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Post Post #117 (isolation #0) » Sun May 20, 2018 12:36 am

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Sorry for being late. I only just found the message.

HURT: Hiraki
HEAL: Ausuka

I wouldn't call anyone town for certain, but I don't see why Hiraki thinks Asuka is mafia.

Time for an 8 hour cat nap soon. I'll be back when the sun is up.
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Post Post #232 (isolation #1) » Sun May 20, 2018 12:55 pm

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I'm not sure what I think of the Ausuka Hiraki controversy as of now. I've looked at Hiraki, and I think he's fairly good at scum, but don't know about town.

I like Wisdom. He seems good for town. HEAL: Wisdom

I'm a little wary of Math's suggestions to purposely put scum in the town block. I doesn't seem like an optimal idea. But before he said that, I liked him.

Ducky is probably okay.

If I remember correctly, Not_Mafia is prone to lurking and is tricky to read.

I haven't ever seen or heard of Mylo, or Invisi before now, so It'll take a bit more to be able to read them.
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Post Post #234 (isolation #2) » Sun May 20, 2018 12:59 pm

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It looks like the setup says votes for ones self are invalid. Meaning you don't need to do them. Not entirely sure how that works though. How do you have incidental blocks, if the player them-self isn't in the block?
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Post Post #237 (isolation #3) » Sun May 20, 2018 1:38 pm

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In post 236, Wisdom wrote:
In post 1, northsidegal wrote:Votes for oneself are valid.
@neenie
And that's the second time is as many weeks that I misread something as saying the opposite.

I'd vote for myself, but we can't all be in the townblock, and if we get it wrong, actually you'll be trying to find the scum inside the block, so never mind. As a weaker town player I don't know where it would be most helpful for me to be.

And since I know my own alignment, I am logically the best kitten to put in the block. Anyone else I won't 100% certain on.
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Post Post #251 (isolation #4) » Sun May 20, 2018 3:06 pm

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In post 239, the worst wrote:Same. That kitten is cute af.
I'm Trying to decide what you trusting me after so few posts means. Given everything else, I think you're both town.

By the vote count, the Duck and Wisdom are widely seen as town, as is Ausuka.
Not_mafia is is no one's list, but his own.
Mylo is on a few.
Invisibility is only on the Duck's, as is Hiraki.
Wisdom however doesn't think Hiraki is scummy.
Math is only on Ausuka's list, and only has Mylo on his list.
N_M only has one other person on his list.

I'll add the Duck sometimes, but I'm not in a hurry to get us lining up. In this case, the longer we leave it, the more likely we are to have figured it out correctly. At least that's what my feeling is.
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Post Post #253 (isolation #5) » Sun May 20, 2018 3:26 pm

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What exactly is ~history~?
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Post Post #255 (isolation #6) » Sun May 20, 2018 3:34 pm

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In post 254, Not_Mafia wrote:It's events that happened in the past
History is events that happened in the past.
~history~ is a specific type of past interaction that has a bearing on the present situation.

I was asking what type of past interaction. Simply being in a game together does seem like what the Duck meant.
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Post Post #272 (isolation #7) » Mon May 21, 2018 12:08 am

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Does it help if I remind you that kittens have claws, teeth and magic? Not to mention a support team that includes several wolves, and fierce red hawk.

And as mush as it hurts to do this, ti does make sense.
HURT: NeenieKitHURT: [hurt/]
Oww.

I sort of like that last post of Hiraki's. But it could still have come from Hiraki as scum.
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Post Post #273 (isolation #8) » Mon May 21, 2018 12:09 am

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In post 271, Wisdom wrote:lol ausuka pls dont
What did Ausuka do?

And what if you thoughts on Ausuka right now?
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Post Post #274 (isolation #9) » Mon May 21, 2018 12:10 am

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EBWOP
What are you thoughts on Ausuka?
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Post Post #283 (isolation #10) » Mon May 21, 2018 12:17 am

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In post 276, Wisdom wrote: iso and see her avatar
I see. I still asked another question.
In post 280, Not_Mafia wrote:I'm town
Why?
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Post Post #285 (isolation #11) » Mon May 21, 2018 12:20 am

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In post 284, the worst wrote:
In post 281, Myloninja13 wrote:I have to sleep now (I live in Australia, where it's 9:16 now) but I'll continue my happiness streak tomorrow!
I forgot you're Australian too, neat.
I'm in Adelaide so relatable content
I'm supposed to be British, but my nap cycle is Australian.
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Post Post #294 (isolation #12) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:37 am

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In post 293, Hiraki wrote:
In post 272, NeenieKit wrote:I sort of like that last post of Hiraki's. But it could still have come from Hiraki as scum.
So you don't like me, because I'm not naive enough to put you as town just because you could be? I have looked at you scum game. But right now, you could go either way.
Hiraki wrote:I don't. I just can't town read anyone else but those two.
But we can't all be scum. It's impossible.

*curls up and sleeps till morning*
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Post Post #408 (isolation #13) » Mon May 21, 2018 1:46 pm

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In post 364, Wisdom wrote:ok
i think its invisibility and math
im okay with not_mafia and hiraki being the other two out of the block since people are divided on them
the other 5 are a block that should win this
I'd like to say I agree with this, but there's a small part of me that is paranoid of Wisdom. He feels like town, but he almost feels too much like town. His confidence on me being town, is a little stronger than seems reasonable, and I can't help thinking he could be trying to pocket me. Probably not, but I want to make sure.

