Micro 800-A: Double Day Unlimited [Endgame]

Lycanfire · Post Post #475 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2018 8:50 pm

The Probtowns

CES:

I have in my notes that he voted Plot in post 23, but he voted RedFlavor. I loved the vote onto Plot I thought he had because the "all knowledge is worth having" genericshit set off a vein in my head. His vote on RedFlavor isn't nearly as readable, but his one on Dunnstral is good (fuck Dunnstral's new meta). I clapped when he voted Singer, because I was hoping he was picking up on the same tell I thought I had: that Singer was blank voting him to be townread by him. His bullshit detector is working, so unlike in White Flag, he is probably town.

Ausuka:

She fumbles with Singer twice and it was really awful, but when Rosa voted CES Ausuka countered by pushing her in a better direction. Which I liked. She said she wanted to work with Rosa which was pretty consistent with what she was doing. Basically Ausuka did gods work and helped make Rosa's vote more productive, even if she couldn't shake her CES scumread until I caught up on the game.

Dunnstral:

I thought Dunnstral also wanted to work with Rosa and similarly read Ausuka. Seeing him ask to work with Ausuka after Ausuka had nudged Rosa on CES gave me Good Feelings™ about him. Unfortunately Dunnstral is a scumfuck regardless of alignment these days and refuses to town up in order to help his scumgame and I will remind him of it every single game with him that I am in. I feel like he's coming to good conclusions but never says enough.

These are the three people I want to work with the most. Check my work, if you like it, we can talk second scum.

Plotinus · Post Post #476 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2018 8:53 pm

Dunn, why did you hammer singer in 371? What changed betwen 305 and 308 and your hammer?

Plotinus · Post Post #477 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2018 8:57 pm

@Lycan: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/181996 ... rth-having

Lycanfire · Post Post #478 (ISO) » Wed May 16, 2018 10:17 pm

The Trial and Murder of Rosa Luxembourg

The four voters of Rosa drove her up a wall and made her not want to play this game anymore.

In post 383, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Pine
VOTE: Katyusha
VOTE: RedFlavour
VOTE: Plotinus

In post 386, Pine wrote:I want a Not_Mafia lynch above all else.

This "vote everyone" nonsense is blatantly scummy.

VOTE: Not_Mafia
VOTE: Katyusha

Plotinus doesn't take a scum role while Alisae takes the Town role. That doesn't happen. Don't be dumb.

In post 390, Plotinus wrote:I'm gonna reread some stuff now but we should've lynched VOTE: Katyusha.

In post 391, RedFlavor wrote:VOTE: Katyusha
VOTE: Dunnstral

At one point, every active voter of D1L2 was voting Rosa.

You are all scumplaying murderers. Justify your votes, you lame sacks of stew.

The Wagonomics

Votecount 1.2 Pine (4): RedFlavor, Plotinus, Not_Mafia, singersinger

[PINE1]

Votecount 1.7 Katyusha (4): RedFlavor, Not_Mafia, Pine, singersinger

[KATYUSHA1]

Votecount 1.10 singersinger (4): Cogito Ergo Sum, Katyusha, Not_Mafia, Ausuka

[SINGER1]

Votecount 1.12 Katyusha (4): RedFlavor, Pine, Plotinus, singersinger

[KATYUSHA2]

Votecount 1.12 RedFlavor (4): Not_Mafia, Pine, singersinger, Ausuka

[REDFLAVOR1]

Votecount 1.13 singersinger (5): Cogito Ergo Sum, Katyusha, Not_Mafia, Ausuka, Dunnstral

[SINGER2]

Votecount 1.15 Katyusha (4): Not_Mafia, Pine, Plotinus, RedFlavor

[KATYUSHA3]

Votecount 1.16 Pine (4): Not_Mafia, Cogito Ergo Sum, Katyusha, Dunnstral

[PINE2]

We have five players in the same vote bloc: RedFlavor, Pine, Plotinus, Singer. Three of these are bloccing for L2. The other is CES, Katyusha, Dunnstral, Ausuka. NM appears in both of these blocs, because he's voting for everybody.

