Touhou UCanPick 5 - [Game Over]

[Human Sequencer]

my only read from the last 4 pages is that Elibirn is a cool dude

vote gamma

voting gamma is always a nice time tho

[Human Sequencer]

anybody pushing the vig is bein dum and will be voted unless they realise how dum they're bein

[Human Sequencer]

if she's scum she's given us a free scum lynch
we get two lynches today and one conftown d2 if we "enable" her

the universal pm we got about what happens if somebody dies mid day phase or whatever in pregame lends this claim even more legitimacy I believe

[Human Sequencer]

96 is a really bad post
it's not even that scummy
it's just bad
i don't wanna live in a universe where people actually vote other people for knowing who is and isn't in the game

[Human Sequencer]

i disagree a lot
but u do u I guess

i don't really have a hard time believing Brian actually thinks scumDavig is possible, even though i disagree with it
i also don't really see it as shade

kinda null on the slot

if ur all wagoning him cuz his posts are ugly that's something I completely understand but gamma deserves it too and maybe even Kat

[Human Sequencer]

VOTE: gamma emerald

excessive amounts of nothing in a manner that feels obligated to reply to everything as if epic early d1 bands are important reads needed to be line by lined

this is a general cancer of the entire site

[Human Sequencer]

Kat is a towny town
why do we have to waste an easy townread on a confirmable slot zzz

elibirn is pretty towny, he's reading pretty genuine, especially in his apologetic mindset towards not reading the thread
everybody else just blends together
dle, Eddie cane, lexa, probably more even just feel like the same person in my head

[Human Sequencer]

also Dunn scumreading me for no reason is the classic
quintessential dunnstral
missed u my dude

[Human Sequencer]

reading over his iso half of his posts are empty filler like this

pop a purrocet

lexa is U scumm

I spoke to Katy.

beetlejuiced

he has a lynchboner for brian and me which i don't really get

eddie why do you have a lynchboner for brian and me

[Human Sequencer]

you asked me why cane hasn't made an impression
that's probably why cane hasn't made an impression

i'm not trying to say he's doing it maliciously or with scum intent
but when there's so much white noise coming out of a slot it's hard to get reads
especially with 15 people

i have a tenuous at best grasp of how to play large games

PEDIT: that was a typo actually elbirn
it was supposed to be his 'unapolagetic mindset'

[Human Sequencer]

everything with more than 9 players feels like a large to me

i don't really like having that post being characterized as a cherry pick when i was pretty clearly just explaining why i'm having difficulties reading the slot
the middle two may have been game relevant, but they're not anything i can possibly make a read off of at this point in the game

[Human Sequencer]

i never said he hasn't really done anything. THAT is misrepresentative.

what happened is i read the thread and came into the thread realizing that i don't really have a solid grasp on half or more of the playerlist. then i posted that realization. then you both questioned that, asking how i don't really have a read on eddie cane when he's been posting so much, which i think is reasonable. then i went through his iso and tried to find out why eddie didn't make an impression on me.

and then i posted what i thought affected it.

can you really not see how a slot having a lot of one line, unimpressionable posts can cause them to mentally slurry together with other players

like i don't doubt there's a lot of alignment indicative content in his posting, and i could probably read over it and force a read on the slot, but i don't really like forcing reads in general

[Human Sequencer]

Kat is a towny town
why do we have to waste an easy townread on a confirmable slot zzz

elibirn is pretty towny, he's reading pretty genuine, especially in his apologetic mindset towards not reading the thread
everybody else just blends together
dle, Eddie cane, lexa, probably more even just feel like the same person in my head

anything else? it doesn't have to be a concise stance; what comes to mind is good. stream of consciousness is sortable.

i still don't understand the brian lynchboner at all
i can kinda understand the hs lynchboner now but not before these recent posts

[Human Sequencer]

can you really not see how a slot having a lot of one line, unimpressionable posts can cause them to mentally slurry together with other players

maybe it's from doing an iso? i don't know, having read this game entirely in context and not yet doing an ISO i feel like Eddie has been kind of echoing what I've been thinking in my head a lot, maybe change a thing or two.

