Micro 803: The Coalition

[Hiraki]

/confirm

[Hiraki]

Can you double hurt people? This is a very important question.

[Hiraki]

Heh

Nothin personnel

*Dodges your blade then flash steps behind you and puts you into a genjutsu that disables your dodge and stabs u with my 12 foot katana*

[Hiraki]

Control F Hiraki - 0

Heal: the worst
Hurt: Ausuka

[Hiraki]

Why do you guys HURT people who arent in your coalition

Is it meant to signify you scumread someone or?

Yes.

You, math, invisibility town

Why aren't you voting then?

HEAL: Theworst
HURT: Wisdom

[Hiraki]

U right - I take that back.

[Hiraki]

@Mod: Ausuka was hurt. I'll stop doing that since I realize that can be confusing.

[Hiraki]

Yeah, I think Ausuka is the easiest to read too.

[Hiraki]

HEAL: Myloninja

Don't heal Ausuka.

[Hiraki]

I'm so close to adding Invisibility but I need a little more.

[Hiraki]

you are not hiraki and thus you cannot know what pings him and what doesnt

HEAL: Wisdom

Hiraki's read on me is hilariously fake and he should never be allowed into any townbloc. Consider the fact that

Correct, within the span of 3 posts on 2 pages, you had 2 people healed and 1 person hurt. You have 3 solid reads by page 2? Really? And you're calling me fake?

Then to justify it your response is:

gut

If it's gut, and it's page 2, why did you feel the need to vote? You never asked any questions and you just went right for it. That doesn't seem town motivated to me.

And yet he seems to scumread me so strongly that he has to keep reminding everyone about it;

Correct - because you've done NOTHING to dig yourself out of the hole. I'm surprised people aren't actually reading you. At face value, your little sneaks through the game aren't very bad. Keep the above in mind when you say -

Considering the content I've given so far scumreading me feels flat-out disingenuous.

Which again reiterates that you have no intention of figuring out the game but you're just going to let it slide super hard.

Hiraki had no reaction.

I don't really react to things like a Youtuber.

I think the best point to look at how much snipping Ausuka is doing here to look for specific key text and phrases rather than actively questioning is here:

I dont agree with ausuka

Who's scum then?

Note that the original quote was -

I dont agree with ausuka but shes probably town

HEAL: ausuka

Yet Ausuka went right onto the point that might have insinuated her a little as scum. She doesn't even bring up the point that Wisdom is TRing her.

I wouldn't call anyone town for certain, but I don't see why Hiraki thinks Asuka is mafia.

HEAL: Ausuka

Yuck.

[Hiraki]

Then why hasn't she asked me why I'm scumreading her?

[Hiraki]

Then why hasn't she asked me why I'm scumreading her?

You're both put off by the other not doing what you expect them to
It doesn't work like that

I'm pretty sure not having the right mindset is how it works.

[Hiraki]

Gonna try something new in a few games. Everytime I write long posts, I'm gonna bold what I think are the most important points for other people to read. Boldnotes, if you will.

... what? I voted because it's a way to indicate reads. There is no purpose whatsoever to not voting. It's a good practice in general.

Gut reads. On page 2. Mmmk.

What am I supposed to ask? "Hey Invisibility, why do you ping me? I expect an 100 word essay and I want it by Thursday." or something?

Pretty disingenuous and completely misses the point. I'd hope that maybe your town meta is better than this.

You should try and figure out why your reads are doing something abnormal from town behavior.

I have no intention of figuring out the game because I don't think someone scumreading me just because I had 3 reads on page 2 is realistic??? I obviously do have intentions of figuring out the game. I have reads, I've shared them, and I've got a 5-player bloc that I think solves the game. In comparison, you've only healed the popular townreads and tunneled on me.

This is a two parter:

I have no intention of figuring out the game because I don't think someone scumreading me just because I had 3 reads on page 2 is realistic??? I obviously do have intentions of figuring out the game. I have reads, I've shared them, and I've got a 5-player bloc that I think solves the game.

On page 6? That gut must be pretty strong.

In comparison, you've only healed the popular townreads and tunneled on me.

Should I not be healing townreads? What's the difference if they're popular? This is a paradox in itself. Ausuka is backhandedly saying that I'm just sheeping people and then also reminds everyone that I'm tunneling on someone who is a "popular townread". This is probably one of the worst backhands I've seen.

That's not the point I was making and you know it.

Actually, it quite clearly was. I don't react to things unless they require reaction your post:

Clearly, the fact that I scumread Invisibility didn't mean anything to him (even though that's pretty much the only thing in those posts that can be read into) considering that when Mathdino did this;

Hiraki had no reaction.

I didn't include the MathDino quote because I didn't really care to edit. Ausuka wanted me to talk about something that I didn't talk about. I don't even get what this means except that I didn't react to it.

Why should I have commented on MathDino's SR? It's pretty clear he's not in the game right now.

after you literally just snipped my post to respond to something completely out of context.