Is Wisdom commonly given to strong assertions of people being town?

In post 367, Hiraki wrote:The team is either Ausuka/Neenee or (Invisibility/ducky)/Math

I'm pretty positive here. I think ducky is the town here but I'm not good with reading Invisibility in the first place.
It's not me. What have you seen that makes you think I could be scum with Ausuka?

I could see it being invis and Math. Invis is an unknown who doesn't feel very townie. Math just rubs my fur the wrong way, for some unknown reason, and others think he's possibly scum.

(pls stop posting while I'm trying to post. Sometimes It results in me not realizing it hasn't posted for a couple of hours. Thank you.)
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Post Post #412 (isolation #14) » Mon May 21, 2018 2:41 pm

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In post 409, Wisdom wrote:not that youll care about selfmeta, but you havent actually seen me being confident of a townread yet
Is that talking to me? You sound confident enough.
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Post Post #415 (isolation #15) » Mon May 21, 2018 4:06 pm

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I'll be away from home for half the after noon and all evening. Tow hours in which people can ask me question. I might even be able to answer them. I don't feel as if I know much about anything.
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Post Post #447 (isolation #16) » Tue May 22, 2018 2:53 pm

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In post 418, Myloninja13 wrote:Mathdino is really not acting town here lol.

Can anyone tell me why Invisibilty is scum? My town read on them had already softened, but I'm going to try and avoid sheeping my town reads like I do in every other game lol.

I'm liking Hiraki more, NM is no longer just kinda there and wisdom is a light town lean for me.
Would I be correct in believing you are saying you think NM could be town?
In post 427, Wisdom wrote: Im way more confident than this when im actually confident
I'll believe you.
In post 428, Mathdino wrote:When this fails you guys are probably going to assume I did nothing all day because my scumbuddy is being townread and I just let it happen
I'm honestly surprised no one is paranoid considering you seem to be pairing me with other people who aren't really doing shit

This setup cannot allow a lurker scumteam

I'll get into this for real tomorrow tho
Fair warning yall gonna get ample opportunity to say I'm scrambling
Yknow despite the fact that not doing shit all day was literally part of my plan
Paranoid of who?
Hiraki wrote:Are you actually trying to pull something where you make me try to admit misrepping can be townie because I didn't explicitly call it out in a game where you were clearly town and I was cornered scum?
I think I could argue that misrepping could come from confusion not scumminess. Such as times similar to when I read something as saying the exact opposite. But this is that situation, and math doesn't feel like someone who would be easily confused.
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Post Post #451 (isolation #17) » Tue May 22, 2018 4:14 pm

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In post 448, Hiraki wrote:Math isn't confused here. Don't give him any leeway.
I know. It was a general rather than specific point. Math is confusing though. Are people quieter today, or is it just the wrong time of day? I am waiting for my answers.
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Post Post #470 (isolation #18) » Tue May 22, 2018 11:21 pm

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In post 467, Mathdino wrote:exactly why i would take them

they read as same alignment

if the mission failed, we'd lynch invis
on a scumflip, then lynch mylo because of lol associatives
That sound sort of reasonable. I can't see you setting that up as scum because it would fail immediately if vizzy is town, and we would likely look to you next. And there is no way lynching you partner is a good plan with this ratio.

My preference is still for winning on day 1.

I'm leaning towards Math as town now, though I'd still like to know what other people who know him better think.
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Post Post #476 (isolation #19) » Wed May 23, 2018 1:23 am

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In post 471, Invisibility wrote:HEAL: Neenie
And why do you think that? You do need a reason.
In post 474, Not_Mafia wrote:I'm town
And why should we think that? You've given us no reason?
Hiraki wrote:Ok we doin this

HEAL: Hiraki
Doing what?
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Post Post #519 (isolation #20) » Wed May 23, 2018 12:50 pm

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In post 480, Invisibility wrote:
In post 476, NeenieKit wrote:
In post 471, Invisibility wrote:HEAL: Neenie
And why do you think that? You do need a reason.
you've been generally towny this game?
And that's a reason.

In post 486, Wisdom wrote:so null on neenie, null on tw, null on ausuka
yet invisibility is better than those because..?
Because if it fails, we've probably caught the scum.

I'm not comfortable with Ausuka any more.
HURT: Ausuka

Hiraki seems okay now, but I refuse to include NM in a townblock.

Would someone kindly give me an explanation for Mylo being town.=? For some reason, I've keep forgetting he exists apart from the attempts to lump him with vizzy. I cannot remember what he has done.

I do not know what to make of the Duck now.
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Post Post #520 (isolation #21) » Wed May 23, 2018 12:52 pm

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After doing ISO in Vizzy and Mylo, I'm inclined to thinking Vizzy isn't scum either. He feels nice.
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Post Post #522 (isolation #22) » Wed May 23, 2018 2:40 pm

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In post 521, the worst wrote:*hyperventilates*
Am I really that bad?
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Post Post #527 (isolation #23) » Wed May 23, 2018 9:06 pm

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In post 526, Wisdom wrote:Like, i hurt ausuka, she doesnt like ausuka
Math doubts tw, she doubts tw
I heal hiraki but im hesistant on nm, she says the same thing
And even the way she treats the coalition feels like a math sheep
I was never entirely sure waht I thought of the Duck. I mean I sort of townread him, but not quite enough to add him to my block.

