Micro 806: LMBBNSGPW1OTMI (Game Over)

[BlackStar]

VOTE: maestro

This has to be the real puppet master

[BlackStar]

You voted in post 10?

[BlackStar]

maestro is town

How do you know?

I can tell by the posts

Seems legit

[BlackStar]

He's just been joking around and nothing much has happened yet, so I don't have an opinion on him. I didn't like Brie's reaction to xyzzy's post but that could've come from either alignment

[BlackStar]

Yeah, your posts kind of feel like busywork and that Brie vote was a little opportunistic

VOTE: invisibility

[BlackStar]

UNVOTE:
I didn't notice that. I still have a finger of suspicion on you though

[BlackStar]

I can tell by the posts

And how would be be different as scum?

In my opinion you can't possibly tell this early in a game. Posts can be faked.

feels bleh

like you're discouraging discussion

Since when is asking questions discouraging discussion?
I did want to know how she could tell by the posts.

FTR I'm more inclined to think Maestro is town.

If you think Maestro is town, why'd you say that you can't tell someone's alignment this early in the game?

[BlackStar]

Invis/Blackstar?

Really feels like they might be having a conversation around/through Brie and I

And I don’t like the invis excuse after “trying to get the game out of RVS”
Like, ok honey everybody could say that about them being Scummy early D1

What does that mean?

[BlackStar]

I made 3 posts directed at Invisibility and then 1 post directed at Brie. How is that a preference of Brie over Invisibility?

[BlackStar]

That's not me answering Brie's question. That was me asking something that popped into my head after reading that post.

[BlackStar]

Not having an opinion isn't fence sitting. Would you have preferred for me to make something up instead? lol

[BlackStar]

I'm pretty sure I've only played 1 blitz game

[BlackStar]

Oh, it looks like I played 2 of them

[BlackStar]

Idk BS, it really seems like you counter Brie’s *QUESTIIN* (which I’m sure was the intended focal point of their post) with a clarification about a lean-read they have on me, which to me feels like you deflecting from the question itself

Regeardleas of whether or not you had an opinion, your response wasn’t about “I have no opinion”, it was about “ok, you asked this question but I’d rather talk about this off-handed lean-read you stayed at the end of your post”

And that reads as deflection to me

Prove Me Wrong . JPEG

You're talking about 2 different things now and combining them together.

He's just been joking around and nothing much has happened yet, so I don't have an opinion on him. I didn't like Brie's reaction to xyzzy's post but that could've come from either alignment

This is the post where I had no opinion

He's just been joking around and nothing much has happened yet, so I don't have an opinion on him. I didn't like Brie's reaction to xyzzy's post but that could've come from either alignment

I can tell by the posts

And how would be be different as scum?

In my opinion you can't possibly tell this early in a game. Posts can be faked.

feels bleh

like you're discouraging discussion

Since when is asking questions discouraging discussion?
I did want to know how she could tell by the posts.

FTR I'm more inclined to think Maestro is town.

If you think Maestro is town, why'd you say that you can't tell someone's alignment this early in the game?

And this is the part where a question came into my head. Nothing was happening in the game so I reread everything and thought that this might spark some conversation.

[BlackStar]

I didn't mean to quote post 31 twice

[BlackStar]

I just noticed that Invisibilty has been active in other threads since his last post here. It looks like he really is scum and he's waiting for the heat to die down on him

[BlackStar]

I just noticed that Invisibilty has been active in other threads since his last post here. It looks like he really is scum and he's waiting for the heat to die down on him

hey mate can you not

i was asleep and also not responding because

i had no idea what maestro was saying

Which parts confused you?

[BlackStar]

also the question in 82 felt kind of fluffy

Not really. If you clarified what confused you then he could come in and make it clear and you could respond to his inital posts.

[BlackStar]

btw im willing to self-hammer if we are about to hit deadline

Scum would never self hammer. But town wouldn't really self hammer either.


This game game has actually come at a bad time for me. I've got a whole lot of work piled on top of me this week, and I'm not sure how well I can keep up. I'd replaceout, but I know replacement can mess everything up, and I don't want to do that either. Thoughts?

I think I remember voting for myself once and putting myself to L-1 to prove that I was town

[BlackStar]

Have any of you played with HeWhoSwims before?

[BlackStar]

Have any of you played with HeWhoSwims before?

he honestly didn't even register in my mind as a person who is in this game until I read this post, read the player list,

and

read his ISO, but no

That's why I'm a little worried about him. It would suck if he lurked throughout the entire game and then turned out to be scum and we didn't pay any attention to him

[BlackStar]

reread, it really isn't as bad as i thought, but posts that say "## is bad" or "## is good" without much other information is a thing i do as town and i assume i will do as scum. the reason i townread him it seems like he is putting effort into his posts. also, i'm not sure how i would able to

disprove him without breaking site rules, as all disproving evidence he would just have to take my word for it.