Yeah, for the same reason, because I didn't want to deal with the quotes. The same intention is still there and the fact that you are actually calling me out on misrepping a post when I clearly addressed the point is super scummy.

Also snipping quotes to respond to the bits you want to respond to is absolutely not a scumtell and I don't think town!hikari thinks it is? Like, I can give links if you want but I don't know why I need to.

Never said this. Here's what I said - which you quoted but either didn't read or are just trying to misrep:

I think the best point to look at how much snipping Ausuka is doing here to look for specific key text and phrases rather than actively questioning is here:

Which refers to something you just brought up next in the post where you're going for zingers rather than comprehensive reads.

HE LITERALLY SAID I WAS PROBABLY TOWN. And I'm worried about him insinuating me as scum? What? He literally just said he was disagreeing with my reads but I was town. If I'm scum that's just as good to me as agreeing with me and calling me town.

Yeah, but I don't think you read that far. The above kind of proves that.

Why should I ask you for reasoning? If there's reasoning you want to give, just share it; otherwise I'll just assume there's nothing you want to say about it, otherwise you would've just, you know, given your reasoning?

Right - we're still on 4 people townbloc all on gut.

Can't really blame the coalition

Except if it's not yours. Won't fail if you just follow me.

[Hiraki]

As in we should agree on who's the most lynchable within the coalition if and when things go wrong
If we have 3 or 4 definite townreads, one should be difficult to read and likely to win as scum

I thought about this a little more. I'm not a fan. Too much risk.

[Hiraki]

I'm with Wisdom.

[Hiraki]

Mobile posting:

I'm honestly going to respond to most of the above by quoting myself. It's getting pretty outrageous at this point.

@TW: have you ever played a game where you could say 3 people were collectively town or scum by page 2 and say well it was gut? Now, if you did, were you town or scum?

[Hiraki]

Above was in reference to Ausuka's last post which was on the prior page.

Pre-Edit: then why vote?

[Hiraki]

He's waiting for the town bloc hammer.

[Hiraki]

Are you saying I'm not supposed to have gut reads on page 2? because that makes, like, no sense. I can even link a game where I had a gutread on page 2 off the top of my head. Here.

1) That person had 6 posts in one page.
2) As stated earlier, the problem is not that you had gut reads. It's that you had 3 gutreads that you were willing to vote for on Page 2. Saying you have reads and voting them are two very different things.
3) Wisdom only posted twice in that period. Is that really enough to vote for?

The point was, as I said in that very post, that the thing you objected to about me couldn't have been the invisibility SR because Mathdino did it and you did nothing. That was accurate.

Why should I have commented on MathDino's SR? It's pretty clear he's not in the game right now.

Again, the bit about his read on me had NO relevance to that WHATSOEVER and there is NO reason for me to quote it and/or respond to it.

Mhmm

And you're saying it's scummy for me to not respond to Wisdom saying "she's probably town."

Correct. You had to manually edit that out of the post or just highlight part of the post. Why?

No, there's just been no reason for me to push my townreads, because atm nobody is really scumreading in {Math, mylo, wisdom, tw} as far as I'm aware. I gave my reasons above anyway though.

Then when it doesn't pass, you'll be interested in lynching within you, Math, mylo, wisdom, and TW, no?

Taking Wisdom's word on you a tiny bit--the original case did feel reachy, but honestly I don't see town benefiting from doing what you're doing this game.

I don't really take advice but I'll keep that in mind.

@Mod: Does Mafia have daytalk?

And since I know my own alignment, I am logically the best kitten to put in the block. Anyone else I won't 100% certain on.
HEAL: NeenieKit

Can you unvote yourself for now though? That's what Math was talking about earlier about unvoting themselves. This way your last vote is yourself for your coalition.

Because i dont remember hiraki shading invisibility

Yeah, I was trying to get a read on him earlier but I got nothing. I'm still at nothingwhere.

@Wisdom - how sure are you on Neenie? I want you to read his posts for substance not character.

[Hiraki]

Guys, if you're having trouble with hurt/heal, use the vote tags and then switch the text from vote to hurt or heal.

My coalition is going to either have N_M or Math as the last person.

[Hiraki]

Because I can't put down anyone else.

[Hiraki]

I really don't like people who say one thing and then backtrack it.

[Hiraki]

I don't. I just can't town read anyone else but those two.

[Hiraki]

I sort of like that last post of Hiraki's. But it could still have come from Hiraki as scum.

[Hiraki]

Yeah, and I have two people I'm mulling over. I don't have confidence in your doing being reasonably town.

[Hiraki]

You're that certain on Neenie?

[Hiraki]

Why ask this?

Invisibility read.

[Hiraki]

I lied, I'm most definitely choosing between invisibility and n_m based off of mod's answer

[Hiraki]

HEAL: N_M

[Hiraki]

Lmk when you guys are good to proceed. This is all town.