As far as Hiraki goes, correlation does not equal causation. You're not the only one who can see Hiraki has been getting more townie. I never liked NM.

And I felt Ausuka adding Invisibility who was widely not considered town (for some reason) was not good. Just because you said it first, doesn't mean I cannot also think that.

How presisely am I sheeping Math?
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Post Post #528 (isolation #24) » Wed May 23, 2018 9:08 pm

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I will admit I've been a bit lazy. There's a lot of other things taking up my time.
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Post Post #536 (isolation #25) » Wed May 23, 2018 9:38 pm

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In post 529, Wisdom wrote:
In post 524, Wisdom wrote:
In post 519, NeenieKit wrote:Because if it fails, we've probably caught the scum.
except we dont want it to fail
^
This is the way math has approached this
I can understand what Math is doing, and explain it, but I have also said thing that indicate I do not wish to follow this plan.
In post 470, NeenieKit wrote:
In post 467, Mathdino wrote:exactly why i would take them

they read as same alignment

if the mission failed, we'd lynch invis
on a scumflip, then lynch mylo because of lol associatives
That sound sort of reasonable. I can't see you setting that up as scum because it would fail immediately if vizzy is town, and we would likely look to you next. And there is no way lynching you partner is a good plan with this ratio.

My preference is still for winning on day 1.

I'm leaning towards Math as town now, though I'd still like to know what other people who know him better think.
I was okay with Math adding Invisi because I could see he had a reason that made sense from a slightly weird town position.
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Post Post #537 (isolation #26) » Wed May 23, 2018 9:44 pm

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In post 534, Wisdom wrote:yes her "was i so bad" answer shows guilty conscience but thats secondary
I meant bad at mafia. Did I do something stupid? Did i make a joke of the kind people will read all kinds of things into? I wasn't being very serious.

As for my experience level, I don't consider myself great. Yes, I am an alt, and my other account has about 750 posts. I've won one game as scum, a reasonable number as now, though only one of two were personal wins. In my other scum games I was lynched day one, and you were in one, Wisdom.
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Post Post #540 (isolation #27) » Wed May 23, 2018 10:02 pm

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In post 539, Wisdom wrote:got it
Please don't tell them.
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Post Post #546 (isolation #28) » Wed May 23, 2018 10:56 pm

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Oooops. Did you know checking mafia scum on a family member's phone is a really terrible idea?
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Post Post #548 (isolation #29) » Wed May 23, 2018 11:10 pm

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So, is there anything I can do to change you mind?
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Post Post #550 (isolation #30) » Wed May 23, 2018 11:25 pm

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Hiraki was involved in catching her day one in a recent game.
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Post Post #554 (isolation #31) » Thu May 24, 2018 3:41 pm

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Trouble is she's usually obv scum as scum, but sometimes stupid as town.
Invisibility wrote:@hiraki and nm

if your block fails, who should be the first to go?
I strongly second this question. What is your contingency plan?

It is questions like this which make me like Vizzy.
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Post Post #614 (isolation #32) » Fri May 25, 2018 12:09 am

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In post 573, the worst wrote:Leave out
Wisdom
Hiraki
Mathdino
the worst

Send
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NeenieKit
Myloninja13
Invisibility
Ausuka
I'm glad this idea was not considered for long. Me and four people someone is scum reading. (actaully, pretty much everyone but Wisdom is scumread by someone.) Unless someone gives a really good reason, I'm still not sending NM.
In post 598, Wisdom wrote:i suppose
let's assume Hiraki/NM/Mylo/tw/Wisdom is the block
and let's assume it fails, who do we lynch then
I'd prolly vote Mylo and pressure there
I would be torn between NM and Mylo. (When I think about them together, they don't feel like a team however.)
In post 609, Wisdom wrote:but we'd all have to agree that when we get a (pseudo)hammer the coalition that's most voted at that point goes through, no questions asked
In post 610, Myloninja13 wrote:Actually! I HAVE A BRILLIANT IDEA!

How about we do the vote thing, and if you get hammered you get left out of the town block? Would that work?
So the coalition that is most voted and doesn't have that person? What if we don't have many exact overlaps?
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Post Post #615 (isolation #33) » Fri May 25, 2018 12:10 am

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In post 599, Mathdino wrote:like i'm looking through thebrie's scum meta and a lot of the case on her was based around her reads flipping due to votes/pressure and gamestate analysis of the wagons on her

it's whatever

Edit: bad take, man
Pressure me then, if you must.
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Post Post #635 (isolation #34) » Fri May 25, 2018 1:47 pm

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Are we doing the pseudo voting or not?

I'm coming around again on the duck. To quite somethign he said, 'that was not a scum read, but a pause in my town read'. It's getting stronger again, but the coalition suggestion he made yesterday, still makes me hesitate a bit.

And I think I could be persuaded around when it comes to Hiraki and NM. I can't quite put my finger on it, but he feels different to when I played scum with him. And yes, I'm sort of sheeping wisdom because I think he's town, and that he's likely to have good reads.

Ausuka's frustration could come from scum or town (especially if it is general hating mafia), but I'm certainly not putting her in a coalition.
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Post Post #661 (isolation #35) » Sat May 26, 2018 11:16 pm

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Are people have a good weekend? Mine was busy. And I can't use my phone for this account.

