Micro 803: The Coalition

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/confirm serial killer

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Gonna suggest hiraki is probably evil here for reducing our chances from 5/9 to 5/8

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HURT: Hiraki
obvious reasons

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didn't he literally kill you?

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but yes
i would omgus that

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so i'm kinda thinking there is very little value in rvs/random healing stage

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i have no idea

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HEAL: Not_Mafia
will yell out if i think of something

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HEAL: wisdom OK!

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just worked out how healing can be used awesomelyfully

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what do you reckon and why?

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wait should this be a RHS (random healing stage) and a RAUATB (random agreeing upon a townblock) stage?

these are different things right?

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looks like we HEAL players to add them to our own coalition and HURT them to remove them
we aren't voting on a single universal townblock, 5 coalitions will have to match I think?

have you read the last part of this post?

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fiiine

HEAL: Invisibility

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oh hai

why wisdom?
why me > invizzy?

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HURT: Not_Mafia
HURT: Maybe_Mafia

HEAL: Ausuka

lets gooo

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Mylo that is adorable rofl

Try

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[heal]townie[/heal]

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I did it originally bc I wanted to see what happened

But ig so

Where you at with reads wisdom?

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Town lean yeah, good entrance

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HEAL: math
HEAL: tw

HEAL: invisibility

Hiraki why aren't you reading Wisdom's posts?

pedit: yas he is very wise

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HURT: Not_Mafia
I will still try

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HURT: Neo HURT: Neo HURT: Neo HURT: Neo HURT: Neo HURT: Neo HURT: Neo

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This isn't a great list to read accurately, especially D1.

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Okay so I'd actually like to fuck the scum over and put them both in the coalition

My proposal:
1. An obvtownie that everyone agrees to neverlynch
2. Mathdino, because otherwise there's gonna be shittons of paranoia about me
3/4. Both scum
5. The 3rd pick for scum

Lynch everyone except the obvtownie and win

n0

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Let's be real
Who are the best scum players on this list and why in 20 words or less?

Also Hiraki and Ausuka are messing w me because I was thinking if I rolled scum in this setup I'd just powertown it and start an argument with my partner so damn stupid it could never be s/s

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Can someone weigh in? Hiraki's reads seem kinda reachy but the way Ausuka is responding to them rings bells of arguing I've seen scum!suka do on marathon weekend :I

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I'd actually put your name in the hat wrt d1. It's very very hard to tell your scum game from your town game without the exhaustion of long-tail problem solving.

If possible we should try and form a coalition without reading Wisdom Math or I

Also ppl with strong ability to meta read others on this list should probably not declare it ATM but give us reads in about a week.

Sadly it's very viable for scum to just avoid posting so they become the "eh, could be town" null compromise so I guess we've gotta keep tickling people for content as well

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If possible we should try and form a coalition without reading Wisdom Math or I

For the record...... Probability is low
But a good starting point

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Anyone bored? I wanna talk

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That's the best town players tho right? My d1 reads are probably ~random atm so I wouldn't even entertain that for fear of gamethrowing

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here

What do you take out of Hiraki Vs Ausuka?

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Is there some critical thinking there or is it fairly obvious?
First to admit I'm bowing to paranoia here.

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okay that's definitely fair. I'll stop being stupid
HEAL: Hiraki

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Yes we do

What do you think of Wisdom so far?
I keep reading your ISO to look for conversation points and "d'awww"ing at the heal tag typos

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Mobile posting:

I'm honestly going to respond to most of the above by quoting myself. It's getting pretty outrageous at this point.

@TW: have you ever played a game where you could say 3 people were collectively town or scum by page 2 and say well it was gut? Now, if you did, were you town or scum?

I don't think Ausuka is insisting her reads are absolute--in her linked game she was town but her gut reads were jank.

Stating gut reads with projected confidence early is pro town to me, as long as people aren't arrogant about it.


Her responses will be more telling than the original statement

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Her responses present as extremely genuine and I think her reads are improving in lucidity.

Taking Wisdom's word on you a tiny bit--the original case did feel reachy, but honestly I don't see town benefiting from doing what you're doing this game.