and yeah, don't force reads if you don't have to. i have full faith if you're town you can towntell and scumhunt fine but right now I don't really see it. If anything you kind of remind me of your play in that shitty micro from way back when? it was literally your last game iirc, you felt kind of potatoey i guess and just kind of floating around. if you're just in a rut though let's try to get out of it

the difference is i'm not thinking what you're thinking
i've asked him to explain the whole brian thing like twice and he's just stonewalling me so i don't know how i'm supposed to see what he's seeing

if the micro was the nano multiball with luca blight (which was my last game before hiatus i think) then i was in a massive rut then, but i was also town in that game
i don't feel particularly rutty rn tho

[Human Sequencer]

i meant the one you were scum with mortfeld and you both replaced out

drealfucker was a serial killer, was disgruntled town who hydra'd with yume who never posted.

i have no memory whatsoever of this game
probably for the best, it doesn't sound like they'd be particularly good memories

[Human Sequencer]

it's fine gamma nobody's perfect <3

what's your take on human right now?

I think she's town

also i am extremely impressed gamma remembers this

[Human Sequencer]

can we be a little less aggressive with the abbreviations
it gets a little difficult to keep track of posts when everybody is labelled with a two letter handle

I don't really like the meta in text generator's posts tbh
290 feels a little weird in general, like they're out of sync with their own reads
despite the fact that I agree with most of it (apart from the meta aspect)

[Human Sequencer]

It's like I agree with the conclusions generally, but the way they word it makes it look like they're looking and deciding their reads from a third person perspective instead of actually genuinely holding them

[Human Sequencer]

responding to 302 by Eddie cane

so I directly question eddie's wagon push twice and all he can come up with in response was "where [did you do that]?"
posts 264 and 248
how do you have me so confidently sorted as scum when you're clearly not even reading my posts

and what the fuck is an amished tell
i know you're the most important person in the thread and everything so it doesn't greatly matter if others lag behind but can you at least try to make yourself understandable for the simpletons around like me who just aren't on your stunning level of cognitive ability, oh sir scumhunting king?

i read through your entire ISO again and I don't really see any concise mention of why ur scumreading Brian above all else
there was just a vague Poe list and then Brian vaguely started drifting towards the top and then suddenly you realised the only way you'll reach orgasm is if either him or I die today, preferably both, so you started pushing nobody but us
that's why I asked for a concise explanation
cuz I don't really get it
like if you're playing Poe that's fine, but is feels different
you've used Poe to narrow yourself down a pool of potential lynches, and out of those two lynches there's hs and Brian who stick out to you the most
all I wanted to know is why that is

[Human Sequencer]

If you don't think I'm being set up I don't know what to tell you

I'm in class and can't really post properly for a few hours
Like a lot of hours
I have a lot to say though

[Human Sequencer]

yo
im home lads

[Human Sequencer]

kat why didn't you use your vig on night 1
when brian self hammered the first thing i thought he was going for was ending the day quick so scum can steal the stage 2 card use

i mean i'm glad it didn't happen obviously because i was probably the target but still

dunn, purrcocet, why are you scumreading me
there's no explanation there at all
i'm gonna be mad if i die to lazy sheeping zzz

kat plz work with me here you're the one foot i have in the door of this game
what do i need to clarify

to expand on what i said at the start of the day, there's a lot of shit i said and did that people read the wrong way
brian obviously picked up on that and that's why he selfhammered i think

read over my iso
the only read i ever posted on brian was a null and i never actually fucking tried to stop the brian wagon
i just wanted to understand why it was happening

it felt like it was at the start of d1 still and suddenly there's a serious non-rvs lynch wagon on brian which i just didn't get at all
so i asked

[Human Sequencer]

obviously eddie and i were butting heads day 1 because i felt like he was being a condescending asshole towards me

and then he had me hardscummed for whatever reason

so when brian quickhammers before i can clarify anything
and then eddie cane dies overnight
we lead into a d2 where there's three fuckin sheep votes on me and half the cast is saying 'yeah how about we vig human' when human has fucking 20 posts

like i don't know what the fuck i'm doing that's even scummy and there's too many people in this game to individually pick apart and try and understand the reads and thought processes of everybody
so i just feel fuckin lost
pls address me directly lads

[Human Sequencer]

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ooh good catch, didn't notice that on human. yeah just calling gammas post bad but not scummy while you're voting for him definitely lines up with the scum waffle, first real lead, good place to do this

