Labyrinth Mafia (Endgame)

[the worst]

VOTE: Reality Check

I love that kitty!!!!

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Very fascinating.

I think you omitted the most interesting part of her post.


VOTE: Reality Check

[the worst]

u have no POWER OVER ME

[the worst]

The worst gets it.

I will be there for you

[the worst]

bruuuuuuh

im so stoned rn

watch labyrinth
???
profit

your brother is the love of my life btw

[the worst]

Do you do hydra sign offs btw?

[the worst]

thank you <3
nice to play with you again
both of you actually

[the worst]

VOTE: the worst
hello? do i know you?

LOL sorry
great to see you too sajj <3

[the worst]

I was laughing at myself, my own stupidity >;

[the worst]

yeah ok the future father of my ducklings has his issues..... >:

[the worst]

VOTE: Joral probs

[the worst]

Who's there

[the worst]

Trusting you to be town here Creature
I need my hydra buddy back

[the worst]

this doesn't sound like town creature yet.
ok lemme do some critcialt thniknig!!!

[the worst]

So far, it looks like Joral, Reality Check, and the worst are tied at 2 each. Shoshin's got 1, and everyone else is clear for now.

Hey wait... how'd I get there...

can we vote this yet

WHEMESTAR
why did you make this post without acknowledging Brawl saying the exact same thing and voting a few posts beforehand?
Brawl kinda crumbed asking you the same quesiton but I am more obnoxiouser

[the worst]

Hi guys, I’m looking forward to this game.

Nancy out of respect for your play, I am going to suggest this is a bald-faced LIE.
what do you make of joral and their wagon?

VOTE: Reality Check

I love that kitty!!!!


I HAVE INFORMATION WHICH I CANT REVEAL.. ITS GOING TO HURT THE GAME.

@every1 thoughts on just asking Arc to claim the negative utility?

[the worst]

Did we leave the boring phase?

no clue in which phase we are now but it does seem boring

p.edit oh, looks like the boring part is over

hard disagree I literally can't think of anything else to talk about
what's your take so far Sajjy?

[the worst]

you're kinda parking reality check as we slowly drift out of rvs~
what do you think of them so far?

[the worst]

The worst gets it.

VOTE: joral

VOTE: Joral probs

huh.

actually didn't look into TPFKAP

@TPFKAP I'm gonna need a bit of elaboration about what you were thinking when you made 63
I think 45 was fine, I'm kinda not on the same page but *shrug*

I'll reserve judgement on Creature.
I was recently in a large with him, had overseas family in town so couldn't really participate much for the first 4-5 irl days.
he was the first one to pick me for town (he was right), and we jammed really well.

[the worst]

what's your take on wheme so far?

[the worst]

Who's there?

I'd say the whole neighborhood.

...No?

Okay, one final go then.

Knock, knock.

who's there?

[the worst]

UNVOTE:

[the worst]

firmly attached to my neck, which sits atop my shoulders
wbu?

[the worst]

want more from wheme nancy and creature honestly

thoughts on Arc hardsofting negative utility?

[the worst]

actually

VOTE: shoshin

great vote
VOTE: shoshin

[the worst]

want more from wheme nancy and creature honestly

this is a pretty good summary of my current take on gamestate

there's lots flying around in my head but very little solid enough to really throw down

how bout you? thoughts on sajj so far?

[the worst]

sure, fair enough.
I like Sajj for town so far too.
she has a reasonable scumgame but I like where her brain is at

[the worst]

cringeeeeeeeeeee

[the worst]

1 down, 4 to go

[the worst]

still there?

[the worst]

just in case: thoughts on Arc claiming her crumbed negative utility?

[the worst]

ehffe

[the worst]

Yo Taly why the vote on TGKFAP who needs to answer my question and you've made no comments on when there are two delicious wagons going on???

[the worst]

sry you did comment on them but it's v surface level

[the worst]

@every1 thoughts on just asking Arc to claim the negative utility?

bad idea, better to let him decide when to do it

Possible he's scum but I'd wager any negative utility is probably a true claim even if he's scum

also why the fuck has nobody answered that yet

I have made a decision
you're my new favourite itt

[the worst]

I discounted Reality Check from the ongoing wagons. Happy to let them both so their respective things for now.

ATM I want to talk to TGKFAP. dead null.

Serious question wrt Shoshin? & have you read their ISO?

[the worst]

It just dawned on me how much fun I'm gonna have with Reality!

[the worst]

No probs. What pings me with Shoshin is they've had TWO pop ins and their focus seems to be on really ?_? things

[the worst]

why does scum jump in there?
do you disagree?

