Mini Normal 2002: The Thaw OVERRRRRRRRR

[Gamma Emerald]

this took too long
VOTE: Magna
You know what you fucking did

[Gamma Emerald]

W H A T T H E F U C K ?
Which game are you referring too...?

[Gamma Emerald]

Erika I think I just found out your main only from checking who was in all those games. Do you mind if I share with the class?

[Gamma Emerald]

And btw I agree MoI wasn't all that great, I had him pretty locked until Spiffeh decided to unleash the blowback
In addition I think I've finally realized what my counter-argument to people saying my slot was scum should have been. Recall how both me and Transcend (also, fuck that guy) had been SRing one of the scum that was lynched the first two days, but only one head was doing so? The argument I should have used was why did we not fully invest in our bus if we were bussing?
PEdit: since you're being open with it, I think you're Titus, I believe that's the only common player in all those games

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, less chat. More Titus votes.

y

[Gamma Emerald]

...how did you even join this game?

[Gamma Emerald]

Like I'd say Erika is RC but she the timelines don't add up
PEdit: wtf Hoopla why do you hate Erika so much
also wtf is with you just hounding me down and trying to get me to follow you

[Gamma Emerald]

A Town Loss is where town handed the win for free, simply by the act of imploding onto each other. Its hard to look at that game and that MoI deserved the win when Town for the most part had imploded in the game.

i feel very attacked rn

quiet you, this is between my and Erika currently

[Gamma Emerald]

I wonder if the mod would let me tag out for my own "anime" alt

[Gamma Emerald]

why are you not listening to Erika here when she talks about not being titus

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean you totally had me locked and on the ropes with that L-1 wagon and thank god Spiffeh bailed me out ... oh wait

OK now I feel like you're insecure, like do you have to devalue everything I do right?

[Gamma Emerald]

Guys it’s an RC alt not a Titus alt

in addition this isn't possible as the game filled before RC's ban ended

[Gamma Emerald]

Who do you think is scum atm?

atm just a mild suspicion of Hoopla for buddying and his weird insistence on calling Erika Titus
VOTE: Hoopla
strongest SR currently so

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't understand how people don't realize that Erika is a Spiffeh alt.

oh my god if that's true I will crack the biggest smile

[Gamma Emerald]

Very interesting reaction Gamma – you’ve just gotten done devaluing my play in Thing Mafia and when I give a rather friendly jab back you respond with this. How is that at all “devaluing everything you do”?

Dude your jab didn't come off as friendly bro, it came off as real
but hey I'll take your word for it

[Gamma Emerald]

did we seriously just have a page 4 hammer

[Gamma Emerald]

Flavor is at L-1
I s2g if someone hammers I will turbo policy them d2

[Gamma Emerald]

just do it why would a town player self vote ever in his life

to call you surface level would be an insult to the ground floor
surrender? trolling? idk some whacked ass reason? I've self-voted as town too many times imo
and in fact you thinking it's a scum thing tells me you know absolutely jack about Flavor (also known as boonskiies) and self-voting. He did it so much as town for a time it became a borderline trust tell. So like, your read is wrong on so many levels
PEdit: orrrr Fong's gambit

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Saudade
alright if he's supposed to know this shit I'm not gonna play "dumb or scum?" with him, I'll just take it as scum since dumb is out of the window

[Gamma Emerald]

It's mostly just that it's an incredibly overblown reaction to a degree that it just doesn't feel like something he'd actually think/say?

well I was kinda trying to imitate something from an offsite game posted by GBT so that could explain it
also me not wanting what I perceived to be a lolwagon to get hammered because people were uninformed

[Gamma Emerald]

just do it why would a town player self vote ever in his life

to call you surface level would be an insult to the ground floor
surrender? trolling? idk some whacked ass reason? I've self-voted as town too many times imo
and in fact you thinking it's a scum thing tells me you know absolutely jack about Flavor (also known as boonskiies) and self-voting. He did it so much as town for a time it became a borderline trust tell. So like, your read is wrong on so many levels
PEdit: orrrr Fong's gambit

VOTE: Saudade
alright if he's supposed to know this shit I'm not gonna play "dumb or scum?" with him, I'll just take it as scum since dumb is out of the window

Referring more to these.