[Hiraki]

N_M is PoE

[Hiraki]

>greentext

[Hiraki]

I think Math is confused about this game.

[Hiraki]

WIFOMing me into being scum is super questionable considering the amount of theoretical control I could have over a setup like this

so far every suggestion you've had toward changing the idea of coalition has been shot down and even made people (not me) look at you weirdly

[Hiraki]

I mean you called both me and Wisdom a few pages ago.

[Hiraki]

Actually, I see what you meant now. My bad.

[Hiraki]

You could just sheep my reads. There's no confusion there.

[Hiraki]

All pretty high. 90?

I don't see what you don't like about Wisdom posting.

[Hiraki]

Starting to doubt.

[Hiraki]

If you hurt wisdom ducky, I hurt you

[Hiraki]

MY MAN THAT'S WHERE I'M DIVIDED

SEE I KNEW THE POE COULDN'T BE WRONG

[Hiraki]

The team is either Ausuka/Neenee or (Invisibility/ducky)/Math

I'm pretty positive here. I think ducky is the town here but I'm not good with reading Invisibility in the first place.

[Hiraki]

TW, Hiraki was one of the people in my game who refused to lynch Kiana Kaslanas vigclaim lol
Confidence is not equivalent to accuracy

Blatant misrep to the actual situation

[Hiraki]

I mean the point of you lying about me being wrong is a clear attempt to discredit me and my ability to read players - something that is getting really old every time I prove you wrong

[Hiraki]

So you're straight up just saying I'm being an asshole and not actually playing to my best ability?

[Hiraki]

Seems odd to say that to someone who you think is scum tbh...

[Hiraki]

Cool then you can both be in the townbloc

[Hiraki]

Well you didn't really say you changed your read... Am I supposed to assume it changed?

[Hiraki]

Not sure if now is the right time N_M since Mylon isn't even here or voting. I'm now motivated to end this D1, have to play politics.

[Hiraki]

So let's be clear here -

1) You misrepped me just to make a point that I've been wrong but not actually because I never said anything that you said, I just didn't vote because of the circumstances of that game.
2) You've actively criticized people for reading Ausuka without knowing anything while also simultaneously saying that you think, from what you've heard, that she is easy to read.
3) You are confused that people are having trouble reading Ausuka which leads us to:

You have no read on Ausuka.

?

[Hiraki]

To make 1 a little more fleshed out, this is important because the worst followed me on my read of Ausuka. Not just a random tangent.

[Hiraki]

OK - that answers 2 and 3 but not really 1. Usually people do that when trying to get people to change their mind, were you just doing it for the fun of it?

[Hiraki]

You could say that yeah

Won't replace into your games anymore then.

[Hiraki]

You could say that yeah

Won't replace into your games anymore then.

Don't see how this is at all personal

It's not like I don't meta people that don't play my games

You just said you misrepped me for fun and lied about me - for fun. What part shouldn't I take personally? The part where you tried to attack my integrity by lying or the part where you hide behind the fact that you're calling it meta?

[Hiraki]

Being scummy was part of my plan all along! Believe me!

[Hiraki]

Misrepping is not scummy!

[Hiraki]

Yeah, and it was pretty dumb when you did it there too. You were town otherwise there.

[Hiraki]

I never said it was town in that game so...?

[Hiraki]

Are you actually trying to pull something where you make me try to admit misrepping can be townie because I didn't explicitly call it out in a game where you were clearly town and I was cornered scum?

[Hiraki]

I'm not explaining why misrepping is a scumtell lol, argue with yourself

[Hiraki]

Math isn't confused here. Don't give him any leeway.

[Hiraki]

Half of Math's postings on this page can be put in a post together and then cued to the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme.

[Hiraki]

Which is pretty bad for our chances of winning on d1 but whatever

As much as I trolled Hiraki, I haven't actually looked into his accuracy and in truth I barely remember him in clownspiracy

Granted I'm not sure it's in his scumrange to promise never to play my games again lol

Let me be clear - I just don't deal with assholery of this level in general, regardless of role.

[Hiraki]

Ok we doin this

HEAL: Hiraki

[Hiraki]

Me and NM are summoning Exodia. You may join us, if you'd like.

[Hiraki]

But also, we're wrong on Ausuka because Hiraki did this one thing in this other game that he really didn't do

[Hiraki]

Closer wisdom, closer

[Hiraki]

1s for number 1

[Hiraki]

No chance of neenie

[Hiraki]

why is nm town?

Really good vibes when he picked the same scum scenarios as me

[Hiraki]

You sound like Math now

[Hiraki]

Not you N_M

[Hiraki]

I don't mind if he sheeps. He's the one I'm actually unsure of. Plot twist!

[Hiraki]

Someone asked me who I thought would be the one to blame if my coalition wouldn't go through

It's Mylo in that case but I don't feel that will happen.

