mini 2013: the chorus of i'll call b4 i cum mafia (all done)

[profii]

you may choose to use a string that will uniquely identify a player to me instead of the exact thing.

UnaBombaH - 1697065679
profii - 8871813186
Tchill13 - 784121683
Dunnstral - 6133218581
Azurit - 5742903693
yeasayer - 166597408
the worst - 7574812551
Performer - 3713972203
MariaR - 8873794069
LuckyOtter - 128474617
SIV36 - 7345934561
Ruby Red - 5688495079
Kokichi Oma - 9993312625

VOTE: 1697065679

nah

VOTE: Ruby Red

[profii]

I’m voting for not making the game any more complicated than it needs to be

So no particular scum reason

Did anyone note that number vote was for una ?

[profii]

And why don't you try to make anything happen?

There’s been a handful of posts, you’re coming across awfully LAMIST rn

[profii]

I’m voting for not making the game any more complicated than it needs to be

So no particular scum reason

Did anyone note that number vote was for una ?

Makes sense.
Yes, I did notice it, but don't know what to do with this information. Do you have some thoughts about this vote?

I noted that he voted Una, yes. But I don't know what to do with this information. Do you have some thoughts about it? Why did you ask this question?

And why don't you try to make anything happen?

There’s been a handful of posts, you’re coming across awfully LAMIST rn

Intresting. Why don't you vote me?

while I like getting out of RVS promptly I don’t think I can seriously vote you for that

That Una thing - I don’t like that because it was a masked vote for the player who got voted for in the post exactly prior - could be that ruby was trying to hide a wagon

But again, bit early to run with that narrative

[profii]

Yeah you’re right I scrolled past the normal vote. Ignore me. So the question is why wagon at all

[profii]

Long time no see profii. Hope you've been well.

Yo dude

[profii]

lol

[profii]

I suppose I should be sensible


I said I missed the “real” vote which was why I didn’t ask

Then when I acknowledged it, I asked

[profii]

I’m voting for not making the game any more complicated than it needs to be

So no particular scum reason

Did anyone note that number vote was for una ?

Makes sense.
Yes, I did notice it, but don't know what to do with this information. Do you have some thoughts about this vote?

I noted that he voted Una, yes. But I don't know what to do with this information. Do you have some thoughts about it? Why did you ask this question?

And why don't you try to make anything happen?

There’s been a handful of posts, you’re coming across awfully LAMIST rn

Intresting. Why don't you vote me?

while I like getting out of RVS promptly I don’t think I can seriously vote you for that

That Una thing - I don’t like that because it was a masked vote for the player who got voted for in the post exactly prior - could be that ruby was trying to hide a wagon

But again, bit early to run with that narrative

Where are you going with this profizzle

no where - I made a mistake and missed the post before the ‘masked vote’ which was a clear vote so my point is void

[profii]

I just scrolled straight past

And I asked about the wagoning in isolation

[profii]

VOTE: profii

Interaction between profii and azurit seemed a little contrived to me, but I won't go too hard on that. Random voting for being bad dog.

this seems like the only interaction at this point. Why even point it out?

to hopefully kick off a wagon following my ultimate clusterfcuk of an entrance to this thread I would guess. Ruby looks like they are pushing me with scum hunting intentions so I'll vote here. I know someone will say OMGUS but I'd vote for the same reason if SIV followed a natural scum hunter onto any other player so nope

VOTE: SIV36

[profii]

just because I don't proof read and I don't think that's very clear...

Ruby town
SIV scum

[profii]

any reason in particular?

[profii]

after a great deal of consideration i've decided that i'll be treating luckyotter as town until proven otherwise. congratulations.