P-Edit: Oh hey nice I'm explaining now that I'm not on a phone want to stop spewing shit that's accomplishing nothing now or are you hoping to set a precedent for how the rest of this game is going to go?

oh these
the first line of the first post is actually taken from a YouTube disstrack. I used it because their analysis was so newbish I was rather upset. As for the rest of that post, I don't see anything wrong with it. The second post is me using some Mathdino style thinking. Technically it should be newb in place of dumb but either way the fact Flavor states Sawdaddy should know that it's not a scum thing for them tells me Sawdaddy is deliberately ignoring Flavor's actual meta for an opportunistic push

[Gamma Emerald]

I always want to lynch you. Like every time I want to day 1 lynch you.

You trigger me.

But you know I'll blossom into a beautiful tree* once we get some claims and flips in the game.

*not my best metaphor

just don't get stumped

[Gamma Emerald]

Do people like, buy flavor's claim?
I really don't.

idk about it? I think they claimed similarly in some game but idk which

[Gamma Emerald]

111 Alternative: Newbie.

I went over this and yeah it could be newb except for the fact Flavor stated Saudade legit knows about it already

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually I don't know. I'm gonna have to check that game Flavor mentioned (but for some reason has not linked...)

[Gamma Emerald]

To be fair, Saudade very well knows the kind of player I am, so it’s extremely suspicious of his “why” question

Okay this is actually really vague
what do you mean by "he knows what type of player you are"?

[Gamma Emerald]

Keely is Cheetory

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't really know what the meta situation is but I still dislike how surface level he's been

[Gamma Emerald]

Flavour:
Hm, first impresion is he known as a VI?
The thing that makes the most impresion is voting himself(to L-1 I believe have not checked) and claiming VT at the same post.
I understand the intent to autolynch him.
But since you are questioning me, what do you think about Hoopla and MoI?

Flavor is not a VI ohmygod

[Gamma Emerald]

nah stefan that's prefectly fine to not check, you're not obligated to keep track of every little thing

[Gamma Emerald]

MoI I think that's keely's whole point

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma the only surface player right now in here is you

You legit cannot say this when you're arguing shit like "all self-voters are scum". Would love to see what you think is surface level of mine though.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think Flavor is completely out of his scum range
in fact there's the possibility I might end up suspecting him if something doesn't turn up right
I am in particular agreement with that last paragraph of yours keely, and I'm definitely not happy with myself for just sheeping with 0 fact-checking

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma the only surface player right now in here is you

You legit cannot say this when you're arguing shit like "all self-voters are scum". Would love to see what you think is surface level of mine though.

I'm voting mafia and you're voting town, that's all there is to it really.

This isn't surface level in the slightest from me, but it's super surface level from you to think that logic holds any water
and sure you can say what you want but you're also fucking wrong

[Gamma Emerald]

Wow what a fucking bitch you are, trying to end it before I get my chance to roast you
first off you having to call me "most 100% wrong" is fucking childish. Second you still haven't demonstrated in the slightest how what I'm doing is wrong.
Now I don't care if we end it, you've already made yourself look like a bitch

[Gamma Emerald]

maybe I should take a small break
I might be enticed to vote flavor at this point

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean maybe it's in his meta, you know what I think of living on meta. This is some real "fuck you I'm town" shit right here. Meanwhile FlavorFlav can't be giving anyone good vibes, right?

Why is it not something scum could fake?

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean maybe it's in his meta, you know what I think of living on meta. This is some real "fuck you I'm town" shit right here. Meanwhile FlavorFlav can't be giving anyone good vibes, right?

Why is it not something scum could fake?

what reason do you have to death tunnel me like an ape?
is it because I've hurt your feelings somewhere?

I'll back off if he provides good reasons. He hasn't yet so no backing off.

[Gamma Emerald]

He refers to GreyICE, nice discredit

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma and Saudade talk to me about MoI please.
This is distracting and preferibly, I would like you two to vote there.