Ausuka-NM are a third vote bloc that appears only on the RedFlavor wagon.

Vote data for different teams I went through:

Spoiler: Pine+NM

Spoiler: Pine+RF

Spoiler: RF+NM

Spoiler: Pine+Plotinus

Spoiler: NM+Ausuka

Reasons to support a team of Pine and NM

The refusal to counter Rosa with NM is most striking, the lame anti-town read revised to scum later on. If Pine countered himself with NM as a team, the lynch was sure to fall onto scum.

I felt good about this one for awhile, but NM encourages Rosa to hammer in this post

In post 103, Not_Mafia wrote:Come back to me when Pine flips

This team is a hard bus team. Makes me wonder why Pine wouldn't respond in kind, but I do understand why he wouldn't self vote.

Reasons to support a team of Pine and RF

There's some reason support this team, but it's messy. RF was gone a majority of day 1, especially when Pine was put to L-1. Unlike NM, RF unvoted Pine.

Reasons to support RF and NM

This was my next progression. I hit a conclusion when I saw that NM was in all blocs:

if Pine is town, NM is 100% scum.

If Pine is town, there won't be two blocs. They will freely merge. This didn't happen, and we have the same stand off as D1L1. The biggest difference is that NM did cross the line, but then again, he's voting everyone and I have another hypothesis.

Reasons to support Pine and Plotinus

This is my petread. It explains Pine as scum while not countering with NM. The hard townread they have had for one another all day makes no sense at all.

If NM is town, he's doing what I accused Dunnstral of doing, but NM takes it to the extreme. His reads are pretty good, but he acts anti-town to dodge kills and as part of a Slayer's gambit. Plenty of time he just makes an ass of himself, but he's shameless as a player.

No, I'm not just here to shit talk NM.

In post 126, Pine wrote:
Not_Mafia
- "Suspicious, but not strongly". Better than random odds of being scum. Self-serving moves.

Not_Mafia
- Reads mostly as selfish so far. Disdain for the consequences of anti-Town actions, but nothing overtly antagonistic. I really wouldn't want him to last long.

In post 141, Plotinus wrote:
In post 141, Plotinus wrote:Alisae says there can be a wolf in the 42 43 44 interaction between RedFlavor and Pine,
and that NotMafia in 53 could be scum with RedFlavor
, but later e said that on second thought probably both wolves wouldn't go hard against Pine, so probably just one of the two.
I'm leaning towards Redflavor myself because Not Mafia has crossed the bar of actually posting thoughts into the game thread which is encouraging.
E also doesn't like the way singer tries to justify the push on Ausuka in the last paragraph of 68.

In post 142, Pine wrote:Alibae <3

Okay, so I guess I'm not being lynched. Fatalism off, prosecutorial demeanor go.

Katyusha is definitely one of our lynches today. Plot - you're so locktown to me right now I have zero qualms about essentially masonizing you right now. What's your read on Kat?

Not_Mafia, I don't really care if you keep voting me, but please unvote everyone you don't have an actual SR on. This is a Micro, every vote counts. Your full board vote is really SUPER antiTown

I feel like Plotinus told Pine to keep NM around which is why by 142, Rosa becomes the lynch, and Pine continues not to give a shit about anything NM does.

Nobody should have a good read on NM.

That's the point of his play style. If you could townread him, he would act more scummy in order to dodge the NK. It's self-fulfilling. And he's trying. Really hard by being on every wagon.

The lack of a NM counter can be explained by NM simply being town.

He's a net benefit to scum the way he is playing, which scum would ever lynch that, much less, which town would continually call upon him as anti-town thinking this would change anything?

Reasons to support NM and Ausuka

I don't see this as a team and it was the lack team I did wagon data for only because it was an instance of Ausuka merging with bloc1. A team with Ausuka isn't exactly starved for lynch choices.