[the worst]

VOTE: WhemeStar

[the worst]

VOTE: WhemeStar

you jumped off too fast

might have to disagree there. >:

[the worst]

Shoshin vote was mostlyyy to get her to produce more content
Wheme vote is reasonably serious

[the worst]

I feel like I have a better insight into her brain so it's a start.

can you see why I voted Wheme?

[the worst]

I am down to wagon wheme

you in? apply now for a 20% discount

[the worst]

the worst, what's your read on Reality? any reason I'm wrong about them?

faintly nullish badtown rn across the both heads

I like how you're thinking but don't really think this is the right wagon to push yet. don't be surprised if I circle back to it later tho

[the worst]

faintly nullish badtown rn across the both heads

Why badtown rather than scum?

dem reads

[the worst]

no there is nothing huh

worst, what don't you like about those reads?

is this asking to sort my thinking or a genuine question?

[the worst]

faintly nullish badtown rn across the both heads

Why badtown rather than scum?

dem reads

Yeah, they're pretty bad - but why is that town rather than scum?

TBC honestly. there isn't enough content to have a firm read either way.
but first impressions, they're obviously not swaying to anyone else's thinking which is faintly town-scented.

[the worst]

193 suggests that Wheme's town if Reality is town.

waht

[the worst]

the worst, what's your read on Reality? any reason I'm wrong about them?

faintly nullish badtown rn across the both heads

Can you unpack this for me? This is a very interesting statement considering only one head has analyzed anything so far. I only have a couple reads right now.

dead null on Anka
Mastina's initial analysis seemed badtownish

so net, badtownish

[the worst]

If Reality's town, there's a certain degree of paranoia underlying Wheme's vote that feels very town. Like, why would scum Wheme alienate town Reality, the one player who reads Wheme as strong town?

ok fair.

[the worst]

where do you reckon we look next?

[the worst]

Find it strange when Princess of Renais' avatar is more interesting than her posts

This is beautiful

[the worst]

any game thoughts yet Creature?

[the worst]

Joral and Shoshin?
have you found any of the wagons interesting as of yet?

[the worst]

simon & garfunkel are gr8 ty Eirika

Joral and Shoshin?

Asian names?

hmm not wrong

[the worst]

Anything good?

[the worst]

if anyone wants to claim Jareth as flavour I think I might actually defect to their team??

[the worst]

alright, real life first--catch you when you have the time.

[the worst]

if anyone wants to claim Jareth as flavour I think I might actually defect to their team??

Your not town??

I am but... David Bowie..<3
i could be persuaded

[the worst]

oh lol

that was a shitpost

[the worst]

Is anyone getting a town read on Princess?

I'm having a lot of trouble with it. She claims town, and that angel is, but no reasoning to back it up. 1st post claims stoned, then doesn't do drugs, but claims to be a rock? It's a bunch of stuff that honestly I can't make heads or tails of, and isn't really helping with the game. But is it really an anti-town tell, or a player for whom this is their first game?

I'll let you decide but the rock flavourclaim makes sense? They are Ludo's friends ^_^

[the worst]

@mod

v/la 48 hrsish

[the worst]

I have my doubts on worst on this game though!! does anyone know his scum meta?

o/
I do
do you want to voice your concerns and see if we can talk thru them or shelving it for later?

Taly #goodposting

still too little access and energy to be very useful sry

[the worst]

I don't think I've really town told this game, do you have active concerns or just my activity?

I'm p inconsistent with access atm and spread pretty thin irl so I haven't been able to muster up a lot of energy this game. Been quiet at work so I've taken a bit of time today to catch up on threads.

You've seen me as town Arc, is it fair for me to say I can be difficult to sort early but become a lot more obvious depending on later phases?

[the worst]

Hey Taly, where you at? I want to know where your head is roughly.

do you have some past meta which shows your hydra dynamics as town well?

[the worst]

Hey Taly, where you at? I want to know where your head is roughly.

do you have some past meta which shows your hydra dynamics as town well?

sorry disregard

[the worst]

Look I'm scum and/or bad at mafia so I'm gonna shade the guy with shaky access

[the worst]

lmaooo

[the worst]

Angel is a very assertive player, if you have some spare time suss a couple of her ISOs in other games. She's cool tho.

Princess hasn't posted anything that isn't illegible fluff no.

are those the only people who are giving you bad vibes atm?

[the worst]

*hand down*

[the worst]

nico 1% higher because I think she fakes it a little more as scum

[the worst]

VOTE: Sajj

bad vote

Fartsoon is laughable.

Look at my correct % in recent games. I'm done trying to convince you people. My record speaks for itself.

VOTE: SHO

good vote

[the worst]

...I can't follow your thought process too well with some of these votes.

What don't you follow? I explained the vote on Reality but it's obvious nobody wants to pressure them so I'm voting my other suspect. What's confusing about the vote on Sajj? She posts lots of meaningless commentary and doesn't commit to anything.

bad but maybe towny vote ow

[the worst]

I'm so upset you stole the Fartsoon line before I could. I was holding onto it for a special moment and you're wasting it.