I think I'm kinda on the fence with them? Like I don't think Magna being quiet is a scum thing because weren't they loud af in The Thing Mafia? But I haven't seen anything particularly impressive and for some reason remember having a gut scumread on them

[Gamma Emerald]

how are they being scummy then

[Gamma Emerald]

I can also be convinced on saudade but like idk man. I think he's towntold in this game sort of irrespective of meta. I need more reasoning on why the meta trumps that.

talk with me about this
I think you might be town rn
also I'm probably going to sit on the sidelines wrt MoI for a bit longer because yeah the points seem true but like it's not compelling

[Gamma Emerald]

MagnaOfIllusion(11), Gamma Emerald(41), Hoopla(15)
post which line made you think that im mafia with a decent enough thought process or get spanked tbh

It's not one post, it's a body of work read.
your posts try to act like you're such a victim but it feels completely devoid of genuineness. Like this.

Bet I made it really easy for you guys to make a "case" on me to vote me collectively

The point being made here is that Saudade did something a bit dumb and everyone is hopping on him for it. However it's completely tone-deaf in execution, making it sound very forced.

[Gamma Emerald]

He doesn't seem especially interested in being townread, his investigation into his wagon feels genuine.

These both don't feel true, what makes you say these things?

[Gamma Emerald]

idk it might be the fact his avatar makes me read his posts in a monotone

[Gamma Emerald]

your current avatar makes your posts feel energetic

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey I tested it on myself, avatar does have an effect on perception of posts
let's try something, saudade change your avatar and I'll reread your iso, if it feels different I'll auto-unvote, if it feels similar my vote remains
PEdit: maybe but he sure looks bored af in your avatar

[Gamma Emerald]

okay yeah I turned off avatars and his posts don't feel so dull tone-wise
UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd know what I think of him if he'd answer my question I'd asked him earlier

[Gamma Emerald]

Your entire opinion off him depends on one question?

no but it will help shape my opinion

[Gamma Emerald]

One scumhunts by avatars, the other just lynches whoever he dims expendable

I've seen better strategies in my newbie games

Okay I never said I scumhunted by avatar
I only said your avatar influenced how I read your posts

[Gamma Emerald]

@gamma - idk what questions you’re talking about

I was asking what Saudade should have known about you

[Gamma Emerald]

ugh there's a problem with that response but I'm fucking tired, see y'all in the morning

[Gamma Emerald]

you've mentioned that Gamma is playing a surface game

are you just gonna take his word for that?

[Gamma Emerald]

you've mentioned that Gamma is playing a surface game

are you just gonna take his word for that?

Yes, I always question people about things that I trust them implicitly on.

Are you paranoid people might not town read you?

I'm trying to get you to think critically because my play is very much not surface level and you just following him on that pisses me off

[Gamma Emerald]

So me questioning him is me "just following him"?

Walk me through that one, Gamma. How does this work in your head?

Were you questioning him on that statement? If so I'm fine with it and I just had a hair-trigger.

[Gamma Emerald]

okay thanks
surface level means it's not actually displaying depth of thought, which is how I felt about Saudade's treatment of the self-vote and Saudade responded with what is basically ad hominem mixed with deflecting, attacking my play as surface level rather than describe how his play isn't.
I feel like this is kinda a mini-case on Saudade

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk I kinda think that a role could exist with all those elements vaguely but yeah I think I'd be down for that
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[Gamma Emerald]

maybe it doesn't fit the whole descprition over all but like loyal something-or-other could work to be investigative and possibly negative utility
Pedit what is that post trying to say greyICE

[Gamma Emerald]

A VT weak investigative role that's confusing in a normal?

you seem to have fallen out of the times of the current meta, the kids are calling it a 'neapolitan' these days

Didn't you have in your sig once some quote about people demanding variants of vanilla cop

[Gamma Emerald]

the quote was something like "today's modern mafia consumer demands hundreds, nay, thousands of variants of vanilla cops" but i think it was a quote from me. I think someone else (maybe EP?) sigged it.

yeah that's correct
also @GI I guess that might be surface level but I still feel like there's some role that fits within those parameters
the thing is I also think it's so waffly that even though in theory that's possible I still feel like there an inherent scum motivation of creating a confusion for a later claim

[Gamma Emerald]

Lynching Flavor Leaf guarantees a town loss. Even when I’m scum. Kind of a catch 22.