Hooray

VOTE: profii

Interaction between profii and azurit seemed a little contrived to me, but I won't go too hard on that. Random voting for being bad dog.

this seems like the only interaction at this point. Why even point it out?

to hopefully kick off a wagon following my ultimate clusterfcuk of an entrance to this thread I would guess. (...) I know someone will say OMGUS but

I'd vote for the same reason if SIV followed a natural scum hunter onto any other player so nope

VOTE: SIV36

I'm having trouble understanding the bolded bit. SIV says his vote on you is 3/10 serious (which does merit at least a little explanation, see below), similar to Azurit's response to my question about her vote on Dunnstral...

@LuchyOtter Depends on how you define a random vote. There is an obv reason why I choose Dunnstral and not someone else, but it is a very smal reason and I would not vote him outside rvs.

...so what is the reason you are voting SIV and meanwhile ignoring Azurit?

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SIV, what exactly looked contrived? I'm not seeing whatever Tchill is referencing.

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Tchill does seem, in fact, fairly chill, so UNVOTE: Tchill13

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Meanwhile, Ruby casually and cryptically votes Dunnstral (the rules do say "no cryptography," btw). What makes Dunnstral's post 69 wolfy?

the bold bit:

I think that so far, ruby, whilst fairly aggressive about it, has been scum hunting, so lets just call that town for now.

the SIV vote, whilst 3/10, is an easy way to get yourself on a wagon that potentially has legs... oh look I'm L-1

something weird is going on with me flying up to l-1 - I have no idea how that has even happened, so I'll be voting someone on my wagon I think.

[profii]

I'm going to count the votes, but surely Una is wrong, there surely isn't 6 people on me??

[profii]

im not panicked I just thought something wasn't right... and it's not.

[profii]

I think this is the worsts town game

And Kokis

So I am thinking Una or Siv will be the scum

Una made some weird posts for Una to be fair but I don’t like SIV either

[profii]

I think this is the worsts town game

And Kokis

So I am thinking Una or Siv will be the scum

Una made some weird posts for Una to be fair but I don’t like SIV either

how comfortable are you with the worst, koki, una or siv? not reads this game but in general.

Do you mean like how familiar am I with the players?

The worst I’ve played with once but I feel like I chat in site chat enough to have a decent handle on things

Koki and una I’ve played with a couple of times so I’m ok there too

Siv - never seen before this game so lowest level of comfort here, but that doesn’t really bother me

[profii]

Usually I can town hunt pretty easily but there is a lack of players towning it up in this game

[profii]

Usually I can town hunt pretty easily but there is a lack of players towning it up in this game

I quickly fact-checked this by skimming through your recent town games (up till February). I don't see a single mention of you town hunting.

That’s because it’s always a great idea to openly declare yourself town hunting instead of scum hunting so im sure to make it clear that’s what I’m doing


What an odd thing to go and check

[profii]

I’m pretty sure I’ve been criticised in my earliest games for being seen to town hunt more than scum hunt so I find it weird that someone would expect to find a history of me doing it - I kinda assumed site meta is scum hunt or die


Anyway. TW - our only other game I think was the mafia month game where I was scum. Why do you think this is my scum game again? I think this is your paranoia game because town lost that game I mentioned

[profii]

nah you're giving me cheeky sneaky puppy vibes again

last time I got distracted........ I will not make the same mistake twice
(also not a spite wagon, I actually think you're a great dude I'm just SRing you )

That’s ok - I just have no idea why there is a wagon on me - usually when this happens I made a clanger of a post so I’m like fair enough I’m getting wagoned, but in this game I have no idea

[profii]

Well I think Mr Otter can be town, that’s good

[profii]

No really, it’s never that easy

[profii]

VOTE: profii

Interaction between profii and azurit seemed a little contrived to me, but I won't go too hard on that. Random voting for being bad dog.

The heat on profii is interesting but I don't know what to make of it.

"Here is a thing that is happening that I'm a part of, and I shan't say any more about it."

Want to go ahead and make something out of the L-2 wagon that you're on?

It was mostly an RVS vote. I had little foresight it would balloon into an L-2 wagon.

I asked you to comment on the wagon you were on. Instead, you try to downplay your participation in the wagon.