[Hiraki]

The only read that me and Math disagree with is N_M and he can't even be bothered to read the reasoning on why I like N_M. He just assumed one thing must've been the end all.

[Hiraki]

Don't.

[Hiraki]

He hasn't voted himself yet.

[Hiraki]

Yeah, this is why I'm good with Mylo and not with Invisibility.

[Hiraki]

due to the lack of resistance to it

LOL

[Hiraki]

due to the lack of resistance to it

LOL

The only thing resembling real resistance is Math and the other scumbuddy should probably be doing something too if Math is scum with someone else outside the block. Also Math hasn't really been going against it in a way I'd expect him to if he was scum with Neenie or Invisibility.

HAHAHAHAHA

[Hiraki]

Hiraki/Neenie probably.

If this coalition goes through and fails, we're lynching Hiraki for it, not NM or Mylo.

Yeah, you're the last person dictating anything here

[Hiraki]

Remember guys.... Me and N_M's coalition has no resistance... That's how it's been passed

[Hiraki]

It's not like half of the game has been asking why N_M has been in the alliance

It's definitely not like people have been questioning my alignment

And wisdom? Yeah, no one has EVER questioned that

Pre-Edit: how is 2 / 5 close to passing? It's not even half

[Hiraki]

Blaming me and N_M for being done with this game and trying to complain that it's wrong by saying "well it has no resistance, it must be scum" is some grade A scum talk when it's been voted by 2 people

Pre-Edit: tiny variant doesn't mean shit, that's a difference, THAT'S LITERALLY RESISTANCE

[Hiraki]

Does Wisdom have an exponent by his name?

[Hiraki]

My eyes might be blind here but he doesn't - which means there's a difference.

Your argument lies in the fact that people are voting similarly. Whoopdewoop. People have the same town reads but not the same coalition.

[Hiraki]

If the townbloc is correct it has to be Math/Invis, Math/Neenie or Invis/Neenie fmpov. Based on resistance from those players I don't really think scum is one of those pairs, i.e that bloc is correct.

Pretty sure this coalition fails 100% due to the lack of resistance to it, but I can't think of an alternative that people would accept.

Pretty big change.

[Hiraki]

If the townbloc is correct it has to be Math/Invis, Math/Neenie or Invis/Neenie fmpov. Based on resistance from those players I don't really think scum is one of those pairs, i.e that bloc is correct.

Pretty sure this coalition fails 100% due to the lack of resistance to it, but I can't think of an alternative that people would accept.

Pretty big change.

No, both of those are the same thing. Why would resistance from inside the bloc mean anything? If they're scum, they're in the bloc already; they don't have to worry about resisting or not resisting.

I mean when you change it from overall resistance to some petty problem about people that I don't want in the bloc anyway - it's kind of different.

Rules Update: Post 1 specifies that I will mark identical

5-player

Coalitions with superscripted numbers. For the sake of clarity, I mark any identical Coalitions, no matter the size, with superscripted numbers.

If this was referring to my post, I was being cheeky.

This phase is going on way too long, just pick a coalition that has none of Math, Invis and Ausuka and we’re golden

*and the cat

v

his content since then has just been "i'm town" and repeating his standard not_mafia tunnel

this is his scumgame.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

HAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

OH HO HO HO HO HO

THIS POST IS "I CAN'T READ N_M BUT LET ME TRY AND FAKE IT"

I can get at LEAST 5 town games where N_M does the same thing. Here's one without READING.

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=76247

his reads don't make sense and seem much more geared to falling into the townbloc than actually solving the game

his content since then has just been "i'm town" and repeating his standard not_mafia tunnel

this is his scumgame.

I have 3 of your 4 coalition members in mine

why does that matter?

My reads don’t make sense but I match 75% with his

oh ok

Math also did this with me a few pages back.

Hiraki and nm; make the swap pls

Kitty is a no go. That bloc will fail.

I trust what my coalition once was

Hiraki, Wisdom, Invisibility, Myloninja

I hope you know I'm literally voting 2 scumreads

And I lowkey think Hiraki is potential scum if not Not_Mafia

ok

[Hiraki]

come on
we will get nowhere like this

@hiraki

Why should I switch to a coalition that I think has scum?

[Hiraki]

Hey wisdom wanna swap in tw and swap out neenie
I'm scumreading neenie more and I'm so ready to see Hiraki be wrong

Why would Hiraki be the wrong one given that he's the one who doesn't have me?

I think he's talking about N_M.

[Hiraki]

why is there so much rush?
we have 12 days

This is also why I'm not moving.

Glad to see that my threads are still staying consistent on all accounts.

[Hiraki]

Why do we need to move on?

[Hiraki]

N_M seemed to be more useful in that linked game. Extremely short posts, but actually doing something.

Have you even tried asking him questions?

[Hiraki]

because this phase does nothing to help get reads
its hard to get confident reads when theres no pressure

I have reads. I have a PoE. I'm not voting in that PoE right now.