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Oo this is good
What do you like about Invisibility so far and what is giving you pause?
Also wanna see what you think of Wisdom

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If NM/Neenie spew town later it just means we have someone were probably wrong about

Hence my Good Scum question

But if NM/Neenie is the scumteam yay

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Ya but we have time to work out if we're wrong

Phonepost
Hiraki is scum

SPICY
What makes you think so?

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But Mathdino isn't Wisdino

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Math is the #1 player who we should probably try and avoid reading too hard until closer to EOD

Please please trust me here

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viewtopic.php?f=11&t=75961

If you're into it I found this game a really good read (esp for a newbie). Problem is it just finished so he'd know what we're looking for.

End of discussion for now tho dude

pedit: northsidegal? More like NINJAsidegal

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If you're town pls roll with my idea

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I have a lot more town experience than scum experience with you

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GDI MATH

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i would like everyone to unvote themselves so the coalition doesn't get lolhammered thank you

unless your coalition has me in it in which case i promise not to lolhammer by withholding my self-vote

quoted for same

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I was trying to highly highly unsubtly crumb that I think I know why you are sitting back

Also before EOD your intention is going to be extremely obvious imo which is towncred simply by opening yourself to being read

If you played conventionalDino with this list I think you know you get into the D1 coalition

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Invisibility is an alt?

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I was trying to highly highly unsubtly crumb that I think I know why you are sitting back

Also before EOD your intention is going to be extremely obvious imo which is towncred simply by opening yourself to being read

If you played conventionalDino with this list I think you know you get into the D1 coalition

In my brain I am tiering players by readability in equal parts to towniness if that helps clarify

Phone posting while dodging rain I think my sense doesn't make words next to each other

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Unless everyone is a pushover and the entire group is just some dumb shit like Mylo-sheeping-Duck-sheeping-Wisdom.

I dont get what youre trying to say here

if everyone is a pushover and the entire coalition is basically led by 2 people, with 3 people who just wanna be in the townbloc so they'll vote for anything

then phase 1 will end quickly, which would be very bad for my readability going forward

Edit: is 215 the stuff that you thought i was trying not to say? because that wasn't a huge secret, i just wasn't articulating it well lol
granted i have no interest in articulating anything well sooooOOOO
and yeah i always get into the coalition by just being myself and faking reads

invisibility really seems like an alt by post history

Yes but exactly zero people were paying attention
I thought it was distinctly useful to speculate about other players and ignore you until you let us read intent

Sue me

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invisibility really seems like an alt by post history

I'm a little on the fence but I see it


Unconventional method time :
Invisibility are you an alt?
Also while we're at it are you town?

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That's a relief!

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/Confirm Mafia Rolecop

I'm town

HOLD ON

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Who's got the most experience with Hiraki?

So frustrated Invisibility disappeared at the least convenient time possible

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Same. That kitten is cute af.

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you know this is gonna be reachy right

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? Invis/Hiraki
Math
Mylo
?NM

subject to substantial revision before EOD

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Pending more original content

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any feelings on the invisibility/hiraki (henceforth Invisiraki) shade throw?

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Yes that one, Hiraki hasn't been at Vizzy yet I don't think
OK same page

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Neenie probtown

Who here has ~history~ with me but is voting me? They're good picks for scum

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It's events that happened in the past

With tildes!

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I don't really take advice but I'll keep that in mind

Sorry if it came across wrong. It wasn't play advice. Just explaining how I could see it coming from an ill intending mind state

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Ah I made a typo lol. I don't see SCUM benefiting**

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Asuska just made everything six times more confusing lol. I keep getting confused

we need espeonage ofrhz and saskeismyyaoikismesis in here

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the entire duckling squad is offended--you have made a powerful enemy myloninja13

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I have to sleep now (I live in Australia, where it's 9:16 now) but I'll continue my happiness streak tomorrow!

I forgot you're Australian too, neat.
I'm in Adelaide so relatable content

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Three way fistbump. Aussie timezone squad. ^_^

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starting to get cold feet on Wizzy

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I think

the

duckling is confused about this game.