VOTE: Human Sequencer

shit like this is just a fuckin joke
like look at my vote

my only read from the last 4 pages is that Elibirn is a cool dude

vote gamma

voting gamma is always a nice time tho

are you for real
are you actually taking this seriously

[Human Sequencer]

i'm still not really too confident in like any reads right now
text generator light scum
kat is town but if the vig doesn't drop i'll start worrying more
elbirn kinda town
i dunno how much of it is just me liking how he posts though

i feel bad posting reads on fucking anybody even because when you look at the playerlist its like
SXTLHGaiden??
Sky_Paladin??
Kiana Kaslana??
Dunnstral??
hebichan??
Purrcocet??

who even are these people? like even people i actually know i have no handle whatsoever where they are in the game
some of them aren't fuggin posting and some others just blur together
kiana was here like once for a big catchup and then nothing else
when there's so many unknowns i feel like i have such a poor understanding of what's actually going on i can't be sure of anything i post

so i was gonna lay low and just wait till spots thin out before going in too hard but the one thing i didn't understand and thought was worth mentioning and kept getting fucking ignored on ended up being a scumwagon
zzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZ

[Human Sequencer]

half the game is on my ass what do u honestly fuckin expect

[Human Sequencer]

HS wrote a list of lurking players (myself included) but quantified it as "Why don't these people have votes" instead of "We should put pressure on these players who aren't doing anything, look here is my vote on playerx to show I am serious about advancing the game state".

uhhh not really
more of a 'what am i even supposed to think about these slots'

i'm utsuho, stage six (night three)
my spell card is nuclear visor
i get to investigate two players, but they can't have used their spell cards, and i need to choose one to have their spellcard destroyed
so it's a card crush on one player and an investigate on two players

[Human Sequencer]

i've mostly given up at this point so i'm just gonna reread from the start and get whatever post-death info out there i can

prepare for megaposting spree

[Human Sequencer]

nah it's alignment

i don't get to see their role at all, one of their roles as per my choice just gets deleted

[Human Sequencer]

in the hypothetical universe where i survive to n3 probably elbirn and whoever i scumread the most at that point in time
i'd wanna card crush my scumread obviously

[Human Sequencer]

purr i'm fuggin stage 6
i'm a final boss
i gotta dodge nk AND lynch for three days until i can even use it

i shoulda picked some weak-ass stage 1 mob like rumia so i could have actually been be helpful l m a o

[Human Sequencer]

spell declarations are public my dude

[Human Sequencer]

i like purr based on 38

its kinda funny yet also admirable how gamma can stumble dickfirst into good reads
unless he was omegabussing which i doubt

336 is like almost directly untrue
like sure the post is shit aesthetically and yeah she was right in the end but i don't really think her read on that individual post is reasonable at all
reeks like she already knew brian's alignment
then her two followup posts are ironically completely lacking in actual content

[Human Sequencer]

i'm answering these because it looks like they're good questions to answer regardless

1) Why are 90% of your posts about myself or Brian?
2) Why do you keep soft defending Brian? Is he a townread? Are you just disliking my playstyle and trying to poke fun at me?
3) AS stated above, why haven't you voted me yet? You seem obsessed with the fact that I don't have valid grounds to sr you and Brian, and if you're town and you townread Brian I'm pushing 2 mislynches. I don't understand this line of questioning without a vote placed.
4) Can you post about the rest of the game too? There's a lot of content in this short thread.

1. because that was the only thing i found of note at that particular time
2. i don't think i ever soft defended brian
i just didn't understand the wagon, and wanted to figure out why it existed
3. i don't see why i would have voted eddie cane at that point
i never scumread him
i got riled up and angry towards him because his attitude got to me (probably shared blame between his attitude and my insecurities here but lets not get into that)
4. ok
im tryin

[Human Sequencer]

gaiden and purr feel pretty direct and honest in their posting
same with elbirn

that's my townpile along with kat*
*unless vig remains unused

hebichan has contributed a negative amount of content to the game

and i'm not liking much of what lexa has posted

[Human Sequencer]

prolly going to have to wall post this

anyone vehemently opposed to reading walls?