No it doesn't.

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe more recently, but I know fora fact you got lynched in mini 1931 and scum lost

[Gamma Emerald]

eeeeeeeeh ya know what fuck it I'm just going to heavily adovcate for lynching MoI if he is still alive the day before LyLo and ignore the slot till I can actually get in a headspace to gamesolve.
{Gamma, Saudade, Implosion, Cheetory, CoA}
{Stefan, GreyICE, Flavor Leaf} - with the caveot that I am literally 100% ok with Flavor Leaf dieing because Boon, Gamma, and Saudade literally make me want to replace out and Boon's playstyle is like, always terrible}
{Hiraki}
{Hoopla, Prism, MoI}

Actually
now that I think about it.
I like this
VOTE: Prism
idunno I think they would have more stances then Gamma is town and I feel like this could easily be the coasting lurking deepwolf here.

idunno I've played with Prism!scum three times total and like I think that kinda resembles what I've seen of his scumplay

[Gamma Emerald]

since when am I a strong scumplayer

since you won your first scumgame? idgi how you don't see the connection

[Gamma Emerald]

I man people had the same reaction to Mulch so it's not surprising

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually have faked being angry as scum but it failed horribly imo
I'm kinda facing a bit of information overload with this game rn, lots of substantial posts going after people

[Gamma Emerald]

why?

[Gamma Emerald]

The large number if Singleton vanity votes. Since Flavor has been the leading wagon there really has only been one even middling counter wagon attempt - me. Scum have made no significant effort to find another lynch. If Flavor was scum and he’s being bussed there would be a stronger effort to get the Bus pushed through for Town cred. Instead we get neither and a weak wagon with a large number of people sitting on solo off votes waiting for momentum to end Flavor.

Willing to bet at least one of the solo votes is scum.

The people being vanity voted or the people vanity voting?
but yeah I think that's a fair assessment
UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

srage 1 of Prism meta check complete, 2-3 checks remain

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma: What meta are you checking for Prism?
I know she feels different than the last time she played, where she was town.

3 scum games and a town game
Mini 1838
Mini 1853
Mini 1868
Mini 1906

[Gamma Emerald]

the fuck
you aren't accounting for possible doubt/paranoia from the fact you've dunked me before?

[Gamma Emerald]

My problem with Cheet is the implicit assumption I was scum from the start with no real basis.

It was more meant to be a line of inquiry and a push/challenge. I don't expect every vote from someone to have amazing reasoning with cited posts, but if you're going to be voting for someone who has no votes on them when people are getting close to lynching I would expect either:
i) You asking for more time to catch up.
ii) You trying to convince people if you think you're onto something.

Reading my post in a vacuum I still don't think there's any real basis for this. My first real post of the game which gave a broad overview on multiple players and multiple conversations is no indicator that ii) isn't to come or that I didn't want to do this. The double standard here in regards to his own play here is again pretty striking.

Upon revealing that my intent was a mix of wanting to see the cogs turning underneath Cult's posts and getting others to doubt their townreads there, the conversation more shifted towards "Oh, well it's just a worthless placeholder then". I have a really hard time buying that I am the only player who utilizes votes as more than a tool for a lynch.

Shit like "I look forward to reading your stance on MoI/Imp" is more focused on keeping me in the rails and under control than it is earnestly trying to see what I come up with.

This post akes me think Prism is town, it's showing a lot of the sam focus I saw in his towngame I had with him

[Gamma Emerald]

Prism any thoughts on my read on you

[Gamma Emerald]

Prism’s hella townie.

I feel like I’m on the right track with my reads I posted this page.

Those guys are making solid points, yes, but it feels like they’re targeting the flaws in town people’s plays rather than scum pushing them, if that makes sense.

Flavor/Prism/Gamma townblock?

[Gamma Emerald]

MOI is townie to me as well, along with Stefan. They’ve been doing some anti scum agenda things, and I don’t think any of the stuff they’ve done gives any sort of town cred in a way where it’s worth it.