What does this mean?

[BlackStar]

Are you serious right now? You seriously think there's no way to get people to believe in you besides posting the PM? That's so.... ugh. Anyway, for some reason, I think I believe that you're town now. Its obvious that you're really new to this and the awkward posts you've been writing make me feel like you just made mistakes and people jumped all over. If you are town then I guess I need to reread everyone else's posts again

[BlackStar]

I'm not sure who to vote for anymore. I don't like TheBrie's posts and feel like she might be scum but I townread xyzzy and maestro and they have more experience than me so they're probably better at reading people. Its tough to tell if invisibility's posts are really experience or scum blunders.

[BlackStar]

TheBrie has parked her vote since RVS and hasn't expressed reads on anyone except Maestro. Well, she did say that she doesn't think invisibilty and I are a scum team, but she hasn't said if she thinks either of us are scum individually. I don't get the impression that she cares about finding scum

[BlackStar]

It was

[BlackStar]

Fuck it

VOTE: invisibility

[BlackStar]

that's L-1

[BlackStar]

I feel like we might have messed up

[BlackStar]

Take all the notes you want

[BlackStar]

I'm pretty sure that TheBrie is scum. We should've lynched her yesterday. I already explained the reasons why I didn't like her posts before, but then she did something that made me suspect her even more. If you look through her ISO you'll see that she didn't express any scum reads on anyone.

When the deadline was closing in she made this post.

Five hours, only five hours.

Well five and a half. I'll be back home before then. Not that it makes much difference. Invis is dead either way, as where's no way votes are shifting off there. And objectively he is the worst player in the game.
I looked at a couple of completed town games, and they seemed better than this. His questions were better.

Intent to hammer before deadline.

Notice that nowhere in this post does she say that she actually scum reads Invisibilty.

Beat you to it. Mind hasn't changed while I was out. (not that supervising tween girls learning a play gives anytime to think)

VOTE: Invisibilty

But then she votes for him anyway. She voted for him because he was "the worst player here", not because she found him scummy. There's no reason for a member of the town to do that. Bad doesn't equal scum. It looks like scum coming up with a poor justification for those vote. That's why I said that I thought we might've lynched the wrong person after I saw Brie's vote.

VOTE: TheBrie

[BlackStar]

You seriously want to leave this to chance?

[BlackStar]

Original Roll String: 1d4 (STATIC)

1 4-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

the dice will show us the way

Seriously? Randomness?

Hey, If I known Invis was going to flip town, I would have said so to get the town cred as Invis was dead without my vote. I thought he was scum.

You never gave off the impression that you bought Invisibilty was scum at any point in the day and then as soon as the deadline came you suddenly thought he was scum? I don't buy it

[BlackStar]

Why do people have to be asleep while I'm awake?

Zyzzy, other than the randomness, do you have an actual read on HeWhoSwims?

If you weren't voting him, I probably would. He's done nothing controversial. His scum lean on Invi was right in line with popular, 'everyone knows' Maestro is town, he flopped around on me, had no opinion on BlackStar or Xyzzy, but said he would get one later. And copied my argument against Invi and Black as a pair.

I have a feeling about who Brie's partner could be, but I'm much more certain about her so I think we should lynch her

[BlackStar]

106 is HeWhoSwims' only real post that actually says anything, and it's really not very substantial. I could definitely see him as lurker scum.

BlackStar, who are you thinking of? there's no reason to not just tell us who else you're scumreading.

Originally, I thought that it had to be Hewhoswims. He parked his vote early on and didn't really try to progress the game at all. But after TheBrie made this post, I thought it seemed very unlikely.

Why do people have to be asleep while I'm awake?

Zyzzy, other than the randomness, do you have an actual read on HeWhoSwims?

If you weren't voting him, I probably would. He's done nothing controversial. His scum lean on Invi was right in line with popular, 'everyone knows' Maestro is town, he flopped around on me, had no opinion on BlackStar or Xyzzy, but said he would get one later. And copied my argument against Invi and Black as a pair.

This is lovers mafia, so if Brie was bussing Hewhoswims, the scum team would lose automatically. I don't think they would throw the game like that and I also don't think Brie would make such a risky bluff. I can't even say its possible that she just didn't know that she'd lose if her partner died, because that would've been in her role pm. So this means that the two of them probably aren't partners. That meant that scum can only be you or Maestro. Maestro's posts feel more authentic and I believe that he really does have a town mindset. Your content is fluffier in comparison to his. So you're the most likely candidate for TheBrie's partner. I'm like 90% sure TheBrie is scum though, so I still prefer to lynch her over you

[BlackStar]

it's a mistake to assume scum won't bus in this setup; obviously, they lose if they bus *too* hard, but you can bus someone without them getting lynched.