fuckin jalmont pissed me off the last time just refusing to read it :/

tho only dle knows who that is ig

i prefer walls to multiquotes scattered throughout, but i will zone out from a wall if it doesn't seem to be getting anywhere and scumread you for it

feelin town
post more dle

[Human Sequencer]

and now to address the megapost that made me come back and not give up

my issue here human is that i feel like there's appreciable content, you've shown capability of being able to parse it, but you dont really seem to follow through with it

like i dont get the mindset where you were getting at eddie for having what you felt was an empty iso but dont prod him about having reads on slots like gaiden, dunnstral, and purrcs. and even then coming to the conclusion that eddie's content was empty felt extremely questionable. after all, you were the one who told me "scum don't need to read the thread, they already know everyone's alignment". i dont know if im cocky or confident enough in you being scum to relate that to you but it's something i'm thinking about

i never said it was empty.
i said his posts blended together with other slots and made it difficult for me to individually parse him.

i had high impressions of your town game from watching you play games in the past and you even did well in FG's large dance with Parama - so even if I know large games are actually more difficult for you it's not an excuse to underproduce

my play in large dance was a fucking joke
dunn is here to verify
my gameplay increased by leaps and bounds as the playerlist thinned substantially
that was even the exact game where i learned how horrid i am at parsing large playerlists so it's almost comical to me that you cite it as an example for me being able to do it
my confidence here is shot precisely from horrible townplay in that game (and a few others like antihero biochemistry and really any large game i've been in)
i really have no idea where this respect for my towngame comes from

i dont think you would just nullread brian here and not really go anywhere with it when there was a serious, non-RVS wagon going on him. like that's when you can start taking stances on shit and towntell for non gut/tone reasons. Like, what did you actually think of Brian's content when he was posting it? If you felt that it was null, why not interact with the wagonners more or even Brian himself? Like i understand you could just be town playing off, it's always a possibility when you're playing this god forsaken game, but I would be pretty surprised to find out you were playing around a confusing situation as town in the most passive way possible. Like, I felt like if you scumread Eddie for example (which could be a valid push if you believe that the Brian wagon was scum motivated or unfairly pushed), there were a lot more points to ask about than just his post:content ratio. You barely interacted with the Brian wagon, which I feel like would be the case for someone who didn't want to tie themselves to a partner who had indefensible or null content in their opinion.

i had infrequent access to the game and i spent most of it trying to do exactly what you're talking about here. i didn't have much of a read on brian's slot and wasn't sure what to make of it, but there was a massive fuckin wagon on him i didn't quite understand being headed by eddie. so i kept pinging at eddie trying to get a response but he just wouldn't answer. that was my perspective at least. he did in the end and i was actually pretty happy with his answer but by the time i read it brian had killed himself.

I think overall for me you haven't really been inquisitive about the right things or really shown me you're playing this from an uninformed perspective. Like, heck, I don't really like Hebi's content today but I can at least argue to myself that some of the things she's done also could be coming from a town perspective or show that she's critically thinking. I really cannot genuinely look at your ISO and say the same thing.

So, Human, if you're town, I'd like for you to try to push something - sort those empty null slots you were talking about, ask them questions, work with them, idgaf just show me that you care about this game in a way besides trying to lay low and do nothing. Like, pick the scummiest person sheeping the read on you and tell me why or something. What you do isn't a big deal, I just want something.

ok

[Human Sequencer]

Katy should be locktown/IC-level town now; no way scum would sabotage their teammate's dayvig/action like that with a self-hammer. Clearly he wanted to end the day fast and to prevent the dayvig from taking place.

see like this is true but it feels like she came to the conclusion from the scum mindset
like she knew this is what happened because she was in on it

If you don't think I'm being set up I don't know what to tell you

I'm in class and can't really post properly for a few hours
Like a lot of hours
I have a lot to say though

Town wouldn't miss you if you were gone; and you'd eliminate a spot from our PoE, so take it as a noble martyr sacrifice if you're town.

wow ok

[Human Sequencer]

>town wouldn't miss you if you were gone
can you fuck off?