In conclusion

Pine>Plotinus>NM>RF>Ausuka>All other outliers

Plotinus, NM and RF all fit my criteria I incorrectly applied to singer-

In post 471, Lycanfire wrote:* Pine sits at L-1 for 75 posts between Singer's vote 34 and Pine's post 109. In this time he faced intent from Dunnstral and the awkward in GD meme. I feel like for Pine he doesn't show true survivalism until Rosa comes in and calls him scum based on PoE because one of the votes on him can be pulled off at will. Pine sits at L+1 and the threat is real.

I feel as if Pine only threatens to self vote with his partner already on the wagon. At this point, a Pine lynch is looking inevitable, BUT if it's by a self-vote, Pine's "random-lynch" narrative will evaporate. It wouldn't be a random-lynch, it would be one Pine chose. The discussion moves away from it being a random-lynch and will turn into a discussion of who bussed. I mean, why else would you write it off as being a "random lynch" anyway?

I feel like NM being on all wagons makes him scum if Pine is town.

If I'm wrong on Pine, lynch me, then NM. Day 3 will become a 2:1 LYLO. If the worst damn shit™ happens, let me choose a LYLO controller before lynching me.

Not_Mafia · Post Post #479 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 12:54 am

tl;dr

Pine · Post Post #480 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 3:02 am

Katyusha’s RL problems are not my fault, though she has my sympathy. As for the cogdis argument, it DOES exist. She said one thing and did another. Just because she doesn’t LIKE being called on it doesn’t make me the asshole. Further, SHE was the one who kept rehashing the singer lynch, despite the fact that I got off of it when she became obvTown. And yet, the EXACT same group is lynching me as lynched Singer.

Am I the only one who notices that the Town is split down the middle, with scum clearly taking sides to tip the balance?

If my lynch is what it takes to wake this Town up, fine. After this, you need to follow my reads and singer’s reads, because we were clearly the threat that scum wanted eliminated.

Lycanfire and {Not_Mafia, CES} are the team. I think it’s CES, Mastina thinks N_M. Outside chance of Ausuka, though Mastina no longer agrees.

Fuck this game. The only real Townies are either lurking or run up to lynch by dumbass antiTown behavior.

Deuces.

Dunnstral · Post Post #481 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 3:53 am

In post 475, Lycanfire wrote:Unfortunately Dunnstral is a scumfuck regardless of alignment these days and refuses to town up in order to help his scumgame

This doesn't happen

Dunnstral · Post Post #482 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 3:55 am

In post 476, Plotinus wrote:Dunn, why did you hammer singer in 371? What changed betwen 305 and 308 and your hammer?

My partner wanted her lynched (moreso when I reminded her it was a double day) and pointed out Katyusha wanted her lynched too, plus I felt we weren't getting anywhere and katyusha was sitting at L-1 because of her

Dunnstral · Post Post #483 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 8:10 am

UNVOTE:

I've decided that I only want to lynch Plotinus today

Dunnstral · Post Post #484 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 8:10 am

VOTE: Plotinus

Dunnstral · Post Post #485 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 8:12 am

@LycanFire I think NM is town from the timing of his unvotes feeling right/what he is pushing feeling good, plus his trolly style

ISO · Post Post #486 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 8:12 am

VOTE: Pine

ISO · Post Post #487 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 8:14 am

@Katy; I had fun playing with you and I don't think you were toxic. Take care

@Dunn; I don't see the advantage of lynching Plotinus over Pine.

Pine · Post Post #488 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 11:02 am

Dunnstral

Please stop being dumb

Kthxbai

Cogito Ergo Sum · Post Post #489 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 11:12 am

Do you have any reason for town reading Plot beyond the draft thing, Pine? Because Plot's wiki page literally has the phrase "I like being scum." on it.