I've been thinking more, and I'm going to do this:

HEAL: Hiraki

I still don't think Hiraki was entirely reasonable with that early argument with Ausuka, but the whole of things since then has been more town than scum.
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Post Post #666 (isolation #36) » Sun May 27, 2018 1:22 am

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I do feel for comfortable about the Duck than I do about Mylo, but since he's okay with it, I guess it's alright. You know I'm not positive on NM, but I have been coming around to the possibility town!NM doing what he has.

Do you still think Mylo is the most likely point of failure, Wisdom?

failer, failiar, failure, sometimes spelling is annoying. Or I'm too tired.
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Post Post #669 (isolation #37) » Sun May 27, 2018 1:26 am

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In post 666, Wisdom wrote:hes hard to read but him having the same reads as i do means hes probably town
and hiraki seems to think so as well and maybe he can read him better than i can
Could mean he's trying to fit in with your reads. But with Hiraki involved too, it seems less and less likely. A Hiraki/NM team wouldn't feel like this, I don't think.

As I've mentioned before, Mylo just doesn't get on my raider properly. I know he didn't seem especially scummy when I did ISO, but I don't have any strong feelings.
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Post Post #671 (isolation #38) » Sun May 27, 2018 1:27 am

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In post 669, the worst wrote:
I probably feel more comfortable with the rest of the wagon atm. The Math Vs. NM thing is just hurting my brain a tiny bit.
If I was going to kick up a fuss and request I was subbed in for anyone I would request I was subbed in for NM.
Please explain? I am puzzled.
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Post Post #673 (isolation #39) » Sun May 27, 2018 1:29 am

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Thank you kindly. I'm going to bed now. Far too tired.
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Post Post #676 (isolation #40) » Sun May 27, 2018 1:33 am

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Can't deny I am not familiar with the Duck's meta. Neither scum nor town. Which is a little odd for a familiar player.
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Post Post #798 (isolation #41) » Sun May 27, 2018 12:56 pm

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I did it again, didn't I? Didn't even realize until I started wondering why I wasn't notified of any more replies. (seriously Neenie, stop using the phone. The phone is evil and will mess everything up)

I think Invis is a newbie and would ask pointless questions as either alignment. Math's argument for Invis being town feels reasonable. I still don't trust Math, but that doesn't mean he's wrong here.

Which potentially leaves me with a Math/Ausuka scumteam, and I can't remember if I said anything about that before. Need to ISO myself.
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Post Post #800 (isolation #42) » Sun May 27, 2018 12:57 pm

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In post 799, Mathdino wrote:Hey wisdom wanna swap in tw and swap out neenie
I'm scumreading neenie more and I'm so ready to see Hiraki be wrong
Why would Hiraki be the wrong one given that he's the one who doesn't have me?
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Post Post #808 (isolation #43) » Sun May 27, 2018 1:03 pm

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N_M seemed to be more useful in that linked game. Extremely short posts, but actually doing something.
Hiraki wrote:
In post 803, NeenieKit wrote:
In post 799, Mathdino wrote:Hey wisdom wanna swap in tw and swap out neenie
I'm scumreading neenie more and I'm so ready to see Hiraki be wrong
Why would Hiraki be the wrong one given that he's the one who doesn't have me?
I think he's talking about N_M.
okay
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In post 801, NeenieKit wrote:Which potentially leaves me with a Math/Ausuka scumteam, and I can't remember if I said anything about that before. Need to ISO myself.
Do you think Math/Ausuka goes quiet for as long as they did with NEITHER of them being scumread?
Probably not. But I don't think Invis/Ausuka, and I don't think the Duck is scum, which means a scum in the townblock. Would scum!math argue so much against a block if his partner was in it? I don't think so. I'm puzzled now, and talking to myself.
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In post 798, Wisdom wrote:come on
we will get nowhere like this

@hiraki
Why should I switch to a coalition that I think has scum?
Because I'm not scum? I do see where you're coming from though, and if you ask nicely, I'l change and try to convince Wisdom.
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Post Post #813 (isolation #44) » Sun May 27, 2018 1:07 pm

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I knew I had said something about a particular team being likely or unlikely. Mylo and NM as it turns out. Certainly don't think it's them now. But, I need to work. Got hours of stuff to do, so I'll pretend I'm not able to get on at all.
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Post Post #819 (isolation #45) » Sun May 27, 2018 3:57 pm

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This is it then.

HURT: Neenie

Ouch.

HEAL: the worst
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Post Post #831 (isolation #46) » Sun May 27, 2018 5:11 pm

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Are you crazy Vizzy?

If it's the duck and just the duck (in the bloc), I'd be pretty surprised. He wasn't exactly insisting that he be in the block. He couldn't have know that Wisdom and I would give in to Hiraki and NM. (Well, maybe he could have known on me, since I had said it earlier, but it's still a lot to hang a game on.)
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Post Post #939 (isolation #47) » Mon May 28, 2018 11:51 am

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From recent posts, Mylo is town.
I'm sticking to Wisdom as town.
Same with Hiraki, but if everyone else in the coalition had flipped town, I'd go after him over Wisdom. Not sure where Mylo fits into that hierarchy.

For the previously mentioned reasons of the Duck only getting in by chance, and NM's posts being much less useful than in the linked town game, I would rather lynch NM.