Then, you briefly switch your vote to Koki with faulty reasoning, and immediately after that falls apart...

Sorry Koki.

VOTE: profii

L-2 !!

So

now

can you make something out of the wagon that you're on?

Why are you so hooked on me? I thought I usually could understand peope going through confirmation bias (I get it real bad too), but the way your wrangling with me is mystifying.

When you ask "Want to go ahead and make something of the wagon you're on!?", I picked up that you implicitly meant that you strongly believe profii is innocent, and that I'm a bad wolf trying to take him down. How can you be so sure of someone's role? And what is it about me in particular that your having a hard time with?

From my position, everyone is nebulous. I have no idea where to start in getting answers yet. I put my vote on profii because putting pressure on someone is a good thing.

I think Otter made a good point and SIV didn't make a good retort here.

post 127 is acceptable given that SIV cannot predict the future. However 174 seems to come across as 'IDK random pressure' and hoping the pressure being applied from LuckyOtter might go away - I think we are a bit beyond RVS now.

I don't read it as Lucky saying "I think profii is inno, why are you voting" - more as - "we don't know who is guilty, so why profii more than anyone else" - as I say, we are past RVS so I was expecting more than 'random pressure'

I think my vote is in the right place here. (Im on SIV)

[profii]

That’s seems ok to me for now, at least ok enough to move vote

If I was bothered by the wagon I’d be harassing people a lot more - saying that, I still have no idea why I’m up at l-2 so I think someone is scum on wagon

VOTE: UnaBombah

[profii]

or... hear me out... i play day 1 with the sole intent of getting to day 2. Sprinkling in some stuff that could leads to content i could review in later day phases.

i do think siv is doing decent work on day 1 though. i like what im seeing from him.

i went and checked that and seems legit based on the other schadd modded game we played

nai for you, but i dont think ill vote your way today i guess

[profii]

i am not a fine lynch

[profii]

Siv - can you explain the town read on yeasayer?

[profii]

Dunnstral and Tchill seem to be talking about each other but not to each other so much, interesting

What do you mean by worst is the best vote and good Tr

[profii]

Idk how I quoted that post

[profii]

Yea I mis read

[profii]

you and Siv and luckyotter are probably my best reads at the moment.

I'm struggling to find scum - i initially thought someone on my wagon was probably scum. I could see it being 1 of una/worst/koki still but not with confidence.

I would guess there is scum in one of the low posters somewhere but it's hard to say where

[profii]

Heaven forbid a read changed on day 1 !

Oh noes

[profii]

So confident it was our town game then a few pages one of us is scum cause we are low posting. Hes obviously mafia. Can we lynch mafia, you guys unvoted for no reason.

I think = confidence?

[profii]

probably just paranoia from a prev. game where i replaced in as caught scum, but koki won the game with a similar style of posting where he just insisted he had a proof he was innocent, even though everyone in the dead thread was like 'thats not right' - i wasnt following the game majorly closely because i was lynched the day i came in but i guess where you are paranoia scum reading me from that other game, im doing the same to koki

[profii]

I’m not sure how the read on me is shaky after 36 posts (or 37 now)

But yeasayer is not after 3 posts

[profii]

My point is more how can you be certain in 3 posts On someone, particularly if you can’t make a decision in 36

[profii]

Paranoid duck

Sivs answer will have a high bearing on how I Read his slot so let’s see

[profii]

Sivs answer will have a high bearing on how I Read his slot so let’s see

Stuff like this reads as fake when you say it ahead of time

I get what you are trying to say, but not really, as the point is implied by asking the question, otherwise, why ask?

[profii]

I’m not sure how the read on me is shaky after 36 posts (or 37 now)

But yeasayer is not after 3 posts

Yawn. Throwing shade on yeasayer.

not really, ive not cast a lean either way on yeasayer

siv is town reading yeasayer and azurite (I take on board he says with a low threshold)

but yeasayer has made 3 posts, the main content from that slot is a vote on azurit


to me, that seems like a conflict worth questioning.