[the worst]

TPFKAP is probably town.

do elaborate~~?

[the worst]

if you're hard PoEing there's actually no one I want struck out yet

Sajj might be close imo?

[the worst]

the worst, why is Sajj town?

there is madness in my method

[the worst]

I miss my hydra buddy.

[the worst]

the worst, why is Sajj town?

there is madness in my method

Can you answer my question?

not here nah
she's very transparently town, I'm a bit worried you don't see it

[the worst]

So far had bad experiences with hydras (except some game I died N1 and another offsite I was like playing solo).

I meant our fake hydra in Gunner Mafia.

[the worst]

not yet. though we do literally have MariaR here she hasn't done anything AI yet

[the worst]

VOTE: the worst for an answer on why Sajj is town.

sweaty get off your high horse and go find actual scum

if you votepark this you're literally scumclaiming.

[the worst]

do it I dare u

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: the worst for an answer on why Sajj is town.

sweaty get off your high horse and go find actual scum

If you helped me out, then maybe I wouldn't vote you. But if you're going to obscure your alignment, then I'm going to assume it's because you're scum.

every other post in my ISO is transparent and conspicuously town motivated. if you get a stick up your ass abt one post which is VERY OBVIOUSLY hinting that I'm planning something with obscuring my read then I can only assume you're scum using an insanely stupid tunnel as a smokescreen.

[the worst]

so try to actually read me rather than wasting everyone's time
or just tell me who your scumbuddies r

[the worst]

I am Sensiball

[the worst]

is Harpoon's internet still bad"

[the worst]

I disagree. I still have no clue why you read Reality as "badtown" rather than "scum," and you've cluttered the game with tons of pointless posts. I liked your vote on Wheme and that was about it. I've seen scum do exactly what you've done in this game multiple times (including the whole "I'm not going to explain my reads yet because I have plans"), so if that's how you're going to play, I'm going to vote you until I have strong reason to believe you're town. I was hoping your explanation on Sajj would help me read you and her better... but I guess you don't want that?

The probability of you being town is creeping down rapidly so...... I don't really care what you think of me no.....? If you want to tunnel and be useless be my guest. Your reaction was closer to personally insulting than valuable for analysis of your alignment.

[RadiantCowbells]

is Harpoon's internet still bad"

Yeah :/

~ Taly

I'm so glad you knew what I meant by that question

hope it gets fixed soon

[RadiantCowbells]

I wonder what would have happened if I had refused to answer why I townread TPFKAP... bet the worst would have voted me for it...

incorrect don't put words in my mouth scumfuck

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm going to pretend the last half page of posts don't exist so I won't deeply question and criticize the mafia ability of some players in this game.

tgkfap

is borderline scumclaiming with how poor their posts have been, and LITERALLY BELIEVE THAT THIS IS

VARSOON

WHEN I'VE DONE ALL THE POSTING.

Also how the fuck would I be defending

Shoshin

? Love the dichotomies you're making though, if for god knows what reason that you're town - scum must love that you don't have a moving wagon on you. I'm much more forward and direct with my stances, boo.

Really doubting that this is

Creature's

towngame. His only gamesolving-centered post so far has been 334 and it literally comes to no conclusion at all.

Shoshin

, why is

Sajj

scum to you, again? And if you think

the worst

is scum off of townreading

Sajj

, then why are you dropping your attention off of her in pursuit of him? 350

I already said I thought

Sajj

was lean-town 312 - is that scum-indicative to you?

Oh look,

Renais

finally made commentary. 338, why is

Creature and tgkfap

town to you?

Pushing

the worst

is the worst thing you could possibly do right now because he's near locktown solely due to his sensibility being higher than most of the playerlist's right now.

And no, I didn't recognize the pun until after I typed the sentence LOL

~ Taly

Taly, effort is not alignment indicative.

Scum can be low effort and coast, town can be low effort and just not really care.
Scum can be high effort and try to pocket people, town can be high effort and try hard to gamesolve.

All of these possibilities are realistic in every game played on the site, the difference is HOW they're going about it and whether how they're going about their play is indicative of a scum mindset or not.

(Ank-post)

So..... Don't have townreads because they could be scum and don't have scumreaes because they could be town

Fuck it let's just random lynch ^~^

[the worst]

I have plenty of time before I intend to explain my Sajj read I'll just buy cookies for everyone who sees it.

[the worst]

So..... Don't have townreads because they could be scum and don't have scumreaes because they could be town

Fuck it let's just random lynch ^~^

VOTE: the worst

What was the purpose of your 370??