Bit I'm not doing that with no recent vote count because I'm by no means ready to hammer.
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Post Post #940 (isolation #48) » Mon May 28, 2018 12:00 pm

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Though Math making the same point does make me a little uneasy about it.
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Post Post #942 (isolation #49) » Mon May 28, 2018 12:37 pm

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Not Math, because the capital from being involved in a successful scum lynch would not carry him far enough to win, even with the way NM has
Not Vizzy because I think he's smart enough to not kill his partner.
Possibly Ausuka, they really didn't interact much. But Ausuak is in on the NM lynch too.

So that leaves me with the Duck as a possible partner. You win, Wisdom.


(Unless it's you and NM, in which case you definitely win.)(ftr, this is a joke)(because people can misunderstand)
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Post Post #949 (isolation #50) » Mon May 28, 2018 1:06 pm

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In post 949, the worst wrote:ok but this is d1 why are we discussing associatives and not lynching the most conspicuously scummy as fuck player and sorting out their partner tomorrow?

anyone who thinks NM treats his partner the way NM has treated my slot is absolutely nuts or needs to read NM in ISO with more critical thinking. we've been scum together before and it was a fucking blast. this ain't it. if I were scum with NM how fucking easily could I have dug in my heals and insisted that one of us were not in the coalition? wonky access and lack of energy for mafia aside, I never to into d1 phase 2 as scum with a 2/5 chance of one of us being lynched.

this entire situation is actually steaming bullshit and uncomfortably I feel like Wisdom should know better than how he's acting

everyone is ok with his lynch???? I only see myself Math and Ausuka here? there is active counterwagoning? what are you even angling at?
Breaking the possibility of you and NM being a team, after I've narrowed it down to you as most likely partner, doesn't really leave me anywhere to go other than crazier places, or NM being town.

Except I still think you would have found some better way than chance to ensure you got into the coalition, so i don't know.

I'm beginning to hate conundrums.

I'll be out and about for the next few hours, after which most people will be napping. So no more input until later. Next morning for some of you, maybe.
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Post Post #957 (isolation #51) » Tue May 29, 2018 11:20 am

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Invisibility wrote:i don't think duckling is scum
Any particular reason, Vizzy?

Unqualified statements don't really qualify. (Don't mean much)
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Post Post #973 (isolation #52) » Tue May 29, 2018 5:35 pm

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In post 964, Mathdino wrote:Anyone claiming there's definitely scum in {Invis, Mathdino} is legitimately dumb. I've been calling Invis town for days now.

Like I'm getting the impression that us being outside of the coalition is the only thing stopping you guys from lynching the two of us in succession. It doesn't take much thought to decide that if there IS scum in Invis/Dino, it's probably scum-me being right on Invis, not town-me getting pocketed by advanced scum-Invis.

The idea that literally everyone is okay with lynching N_M is fair but I would also point out that I've won as scum with him by bussing him D1 and mislynching like 4 guys solo. N_M is one of the most bussable scumplayers on the planet.

But sure, I'll check ISOs and see who is even a viable partner at this rate.
UNVOTE:
I don't think I was meant as one of 'you guys', but I think Vizzy is more likely town. (not sure about you Math) Also, there's a few people who would be trying to lynch me if I wasn't outside the coalition.

If NM is scum being bussed, I don't think Math as his partner would bring up the possibility. Vizzy would never come up with such a plan, and Ausuka isn't a likely candidate. Which means it's the ex-Duck, and I suppose that is possible.

If NM is town, we keep keep lynching in the coalition until we hit scum. If he is scum... we can decided later. I think I want to lynch the Duck first. His associative are less puzzling.

Unless I've really misread Hiraki or Wisdom, and one of them is bussing the Duck? I really don't want to think about that.

I'm going to wait on the votecount. Have people noticed that we have less time?
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Post Post #979 (isolation #53) » Tue May 29, 2018 8:12 pm

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In post 978, the worst wrote:
In post 976, NeenieKit wrote:If NM is town, we keep keep lynching in the coalition until we hit scum. If he is scum... we can decided later. I think I want to lynch the Duck first. His associative are less puzzling.

Unless I've really misread Hiraki or Wisdom, and one of them is bussing the Duck? I really don't want to think about that.
uuuhhhhhhh

try: my associatives are less complicated because I'm town. we're lynching NM. EOD.
I really, really want to believe you. But I'm paranoid of almost everyone now, and even if NM flips scum, I won't feel comfortable about you while you're alive. I really, really wish I could be a cop. Which is a problem.
Ausuka wrote:(hiraki probs)
Hiraki is likelier than Wisdom. For one Wisdom is townier, secondly scum!Hiraki can avoid getting lynched much easier if theres another scum in the coalition. While Wisdom looking towniest would probably be the last in the coaltion lynched if he was the only scum. Maybe? Hiraki could have managed well enough too probably. And id that is what's happening, we have seen through the plan quick enough. Is this idea nonsense?
In post 967, Mathdino wrote:That doesn't answer who's scum in the coalition if it's not N_M though.
If NM is town, we lynch TW next.

Still haven't decided who to lynch.
Myloninja13 wrote:AHhh, this is way harder than it should be!
'tis frustrating. The real Neenie would do better. Not that the real Neenie is real either.
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Post Post #1008 (isolation #54) » Wed May 30, 2018 11:56 pm

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Right now I'm pretty sure I won't be able to sort out TW and N_M for sure without flipping one of them.

I'm going to go with N_M because I feel slightly better about that.