[profii]

the reason i declared about tchil is i had a massive 1v1 in a previous game and caused a loss so i am trying to extend an olive branch early and not get into conflict. i am sure you will say buddying, however, tchill will hopefully recall the disaster that game was and realise why i think conflict is bad.

but as i said, null.

[profii]

Yes I remember the event. Don't think I'll forget it any time soon. I do believe avoiding conflict is generally more dangerous than pursuing it. Scum have reasons for avoiding conflict. Town do not. It helps town solve the game. Scum don't get any help from conflict unless it's conflict that doesn't involve scum. Even then though smart townies can get correct reads off TvT conflicts. So if you're avoiding conflict altogether it's scummy imo.

it has to be controlled otherwise it destroys trust between 2 towns.

[profii]

i thought i didnt have any experience of town!koki, but i just remembered i do ...

if anyone is bored enough to go through previous games (wiki), i played mafia month with town!koki and he did not do this hard push thing
i played one shot mafia with scum!koki where he did towards the end on a alleged result to win.

so it seems logical to assume this is scum koki

VOTE: koki

[profii]

that's fine -i'd happily encourage a wagon if he can obv town himself

[profii]

Nope

[profii]

Guess I’m the nominated scum kill when we lynch you Koki

[profii]

Tchill

There is mod declared no cops. It was a joke by koki

[profii]

I realised between quotes 2 and 3

[profii]

Yea it took me a second to realise there was no cops ha

[profii]

Azurit, what do you think of this koki wagon, how do you read koki right now?

Koki - do you think ruby red has enough experience playing with you to say you are town with confidence at this point?

[profii]

the worst,

specifically, what is scummy about me?

[profii]

Is it bad I dislike how quickly people pussied out of that wagon when it hit l-1

Is it bad that I dislike how Azurit provided a fairly comprehensive read list and managed to miss out the worst

[profii]

Eh that just needs explaining

The worst may not be on the wagon _right now_ but he was on there and jumped off as you pointed out

So I don’t like that Az went to the effort of fairly comprehensive reads on all the other wagoneers and forgot TW

[profii]

Idk why he left the wagon. I am guessing he has played with Ruby before and that causes him to trust that town call. I’ll be keeping an eye on that through the game and should that trust be in doubt then worst very quickly becomes scummy

[profii]

Koki - do you think ruby red has enough experience playing with you to say you are town with confidence at this point?

Hes correctly scumread me as scum before so maybe

Maybe... TW would know that maybe

Or maybe happy coincidence maybe ?

[profii]

Is it bad I dislike how quickly people pussied out of that wagon when it hit l-1

Is it bad that I dislike how Azurit provided a fairly comprehensive read list and managed to miss out the worst

what do you dislike about it profii?
in detail pls

I think I was just baiting to sort you - concluding you are town for now

[profii]

Also

VOTE: MariaR

[profii]

Kokis town we can do a new wagon now guys

[profii]

kinda feel like Performer is too unaware to be scum like their reading comprehension is well thru the floor

I was literally just trying to think of the best way to phrase

“Sometimes players use bizarre logic and appear scummy to me, but they are just town that play in a way I don’t comprehend”

As that + what you said is my thought on performer rn

[profii]

Hi Morality

[profii]

So many scummy people on my wagon. But it's hard to believe all scum would be on me. Maybe 1 or 2

Koki - do you think ruby red has enough experience playing with you to say you are town with confidence at this point?

Hes correctly scumread me as scum before so maybe

What if some mafia's don't care if they are caught? We know there are bad towns, so it stands to reason that we'll run into mafias who don't put any effort into their role. If you look at Koki's mafiascum life, he is overwhelmingly active.

This post is so bad it makes me wanna vote you over profil

I'd have to say

Kokichi, ruby, profii, performer.

That'd be my lynch list from greatest to least.

Now why is kokichi town?

