Yes. Without alt outing one of your alts I can’t explain it but yes I have. I was the moderator.In post 848, northsidegal wrote:what?In post 843, MathBlade wrote:I have seen town!NSG and scum!NSG and they play remarkably similar.
I am thinking Luna is scum simply from the lack of activity. One of the heads of Luna if I am right likes to be a bullhorn as town and is quieter as scum. Combined with two other heads not being here I think Luna is probably scum. Some people townread the Luna hydra if memory serves.In post 850, northsidegal wrote:i don't think things are even that complicated in this game in the first place?
like, are there anyreally contentiousslots that people strongly disagree over? because i feel like there's a general consensus on the townier players and the scummier players and so i wonder how much there really is to discuss outside of talking more about my own wagon.
Uhmmm just no. Even if you are town which these last few posts leave me doubting.In post 852, northsidegal wrote:also i think it is probably +random that scum would be defending me rather than joining my wagon?
that's not to speak about any specific person, but just more that scum, knowing that i'm town, would be less inclined to join my wagon likely knowing that it'll disappear at some point (this is assuming that scum know who i am, which i think is a reasonable assumption?), whereas someone who's uninformed would be more likely to come to the conclusions that, say, archwing has.
Convince me you’re town. I really dislike you’re “people will just back off me”. It’s terribad.In post 851, northsidegal wrote:i guess my primary scumreads are TGP and hewhoswims?
TGP mainly because i think he's better than making the "so you expect us to sheep you" comment (and i think him being good/bad is AI), and hewhosims because i think he's something of a "wisdom of the crowd" read where if he gets consensus scumread he's likely scum but if he gets consensus townread he's probably just town. (obviously that reasoning wouldn't work for myself in isolation, but in the context of a larger game i think it's valid, and would be valid for certain other pople as well)
do you really think it's the best idea to try to be meta reading a secret altIn post 857, MathBlade wrote:I am thinking Luna is scum simply from the lack of activity. One of the heads of Luna if I am right likes to be a bullhorn as town and is quieter as scum. Combined with two other heads not being here I think Luna is probably scum. Some people townread the Luna hydra if memory serves.In post 850, northsidegal wrote:i don't think things are even that complicated in this game in the first place?
like, are there anyreally contentiousslots that people strongly disagree over? because i feel like there's a general consensus on the townier players and the scummier players and so i wonder how much there really is to discuss outside of talking more about my own wagon.
i think i was fairly unambiguous in that i was talking about myself specifically, not in general.In post 858, MathBlade wrote:Uhmmm just no. Even if you are town which these last few posts leave me doubting.In post 852, northsidegal wrote:also i think it is probably +random that scum would be defending me rather than joining my wagon?
that's not to speak about any specific person, but just more that scum, knowing that i'm town, would be less inclined to join my wagon likely knowing that it'll disappear at some point (this is assuming that scum know who i am, which i think is a reasonable assumption?), whereas someone who's uninformed would be more likely to come to the conclusions that, say, archwing has.
Following that conclusion out that would mean scum would defend every wagon against town and be hard bussing all the time.
Scum also need to mislynch. If every wagon on town disappeared every game would be a town sweep.
Without information and knowing who is scum and who is town or at least some motivations statements like that are very likely to be wrong.
how is it "terribad"?In post 859, MathBlade wrote:Convince me you’re town. I really dislike you’re “people will just back off me”. It’s terribad.In post 851, northsidegal wrote:i guess my primary scumreads are TGP and hewhoswims?
TGP mainly because i think he's better than making the "so you expect us to sheep you" comment (and i think him being good/bad is AI), and hewhosims because i think he's something of a "wisdom of the crowd" read where if he gets consensus scumread he's likely scum but if he gets consensus townread he's probably just town. (obviously that reasoning wouldn't work for myself in isolation, but in the context of a larger game i think it's valid, and would be valid for certain other pople as well)
It looks like a majority of your posting is recycled thoughts.
VOTE: northsidegal
you've never moderated a game that i've been scum in, alt or otherwise. where are you getting that impression from?In post 856, MathBlade wrote:Yes. Without alt outing one of your alts I can’t explain it but yes I have. I was the moderator.In post 848, northsidegal wrote:what?In post 843, MathBlade wrote:I have seen town!NSG and scum!NSG and they play remarkably similar.
In post 861, northsidegal wrote:do you really think it's the best idea to try to be meta reading a secret altIn post 857, MathBlade wrote:I am thinking Luna is scum simply from the lack of activity. One of the heads of Luna if I am right likes to be a bullhorn as town and is quieter as scum. Combined with two other heads not being here I think Luna is probably scum. Some people townread the Luna hydra if memory serves.In post 850, northsidegal wrote:i don't think things are even that complicated in this game in the first place?
like, are there anyreally contentiousslots that people strongly disagree over? because i feel like there's a general consensus on the townier players and the scummier players and so i wonder how much there really is to discuss outside of talking more about my own wagon.
Considering Luna is a 3 headed hydra I feel that them having some level of activity is warranted. As for you, you have alted yes but some things remain consistent between this account and your altI am not as convinced as some of the others seem to be of the meta reads on you but I am definitely not excluding you scum.
on top of the first layer of whether or not your meta read is correct in the first place you're also adding a layer of being right about who the person even is that you're meta-ing
Again, Luna is a three headed alt. I intentionally remained silent most of today and the Luna spot has done nothing. Even if I am wrong on Ursula head, the other heads should be doingsomething
i think i was fairly unambiguous in that i was talking about myself specifically, not in general.In post 858, MathBlade wrote:Uhmmm just no. Even if you are town which these last few posts leave me doubting.In post 852, northsidegal wrote:also i think it is probably +random that scum would be defending me rather than joining my wagon?
that's not to speak about any specific person, but just more that scum, knowing that i'm town, would be less inclined to join my wagon likely knowing that it'll disappear at some point (this is assuming that scum know who i am, which i think is a reasonable assumption?), whereas someone who's uninformed would be more likely to come to the conclusions that, say, archwing has.