The more I think about it, the more ridiculous a TW/N_M is. As I think TW said sometime, he'd play differently if he was scum with N_M.

VOTE: Not_Mafia
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Post Post #1009 (isolation #55) » Wed May 30, 2018 11:57 pm

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By the way, I was not purposely ignoring this game. I just forgot to make sure I hadn't messed up the subscription by being logged in with another account last time I looked.
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Post Post #1013 (isolation #56) » Thu May 31, 2018 11:19 am

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N_M and TW are both at three votes. Also TW voted for N_M when he was already voting for him. And nothing has happened since I last posted, so I can nothing else to say.
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Post Post #1031 (isolation #57) » Thu May 31, 2018 11:55 am

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Math, who are you proposing as Hiraki's partner?
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Post Post #1085 (isolation #58) » Thu May 31, 2018 7:45 pm

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Agreed.

I'm better about voting NM over TW, but I still don't know who to pair him with. I'm coming around to Math's idea about Hiraki, though parts of the argument are a bit of a stretch.
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Post Post #1101 (isolation #59) » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:02 am

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Mylo and Wisdom and my biggest townreads.

I think Vizzy is town, but nowhere near strongly.

Math is a puzzle. I don't see a good scum partner for him, so I'm leaning strongly towards town.

TW is slowly turning back into a town lean.

Hiraki has dropped in my estimation, but day 1 interactions aren't enough to go off concerning him.

There's a chance NM is being framed, but with today's information, I can't see a better lynch, and he's not been towny.

Ausuka isn't one my radar of people to deal with right now.
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Post Post #1102 (isolation #60) » Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:04 am

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In post 1037, Mathdino wrote:
In post 1034, NeenieKit wrote:Math, who are you proposing as Hiraki's partner?
You
Not_Mafia
Ausuka

Very slim chance of Hiraki forcing tw into the coalition in order to bus him
Do you really think Ausuka fits, what with the argument between the two of them early on?
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Post Post #1115 (isolation #61) » Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:35 am

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In post 1115, Not_Mafia wrote:Anyone fancy an invisibility flashwagon
We're not voting outside the coalition.

(Why aren't I asleep right now?)
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Post Post #1146 (isolation #62) » Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:25 am

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I hope NM is scum.
If he's town, I'm split between Hiraki and TW.
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Post Post #1149 (isolation #63) » Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:32 am

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I mean I'd rather go after Hiraki, but there's two little voices telling me to go after TW.
One reminds me I used to town read Hiraki, and strongly considered lynching the Duck and it's not really their actions that changed my mind.
The other says I better lynch the Duck because people will say I'm his partner if I protect him.

Summary of what I've said about Mylo. Had trouble noticing him, then settled on him as town around when the coalition was settled. He said something that looked very towny.
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Post Post #1157 (isolation #64) » Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:38 pm

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I'm not indifferent. I've just lost confidence in my reads. Math's been confusing me and I don't trust him enough to follow his lead.

Though he wasn't behind me shifting on the Duck. Nah, Duck doesn't have good partners. Sticking him with someone outside the coalition doesn't very well because they were so close to losing and weren't doing much about it. (or would doing something about it draw too much attention to them?) my intuition is driving me mad with so few solid facts to anchor it to.
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Post Post #1158 (isolation #65) » Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:40 pm

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Vizzy, Wisdom, can you name some independently scummy things that Mylo has done.

I am town, and I'm sorry I can't make you believe me.
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Post Post #1161 (isolation #66) » Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:50 pm

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In post 1163, Myloninja13 wrote:Wait, why is everyone suddenly voting me lol?
Because I was too open about my uncertainties, so they think I'm scum, and that you're the most likely partner for me in the Coalition.
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Post Post #1163 (isolation #67) » Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:53 pm

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So because we have a scum pool of five people, there's no need to show one of those people has done anything scummy before lynching them?

Was that worded weirdly? I think it was.
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Post Post #1164 (isolation #68) » Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:54 pm

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You think NM is town then?
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Post Post #1176 (isolation #69) » Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:24 pm

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Hiraki's last post doesn't sound like something scum!Hiraki would say. I'm not listening to Math anymore.

If it's not Not_Mafia (seeming likelier with his comments after the not-hammer), it's the Duck.
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Post Post #1178 (isolation #70) » Sat Jun 02, 2018 7:50 pm

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She does. There's also town-meta for Invisi.

Has anyone here actually looked at any of Brie's town meta?

Please do, because I would hate it if we lost due to no one bothering to have a good look at my play.

(I'm going to study the Duck)
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Post Post #1179 (isolation #71) » Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:33 pm

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After looking at the Duck's scum meta, the only barrier I have to him being scum now is the chance he took by not trying to get in the coaltion.
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Post Post #1198 (isolation #72) » Sun Jun 03, 2018 3:22 pm

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In post 1195, Invisibility wrote:
In post 1149, NeenieKit wrote:I hope NM is scum.
If he's town, I'm split between Hiraki and TW.
is there a reason they can't be scum together?
Hiraki and the Duck wouldn't play like this if they were a team. Hiraki wouldn't have hard insisted that TW had to be in the team. And he'd being trying to lynch NM before TW.

Hiraki, are you saying that the Duck is scum, and that Invisi and I are the possible partners?

PoE is telling me the Duck must be it. I don't think N_M knew he wasn't hammered, and I don't think he was messing with us. I hope.