Ftfy hard claim confused about this game

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I can't remember why I started TRing you early and I'm worried I threw it out too quickly. Your posting the last few pages has felt more orchestrated

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not a super strong read but enough to make me like eek

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Mylo Wisdom and NM? Level of confidence?

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orchestrated how?

It feels like there's a really smooth narrative forming and it's enough to give me pause. Either you've got really solid reads or you're setting things up really well. Need to work harder on trying to work through your intent.might need to collectively sheep

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I can't remember why I started TRing you early and I'm worried I threw it out too quickly. Your posting the last few pages has felt more orchestrated

could you give examples?

low chance, too much effort
just an overall impression

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Invis is scum btw right?

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what do you think my narrative is here

time put into summarising this would be better spent thinking critically atm

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good news

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ducky scumread on wisdom is bad

not a scumread
I am pausing in my townread
stop being a scumbutt

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D:<
would I have met or heard of your old account?

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HURT: Ausuka
HEAL: Myloninja13

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Intent to sheep Hiraki's superior confidence (and probs intellect)

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This isn't a blind sheeping exercise there is a part of me that agrees with him here. Which part of his read/s do you think is distinctly wrong here?

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I actually think writing Ausuka off as very easy to read is a deathtrap. She says she is but she also refers to herself as bad at mafia, which is not true. My accuracy in reading her is gradually improving but I've been wrong way more often than Ive been right

fwiw anyway

Math you ignored my highly highly relevant question

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can you explain your read of her currently in a reasonable amount of detail without ruining your plan?

pedit: NM I love you

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OK I would assert that Ausuka is one of the worst players to have a strong read on currently.

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I wouldn't take it personally Hiraki. It's either scum motivated and he's back pedalling, or it was a reaction test to check the integrity of your reads.

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I actually think writing Ausuka off as very easy to read is a deathtrap. She says she is but she also refers to herself as bad at mafia, which is not true.

I mean, both of those are true...

you're the only one who thinks either of those imo

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dude stop overdisclosing if you're town I'll yell @ ppl until they vote you

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Being scummy was part of my plan all along! Believe me!

u failed tho dude )':

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once you're done are you down w sorting this player list by probability of fucking up reading people d1? I feel too well liked for starters.

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I thought it was fairly obvious in the scope of your play so far dude. I would not have stepped in if Hiraki didn't seem genuinely offended.

pedit: lmfao great minds
ok I probably did step in too early mb

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uhhh I'd be interested to see how many people on this list thought it was a reaction test. his change of tone actually presented as legit to me fwiw

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Mylo and Vizzy concern me.

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That's a tasty take

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Ouch do you think vizzy/mylo as a scumteam parrot each other so much?

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hardclaim right leg of the forbidden one

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NM's constant "I'm town" posts stress me out

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*hyperventilates*

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*hyperventilates*

Am I really that bad?

AC in my office is too hot
Why did you come to that assumption?

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Neenie what's your maf experience like

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Lol, I missed that. 519/520 is p bad and her assumption that my exasperation then never replying is like pings central

So the voices in my head are asking lots of questions

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OK yessir

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how do wisdom's games result in so many scum lynches d1.....

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I'm bored of looking

comfortable leaning scum on neenie atm

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dat alt slip
are you repping in on this acct? or

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I have to sleep now (I live in Australia, where it's 9:16 now) but I'll continue my happiness streak tomorrow!

I forgot you're Australian too, neat.
I'm in Adelaide so relatable content

I'm supposed to be British, but my nap cycle is Australian.

mmm well played
actually if neenie=brie this checks out tonally

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gonna think on it

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I'd believe it. dw, I'll pretend I saw nothing.

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yeah. I didn't go back that far.

let me mull it over Neenie, just keep being you as much as you can.