Yeah I agree with these plus MOI just hasn't been ringing the same way he did in The Thing Mafia, like he a sort of arrogance there?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah there's the thing: I'd mistaken their towngame for their scumgame, asked some leading questions, and Prism suspected me for doing that. Here it seems he's picking at the same things, so it's +town points for him

[Gamma Emerald]

stefan case feels good but I'm gonna sit on it for a bit

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, why haven't you voted anyone for the last 5 pages?

because I'm not sure where I want to vote. A lot of the cases I've seen sound pretty good.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Erika Furudo
I actually think MOI might have a point here and find it strange he isn't pushing it more

[Gamma Emerald]

@Cheetory, Hiraki, Implosion, Gamma: Which way do you want to go? You're the players I think are doing the best and the overall strongest, and I'd like to work with you. I think lynching MOI is negative EV for today (as my wife would say), because even if I think there's a 60% chance he's scum, the scum will STILL end up shooting him if we're wrong.

That's not how I feel about myself. I got into I childish fight with Saudade and while I have townreads that I trust I have minimal assurance in my scumreads. I'm not really arguing to lynch MOI, in fact I gave a townread on him which hasn't really changed. If I had to pick a direction to go besides Erika, Hoopla is probably what I'd pick, their posting kinda feels empty to me.

[Gamma Emerald]

but claiming to be obvtown just highlights your insecurity about your own (scum) role

dont make me repeat myself again

this is very wrong my friend

[Gamma Emerald]

There’s scum in Hoopla, Cheetory, and Implosion. 100 Hundo based on wagons.

Cheetory and Implosion have both played up where I see them as better off giving them time, and they aren’t optimal.

StefanB scum pushes are bad.

It’s cool you don’t care about that one at all anymore, though.

My town read on Grey is gone. I don’t believe Grey is this poor a player.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf
This feels like scum flavor

[Gamma Emerald]

cute that you picked Hoopla

[Gamma Emerald]

cute that you picked Hoopla

It’s the correct lynch. I’m a little timid about it considering both Cheetory and Implosion went on it, but the Grey posting’s made me more secure. Especially since the others on me are Gamma and Saudade.


As of this moment, I’m guessing Grey/Hoopla/Gamma.

I don’t expect that to be correct, but if I get that right, imma still take credit for it.

hahaha rip u and your political reads

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, you know what, fuck it. I've taken a break, I've cooled off. And the more I look at it, the more this looks like a classic GreyICE mislynch target.

- Irritating player.
- Playing mechanically poorly
- Fakeclaim shenanigans
- Boom, trap card
- "FUCK YOU I DON'T GIVE A SHIT"
- "Cases are for people who give fucks, instead here's a magnifying glass so you can view my erect penis in all its glory"
- "I'm just going to make shit up because you annoy me!"

Uh, sometimes this does flip scum, I don't want to undersell it. But man, people like cult showing up to just say "either wagon works" scares me.

Vote: StefanB

I'll try to be the bigger person. This was my actual good read, and fuck it.

Although if anyone wants to flash wagon CultofAthena at this point, well, you say the word and I will join that shit so fast you don't even understand what I mean. That vote and that ISO are a lot scarier than I was giving it credit for.

I could go for COA

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: CultOfAthena
I feel like this vote is good

[Gamma Emerald]

there is a 10/13 chance stefan is town

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t like this composition really, but I didn’t like Cult’s vote and made me uneasy about the Hoopla wagon.

This is the epitome of a compromise wagon. But I think it’s telling

VOTE: Flavor

ISO Flavor and do a search for Cult. Notice how there is a complete lack of mentioning Cult in any capacity until this vote.

Then decide - does it really make sense that Flavor is "bothered" by Cult's vote when he has expressed zero worry about him previous and said vote is on Hoopla who is supposedly one of Flavor's top scum reads?

Nah, don't think so.

my take on this is: so what if he hasn't comment, CoA has been lurking so there's not much to comment on

[Gamma Emerald]

lolshade

[Gamma Emerald]

I agree that I'm lurking, yes - I don't believe I've actually seen an explanation as for why it makes me scum, however. At the moment I have real life issues I need to deal with. On that note,

@Mod: I will be VLA until Sunday

btw on this lurking isn't AI but wolfy pop-ins are, which you seem to have been doing, at least with that last vote before this post

[Gamma Emerald]

well that was interesting, I remember bins hosting a game where it was just wolves, and since it's a red flip I think that's the case

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh and I can finally explain the Hoopla townread, because her fucking game ended!