VOTE: the worst

(I'm going to be semi inactive for the next few days, and V/LA for a few after that. But I'll check in as much as I can. Too invested in this game now to quit.)
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Post Post #1203 (isolation #73) » Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:40 pm

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What's your case on Hiraki, Duck?

And general reads outside the coalition. If I'm town (which I'm afraid won't be believed until I'm dead), who's most likely scum?

If you're town, the least you can do is give us lots to work with.
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Post Post #1205 (isolation #74) » Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:45 pm

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Numbers wise, might it be beneficial to not lynch today (if that's an option), rather than risking a mislynch? I feel like I could get more certainty on my reads with one flip, because I'm terribly unsure right now.

Though it's likely the kill would be Ausuka if Ausuka is town. There's not been enough coming from there that a flip would make much difference, right?
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Post Post #1209 (isolation #75) » Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:56 pm

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But it's not.
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Post Post #1229 (isolation #76) » Sun Jun 03, 2018 7:24 pm

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In post 1218, the worst wrote: there's no reason I don't vote Mylo here. Neenie's eerie defence to Wisdom's suggestion really strongly suggests an agenda too.
Eerie defense? Which one was that?
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Post Post #1233 (isolation #77) » Sun Jun 03, 2018 7:52 pm

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It's me thinking stupid thoughts out loud. That's what it is. I should stop doing it. Especially on the occasions I come around to it being a bad idea. I mean the more I think about it, the magnitude of its stupidity grows. Even if it was highly likely a flip would give information, we should still lynch, right?

What I probably should have asked was if a no lynch was ever a good idea outside of mylo (not myloninja). Your response says never.

But what in particular was this supposed to be defending against?
Ausuka wrote: This post is a scumclaim, yes. But it feels like an intentional one.
Why would I intentionally scum claim?
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Post Post #1239 (isolation #78) » Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:04 pm

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“I’m stupid,” Fox said to his moke. “Did you know I was stupid?”
“Are you talking to the lizard, or to us?” Ron asked.
“The lizard. I’m not stupid enough to ask you that question."

I'm stupid. But on from that.



Wisdom, if Mylo flips town, what's your next step? In other words, what would you want us to do if you were NKed?
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Post Post #1241 (isolation #79) » Sun Jun 03, 2018 8:08 pm

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I may have been on the site a while, but I've only played one or two other games that were straight mountainous with no weird mechanics.

Okay.
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Post Post #1322 (isolation #80) » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:45 pm

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UNVOTE:

Two supposed lynches now, and they both psuedo clear the target. TW clearer than N_M. Hiraki's reaction to Wisdom suggesting the me/Mylo team sounded like town to me. PoE...

Mylo...

I hate this game in the nicest way possible.
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Post Post #1323 (isolation #81) » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:46 pm

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Tho' I'm not sure on Hiraki.
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Post Post #1333 (isolation #82) » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:59 pm

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Why are you voting outside the coalition?

And Math, you know Invis plays sort of like this as town.
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Post Post #1335 (isolation #83) » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:02 am

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Who guys make two?

Nice test.
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Post Post #1354 (isolation #84) » Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:34 am

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I like music, quite a variety of music. But it must be musical. Like this.


And in another world, with different parents, I might send them to Australia.


Duck, is Hiraki PoE for you, or an actual scum read?
Also, If you'd like to put it into detail what makes Mylo so town, I'd appreciate it. I think he's town, but that read was formed when the coalition was solidified, and while nothing has screamed scum, I haven't done the research the back it up.
The real Neenie would be ashamed.


And I totally agree that the idea of scum!Wisdom not something to be contemplated.
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Post Post #1356 (isolation #85) » Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:50 am

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Which means Math is right. Which is annoying because Math has an aggravating playstyle.

Anyway, I better go sleep. I can't sew a coat in four days with no sleep.
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Post Post #1373 (isolation #86) » Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:39 pm

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Oooh, I could hammer Hiraki.

I won't though. Not yet.

He's being, well not exactly defensive, but pushing rather hard on the 'TW could have counted the votes' thing. Maybe he could have but he sounded very genuine. More so than N_M.

My personal opinion is that N_M did think he was hammered, but the reaction was of the kind that could have just been messing with us. Not that I currently think he's scum, but that hammer test wasn't conclusive.
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Post Post #1388 (isolation #87) » Tue Jun 05, 2018 12:43 am

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Math, I thought I was the one who couldn't make up my mind. Are you really that uncertain on Hiraki that you want to give up when he's not actively avoiding the lynch. It seems like he's now succeeding in passively avoiding the lynch. Temporarily at least.

To be clear, I didn't hammer because I didn't intend to vote there, but just because we have time left and I prefer not to hammer. Not sure what the time will bring, but so far it's shown you backing down.

(There was that time a year ago when as town, Brie pushed a lynch through in under 48 hours, but usually much time is spent.)
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Post Post #1449 (isolation #88) » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:20 pm

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Leaving 20 minutes ago (I'm late) not back till Tuesday. Absolutely No Internet.
Don't lynch anyone until I return.
Probably Hiraki. Wish I'd voted there so Math had a choice for hammer.
Mylo doesn't tell us a lot, but Wisdom pushed even though Mylo wasn't independently scummy. Don't know if that means a thing.
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Post Post #1503 (isolation #89) » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:19 pm

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RC is NSG, really? Really? Well, hello.

