Echo Bay Grits SEO [game over]

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first thought here is "no way am I actually playing a 41-player game that isn't just a fun bloodbath"

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After a certain amount of time, like a week, or if a person(s) acquires a certain vote threshold (close to majority or majority), we can use our daykills on a pool of people where there is a strong consensus on who is scum.

This gives much more information to the town, and strengthens the ability for town to communicate.

...there are 41 players. that is gonna be far more of a shitstorm than any shootfest would ever be. i'm pretty sure the majority of players in this game just joined to dayvig people.

Plus the shitstorm of killing without anybody truly being able to play the game is frustrating and generates apathy. -_-

you know what's fustrating and apathy-generating? 41 players, all trying to talk at once, resulting in a massive shitfest that will probably get us nowhere anyway. another fustrating and apathy-generating thing is being told you have to solve the alignments over 30 players (i haven't kept count of how many remaining players there are) after literally being told in the invitation PM that "have you ever wanted to have like 5 people dead by the end of page 1? well, this game will give you that opportunity. have you ever wanted to blindly shoot someone in your very first post of the game? now you have the chance." like, hello? i did

not

sign up for this.

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we're probably all just echo bay citizens tbh

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i can't tell if you're being serious or not

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Ankamius

gives me good feels for taking my voting idea into account. Same for

Almost50

and

TheBrie

.

I feel like you're townreading everyone who goes along with your idea and I'm not sure what to make of it.

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ok

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1) that was a joke post

2) if we're all town this is a bastard game anyway and the wincons can lie. like, does the game normally end when it begins if the game is all town? probably not.

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Lol, ausuka suggesting that hipfire/random killing is pro-town?

yeah, probably. if everyone else agrees with you and taly and sando and some others that shooting is bad and we should just play this game normally i'll just replace out though. i can't handle a game this big.

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ok, then that means this game has scum in it.

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I kinda wanna dayvig Lovebird. Should I dayvig Lovebird?

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I kinda wanna dayvig Snarky. Should I dayvig Snarky?

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yeah.

Dayvig: snarkysnowman

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I think there's a very good chance snarky is 1-shot bp scum. I think 2-shot bp is kinda overpowered. I don't think it's a wasted shot.

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I also think there's a very low chance that there's some sort of day doctor and if there is one it seems very unlikely that they would use it on Snarky unless they were potentially buddies with Snarky. This all feels a lot like a scum gambit to me.

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you're welcome

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although, he WAS a traitor, so unfortunately we can't clear anyone for this.

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We now know that not everyone is town, which was probably always the overwhelmingly likely thing (yes, the post I made where I said we were all VTs was a joke) so, that means we have quite a few scum left. Generally, around a quarter of players are scum, so it makes sense that we may have 5 players on each scumteam; and yes, I am saying this is 2-sided multiball. Firstly, the flip of SnarkySnowman as "Echo Bay Grits" rather than just "Mafia" (which was the team name in Mafia Month) implies there is more than one mafia team. Secondly, the flavour implies this too; we have the bit where the munitions company sent people out, and they probably have agents among us, and are the second game. Obviously, Toby Determined and his Echo Bay Grits company are the second team.

How many scum are there? Without knowing all the roles, it's hard to guess, but I think it's likely to be 5 on each team. Around 25% of players being scum-aligned in any given game is normal. This isn't relevant now, but as we kill more and more scum, it's likely to become relevant. I'd also like to note here that since Echo Bay Grits have a traitor, the Ammunitions company probably does too.

So- who's scum? {Taly, Ausuka, Sando, Creature, Vaxkiller} probably aren't, {Bins, the worst, BBMolla} I kinda think are probably town. Literally everyone else are very possible scum and I think those players should probably do more things. In particular, I'm looking at the PRICKS bloc for remaining scum. They can join a bloc that prevents town from shooting them at no cost- what kind of scum wouldn't take the offer? {Wingedcatgirl, hebichan, TheBrie, Theta Alpine} are all COMPLETELY legitimate slots and I see absolutely no reason why shooting any of them should ever be a scumclaim- in fact, I think that if you shoot someone for shooting one of them, that's likely to make you scum trying to shoot a townie. We shouldn't be protecting scum from being dayvigged because some players wanted to have a shootout later than everyone else.
There are almost certainly scum in low-activity players, too, and that goes for ANY game, but ESPECIALLY this one. I reccomend looking in {Not_Mafia, light_ganski, hebichan, TheBrie (who is a borderline case w/ activity but I like her for scum anyway), Theta Alpine, katokashi, wingedcatgirl} because IMO they're great candidates for scum players.
But right now, if I want anyone dead, it'd be Srceenplay. The gimmick where he insists we're all town just feels like a fake scum thing to me. It's overdone and he has far more conviction in it than what I think any townie should realistically have to the point where it's totally unnatural. Like, is 398 a real thought? It's basically Srceenplay engaging with the game normally except he adds "OH YEAH BTW WE'RE ALL TOWNIES LOL" at the end. Like, why write this as town who legitimately believes that we're all echo bay citizens? It'd be interesting to see what he does when he realises that he was wrong about us all being townies, in any case.