[Hiraki]

If it's the duck and just the duck (in the bloc), I'd be pretty surprised. He wasn't exactly insisting that he be in the block. He couldn't have know that Wisdom and I would give in to Hiraki and NM. (Well, maybe he could have known on me, since I had said it earlier, but it's still a lot to hang a game on.)

I want to join this wagon due to this.

However -

@Mod: Are you just keeping the same graph for formatting purposes? Just double checking it's 5 to lynch here?

[Hiraki]

Vote: The worst

[Hiraki]

You know that coalitions require 5 votes, right?

[Hiraki]

Ok but if you had grievances with it you had more than 5 days to say so and to convince others.

Coming in here and saying "I'm not going to be ignored" and pouting your "Hiraki is scum!" tantrum when there were 8 out of 9 people in the game voting me for the coalition is just getting rather old and annoying.

[Hiraki]

Honestly, the above clearly shows you just don't get what I'm saying so I'm not really continuing this. Good luck on your crusade.

[Hiraki]

NK is my top priority after we find the scum in the coalition.

[Hiraki]

I mean, I thought you gave me that position.

[Hiraki]

Yeah, I would lynch me if I was wrong about my ability to read someone too.

[Hiraki]

I don't think N_M is scum here. I was conflicted over you v/s Invisibility, still think that was my problem here.

[Hiraki]

He put us in this mess

He originally planned to lynch lynchbait Myloninja13 if his coalition failed
Then that opinion fades as I, his biggest scumread, gives him shit for it

Then refused to budge on TW vs Neenie
And now is tryna lynch the guy he insisted should be in the coalition

Not_Mafia as a PoE townread is incredible
The coalition is full of lynchable people
I believe that's by design

LOL

YOU VOTED WITH ME, I PUT YOU IN NO MESS

[Hiraki]

Math keeps complaining that his coalition didn't go through but how the hell is that my fault? Because me, one person, said that i wanted a coalition and other people followed me?

I don't even know where your Mylo accusation comes from, I've already said that tw was the one I was worried about.

[Hiraki]

Neenie is most def second scum so...

[Hiraki]

given how neenie is pushing the nm/tw dichotomy i dont find it very likely shes scum with tw

invisibility is more likely

Invisibility v tw is TvS, 100%

[Hiraki]

I'll need a computer for that, give me a few hours?

[Hiraki]

He put us in this mess

Nope, I suggested something and people followed me. You had every right to object and create your own but instead we got this:

Yknow despite the fact that not doing shit all day was literally part of my plan

You can't blame me, if I'm 100% wrong here, if you can come out and say "doing nothing and doing something to get a reaction test, which apparently doesn't matter anymore (hehe like it actually did in the first place) and I've called trolling, didn't matter because I was just pretending to be bad this game guys!"

No one is going to call you out on scrambling. Everyone is going to call you out on your bad play.

He originally planned to lynch lynchbait Myloninja13 if his coalition failed

Nope - and if you're referring to this:

I don't mind if he sheeps. He's the one I'm actually unsure of. Plot twist!

I just wanted a reaction out of him, which I didn't get. There is one other spot where I doubt it though - to be fair:

Someone asked me who I thought would be the one to blame if my coalition wouldn't go through

It's Mylo in that case but I don't feel that will happen.

Which if you read juuuust a little bit more -

Yeah, this is why I'm good with Mylo and not with Invisibility.

Whoops! Wouldn't want to throw off anything I said without explicitly saying it but...whoops!

Then that opinion fades as I,

his biggest scumread

, gives him shit for it

Yeah at this point if you're not going to quote stuff that I've explicitly said, then I don't feel the urge to respond to it anymore. I said you were in a PoE, I never said you were my biggest scumread. I put you in a scumpairing in the beginning of the day(coalition day?) and then never brought it up again. Now here are some things that I did say:

It's pretty clear he's not in the game right now.

(Ironically, this is Post 143 and pretty much sums up Dino's play, as practically admitted by himself)

I think Math is confused about this game.

Half of Math's postings on this page can be put in a post together and then cued to the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme.

The only read that me and Math disagree with is N_M and he can't even be bothered to read the reasoning on why I like N_M. He just assumed one thing must've been the end all.

I've called you scum once and that was pretty far back. Ever since, I've just said you've been confused about the game. I'm not going to let someone who doesn't know what they're doing in the game into my town bloc. That's pretty dumb.

Then refused to budge on TW vs Neenie

Yeah...and who am I scumreading right now still?

In fact - what was your opinion on that conversation?

I'm scumreading neenie more and I'm so ready to see Hiraki be wrong

Ooo, that's weird. Are you criticizing me for something that we agreed on? Hmm.

What did I say about a lot of Math's posts this game?

Half of Math's postings on this page can be put in a post together and then cued to the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme.

Yeah I feel that right now super hard.