Vizzy / NM doesn't seem at all likely. Also if Wisdom is town, I'm seriously disappointed in him. He's been reading us wrong every time. Myloninja with no evidence. Hiraki, though he'd generally had Hiraki as town before that. (Though I probably would have lynched Hiraki too).

But Vizzy and NM are both coming on and voting for Wisdom. One of them has to be his prtne, but I'm not sure which.

(same)
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Post Post #1504 (isolation #90) » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:21 pm

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Also:


Don't lynch anyone while I'm gone, she said. It should be easy, (she didn't say, because theres no way they'd lynch anyone in just four days).
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Post Post #1506 (isolation #91) » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:23 pm

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I'm not telling you to unvote Vizzy. I was talking about yesterday. I'm not gone now. Not until the game is finished.
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Post Post #1514 (isolation #92) » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:37 pm

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In post 1516, Invisibility wrote:there's a secret message i'm not getting and it's really bugging me
At least you know there's a secret message. Because I'm not even seeing one.
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Post Post #1517 (isolation #93) » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:05 pm

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Are we actually going to do something? Or are we just going to talk about trivial things?

Vizzy, why do you think Wisdom is scum over N_M?
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Post Post #1519 (isolation #94) » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:39 pm

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Oh, I know what Wisdom did. But I wanted to know what you think.

Also Wisdom has to ignore the Duck's reaction to the fake hammer (which was pretty genuine), if he's not going to scumread N_M by POE. He's leaving both of them as options, then trying to push a lynch on me.

I think N_M has got to be his scum buddy, or he would have already lynched there.
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Post Post #1521 (isolation #95) » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:46 pm

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Wisdom.

I think it's Wisdom/N_M, but there's a higher chance of Wisdom/Vizzy than N_M/Vizzy.

VOTE: Wisdom
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Post Post #1524 (isolation #96) » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:58 pm

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Mad because you're not sure it is Wisdom, or mad that it's had to come to this, or mad because scum are bussing?

Don't rush. Losing in 5-way lylo is the worst.
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Post Post #1532 (isolation #97) » Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:17 pm

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In post 1528, the worst wrote:
In post 1527, NeenieKit wrote:Losing in 5-way lylo is the worst.
I don't want to be associated with this. :(

and also.......... all of the above
You are referencing me using your name there right?

If it's obviously me and N_M, why was he one of my considered lynches?

And yes, POE is an okay reason, but you POEed us to Mylo, then to Hiraki, and haven't lynched anyone out of plain scummyness.

TW, think everything through very carefully before you vote. You know it's not NM/you.
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Post Post #1569 (isolation #98) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 11:17 am

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Careful, careful, Vizzy.
NM could have hammered me then. And you don't want that to happen unless you're the scum.

You did say yesterday that you didn't think I was scum anymore. What changed?

Good job, Duck.
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Post Post #1570 (isolation #99) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:32 pm

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It has got to be NM.

The way Wisdom has acted around him makes sense with them as a team, and it doesn't with Vizzy.

VOTE: Not_Mafia
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Post Post #1573 (isolation #100) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:34 pm

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and if it is Vizzy and Wisdom, they deserve the win. At least Vizzy does. I'm not feeling much good will towards Wisdom.

Are you telling me to unvote?

He's been protecting you.
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Post Post #1574 (isolation #101) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:34 pm

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okay
UNVOTE:

What makes you town?
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Post Post #1576 (isolation #102) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:48 pm

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He refused to even consider lynching you, and he probably could have done it without too much suspicion.
He pretty much ignored you.

And I know you can do better than this. Your posts can be more useful than they have this game.

I can see a few posts that don't fit perfectly with you as Wisdom's partner, but I feel confident enough with Vizzy being town.

Vizzy wouldn't have put Wisdom to L-1 if they were partners. And Wisdom was trying to convince Vizzy that he wasn't the scum in a way he wouldn't have done if they were partners.
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Post Post #1577 (isolation #103) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:49 pm

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Why'd you vote for Hiraki, N_M?
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Post Post #1579 (isolation #104) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:55 pm

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Wisdom did try to push for me. But I knew I was town. Vizzy thought I was town, and the Duck was uncertain enough that he thought he was better off lynching inside the coalition. You didn't have the numbers.
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Post Post #1583 (isolation #105) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:03 pm

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In post 1521, Invisibility wrote:Wisdom tried to SuperNice his way into the coaliton then lynch off of it
if you have the time, reread the game. you can easily see that strat.
also don't think that you aren't the scumbuddy anymore
You were talking to me here, Vizzy. Telling me how Wisdom was scum. Which doesn't make sense if you're his partner.

(Why am I arguing as if I need to convince you two that out of the two of you Vizzy is town and NM is scum? You both know your own alignments.)
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Post Post #1585 (isolation #106) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:18 pm

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If I'm not the scum buddy, doesn't that make me town?

If I'd been scum, I wouldn't have voted for Wisdom, we would have lynched NM instead.
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Post Post #1588 (isolation #107) » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:30 am

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Here goes.

VOTE: Not_Mafia
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Post Post #1592 (isolation #108) » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:36 am

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Wait, so it was you and Wisdom? Good game then, though I'm annoyed at myself for multiple reasons.
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Post Post #1605 (isolation #109) » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:37 am

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Duck, you said you had something to say to me. After you hammered Wisdom?
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Post Post #1612 (isolation #110) » Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:56 pm

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I can see now that I should have waited longer. The other time I've been in three player LyLo, I took at least a week. But I was too hasty.
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