[the worst]

because it doesn't feel town motivated shooting down the only person who seems to be putting in the effort to vocalise strong reads for discussion!

if you disagree with some of his reads vocalise it? like sitting back spewing armchair mafia logic is not gonna help us advance the game state even remotely. it encourages regression before progress.

[the worst]

Because it's a way of reading people that isn't effective longer term? That's a reach out to Taly for him to restructure how he's getting reads because I'm seeing a lot of townreads for effort and scumreads for lack of effort, which is fine for getting people to contribute more, but significantly less accurate when you're trying to lynch actual scum.

Talk abt reads you disagree with rather than general mafia theory I double dare you

[the worst]

Tfw the Princess has the best reason out of any one on my wagon

[the worst]

but i never vot
itsa modo error

exactly

worst

Why does your tone feel really really off this game?

because I don't think you've played with me actually giving a fuck about a game yet

[the worst]

Anka there is no world where you know me well enough to correctly toneread me as scum. This is my disappointed irritated tone!!

[the worst]

your responses to Taly include nothing but armchair scumhunting logic and a clear lack of actually reading his posts critically.

Please explain specifically where you disagree with him

[the worst]

because I don't think you've played with me actually giving a fuck about a game yet

this is improtat btw Anka

[the worst]

can you please explain where you strongly disagree with Taly's comments or where you think he's coming from a blatantly incorrect place? I don't think you're actually reading most of what he's saying.

pedit: giving a fuck about the game as best I can!! save the last ~48 hrs when I've been busy as shit irl and access has been wonky

[the worst]

VOTE: Reality Check

[the worst]

tbh there are signs of a scum!mastina setup already and the fact you can't logically explain yourself when you're normally too logical to be reasonable..........

if I had a dayvig rn lol

pedit: are those contrary?

[the worst]

I think it's unreasonable to wagon me as I'm pushing the game forward. all the same I don't expect people to locktown me yet. If there's a difference in terminology that might be mb

[the worst]

VOTE: Reality Check

Not "badtown" anymore? What changed?

Is this a serious question

[the worst]

what logic is there to read? you're squirming

what? your PoE that game had
exactly
one
scum
in it

Thats why i assumed your shoddy logic earlier was badtown and not scum motivated

[the worst]

VOTE: Reality Check

Not "badtown" anymore? What changed?

Is this a serious question

Yes. You don't like the way they're playing, that was obvious before, but why's it suddenly scummy now that they're voting you?

Can you read the last ~25 posts of our mutual ISO and tell me if you don't see where I'm coming from? I've literally explained this.

[the worst]

I don't think I've really town told this game

every other post in my ISO is transparent and conspicuously town motivated.

Explain this change, the worst.

tbh there are signs of a scum!mastina setup already and the fact you can't logically explain yourself when you're normally too logical to be reasonable..........

if I had a dayvig rn lol

pedit: are those contrary?

I think it's unreasonable to wagon me as I'm pushing the game forward. all the same I don't expect people to locktown me yet. If there's a difference in terminology that might be mb

[the worst]

I'm already spewing all my thoughts @ the thread and like.... I am town

So not sure what wagoning me is going to accomplish except getting me to tunnel people who join my wagon in scummy ways?

[the worst]

Can you read the last ~25 posts of our mutual ISO and tell me if you don't see where I'm coming from? I've literally explained this.

You haven't explained, no. I'm not asking why you think Reality is scum. I'm asking why your reasoning isn't consistent with "badtown."

I'm gonna find playing with you tiresome I can already feel it.........

Anka is normally excruciatingly logical and communicative. The fact she is using armchair scumhunting and distancing herself from actually communicating on anything AI is an extremely serious alarm bell in my books.

[the worst]

hold the fuck on

so you did an overwhelming amount of work on pre flip vca and trying to PoE the scumteam with only one flip while you were simultaneously concealing additional scumreads? I know it's useless to waffle about a finished game but I think you're making this up.

pedit: WELCOME random!!!!!!

[the worst]

407 doesn't address the issue, as nobody said anything about locktown. 299 and 355 were both defensive moves against being scumread... and both used completely opposed logic...

I literally don't understand what you want from me here.

[the worst]

her*

I wasn't exactly feeling it? Like she made a really soft attempt at reaching out but it wasn't very AI. she just seemed like herself but her reasoning was eh

[the worst]

....

this wasn't signed
is that u Varsoon

[the worst]

o hai ^~^

[the worst]

I'm gonna think about whether or not I'm being stupid seeing scum motivation. Anka is friggin awesome as a person and I don't want to misrep her

Taly be my logic buddy when I'm calmer?

[the worst]

Why is "this is badtown" indicative of a scum mentality?