Are you talking about the C9++, because I was actually scumreading her off that game, but yeah Hoopla is town

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't really want to lynch MoI. On-wagon kill implies off wagon scum and all that.

[Gamma Emerald]

btw

@UCV

can we can an official end of day 1 votecount?

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes I am town
and Mathdino taught me that so bring that up with him when you can

[Gamma Emerald]

Any tell like that becomes worthless upon contact with the enemy. For instance a you/MOI scumteam might shoot a universal town read on the wagon for exactly that reason.

So talk to me. Your vote stayed on Saudade so long it rotted. Then it flipped over to Flavor Leaf when it looked like he was going down, then was around midway to later on the cult wagon. Today you're not voting. So... what are you thinking. I haven't exactly been overwhelmed by your presence in this game if I'm being honest.

Saudade was a tunnel and I will admit that. I don't think Flavor Leaf was going down? And also I feel like there were more votes than you are acknowledging. As for what I'm thinking right now I might start poking at players who opposed the CoA wagon for some reason or another

[Gamma Emerald]

Vote: Gamma Emerald

I'm going to leave this here then.

How about you explain what you took issue with instead of shitting out a vote

[Gamma Emerald]

wait is Piplup confirmed to be an Eddie alt?
Also why do you mention LLD?

[Gamma Emerald]

If we're talking "weird kills that work out" Flavor is probably the first person you should be looking at in this playerlist

[Gamma Emerald]

um cheeto is dead

[Gamma Emerald]

And he flipped Vanilla Town. Correct?

Uh yea I think so

[Gamma Emerald]

Uh yea I think so

So, what was your point with that comment?

I thought you might not have realized that

[Gamma Emerald]

Grey – I am ready and willing to 1v1 you today if you’d like. With a Day 1 scum lynch I think there is room to prove your scum read on me is manufactured even if it takes me being lynched as long as the rest of the Town sends you down the line right afterwards.

So, to be clear here. You think that Grey spearheaded the lynch on one of his partners when there were other options? To, what end?

Yeah I'm definitely of the same mind: if Grey is scum, even if one of (Hoopla, Flavor) is scum, one has to be town.

[Gamma Emerald]

You started to feel the pressure of my Third Degree Boon, and you started pushing me because you felt that, and I hadn’t completely committed to it, even though it wasn’t incredibly obvious I was leaning scum on you.

Oh my god did you just come up with this or had I just not seen it? This is great wordplay.

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly I don't remember Saudade doing anything recently and that kinda worries me, they felt very active to start, they may be playing scum rb style

[Gamma Emerald]

The game was paused for like, a long time and beforehand my wagon on Flavor has failed so I kinda lost interest at the closure days of day1

why didn't the scumflip get you excited?

[Gamma Emerald]

The game was paused for like, a long time and beforehand my wagon on Flavor has failed so I kinda lost interest at the closure days of day1

why didn't the scumflip get you excited?

I saw the scumflip like, 2/3 days ago? you want me to fake excitement or something lol its been days

I would expect a little more enthusiasm but like you're bitching about your pet wagon falling to the wayside in favor of lynching scum? wtf? Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Saudade
I'm fine with this

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Saudade
I'm fine with this

Petty

Not petty, but done with your shit
Your entry feels like scum who are struggling to get into the game, and as a player who as scum has had that issue before I feel like I'm a bit of an authority on that subject

[Gamma Emerald]

The interaction between Erika and COA was paper thin. Paper fucking thin.

I remember the first game I played with you, you drove me nuts. It was ASOIF and I hated everything you posted. It was nonsensical, it was absurdist, reading it made my eyes bleed. None of it made a lick of sense. I didn't understand how someone could write so much and analyze so little.

Then I played other games with you and you became one of my favorite players. Deep thoughts, good analysis, really, really centered play that pointed out things I never thought of. Like things I wouldn't have thought of in a week of analysis. The difference was night and day. Or, if you will, green and red.