And now is tryna lynch the guy he insisted should be in the coalition

HURT: invisibility
HEAL: nm
HEAL: neenie

I hope you know I'm literally voting 2 scumreads

And I lowkey think Hiraki is potential scum if not Not_Mafia

I trust what my coalition once was

Hiraki, Wisdom, Invisibility, Myloninja

So who are you voting right at that point Math?

Going based off of the VC right above and that post -

Wisdom, Hiraki, Mylo, N_M and Neenie.

Now, let's wrap around here again -

I hope you know I'm literally voting 2 scumreads

And one more time -

Hiraki, Wisdom, Invisibility, Myloninja

Which, if I put two-and-two together, you think that myself, Mylo, and Wisdom are town. Meanwhile, N_M and Neenie are scum.

Why on

earth

are you criticizing me for going against one of your scumreads and going for another one? That makes no sense either way. There were people on BOTH sides looking for Neenie and TW. Let's REALLY just put a nail in this though - it's another repeat!

Hey wisdom wanna swap in tw and swap out neenie
I'm scumreading neenie more and I'm so ready to see Hiraki be wrong

WELL, OKAY - THAT'S WEIRD, BECAUSE NOW IF WE LOOK AT YOUR ORIGINAL LIST - WE'RE ONLY DISAGREEING ON N_M. A READ THAT MOST PEOPLE ALSO SHARED BUT YOU.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT? GO AHEAD AND TRY AND RIP MY ASSHOLE FOR BEING WRONG - THERE'S TONS OF EVIDENCE IN THIS THREAD THAT YOU WERE GUNNING FOR IT WHILE YOU DIDN'T CARE ABOUT THIS GAME.

BUT DON'T YOU DARE FORGET THAT WE HAD THE SAME TOWNREADS, OUTSIDE OF ONE, AND YOU'RE TRYING TO CALL ME SCUM BECAUSE WE HAD THE SAME READS. THIS ENTIRE POST IS SUCH GARBAGE.

Not_Mafia as a PoE townread is incredible

NOPE! TRY AGAIN! WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS. DID YOU FORGET?

The coalition is full of lynchable people
I believe that's by design

THE DESIGN THAT YOU INDEPENDENTLY AGREED WITH

He's played how you'd expect scum to

He went full ringleader, found a town buddy early

Has made political moves that all are geared toward the agenda of getting his coalition passed

IF I COULD POST A PICTURE OF A STEAMING PILE OF SHIT ON THIS SITE AND FEEL PRETTY OK WITH THE REPERCUSSIONS, I'D DO IT TO SHOW HOW BAD THIS POST IS.

YOU CANNOT CALL ME OUT FOR BEING MANIPULATIVE IF YOU DISTRUSTED ME AND STILL VOTED WITH ME. IF SO, THEN YOU SHOULD'VE SAID SOMETHING THEN. YOU SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT NOW BUT YOU'RE JUST GOING TO LOOK STUPID.

Okay then why are you lynching the worst

The town in this game is the people who didn't give a fuck about being in the coalition early on

Regrettably that means a lot of them were left outside the coalition (thanks guys)

Hiraki cared

Edit: because invisibility is fucking town

Hiraki, the person that gave the least fucks while actually playing this game, cared (about being in the coalition)

Does anyone actually believe this shit? This is so forced - he just wants me dead so he can feel better about himself.

how sure are you about NM town and why math? I'm getting like lolscum levels of scumread there.

I'm not
But name partners with Not_Mafia

Oh me! Me! Pick me!

Math, who are you proposing as Hiraki's partner?

You
Not_Mafia
Ausuka

Very slim chance of Hiraki forcing tw into the coalition in order to bus him

He literally takes 2 posts to contradict himself. Sorry - when I read that I just could not let any of that shit go. I am done with these stupid frivolous arguments that keep repeating themselves and hopefully that should be the end of that one. But honestly, it's probably not over until he's dead so whatever. I'm on his eternal "kill on sight" list and I'm kind of just done with him. I went on waaaaay too long about this (currently writing in post-edit) so I'm gonna submit this post and then go into my TW read now (which earlier started the post)

[Hiraki]

Yeah, I wouldn't read someone showing you that you are completely talking out of your ass with your own words either.

[Hiraki]

I was gonna case this but I have a better idea - it will flow into what I was writing. I know most of these answers.

TW -

Can you give a comprehensive readslist, right here - right now?

Pre-edit: Seems like reading and comprehension aren't skills that have picked up since you've started to pay attention to this game either.

[Hiraki]

Actually, kind of knew that from the last few posts on these 2 pages so nevermind.

[Hiraki]

Randomly quoting the post to try and make me look dumb by pushing your own view? Aww, how sweet. Look guys! Give him attention!

@TW - I mean I've already caught you fabricating reads in your ISO, just want to see if I can get more out of it. What do you think about Wisdom?

[Hiraki]

Perfect, lots of ammo there. Let's keep this going. Go ahead and explain your Ausuka read and how it changed.