What. How could you want to lynch both me and prof

These are the keys to my progression here -

I looked through all the wagon yesterday and I felt there was more scummy play on the wagon than you

Plus you started looking at the possibility of other scum players which reduces my scum read on you

I iso’d most of the wagon voters yesterday and wasn’t sure which was the _most_ scummy but given 354 seems to be true, I don’t like 353

Why would Town cast doubt over another players reads when there is a suggestion that player isn’t any worse than anyone else as far as I can tell

[profii]

i am not a fine lynch

damn that cute dog.

UNVOTE:

we get to a few more pages and i'll actually attempt to put effort in i guess.

I'd have to say

Kokichi, ruby, profii, performer.

That'd be my lynch list from greatest to least.

Now why is kokichi town?

I'm a bit uneasy on the Tchill progression here.

I don't know what caused Tchil to not vote me when I was under pressure. I don't really know why the wagon came on me, or why a simple sad face was enough to get Tchill off - i can't really defend reasons that aren't clear to me so i just went for a lol

Then I voted Koki and it ballooned into another wagon, which I've stated my thoughts on elsewhere - lets note for now Tchil was involved in this wagon.

later - you see in the last quote that Tchil includes me in his lynchpool despite leaving my wagon, why would you give up on my wagon when it was quite close if you want to lynch me?

so I feel like maybe i was in tchills lynch pool the whole time, koki is probably town and tchil is adding fuel to any passing wagons to see if they go through (i.e. mafia win-con remove any town)

[profii]

yes im adding fuel to any wagons you are correct.

My point is you were on the wagon.
I’m scum reading you so I’m embelleshing

[profii]

This is me unconvinced on Dunn

[profii]

why are you voting dunn?

[profii]

what action of his got you to that conclusion

[profii]

Sivs answer will have a high bearing on how I Read his slot so let’s see

Stuff like this reads as fake when you say it ahead of time

I get what you are trying to say, but not really, as the point is implied by asking the question, otherwise, why ask?

this is your only interaction with or comment on him
where's your mind at?

he's not done anything of note, I suppose you could say active lurking but it feels very easy.

[profii]

nothing really I feel like maybe it's so obvious it's too easy.

[profii]

I know that me being really weak but now the wagon has momentum let me see.
Dunn:
ruby / worst / tchil / koki / azurit / Lucky Otter.

now let's just look at some of the prev. wagons at their peaks

profii (5):
Kokichi Oma, the worst, UnaBombaH, Tchill13, SIV36

koki:
maria / profii / performer / SIV / TChill


the dunn wagon is

mostly

TRs, id say luckyotter is one of my stronger town reads maybe

My gut instinct is I don't TR Tchill and he appears on all the wagons, this is making me think 'any lynch will do for scum' sort of vibes. But again, it's quite simple, scum don't give themselves away like that.

[profii]

It was Poe from the wagon on me iirc with that post I called weird in my head at the time

[profii]

Keep going on Tchill please because idk what your scum tell is but he is really pinging my gut

[profii]

VOTE: tchill

If you thought that was a claim town doesn’t announce it

[profii]

You've gotten a correct read on me one time.

The other one you only got because of an illegal fake claim. Una can't read me lol.

Oic I thought you’d seen a soft

[profii]

You are so paranoid for me


Apparently

[profii]

Someone vote Dunn and I'll quick hammer him

What if I did it

[profii]

Dunn:
ruby / worst / tchil / koki / azurit / Lucky Otter / Performer

profii (5):
Kokichi Oma, the worst, UnaBombaH, Tchill13, SIV36

koki:
maria / profii / performer / SIV / TChill


so those wagons happened, then SIV points out that Koki will hammer so Dunn better claim (VT) then Dunn/worst/chill move to Performer.


Question to Tchill/TW - if it's a VT claim why do you believe the VT claim?
Also - do you think the Dunn is trying to encourage your apparent willingness to run up any given wagon for survival? I'm more convinced about Dunn than Perf following this turnaround flipping scum.

[profii]

Hmm. Are we being driven by scum, or a trigger happy town? Mix of both?