I got the sense that the worst was pre-inclined to read Reality as town rather than scum and the worst never addressed that concern in his response.

my first impression was badtown
and then...... wait for it....... buckle your seatbelt.......
THINGS HAPPENED :0 and I CHANGED MY MIND!! :0

[the worst]

but ya as stated I'm open to being maybe too hasty so
┐(´д｀)┌ I'll reflect when I am calm

[the worst]

why not play with the people who are playing and just lynch Creature EOD if he's still being scum!Creature?

may as well find 2 scum since we've got one already

[the worst]

Iiiiiiiiiii
Can't live
Within
Youuuu...

[the worst]

Yes i did and i see your tone in this game is bit odd. Well i dont see you as a lynch material as day 1 so If you're scum, I will figure you out on the later days!!

Deal. ^~^ one of my advantages as town is I think my agenda becomes more clear the more the game goes on!

[the worst]

Arc towny

[the worst]

He is sadly probs rightttttt... Creature has a pretty solid meta. He is fantastic as town and highly engaged. lurks and totally disengaged as scum.

So if I told you his call on creature has a probability of being right would you have any other concerns here?

[the worst]

10 pages in, joral, princess, TBG and Rc are townreads

my mind went RC = RadiantCowbells and I lol'd

[the worst]

He is sadly probs rightttttt... Creature has a pretty solid meta. He is fantastic as town and highly engaged. lurks and totally disengaged as scum.

So if I told you his call on creature has a probability of being right would you have any other concerns here?

Worst, I'm assuming this is directed at my post. My concern isn't so much the target as the method. I want to hear Wheme's reasoning for Creature, or reasoning at all. He's said "Creature is scum", (though to be fair he's said the same about this townie) but again hasn't said why he thinks so. Asking for blind following may be a null tell overall, but doesn't (to me) make the game any better. That's why at the moment the vote from me. Wheme's not high vote count, but it is to put a bit of pressure for an answer.

I haven't played since 2010 so I'm out of touch as far as meta stuff goes, but I have an unquantifiable negative feeling on creature. If the town wants to go that way, I can support it, but I feel too low info to really drive it.

Respect for this Joral--more warning you, the response to that question will be NAI and pretty boring. I'd ask for his other reads first.

[the worst]

Tbh though I think we should be focusing OFF Creature and trying to heat the game up. Still I'm surprised he's had so little to say about me/ReaChe/Taly and so forth.

[the worst]

BTW nd39 tone read on creature is towny

[the worst]

Worst, what is NAI?

Nine angry infants
or
Not Alignment Indicative



I'll let u decide what I meant

[the worst]

What's your take on nd39 Taly?

[the worst]

we're fucked

[the worst]

tbh really, shoshin really gottem tbh

[the worst]

Someone help me get into this game please

Pretend scum!Creature isn't there

ND39 Joral and Reality?

[the worst]

based on my experience with ND39 she does defend herself very passionately and very townily, idk if it's AI but she does it as town.

[the worst]

same I just wish she'd use her vote for something

[the worst]

119 (which I don’t know how I missed it the first time) is hilarious

ultimate roflcopter readslist tbh, I'm keen for Mastina's catch up to see if she pushes a blatantly transparently incorrect narrative or not D:

[the worst]

that is post 9 sweaty
what do you think it is

[the worst]

yeah you're adding nothing but noise to this conversation pls stop with that

it's transparently a shitpost

[the worst]

yeah you're adding nothing but noise to this conversation pls stop with that

it's transparently a shitpost

WOW I haven't been shouted down like this in a while.

VOTE: the worst

I'm not a fan of shooting people down in general, like I'd chat w u if there was any merit. Sorry if that came across as rude but uh

Theres 0 way that post had any meaning

[the worst]

TPFKAP are you pretending you see scum motivation in me fliffposting

[the worst]

not rly I wanna like vote you but it's mostly out of spite?? you're somewhat ok?

where am I defending Creature?

[the worst]

who's in da h00d

[the worst]

The Worst Nancy Drew 39 Scioness Sajj

s

. Vartsun, TehBrawlGuy, Reality Check

ed

Shoshin. NicoRobin Riku,

TPFKAP

or just

Princess of Renais Creature

, WhemeStar

s

ArcAngel9

's

Joral.

What is this? A reads list?

No seriously what the fuck is this?

A shitpost.

I copied the entire playerlist and tried to make it into a sentence.

I thought you did just fine bro

[the worst]

but but but
fart soon
giggle

[the worst]

Sajj want to lynch creature todsy or roll the dice with Nico?

[the worst]

Sajj want to lynch creature today or roll the dice with Nico?

eh, i'm not sure, not really reading the game right now
nico's empty slot so i'd pref to wait for a replacement, how active they usually are? is this normal for them?
from what i understand creature is easy to read so if most people are calling him scum then he is and would get bussed if people caught the scent. i guess i'd go creature as compromise lynch if nothing more happens today.

pretty much NAI IME

[the worst]

After Creature flips were doing randommidget because he’s also scum

Based on?