Vote: MagnaofIllusion

Yeah no you need to describe how MoI is not playing like that if that's your argument

[Gamma Emerald]

Noting this could be scum or extremely lazy town.

there are reasons to scumread Saudade but this is not one

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Saudade
I'm fine with this

Petty

Not petty, but done with your shit
Your entry feels like scum who are struggling to get into the game, and as a player who as scum has had that issue before I feel like I'm a bit of an authority on that subject

hahahahahahahahahaha

If you care about not getting lynched you'll actually defend instead of making fake-looking statements meant to look like you don't care

[Gamma Emerald]

Lanky Kong, from the N64 game, DK64.

I'm like halfway to the punchline on this one, what's the upshot

[Gamma Emerald]

Implosion is town because of agenda.
MOI stalls a lot when he doesn’t have to, so he isn’t pushing scum agenda.
Saudade in the last scum game, he found ways to go onto other wagons and make sense of it, so his tunneling looks more like newbtown than scum to me.

explain his fucking entry

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, if I end up being the lynch, and then I flip town, I expect you to do the same.

100% I will.

And this is not a town thing to do.

meh I think I disagree

[Gamma Emerald]

I said they. It was referring to the gamestate...you’re just looking for things to paint me in a bad picture.

BS. At least own up to it. The "gamestate is inherently scum oriented."

Come on.

I don't see what you're talking about

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi, Gamma. We're not going to lynch Saudade today. Please vote Flavor Leaf.

Yeah I might listen to FL but I don't really have any faith in your read there yet

[Gamma Emerald]

Cases are scummy and overrated. I'm not tunneling (remember when you shaded me for the recent GreyICE and MagnaofIllusion thing?). I'm posting thoughts, stances, and the reasons for them. If you want me to make a 2000 word dissertation to support, that will never happen.

I do strongly think you are scum, and, you are where I want my vote today.

Hm if Piplup is an alt I have a theory of who their main might be

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma - help me out. you know I could give much better and more consistent reads here if I were scum.

rn I'm townreading you, I don't think I've ever stated a scumread on you directly this dayphase

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, if I end up being the lynch, and then I flip town, I expect you to do the same.

100% I will.

And this is not a town thing to do.

meh I think I disagree

You think it’s a town thing to self vote yourself after a mislynch?

I agree that the deal itself is likely coming from overconfident town, though. But the act of it isn’t something town should do based on the wincon factor.

In that scenario, i wouldn’t even want Piplup to actually self vote if they were town and wrong because that lowers my chance at winning. I’d just want him to reanalyze he game

Yeah this is about it. Him doing it wouldn't be towny, but given his experience level (unless he's an alt) I feel like him saying he'd take the offer is towny

[Gamma Emerald]

Saudade I'm actually willing to reconsider you if you post why you came in this game day being defeatist

[Gamma Emerald]

I wasn't a defeatist I actually came into this day with a half of an open mind giving flavor a chance.. alas you cannot change what you roll

That's not what I saw as defeatist, I saw you not getting your wagon over a scum lynch and complaining about it as defeatist

[Gamma Emerald]

I wasn't a defeatist I actually came into this day with a half of an open mind giving flavor a chance.. alas you cannot change what you roll

That's not what I saw as defeatist, I saw you not getting your wagon over a scum lynch and complaining about it as defeatist

To be fair I'd be a lot more happy coming into this day had we lynched Flavor day one and he flipped, I'd feel.. accomplished?

Okay this makes sense to me actually, you would feel okay if you had pushed your read to lynch even if it hadn't flipped scum since you'd feel like you impacted the game
I think I'll probably follow what Flavor said about you since I felt his points for town!you were pretty good
UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

Implosion is fosing Stefan***********************************************

uhh where's this edit button someone teach me how to

you can't edit posts in a game

[Gamma Emerald]

Implosion is fosing Stefan***********************************************

uhh where's this edit button someone teach me how to

you can't edit posts in a game

What do you think about Flavor trying to casually pocket you

I'd already been townreading him, and that didn't look like his plan? Like it looked like he was nursing a scum read on me

[Gamma Emerald]

You don't deserve a pet, Prism

lolwut
this kinda feels like a town post

[Gamma Emerald]

prism pls sleep

I'm honestly with this like you seem a bit worn out and you need your rest
not like I'm one to talk, I stayed up all night last night