Following that conclusion out that would mean scum would defend every wagon against town and be hard bussing all the time.
Scum also need to mislynch. If every wagon on town disappeared every game would be a town sweep.
Without information and knowing who is scum and who is town or at least some motivations statements like that are very likely to be wrong.
Uhmmm no. You weren’t. And even if you were the argument still doesn’t apply far as I can tell. If I can swap your name for mine in the player list and reach the same result without needing to analyze our similarities and differences it’s inherently a bad argument.
how is it "terribad"?In post 859, MathBlade wrote:Convince me you’re town. I really dislike you’re “people will just back off me”. It’s terribad.In post 851, northsidegal wrote:i guess my primary scumreads are TGP and hewhoswims?
TGP mainly because i think he's better than making the "so you expect us to sheep you" comment (and i think him being good/bad is AI), and hewhosims because i think he's something of a "wisdom of the crowd" read where if he gets consensus scumread he's likely scum but if he gets consensus townread he's probably just town. (obviously that reasoning wouldn't work for myself in isolation, but in the context of a larger game i think it's valid, and would be valid for certain other pople as well)
It looks like a majority of your posting is recycled thoughts.
VOTE: northsidegal
what do you mean "recycled thoughts"?
Coulda sworn it is my first votecounter games or around that time *double checks*In post 862, northsidegal wrote:you've never moderated a game that i've been scum in, alt or otherwise. where are you getting that impression from?In post 856, MathBlade wrote:Yes. Without alt outing one of your alts I can’t explain it but yes I have. I was the moderator.In post 848, northsidegal wrote:what?In post 843, MathBlade wrote:I have seen town!NSG and scum!NSG and they play remarkably similar.
My bad I am an old foagie there was a game I replaced into where your slot was lynched d1 for starters.In post 864, MathBlade wrote:Coulda sworn it is my first votecounter games or around that time *double checks*In post 862, northsidegal wrote:you've never moderated a game that i've been scum in, alt or otherwise. where are you getting that impression from?In post 856, MathBlade wrote:Yes. Without alt outing one of your alts I can’t explain it but yes I have. I was the moderator.In post 848, northsidegal wrote:what?In post 843, MathBlade wrote:I have seen town!NSG and scum!NSG and they play remarkably similar.
first of all, it's not an "argument" in the first place - it's something that i think could be possible based on my expectations of what scum would and wouldn't do and how they would interact with me. yes, it absolutely does depend on the person, and no - saying that scum may be more likely to be not just following along on a wagon is not an "inherently bad argument", it's something that's empirically verifiable. that's not to say that it happens every game - like i said,In post 863, MathBlade wrote:Uhmmm no. You weren’t. And even if you were the argument still doesn’t apply far as I can tell. If I can swap your name for mine in the player list and reach the same result without needing to analyze our similarities and differences it’s inherently a bad argument.
what game specifically? because from cross-referencing games i was lynched day 1 (very few) and games you've been in i didn't turn anything up.In post 865, MathBlade wrote:My bad I am an old foagie there was a game I replaced into where your slot was lynched d1 for starters.
I am demonstrating your “point” “argument” or whatever you want to call it that scum would back off you is just bad.In post 866, northsidegal wrote:first of all, it's not an "argument" in the first place - it's something that i think could be possible based on my expectations of what scum would and wouldn't do and how they would interact with me. yes, it absolutely does depend on the person, and no - saying that scum may be more likely to be not just following along on a wagon is not an "inherently bad argument", it's something that's empirically verifiable. that's not to say that it happens every game - like i said,In post 863, MathBlade wrote:Uhmmm no. You weren’t. And even if you were the argument still doesn’t apply far as I can tell. If I can swap your name for mine in the player list and reach the same result without needing to analyze our similarities and differences it’s inherently a bad argument.it depends on the person.for my case, i imagine that scum would be more likely to defend me rather than hop on my wagon (at least, in the early stages). this is something that i can claim based on previous experience from how scum have interacted with a wagon on me in the past.
i have no idea what you're even attempting to accomplish here.
I have to out your alt.In post 867, northsidegal wrote:what game specifically? because from cross-referencing games i was lynched day 1 (very few) and games you've been in i didn't turn anything up.In post 865, MathBlade wrote:My bad I am an old foagie there was a game I replaced into where your slot was lynched d1 for starters.
For example,In post 73, Vecna wrote:Yeah he is indeed........
Maybe the classic scummove, where you perceive to have been pushed for valid reasons and your hand feels caught in the cooky jar?Hence assigning way too much instant-towncred because you fail to look at it from the other potential reasoning for doing what he did.
And here and for a good long while hewhoswims was a majority wagon and (will double check later) I think some also off it were like “maybe swims”.
You haven't "demonstrated" anything. You've just said that i'm wrong.In post 868, MathBlade wrote:I am demonstrating your “point” “argument” or whatever you want to call it that scum would back off you is just bad.
how does just the fact that (according to you) mentioning it would bring scum to my wagon make it "a bad thing to do" if i'm using the thought to look at how scum would be interacting with my wagon?Furthermore by mentioning it if you are town you are in effect going to end up bringing scum to your wagon not away from it. And unless a pattern is predictable a good majority of the time, it’s not relevant for this scenario and is just wifom.
My point in bringing this up is trying to show that
A) if you’re town this is a bad thing to do. It’s like “look at this self meta” if anyone cared they would already be doing it and it torpedoes any sort of wagon analysis
B) if you’re scum it serves to try to sow seeds of doubt so I would look for a busser on your wagon.