[Hiraki]

Well, it's not just Ausuka, we can go to Wisdom next, if you'd like?

[Hiraki]

Add this one too - why are you so afraid me talking about this? No reason to fix that at all.

I'm pushing the minority wagon, the majority wagon basically already has a lynch.

[Hiraki]

It's not that they're scum motivated - I overlooked that the first time for multiple reasons. It's just that they don't make sense.

Why did you trust my intellect? Why does it seem like half of your questions to people are useless?

[Hiraki]

Let's start at the beginning - why did you ask everyone about their opinion on Wisdom? It just feels like that all fell flat.

[Hiraki]

I'm not here to just straight up lie about stuff. Not in my motive regardless of alignment.

[Hiraki]

yeah same here, transparently lying and faking shit is gross. still think you're cool btw dude, you're just pushing a really bad case here and I'm not seeing any town intent in it

i'll come back to this tonight but it's around the part where you sheeped my reads is where i started to get the heebeejeebees

[Hiraki]

hiraki you didnt tell me why its not tw/invisibility

I deleted that part too damn, lemme see if phone posting will work here

[Hiraki]

You know, you might be right wisdom, not 100% there anymore

I'm gonna have to look into this

Originally I read my source for invisibility TvS (600-700) but it could work better the other way

My PoE is in TW, Invisibility, Neenie so it's not a game changer if it is Invisibility. TW flipping town screws with all of that so I'd rather just right here

[Hiraki]

600 to 700 should be read and then everything in TW's iso about Invisibility

[Hiraki]

Have you read why NM became a scumread? The fuck was bad about my progression?

Let's go back to my Ausuka example -

Can someone weigh in? Hiraki's reads seem kinda reachy but the way Ausuka is responding to them rings bells of arguing I've seen scum!suka do on marathon weekend :I

This also goes back to that asking questions thing. In re-reading, I never felt that you put a statement forward that was based solely on your own opinion. Not terrible but nothing that works. I think when I was going between you and Invisibility I had the following in mind. Invisibility had a lot of stances that were based on his own views while theworst had a lot of stances that just agreed but to an extent I previously thought wouldn't come from scum.

Send
Not_Mafia
NeenieKit
Myloninja13
Invisibility
Ausuka

Elevated to a SR after saying:

I actually think writing Ausuka off as very easy to read is a deathtrap. She says she is but she also refers to herself as bad at mafia, which is not true. My accuracy in reading her is gradually improving but I've been wrong way more often than Ive been right

off the top of my head, if I've mixed ppl up it's in the vizzy/ausuka/mylo group


Wisdom
NeenieKit

Invisibility
Ausuka
Myloninja13
Mathdino

Hiraki

Not_Mafia

Lean town after some pairings.

humour me, if you're town explain how you can possibly see that list and go "OH HIS READ ON AUSUKA IS SCUMMY"

Because it's fake and corresponds to how everyone on a whole is doing. You're doing the same with Wisdom too - well tried to. There was an early game moment where you were really gearing up towards Wisdom that didn't look terrible in the current but in hindsight looks pretty ech.

[Hiraki]

And feel free to correct me anywhere - I'm ready to be wrong but I've delayed this numerous times just to double check from your posts.

[Hiraki]

There's nothing wrong with it. I would just expect it to be a little bit more pronounced than a rapid change.

[Hiraki]

FMPOV, I think scum has to be in Hiraki/TW. I'd be fine to vote either of them here.

if i'm scum and TW is scum, why didn't I vote N_M?

[Hiraki]

how likely is mylo/neenie?
i dont really see neenie with tw

HONESTLY Neenie is still my top 1 scumread but I need to find the scum in this bloc first tbh

[Hiraki]

There's a chance NM is being framed, but with today's information, I can't see a better lynch, and he's not been towny.

I hope NM is scum.
If he's town, I'm split between Hiraki and TW.

Like read these
Neenie knows NM is flipping town and is already planning the next lynches, not particularly caring about which it will be

She's not scum with NM and she's not scum with TW. So it's with mylo.

If you're wrong, I want an APOLOGY

once NSG updates the votecount, I will decide

[Hiraki]

yeah im still pretty tight on my PoE, not switching

[Hiraki]

what do you mean?

neenie/tw/invisibility wins us the game

[Hiraki]

"I compulsively townread everyone who posts at the same time I do"

In seriousness yeah I'd prefer to end day on Hiraki

Feel free to quote me there

[Hiraki]

how does neenie/tw make more sense than neenie/mylo

I'm not thinking about pairings until someone flips. It's not working.

I'd rather lynch TW I think

Agreeing with your biggest SR, OK

I wasn't really shifted by anything TW said after he got "hammered" lol

[Hiraki]

You've pointed out a lot of things, most of them don't make sense and when I give you the opportunity to help me clear them up your response is:

Am I supposed to read that or what

If it's not a case on the worst or a great reason to suspect the worst is partners with someone other than invisibility, it's vastly uninteresting to me

Self defences are so passe

[Hiraki]

Nah, then you'll just misrep me as you have consistently been doing.