Meta

I’ve nevet played them before. Can you elaborate on this more?

If I remember correctly he doesn’t post it may be wrong honestly

iirc this is not correct

[the worst]

if anyone is bored tho they should use investigative powahs on rando

[the worst]

I AM SO FUCKING SHOOK YOU PEOPLE COULDN'T EVEN LYNCH SCUM!CREATURE WHAT THE FUCK

[the worst]

also hi it's good to be back i missed u all

[the worst]

Labyrinth Mafia - Votecount 1.33:

Creature (4): Vartsun, TPFKAP, Shoshin, WhemeStar
TPFKAP (3): Creature, Randomidget, Nancy Drew 39
NicoRobin (2): ArcAngel9, Princess of Renais
Princess of Renais (1): TehBrawlGuy, Joral
ArcAngel9 (0):
Shoshin (0):
WhemeStar (0):
Joral (0):
Nancy Drew 39 (0):
Vartsun (0):
TehBrawlGuy (0):
Randomidget (0):


Not voting: NicoRobin

With 12 alive it's 7 to lynch.

The day will end at (expired on 2018-06-07 15:00:00).

Wheme I'm gonna need an explanation for why you switched wagons then switched back when Creature is 150,000% obviously playing in his scum meta. I've seen you correctly identify this before and wagon him with fire, why the flipflopping yday?


also gonna need commentary from the following players on why the fuck they voted off-wagon yesterday, and also what their experience playing with creature is. i will be fact checking this
: - randomidget
: - nancy drew 39
: - arcangel9
: - princess of renais
: - nico robin [who I know has seen creature's scum meta firsthand, and did not bus him there]

[the worst]

also anka and i fixed our differences and she's my favourite now

[the worst]

but why didn't you vote at all?

[the worst]

how are you reading creature rn

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just talk w me, I'll read you as hard as I can I promise

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Nico I promise I'm reading everything you're saying between the lines

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where are your reads at?

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I'm less interested in trying to read your alignment and more interested in trying to sort other players with you atm

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I'm already townreading Nancy I just want to yell a lot

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yell with me?

ARGGGHHHHH

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hey

hold this head to getting stuff out today
I need to get back into here since I was lazy all day yesterday

I'm blaming anka!head for how little I got done over the long weekend

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VOTE: creature

<3

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Spoiler:

Labyrinth Mafia - Votecount 1.33:

Creature (4): Vartsun, TPFKAP, Shoshin, WhemeStar
TPFKAP (3): Creature, Randomidget, Nancy Drew 39
NicoRobin (2): ArcAngel9, Princess of Renais
Princess of Renais (1): TehBrawlGuy, Joral
ArcAngel9 (0):
Shoshin (0):
WhemeStar (0):
Joral (0):
Nancy Drew 39 (0):
Vartsun (0):
TehBrawlGuy (0):
Randomidget (0):


Not voting: NicoRobin

With 12 alive it's 7 to lynch.

The day will end at (expired on 2018-06-07 15:00:00).

Wheme I'm gonna need an explanation for why you switched wagons then switched back when Creature is 150,000% obviously playing in his scum meta. I've seen you correctly identify this before and wagon him with fire, why the flipflopping yday?


also gonna need commentary from the following players on why the fuck they voted off-wagon yesterday, and also what their experience playing with creature is. i will be fact checking this
: - randomidget
: - nancy drew 39
: - arcangel9
: - princess of renais
: - nico robin [who I know has seen creature's scum meta firsthand, and did not bus him there]

i feel like creature was playing to his scum meta but he didnt care that he was? i think that he would at least have bothered to bullshit some reads towards the end of the day as scum.

Also, I am over the last day too. So anyone who wants to lynch Nancy will have to go through me first. So bring it on, nerdz.

sounds good.
VOTE: nicorobin
i'm not letting them get away with not playing the game.

why the policy wagon?

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so what does tbg's flip mean

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so what does tbg's flip mean

? i already explained it
might be worth asking for clarification on that rather than quote pyramiding?

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If Creature is town I think he needs to get in here and be town Creature lol. Lynchbaity doesn't apply if he's a player very very well known for having s very distinctive scum meta and then playing in that scum meta.

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For what it's worth I strongly agree that one of {TPFKAP, Creature} is scum? probably not together

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If Creature is town I think he needs to get in here and be town Creature lol. Lynchbaity doesn't apply if he's a player very very well known for having s very distinctive scum meta and then playing in that scum meta.