[Human Sequencer]

i mean the fact that i'm Not Very Good at mafia isn't exactly hidden knowledge but you don't need to be a cunt about it

i'm going away now

[Human Sequencer]

lynch kiana or lexa i guess

never lynch purr or elbirn
not so sure on gaiden

[Human Sequencer]

honest mindset
no desire to change or doctor your thoughts whatsoever
pretty much every post feels genuine in a way i think is difficult to fake

[Human Sequencer]

well 'never lynch' is actually overly confident

i was being dramatic

i do feel quite strongly on it though
just not that strongly

[Human Sequencer]

his only checks people without spellcards
mine only checks people with spellcards

my alignment check is actually a little limiting
firstly i need to survive to night three to use it
then i'm limited to only using it on people who have already used their spellcards
if only one person has a spellcard left i'm pretty sure i can't actually use it at all
then if i investigate two town or if i guess which one is town wrong, i crush one of their spell cards

his alignment check unlocks itself far earlier but is also limited in a similar way, because it only invests people without a card therefore it gets stronger as more people use cards
mine unlocks itself far later but can only invest people with cards and therefore gets weaker as more people use cards

[Human Sequencer]

i'm utsuho, stage six (night three)
my spell card is nuclear visor
i get to investigate two players, but they can't have used their spell cards, and i need to choose one to have their spellcard destroyed
so it's a card crush on one player and an investigate on two players

cmon dunn lern the lore
utsuho is the final boss of subterranean animism

[Human Sequencer]

his only checks people without spellcards
mine only checks people with spellcards

my alignment check is actually a little limiting
firstly i need to survive to night three to use it
then i'm limited to only using it on people who have already used their spellcards
if only one person has a spellcard left i'm pretty sure i can't actually use it at all
then if i investigate two town or if i guess which one is town wrong, i crush one of their spell cards

his alignment check unlocks itself far earlier but is also limited in a similar way, because it only invests people without a card therefore it gets stronger as more people use cards
mine unlocks itself far later but can only invest people with cards and therefore gets weaker as more people use cards

even furthermore i need to not get cucked by other spellcard usages on night 3, town or scum

[Human Sequencer]

No elbirn it's an alignment check
I cop two and crush one of their cards

[Human Sequencer]

Elbirn it looks like ur role is more of a balancing factor to my role as opposed to a counterclaim

[Human Sequencer]

his only checks people without spellcards
mine only checks people with spellcards

my alignment check is actually a little limiting
firstly i need to survive to night three to use it
then i'm limited to only using it on people who have already used their spellcards
if only one person has a spellcard left i'm pretty sure i can't actually use it at all
then if i investigate two town or if i guess which one is town wrong, i crush one of their spell cards

his alignment check unlocks itself far earlier but is also limited in a similar way, because it only invests people without a card therefore it gets stronger as more people use cards
mine unlocks itself far later but can only invest people with cards and therefore gets weaker as more people use cards

Typo in the middle of this post oops
"Then I'm limited to only using it on people who have already used their spell cards" -> "Then I'm limited to only using it on people who haven't used their spell cards"
I said otherwise in literally the exact same post so it's a mistake I'd make regardless of alignment

[Human Sequencer]

The point I was making is if elbirn destroys somebody's card I can't cop them

[Human Sequencer]

It's also fucking stage six
That's why it's more powerful

[Human Sequencer]

I don't get to choose after figuring out their alignment either
How would that even logistically work

[Human Sequencer]

i really feel like this sounds more like a rolecopping scum ability that lets you destroy cards if they seem to strong

like i dont see why that negative utility has to be there

This implies I get to choose which one to crush after copping their alignment/role

I don't
I gotta pick which one to crush before I know the results

[Human Sequencer]

Regardless some setup spec before I get nuked

Seems like the main utility we have in cards is
a. Vote count trickery (we have Kats role as an example and the fact that fg is intentionally distancing votecounts, I doubt that'd be for just one role)
B. The status of whether somebody has or hasn't used their spell card, and also crushing said spellcards
(Dunn can cop cardcrushed players, elbirn can crush a players card, I can cop two players with cards and crush one)

[Human Sequencer]

No pls don't do that

I mean there's the fact that tg claimed a pretty powerful n3 role too

But apart from that it doesn't take a fuckin genius to think out that later stage roles are more powerful
It feels almost self evident
Maybe it's because of the role I got

[Human Sequencer]

I did not deserve this win.

i guess i'll take it