[Hiraki]

"I compulsively townread everyone who posts at the same time I do"

In seriousness yeah I'd prefer to end day on Hiraki

Feel free to quote me there

And this isn't even the second time I've said this.

[Hiraki]

I don't get where shifts in TW came from since this is just about the 4th fake hammer in this game that was used for reactions.

[Hiraki]

I wanted to see what Mylo "sheep Mathdino to the ends of the earth" ninja13 would do

VOTE: Hiraki

Scum won't join now though since you guys make 2 against it

yet TW doing it with me is A-OK

[Hiraki]

mylo was too, no? also you're right - i thought i was too but i was mixing up games

[Hiraki]

you're right

even 2 isn't very helpful imo, the first one is the only one that packs a punch

[Hiraki]

You can't discern that anymore. You can easily fake those reactions. Emphasis on easily.

It's not hard to count the number of votes on your wagon, especially when you're being wagoned.

[Hiraki]

he's done it for half the game, let it be

[Hiraki]

he's done it for half the game, let it be

[Hiraki]

I aint no panzy, I'm not voting a TR until we've got less than 1 day

do u think I ever care about how many votes are on me when I'm a VT?

[Hiraki]

I agree with Wisdom and TW here but I didn't say it because I didn't want to get into another stupid useless argument with Math.

[Hiraki]

I can! Pick me! Pick me!

[Hiraki]

Mylo is voting me because he doesn't know where his vote goes (we can call this selfdefense - not really a bad vote)

Ausuka is voting me because Ausuka can't progress reads (oddly enough is the first time I've seen the complete opposite of a bad progression of reads, there's just no progression at all; Is Hiraki on the ballot? Vote him!)

the worst is voting me due to half PoE and half because she thinks I'm scummy - including:

Hiraki is a delicious combination of both. I don't want to deal with Scum!Wisdom. NM is almost definitely town. Mylo posted well under high pressure and was kinda above my null line anyway. I am town (pinkie promise) ergo scum in coalition is most likely to be Hiraki.

Which...wait....didn't we miss the half of something part?

[Hiraki]

when this is a town lynch, you don't dare question me tomorrow

Unvote, Vote: Mylo

[Hiraki]

Does anyone here know how to read Not_Mafia?

Two can play this game - don't make me play.

[Hiraki]

I'm begging you - you got one last shot buddy - don't make me play this game.

[Hiraki]

The fact that you would even dare say that you've been pointing out stuff that isn't true as if it's happened within the last 20 pages is absolutely pathetic. Here's a teaser of what's going to happen if you make me talk about your play right now. There's a reason no one has and it isn't because it's pretty.

I scumread Hiraki because he felt really reachy in our early arguments, kept pushing for a bad bloc, ignoring the correct points against it,

the fact he hasn't been towny at all compared to other bloc members

, and he just feels slimy to me. Obviously there is next to nothing that CANNOT be town motivated, it's about what is most or least likely to be scum. Why should I vote Invisibility?

(THE NEXT POST)

Why should I vote miltank?

(THE ONE AFTER THAT)

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Hiraki]

moreso me being done with Ausuka's bad play this game and calling me out for doing everything bad when at least i've been playing the game

continuation of me being pretty tired of this game

[Hiraki]

the problem is TW doesn't actually make sense with anyone else
i don't think hiraki realises that or cares

i've been voting him for the entire day, what the hell are you on about pairings? if we agree on scumreads, stop being such a moron and stop switching your vote and getting Ausuka on me and then TW as wel

Ausuka will always go on me, no matter what this game, and TW is scum that can't get a handle on mylo or N_M's reads so voting either of them would be worse than voting me

this is not rocket science

[Hiraki]

if you're going to go after me again, i probably should've just self-voted instead of going with wisdom on mylo

[Hiraki]

hiraki/neenie makes a little bit of sense? also wisdom/neenie makes sense

I want Neenie first if we're going outside. I'm at 100% for Neenie. I'm not outside yet though.

Vote: The worst

[Hiraki]

Y tu n_m?

[Hiraki]

I'm still town, no chance of victory after this LOL

[Hiraki]

You have my go ahead on wisdom/neenie tbh since none of you agree on TW even a smidge

[Hiraki]

The fact that wisdom got my vote for mylo and got me lynched on the next day solidifies my annoyance with this game

Also that tw will probably maybe flip town or I wont be surprised at endgame

[Hiraki]

Like who ever is town on my wagon (pretty sure it's at least N_M) needs to step up

Ausuka wasnt even here and I'm gone like come on, no beeps anywhere?

[Hiraki]

restrain your urges to gamethrow

don't you DARE try to accuse me of gamethrowing when you just lynched someone you've never suspected of being scum and just agreed with your scumreads