Cogito Ergo Sum · Post Post #490 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 11:30 am

In post 471, Lycanfire wrote: *
On the topic of "voting everyone"
, Pine is asked by Plotinus why he did not do it despite saying he himself considered doing so after RedFlavor did infact vote everyone at the start of the game. The action goes from
being dumb
when he supposedly considers doing it, but when forming an opinion of RedFlavor doing it,
it is scummy
. Either it is truly scummy, and Pine bit his tongue by calling it dumb in a very conscious post, or it is dumb, and Pine's motives for suspecting RedFlavor are bunk. Changing his opinion here amounts to voting low hanging fruit. RedFlavor was basically asking for it by egging Pine on-this was before the "more awkward in gd" meme.

I like this point. I don't particularly mind Pine transitioning from thinking of it as dumb to thinking of it as scummy but it seems very sudden and quite flippant.

In post 471, Lycanfire wrote:My conclusion:
Pine is scum.
Rather than scumhunt, he discredits. The word choice used to call NM anti-town and later scum is of note. Being called wrong about the dissonance is [a] "personal attack and credibility assassination".

I also agree that Pine hasn't been scumhunting much in his exchanges with Katya. Especially in the most recent one, Pine seems so focused on himself, reiterating the story he's telling and trying to weaponize the singermislynch that he doesn't even notice the basic question Katya's asking (i.e. why he thought that Singerpost was so townie).

Plotinus, can you talk to me more about your Katyusha and Pine reads? You don't seem to have really commented on them in the last 10 pages; is any part of the Katyavote still a Pinesheep? Can you explain your townread on Pine in a way that might convince someone else?

northsidegal · Post Post #491 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 4:31 pm

CheekyTeeky replaces RedFlavor.

CheekyTeeky · Post Post #492 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 6:15 pm

Ill need to read this game I stopped following after the first few pages. Catchup incoming.

CheekyTeeky · Post Post #493 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 7:49 pm

In post 156, singersigner wrote:
In post 154, Katyusha wrote:
In post 152, Pine wrote:For example, she keeps going on and on about how this is scum!Pine just attacking her without reason or explanation...yet I don't see a vote on me.
again, do you want to be hammered? Right now?
What the fuck

In post 158, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Singer and plot unvoted.

This is scum.

CheekyTeeky · Post Post #494 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 8:08 pm

In post 189, Katyusha wrote:where I flip flopped on which side of rc/mastina vs reck/chesskid to be on like 3 times

<3

CheekyTeeky · Post Post #495 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 8:13 pm

In post 204, Katyusha wrote:for the unaware she's mm4

Omg I love MM4's gut read accuracy. I had no idea.

CheekyTeeky · Post Post #496 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 8:18 pm

In post 205, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Singer, what changed between #173 and #194 that made you decide to vote for Katyusha?

In post 207, singersigner wrote:
In post 205, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Singer, what changed between #173 and #194 that made you decide to vote for Katyusha?
Basically all of her posts in between, lol. Since I started questioning her and not outright townreading her when she declared an early townread on me, it feels like she's using her hydra-buddy to justify a quick change of pace and a scum read on me.

Conflicted about this interaction. Highlighting it for later in my iso. Context is a singer push from Kat which is resistant to wagoning and CES failed to do anything with this, just went back to interacting with others.

Plotinus · Post Post #497 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 9:00 pm

I can't language well enough to be here today. Alisae's been posting a lot of reads and reactions in our PT but I can't really parse any of it right now. I think some of eir reads have changed but the words get all jumbled in my head. I'll be here when I can or we'll swap places.

Plotinus · Post Post #498 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 9:13 pm

talked with Alisae

@Mod: Please swap me and Alisae

Dunnstral · Post Post #499 (ISO) » Thu May 17, 2018 9:32 pm

In post 488, Pine wrote:Dunnstral

Please stop being dumb

Kthxbai

I mean, I'm not voting you?

I'm definitely not voting Lycan, you're not going to convince me on that because I believe I have a good read on Katyusha, If you're town and Lycan is town then Plotinus is probably scum, no?

Ausuka wrote:@Dunn; I don't see the advantage of lynching Plotinus over Pine.

Well I'm going to push my reads now so