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Gut = Brie/Neenie town

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just checking

the players who are hard to accurately read are playing towny
the players who are easy to accurately read are playing scummy

........do we roll the dice on people who actually seem townie or just send 5 easily read players and lynch them in order of scumfuckery til we hit red? I genuinely cbf trying to work out which way is more likely to win

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no one is pushing back against this bloc

^ p much where the idea of door #2 came from

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unless it's literally like Ausuka/vizzy and they're just like........ noep

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honestly I haven't very seriously considered an Ausuka/Vizzy scumteam yet so noh8 but maybe?

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GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS

If we're fucked and it's time to go let's send everyone except the scumteams who would bend us the fuck over

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Leave out
Wisdom
Hiraki
Mathdino
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Send
Not_Mafia
NeenieKit
Myloninja13
Invisibility
Ausuka

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I'm a tiny bit concerned you'd be wagoning me. Lol.

Idea was just an idea, basically like if we don't have a strong townbloc why not proceed into a vanilla game sans headfuck scumteams. Balance of all things I think Wisdom is town too.

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What would you expect to get out of wagoning me here actually? Throw anything at me, I'll try and reply in real time under pressure if that helps.

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Gut = Brie/Neenie town

spoilers because MU terminology springs to mind and I don't want to hurt NM's poor eyes

Spoiler:

I don't think this kind of WIM comes from scum!Neenie. She feels contemplative as town and far more exhausted as scum. Anyone got some meta thoughts?

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What would you expect to get out of wagoning me here actually? Throw anything at me, I'll try and reply in real time under pressure if that helps.

Nothing, I would literally be trying to lynch you

It just hasn't been to my advantage to be shouting that because what the fuck can i do about it

problem

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It just hasn't been to my advantage to be shouting that because what the fuck can i do about it

I dont get it
If you scumread tw you can shout about it so we don't include him in the block
How is not doing anything better

QFMFT

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ergo you'd be trying to lynch me why?

I get wagoning, I miss wagoning

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it really doesn't add much pressure... lol.
guess we could state intent to flashwagon if the townbloc fails?

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ergo you'd be trying to lynch me why?

I get wagoning, I miss wagoning

MATH

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Math is floundering

right it's so weird

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NM/math TvS imo

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Neenie is town. Who are we most likely wrong about excluding me?

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bad feeling rn
I think it's the Math/NM thing

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I knew I shouldn't have ate all those tomatoes.

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would it be good if we alternated lynches inside and outside the block? It doesn't have to be like (in, out, in, out...), it could also be something like (in, in, out, in, in, out..).

Yeah, this is why I'm good with Mylo and not with Invisibility.

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HURT: Invisibility

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why

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i feel like this is going nowhere

can we just agree on a wisdom/mylo/hiraki/nm/neenie coalition and see what happens?

I'm actually ok with that

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hes hard to read but him having the same reads as i do means hes probably town
and hiraki seems to think so as well and maybe he can read him better than i can

He could go either way for me annoyingly. Also I feel like I'm getting a better gauge of him as time goes on (bad history of mislynching here) but still not getting a very strong feeling.

I probably feel more comfortable with the rest of the wagon atm. The Math Vs. NM thing is just hurting my brain a tiny bit. If I was going to kick up a fuss and request I was subbed in for anyone I would request I was subbed in for NM.

Either way I'm also kinda prepared to let you and co. solve this within reason... and we're within reason.

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tw feels town in every game until youre familiar with his scum meta
In Stack The Deck I was townreading him until this was pointed out to me and only then I figured out he was scum
Math was also who figured tw-scum there so him not liking tw here also makes me wary

This has my curiosity piqued because I have the benefit of knowing your meta is incorrectly applied. What similarities are you seeing?

Having strong contrary reads is often really positive from NM. I'm not sure exactly how I feel about him going with the flow like this.

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aahhhhhh ok I didn't read that post super carefully.

I think math's issue with me here is MOSTLY unreadability. Other than that I wanna restate that I think there's one scum in him/NM.

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The way they're kinda soft shading each other doesn't feel mutually townie.

but ye I'm prepared to be wrong, I just don't like it. Having confident reads when there's no actual pressure is hard.

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Having confident reads when there's no actual pressure is hard.

this
Thats why i want to move on

fire emoji

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@mod

-- V/LA for about 48 hours.
Sadly this is probably my highest priority game whilst I have dodgy access so I'll try and check in when I can.