For what it's worth I strongly agree that one of {TPFKAP, Creature} is scum? probably not together

I think both have relatively high scum equity but I agree with you. It doesn’t look like bussing although on MU, scum!Creature nearly always gets bussed. I made the mistake of hardtown reading the wolf who led that wagon.

Sure, anyone should bus scum!Creature unless he's a SPR. so his flip is gonna be veeeeery high value wrt who his buddies are :3

Still TPFKAP has a scumreadable playstyle in my experience so I'm much more inclined to just make up for d1 by lynching Creature

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Creature's scumgame is very very very slowly becoming more believable so...

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yeah ok
VOTE: Creature

Talked myself into it

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Still TPFKAP has a scumreadable playstyle in my experience so I'm much more inclined to just make up for d1 by lynching Creature

can you read them with the content they has been providing so far?

Not with any kind of accuracy individually but I have a feeling they're not scum with creature

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Labyrinth Mafia - Votecount 1.33:

Creature (4): Vartsun, TPFKAP, Shoshin, WhemeStar
TPFKAP (3): Creature, Randomidget, Nancy Drew 39
NicoRobin (2): ArcAngel9, Princess of Renais
Princess of Renais (1): TehBrawlGuy, Joral
ArcAngel9 (0):
Shoshin (0):
WhemeStar (0):
Joral (0):
Nancy Drew 39 (0):
Vartsun (0):
TehBrawlGuy (0):
Randomidget (0):


Not voting: NicoRobin

With 12 alive it's 7 to lynch.

The day will end at (expired on 2018-06-07 15:00:00).

Wheme I'm gonna need an explanation for why you switched wagons then switched back when Creature is 150,000% obviously playing in his scum meta. I've seen you correctly identify this before and wagon him with fire, why the flipflopping yday?


also gonna need commentary from the following players on why the fuck they voted off-wagon yesterday, and also what their experience playing with creature is. i will be fact checking this
: - randomidget
: - nancy drew 39
: - arcangel9
: - princess of renais
: - nico robin [who I know has seen creature's scum meta firsthand, and did not bus him there]

just a reminder I want to have a conversation with both AA9 and PoR here

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wrt TPFKAP--that is how their mind works and is a weak blanket scumtell (though I agree it's anti town)

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so what does tbg's flip mean

sscum have some form of strongman. i wouldnt be surprised if other abilities resolved at the same time tbg's would have.

why strongman? does your strongman comment connect in any way to the nk?
pretty sure tbg used his role last night.

the fact it mentions strongman/strongman like ability in tbg's role

"hypothetical" but I agree we should operate under the assumption they do

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the overwhelming majority on creature wagon does seem pretty weird if he's town tbh

i still don't understand why tpfkap/renais lynch aren't on the table and why this playerlist is completely OK with the level of bullshit in the thread. realtalk if it continues to be this awful I might just /out

this is probably why tbg died

#pyramids
also he was very obviously town fam

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care to elaborate? espec on first 2

I want to see what mastina thinks first tbh

all due respect but Mastina's rep for townplay is pretty jank atm and your rep for townplay is currently very good

Can we get your initial thoughts first and then have a better chat once you've calibrated with Mastina?

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@rando more the first IMO but his stance on gamestate was :fire emoji:

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all due respect but Mastina's rep for townplay is pretty jank atm and your rep for townplay is currently very good

don't say that

I don't want to start getting randomly-nightkilled-because-lolank again

that phase was awful

That's not what I'm saying

I'm liable to get lolnk'd as well, the fact I wasn't is softly town indicative of {sajj, AA9} tbqh

we all have our flaws just saying I'm probably gonna trust your reads a little more than Mastina's rn

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VOTE: creature

ty 4 bus

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you and AA9 have experience with me being EXCITED TOWN

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i feel like you have more experience with me than i have with you
but yeah got it

I read some of ur other games >: )

(I stalk every1 equally dw)

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What if I said I had a guilty on creature

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hypothetically

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just way over the top defensive

is this more likely to come from town or scum IYE?

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have you played with TPFKAP or have any meta knowledge? I actually see this as town indicative for this person

also TPFKAP are you a hidden alt or
(I know we spoke in schat but I don't wanna main reveal without permission)


pedit: hypothetical guilty ya
I want TPFKAP sorted today

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no it was a hypothetical question

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I'm tempted to claim cop to draw the night kill

but no I'm not

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it's totally anti town I agree

We should just lynch like.....guaranteed scum

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It's far better to work around weaktown or useless town than worry about it

Even if they're scum, just lynch all their buddies.

Even if all scum are among the useless players, that will be really obvious really quick, and I don't get that sense here.

Nice.

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the worst is mostly scary because he holds towns together (which makes him a priority NK if a situation like multiple competent towns that can't work together normally are in the game). I don't know about his reads personally, but his read accurate probably isn't quite on par if I had to guess.

i am becom glue
my reads are better than random and improve late game!