[Gamma Emerald]

meh I think the last time I saw him this furious was either in a newbie I was speccing or evoker

[Gamma Emerald]

curious how the topic died for the last couple of days

[Gamma Emerald]

GreyIce
178 asked Erica about the read of him
247: Questioning Ericas read on him again

I looked at stefan's listing of interactions and this looks questionable, need to inspect Erica's read there

[Gamma Emerald]

my general thoughts on that whole sequence of posts from Prism is that it comes from the "town who is fed up with scum's shit" side of him. I've seen that behavior once or twice before and I feel like that's it.
As for reads I'm intending to use the info from stefan's work to draw some conclusions, as evidenced by my last post
thinking you're town though on top of my established townreads on implosion and prism

[Gamma Emerald]

actually that analysis feels so weak from stefan, why didn't he raise any objections about more involved things like what I noted, his analysis seems so surface level
can someone who stated a townread on stefan for that wall tell me why it was so good?

[Gamma Emerald]

looks like he's using fancy prose to say Saud is either wrong or scum

[Gamma Emerald]

the third and fifth lines also seem of interest, the third one is a reference I don't get and the fifth is a little harsh

[Gamma Emerald]

hrm seems like he's trying to convinve saudade to follow him onto implosion? idk I think I've picked the bones clean at this point

[Gamma Emerald]

Why? Frankly given the antagonism Saud sent his way Day1 and the emotional player Gamma is I find it well within expected Town Gamma reaction.

I don't think Gamma takes something like that from newbie sassy man.

I TR Stefan for alternate reasons. Wall did not help nor hurt tbh.

What does this mean? "I don't take that from the newbie" would imply I would react in that sort of manner right?

[Gamma Emerald]

kinda feeling like Grey is town based on what I saw in the actual posts stefan referred to

[Gamma Emerald]

I picked Hoopla because that was one of my biggest scum reads yesterday, and I had the least reasons to back Hoopla up out of my scum reads. If you check my posts, I immediately changed my reads on Hoopla this day phase, and during all my explanations on all my reads, I left Hoopla out of nearly ALL of them.

I also said Lanky Kong from DK 64. A voice line he CONSTANTLY says when he’s jumping is HOOLA HOOP!

I thought you'd targeted Saudade, cos ngl I thought you were talking about the "he's got no style, he's got no grace" thing.

[Gamma Emerald]

what the fuck

[Gamma Emerald]

Loyal MD is pretty much a better cop, since you only get results if you target townies. I'd say I can't believe the mini normal review committee would allow an upgraded cop into the game, but I've proven to have literally zero understanding of the current mini normal review committee. My impression is that they couldn't balance a brick on farmer's field, since the shit they've thrown out as "fine" literally hurts me.

I believe MOI's claim 110% for the record.

loyal has it's own layer of wifom if attached to an investigative though. I can definitely tell you loyal isn't as strong as you think here.

[Gamma Emerald]

I’ll be looking at Hiraki tonight with a scum Flavor flip.

Not necessary. He won't flip red.

MOI could be scum Tracker who thought I was town fakeclaiming.

That’s a pretty decent scum move to give credit to a tracker claim. I could see him doing it.

What indicator would there be for that? You telling me it's MoI and Hoopla?

[Gamma Emerald]

So whoever is scum thinks it is more important to kill people confirmed off of interactions. Seems worth noting.

[Gamma Emerald]

Exactly. It's not unreasonable but a curious call. And yeah those would be nice.

[Gamma Emerald]

I need to replace out sorry

[Gamma Emerald]

So why was Mark lynched...?

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I put 'no result' which I meant "he went nowhere" rather than "you were blocked."

I think that is my bad.

This reinforces my belief:

We need standardization of the difference between no result and no visit!

I've had to pull teeth on this point so many time across several games! It needs to be done!

[Gamma Emerald]

I forgive you. As it is, I believe it shall be the catalyst for greater change!

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, but it should be standardized in themes as well imo

[Gamma Emerald]

Sure but there are some things that need policing, that is one imo
I think I know what angle I'm going to pursue in the future on this issue though