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Good God who makes this their highest priority game

I think you already know how twisted I am

high key want to win this tho

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Which potentially leaves me with a Math/Ausuka scumteam, and I can't remember if I said anything about that before. Need to ISO myself.

Do you think Math/Ausuka goes quiet for as long as they did with NEITHER of them being scumread?

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I have caught up and made a decision

who would like to know about my decision

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I'm tired and not in the mood to be eccentric
next time I feel like being a stubborn fuck I am going to be a stubborn fuck


VOTE: Not_Mafia
probs not moving here unless some fucking delicious bread comes along


pedit: ty Wisdom<3

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to borrow from his scum meta

he is scum

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review his ISO and lmk how gross you find his sudden turn on me with no context.

town!NM has much better reads than this. they're poorly explained but the trajectory is usually ~somewhat~ clear when applying critical thinking.
I can literally see exactly 0 trajectory except 'ohey a juicy wagon on someone I have paid zero attention to'

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if you don't find it particularly gross that's ok

we have day 2 to lynch you

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I stated discomfort with NM several times but didn't really actively scumread him until that fucking gross vote.

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I don't cite Math (often), I am my own bitch with my own onions

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We also literally talked about my frustration with the gamestate
I'm surprised you even felt the need to ask that?

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does his vote make an iota of sense to you?
do you think scum!tw is a read he actually has

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HEAL: Not_Mafia
HEAL: the worst

HEAL: wisdom
HEAL: Hiraki

HEAL: Myloninja13

My coalition wins the game and if you disagree you're wrong

fhpov?
ya probs tbh

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he also never hurt anyone ever?
he's normally the one with stubborn scumreads d1?
no alarm bells at all?

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yes?
if I'm not a high townread of mine why does he vote me so early never mention me again never remove me from the coalition etc. etc.? whole thing does not add up one bit to me

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Sorry, I'm fading fast. Gonna have to check out for the night before long.

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I keep wanting to yell at wisdom for his defence of NM but his whole stance otherwise feels town

Now taking applications for my Voice of Reason

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ok but this is d1 why are we discussing associatives and not lynching the most conspicuously scummy as fuck player and sorting out their partner tomorrow?

anyone who thinks NM treats his partner the way NM has treated my slot is absolutely nuts or needs to read NM in ISO with more critical thinking. we've been scum together before and it was a fucking blast. this ain't it. if I were scum with NM how fucking easily could I have dug in my heals and insisted that one of us were not in the coalition? wonky access and lack of energy for mafia aside, I never to into d1 phase 2 as scum with a 2/5 chance of one of us being lynched.

this entire situation is actually steaming bullshit and uncomfortably I feel like Wisdom should know better than how he's acting

everyone is ok with his lynch???? I only see myself Math and Ausuka here? there is active counterwagoning? what are you even angling at?

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I still think you're town you're just playing at like a tenth of your IQ here bro. I'm fighting every urge not to turn this thread into a massive unnecessary TvT shitfight.

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That was half @ u half @ neenie
I'll give more coherent responses when I have more time/mental capacity but I just feel like NM is conspicuously making shit up as he goes along and I feel poorly treated and I'm a princess too. >:

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I still think you're town you're just playing at like a tenth of your IQ here bro. I'm fighting every urge not to turn this thread into a massive unnecessary TvT shitfight.

yeah you better make this appear like tvt by belittling me
totally the first time scum do it to me

Sorry that was probably pretty unfair. :/ I'm just a bit irritated and spread too thin atm. Gimme a couple of days to get back into the swing of things.

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I'd call one scum exactly in {MD, NM} before {MD, Invis}
not just because I'm tunnelling NM hard

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oh and I feel less miserable now but I'm still right

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He's currently the only one in the coalition I'm scumreading and it's D1 and we've been drowned in nigh useless data so *shrug*

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If NM is town, we keep keep lynching in the coalition until we hit scum. If he is scum... we can decided later. I think I want to lynch the Duck first. His associative are less puzzling.