What's the point of that?

[BlackStar]

What makes it wrong though? I don;t understand why you would bus someone but not try to get them lynched. Isn't that the whole point of bussing? To get town cred for getting your scum partner lynched?

pedit: Lol, so as soon as I lay out a case for you being scum you suddenly believe I'm scum?

[BlackStar]

Bussing of any form wouldn't help you out in this game because if you cast suspicion on your buddy and they actually do get lynched then its game over. I don't see why anyone would take that unnecessary risk. It makes much more sense to just push mislynches. You haven't explained any positives to bussing here and I don't see how 148 could be read that way

[BlackStar]

Ohhh, now I see what you're saying. The huge flaw in your argument is that I never tried to get hewhoswims lynched or make a big case against him. All I said is that he hasn't done much. So there's really no way you could read that post as me saying "theses are people I couldn't be scum with". I can see why you could make that argument against me for thebrie but that doesn't make sense for hewhoswims

[BlackStar]

"You haven't explained any positives to bussing here" lmao okay I literally did that in the first sentence of my last post but sure

No, you didn't. You just said "its good to distance because distancing is good"

[BlackStar]

Can we lynch TheBrie already and end the game? Like, its very obvious at this point that she's scum

[BlackStar]

How do I not give two shits who dies? I'm saying that it needs to be TheBrie. The reason behind xyzzy's argument was to cast doubt on me

[BlackStar]

I don't think there was any. I'm voting TheBrie

[BlackStar]

TheBrie is the only person who I'm confident is scum, so I'm not voting for anyone else. I'm interested in hearing your idea lol

[BlackStar]

Are we ever gonna hear what this idea is?

[BlackStar]

I just wanted people to start talking again lol

[BlackStar]

It feels like you're just repeating everything that I say now

[BlackStar]

TheBrie is scum

[BlackStar]

It's either xyzzy or hewhoswims. Why would I vote for either of them if I'm more confident about Brie?

[BlackStar]

I wrote out this long ass explanation on why TheBrie is scum.

I'm pretty sure that TheBrie is scum. We should've lynched her yesterday. I already explained the reasons why I didn't like her posts before, but then she did something that made me suspect her even more. If you look through her ISO you'll see that she didn't express any scum reads on anyone.

When the deadline was closing in she made this post.

Five hours, only five hours.

Well five and a half. I'll be back home before then. Not that it makes much difference. Invis is dead either way, as where's no way votes are shifting off there. And objectively he is the worst player in the game.
I looked at a couple of completed town games, and they seemed better than this. His questions were better.

Intent to hammer before deadline.

Notice that nowhere in this post does she say that she actually scum reads Invisibilty.

Beat you to it. Mind hasn't changed while I was out. (not that supervising tween girls learning a play gives anytime to think)

VOTE: Invisibilty

But then she votes for him anyway. She voted for him because he was "the worst player here", not because she found him scummy. There's no reason for a member of the town to do that. Bad doesn't equal scum. It looks like scum coming up with a poor justification for those vote. That's why I said that I thought we might've lynched the wrong person after I saw Brie's vote.

VOTE: TheBrie

You keep saying hewhoswims is obviously scum but you're not laying out the specific reasons why you think that. He hasn't acted townie, but he also hasn't done much in general. I just don't feel reasonably certain that he's the right guy. I've already given reasons why xyzzy could be TheBrie's partner, but I'm not certain about that either. I don't see why we need to worry about the partner when we can just lunch Brie. And I don't like your ultimatum. So tell me why you think hewhoswims is the right lynch

[BlackStar]

Two posts =/= "a long-ass explanation"

You've said about as much on Brie as I have on HWS, so don't turn this around on me

Tell me why you refuse to compromise on HWS, given that I'm the one you need to convince, not the other way around. You already have your vote down and locked into this little three-way you all started earlier, and that's your problem. As I've already said: if you and I are the only ones around, you need to work with me or I can and will assume you're coming from a Scum place with your stubborn fixation on Brie and your refusal to lynch HWS.

I don't refuse to compromise and you haven't said anything about why you think he's scum. If you gave me reasons why you think he's scum besides "he's obviously scum", I'd consider it

[BlackStar]

I don't want a random lynch but I also don't want to vote just "because Maestro said so"

[BlackStar]

What do you wanna do?

[BlackStar]

You haven't given me much of a reason to. And the last time I trusted in you we got a mislynch lol. But you're the only person I townread right now.

[BlackStar]

I think I know how this is gonna end

[BlackStar]

Badly

pedit: Nice lol. Now we just have to pray hewhoswims isn't online

[BlackStar]

if he's scum like you said before, then it could still end up tied and go to random vote

[BlackStar]

[BlackStar]

Good game. I feel good that my reads were right. Maybe there was a better way to convince people though.

[BlackStar]

Sorry you got lynched