This is exactly what I’m trying to work out.

I’ve never been through 4 wagons on day 1 so IDK what’s going on

Also - having been one of the wagons and it formed for apparently no given reason I am wondering where scum are involved as 1. I know I’m town. 2. I suppose 1 is actually irrelevant - I didn’t think, I did anything scummy to deserve a wagon

It really bothers me that tchil is still saying I’m scummy but can’t give me a reason

[profii]

Why I'm voting: I can see what makes performer scummy. He's got a high quantity of low quality reads. It doesn't add up that he's putting that much energy into the game yet getting things wrong. I was chalking it up to him not reading the game in-depth. I'm also voting him because I'm afraid we may have ran out of options which we'd all agree on for a lynch.

Yet, currently I don't see many scum-team possibilities that include performer being teamed with other members. However, I'm rethinking that as I go through the whole game again. I might have a different outlook on that after.

However - looking at the Performer ISO, this is post contains reasoning I can sheep to get day 1 done

Usually I would say intent to vote here to give Perormer a chance to claim prior to hammer but I’m very tempted to vote given that whilst we have only 1 claim so far (luckily a VT we are on wagon 4 and it’s just some miracle half our PRs aren’t outed yet)

Meh usually snap decision I make myself go wrong some how so I’ll do the safer play

Intent to vote - claim

[profii]

VOTE: Performer


hmmmm

[profii]

Chill is a much better wagon

VOTE: Tchill

[profii]

Wanna get Dunn? Didn’t realise we were so close to deadline

[profii]

He’s back from the past

VOTE: Dunn

If Tchill magically gets momentum, I’d go there but a lynch Tchill ran away from also makes sense

[profii]

I just ISOd SIV


There was one post towny vibes on me but other than that, no definitive read mostly

So he was the one that jumped off the Performer wagon when I threatened to stick Perf. at L-1


Now I was wondering if Koki was going to say “not hammering if profii is setting it up as it’s obviously not a bus” as Koki clearly scum read me.

But SIV did it first but he’s hasn’t scum read me, at least openly in the thread... so does that mean he didn’t want me to cause his scum mate to get hammered or does it just mean he thought I was gonna do it and the way I did it was scummy


Hmm. Either way, link noted

[profii]

twice the dunn wagon has stalled.
I'll stick for a bit

[profii]

L-2? and 24 hours is bit enough to see if that wagon un-stalls. There seems to be some weird shenanigans going on.

[profii]

urgh

LuckyOtter is like my biggest town read and tchill is my biggest scum read.

someone else can do it

[profii]

you'd rather NL? of course you would scum.

where did i say this?

im voting dunn... vote dunn.

[profii]

I don't think that make him scummy, just misguided. Profii has been scummy recently, though.

if only you could OMGUS at this point eh

[profii]

Get on Dunn and make it 2x L-1

[profii]

Too many people coming out to say this istown Dunn for it to be scum work... let’s not no lynch - won’t be on before deadline so

VOTE: performer

[profii]

Imma cop Tchill >:[

[profii]

That’s seems ok to me for now, at least ok enough to move vote

If I was bothered by the wagon I’d be harassing people a lot more - saying that, I still have no idea why I’m up at l-2 so I think someone is scum on wagon

VOTE: UnaBombah

Too many people coming out to say this istown Dunn for it to be scum work... let’s not no lynch - won’t be on before deadline so

VOTE: performer

Imma cop Tchill >:[

Bish bash bosh

[profii]

Tbh performer was lucky as it was more that Dunn seemed less scummy out of the 2 wagon choices

I can’t remember who was on my wagon for me to PoE Una out of it but also more process than read

I defo got Tchil though - I think I said in the dead thread I felt like no one was really following me with that idea, so useful to hard guilty him so easily

[profii]

I’m not sure how to shake that but I enjoy the air of mystery

[profii]

Kinda glad Una was not as chilled as those of you inthe dead thread :p