Unless I've really misread Hiraki or Wisdom, and one of them is bussing the Duck? I really don't want to think about that.

uuuhhhhhhh

try: my associatives are less complicated because I'm town. we're lynching NM. EOD.

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That doesn't answer who's scum in the coalition if it's not N_M though.

I can answer that for you if you want!

oo who?

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problem
I'm still thinking Neenie is town

solution
Fuck it lynch NM

VOTE: Not_Mafia

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^this is still wrong and stubborn

I'm bussing, pls take my buddy off my hands

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That was Neenie wasn't it?

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NM

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No he's scum

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It's easy to underestimate NM because he's funny as hell but he's actually a good player lol. As town you can generally stand in his shoes and see something of where his reads are coming from (and at this juncture imo a town flip adds huge amounts of integrity to his reads)

if you try to put yourself in his shoes and he's very clearly spouting nonsense he's probs scum

Like I've mislynched him in the past but this just seems obnoxiously straight forward to me.

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say something true

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Say something true I didn't already know

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are you for real?? how would they even enforce such a silly law?

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jeez yeah I'd really prefer not going to jail. dying then being jailed just sounds like an awful day.

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Kinda prodging sorry. NM still scum. Neenie more than likely town.

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how sure are you about NM town and why math? I'm getting like lolscum levels of scumread there.

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I'll get back to you. Yeah Hiraki is most viable buddy.

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if y'all wanna lynch me let me know and I'll unsub from the thread

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so we still lynchin' Not_Mafia?

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I was gonna case this but I have a better idea - it will flow into what I was writing. I know most of these answers.

TW -

Can you give a comprehensive readslist, right here - right now?

Pre-edit: Seems like reading and comprehension aren't skills that have picked up since you've started to pay attention to this game either.

can you give me a small mansion in the himalayas?

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off the top of my head, if I've mixed ppl up it's in the vizzy/ausuka/mylo group


Wisdom
NeenieKit

Invisibility
Ausuka
Myloninja13
Mathdino

Hiraki

Not_Mafia

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I've already caught you fabricating reads in your ISO

literally haven't

try throwing shade like this and I'll drive a wagon at you as hard as I can

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What exactly is your plan to get people to actually vote with you again

Edit: ok how are you townreading neenie and scumreading me exactly

townread on neenie is mostly experience with brie and I think I've stated before in filthy MU terms I'm not convinced her level of WIM comes from scum!neenie

You're not a scumread I'm just not sold you're playing outside your scum range and haven't put a lot of effort into sorting possible teams etc. etc. You're also semi clearable by associations I think? Consider everyone you+ above null line tbqh.

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Hiraki is.... obviously......general discomfort and an increasing feeling of disgust and discomfort......

Not_Mafia is just not_not_mafia

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no

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Perfect, lots of ammo there. Let's keep this going. Go ahead and explain

How I can set you up for a mislynch by misrepresenting your boredom as scummy

.

ftfy

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humour me, if you're town explain how you can possibly see that list and go "OH HIS READ ON AUSUKA IS SCUMMY"

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Go for it. ^~^ I'd love to see why you think any of my reads are scum motivated lol.

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Happy to talk about this I'm just not trusting of your motives. You're actively pushing my wagon whivh I know for a fact is a mislynch and ignoring a lynch on obvious scum

Should I be responding differently? :0

What questions do you deem useless? I think you've maybe played enough with me to have a feeling for why I talk to people compulsively?

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how long ago was that for context? I play lots of games and rarely recall exactly what I do and when

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(also @ work ATM, I'm prioritising responding to you over fact checking which hopefully you dig but if not lmk)

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yeah same here, transparently lying and faking shit is gross. still think you're cool btw dude, you're just pushing a really bad case here and I'm not seeing any town intent in it

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Sup Mylo

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it's d1 what partner theory isn't a stretch

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Hiraki says many things.

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(SOMETIMES IN CAPS)

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I feel like I'm obvtown this game and I never feel like I'm obvtown

anyone else kinda not see this post coming from scum!NM?
am I being stupid?? he seems obvscum to me D:

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inb4 NM flips red