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That's why while I believe everyone that Creature is probably scum this game due to meta (I don't personally look to that myself, I just sheep on it), I don't believe lynching him this early is necessarily pro-town.

If he flips scum PR that puts his buddies at awkwardly defending him d1

If he doesn't it gives us leads

How is it better to roll the dice outside of Creature?

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See now, if you want to avoid that, you are going about it the wrong way, for those kinds of comments only make the baby with power want to do it more, because the baby with power would think you are trying to talk the babywith power from doing it because you are actual scum and as stated above, you don't fear most of the players catching you on wits alone.

Investigate Vartsun always

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Random's response to Nico doesn't feel natural at all, almost like he's upset that we're confirming townies. I'd lynch him for that alone.

Creature needs to hang for obvious reasons.

ok yeah this misrep is dire

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The Worst, tell me about Sajj (you've dodged this long enough) and thoughts on Random/Reality too, please.

later maybe
Why so focused on Sajj?

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sigh

worst can you comment on why investigating this slot is a bad idea

it's an awful idea

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so Anka is good at town but (based on second hand meta) doesn't have a strong scum game. our interactions in the Underground have me reasonably comfortable townreading her and her posts here are making me more comfortable. if she is scum we will catch her later.

mastina is eh at town with currently sub par reads, and good at scum. if anka stops posting and Mastina starts posting and it's clear she's pushing an agenda we just lynch RC lol.

If she's scum we'll catch her.
if she's town she'll prolly be night killed before endgame.

it's better to throw investigations towards slots which are LESS likely to be NK'd, and slots which are more difficult to read. Taly's main strength is being able to force others to produce content, his reads are hit and miss but his scumplay is very difficult to tell from his town play. he's unlikely to eat a night kill, which means if he's scum we've caught a deepwolf and if he's town then we've probably locked in a lategame confirmed townie.

similar with Renais, and I wouldn't cop TPFKAP. if we hit like say 5p LyLo with conftown Renais, that removes the lynchbait from LyLo. and Renais is never getting NK'd hahaha

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so Anka is good at town but (based on second hand meta) doesn't have a strong scum game. our interactions in the Underground have me reasonably comfortable townreading her and her posts here are making me more comfortable. if she is scum we will catch her later.

mastina is eh at town with currently sub par reads, and good at scum. if anka stops posting and Mastina starts posting and it's clear she's pushing an agenda we just lynch RC lol.

If she's scum we'll catch her.
if she's town she'll prolly be night killed before endgame.

it's better to throw investigations towards slots which are LESS likely to be NK'd, and slots which are more difficult to read. Taly's main strength is being able to force others to produce content, his reads are hit and miss but his scumplay is very difficult to tell from his town play. he's unlikely to eat a night kill, which means if he's scum we've caught a deepwolf and if he's town then we've probably locked in a lategame confirmed townie.

similar with Renais, and I wouldn't cop TPFKAP. if we hit like say 5p LyLo with conftown Renais, that removes the lynchbait from LyLo. and Renais is never getting NK'd hahaha

Nico if you wouldn't mind giving me your thoughts on this I'd really appreciate it

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the worst, I've been asking you about Sajj since D1 and even voted you because of that, so stop playing dumb. If you're town, you're needlessly making this game harder by inciting my paranoia that you're scum and that's really harmful to the town at this point in the game when we really need to start working together. So, stop dodging my questions about Sajj, explain why you townread Sajj earlier in the game, and tell us your current thoughts on Sajj.

I've made it clear I'm not elaborating on Sajj for now so settle down? I couldn't d1 anyway bc Underground and I'm focusing on other things right now

If you wanna start a conversation on her throw some thoughts at me but I'm not in the mood to answer questions I don't wanna answer

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Creature is OK but I don't think that flip gives much of any info without another scum flip.

The thing about lynches like that is they're traps if the gamestate is one where most of town is pretty deep and only a couple are being competent

It's not necessarily what's going on here but it begs the question of now necessary it is to eliminate that quickly when there's a similar scum equity lynch with far more information attached.

It's bad that you're defending Creature based on really scummy logic ("let's lynch the player that gives us more information instead of the player most likely to flip scum who we're going to lynch anyway at some point").

We could argue theory all you want but in actual practice scum push this type of logic much more often than town because at bottom it benefits scum much more often than town.

lol

VOTE: Shoshin

good vote

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There is a problem with that plan, and the problem is that mastina is a good scum manipulator, so how exactly do you plan to 'catch her later'? She'll dance circles around us.

Anka can be caught
Mastina probably can't

so if Anka stops posting and only Mastina is posting I propose we policy lynch her for playing to scum wincon.

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Actually only 50% policy but that's a mechanically correct lynch if that's how it goes down