic for piplup was right. I did read it in the manner that piplup was intending. I can definitely see the angle that Hiraki was arguing, but in context, it feels hard to read it like that. It definitely seemed like piplup was saying 'After my death, it's probably the best bet to lynch Hiraki'. And then, the argument following. Therefore,

Why couldn't I have just been wrong? What made it scummy?

[Hiraki]

I think we all have some salt one way or another after this game but from the above, I'm gonna give Nexus a shoutout for going above and beyond as mod for the Excellent Moderation award. Not sure if it's "appropriate" but it's not like that's stopped me before. I usually don't care about these sort of things but it popped up in the thread and I read it so I guess I'm sort of obligated now.