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well yeah but I'm still AUSUKA THE SCUMKILLER

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Screen is town

Why's that? Because to me the opposite seems to be true.

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I guess we need another Srceenplay shot. I really do think he's BP scum and I don't get TRs in him. Bins was a bad shot.

Also, I know I have some questions I haven't unanswered, I'm just not in the right mental state for mafia today. I'll respond tomorrow.

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precisely

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1)

Can you explain

TheBrie

scumread? I'm having a hard time reading multiple people in this game and I'm working to fix that.

1) there's very, very likely scum joining the PRICKS bloc and she seems to be a likely candidate.
2) Her saying random shots are scummy is
3) She assumes Srceen isn't scum in 353 for really weird reasons.

2)

What makes you think

Bins and BBmolla

are likely town? I haven't seen a lot of content from

Bins

and I forgot

BBmolla

was playing this game...

I kinda understand where Bins is coming from + toneread. That's already flipped town though so w/e. My molla read is reversed now because the PGO claim is very likely to be scum IMO. I'd still like Srceen dead though, so I'm not going to push that read or the Brie one.

3)

What do you think about the lurkers in general in this type of game? I agree with the idea that lurkers in this setup are more likely anti-town because it's survivalistic not to throw yourself into a fray where you could get killed.

I would tend to agree with that idea. It's hard to sort between town and scum lurkers, though.

As an aside; can we please not have any shots like Creature ever again? Literally everyone towny was townreading him for good reasons and the shot from hebi was totally ???. I'd prefer it if other townies avoided doing things like that.

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Also... where is suspicion being placed on me? I thought I was a relatively universal townread, and I haven't really been fustrated, apart from the bad shots on Bins and Creature.

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I'll try again with PRICKS tomorrow, atm town have decided that shooting themselves and being edgelords is the best course of action, not much I can do unfortunately.

Yeah, because actually using the mechanics of this game and strying to kill scum is "being (an) edgelord." What have you done to advance the town wincon, anyway? All you've done is protect players who either wouldn't have been shot without severe repurcussions anyway, or are very possible scum. Get off your high horse.

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theory: every BP is a scum 1-shot bulletproof, and that's why we have so little scumflips; we have only ~3 scum in 2 factions, and many of the scum that were shot obviously survived the incident. the BPs so far are srceen, tw and mom, right? I could see all of those players being scum.

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no, the idea is we have 6-8, all town being Vanilla. I think that works. Can you explain to me why duckling/the worst is town?

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Regardless of whether all BPs are scum or not, Srceenplay needs to die really badly. Taly and I have both explained this, and as God Empress Ausuka the Scumkiller, that's the kill I really want right now.

Refresher; The gimmick where he insists we're all town just feels like a fake scum thing to me. It's overdone and he has far more conviction in it than what I think any townie should realistically have to the point where it's totally unnatural. Like, is 398 a real thought? It's basically Srceenplay engaging with the game normally except he adds "OH YEAH BTW WE'RE ALL TOWNIES LOL" at the end. Like, why write this as town who legitimately believes that we're all echo bay citizens? Also, the way he tries to discredit me (or whatever he was actually trying to do there) in 749 seems borderline nonsensical; I can't just say "can we kill my scumread instead of consesus town" when I'm not prepared to actually play the game? The way he shot Cheeky while actually saying she would flip town is pretty scummy, too. See also: Taly's thoughts on the subject. And by consesus, both of us are town, so~

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I have a townread here for a long time, but looking again trough his iso, the why is a good question.
6-8 would be low, but posible (exspecially 8). The rule of 25 percent sugests 10 so 4 was a bit unbelievable.
On problem if all bulletproof are scum, wouldn't that be too breakable?

At the start of the game, it's positive utility; and although it seems weird at first, it can literally never be negative utility. Even if getting shot confirms you as scum, so does dying; the BP allows you to a) waste a town dayvig shot and b) get a chance to get your own kill in on an obvious townie. IMO, it's fairly plausible.

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I would request that you don't do that. I'm not going to call Sando locktown because he isn't at this point but I think there are many, many better shots in this game.
Can you give thoughts on {Srceenplay, momrangal, BBmolla, the worst} please? Or if nothing else just Srceen.

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From what you've already said about Sando I don't believe you value Taly's reads that highly and I legitimately do want to hear what you have to say about him. He is not literally confirmed scum, if that's what you think.

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From what you've already said about Sando I don't believe you value Taly's reads that highly and I legitimately do want to hear what you have to say about Srceen. He is not literally confirmed scum, if that's what you think.

^this is probably needed to make the post not a pronoun mess.

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No, that means he's revealed to be (presumably 1-shot) Bulletproof. I think it's fairly likely BP -> scum anyway but that's pretty much irrelevant for now.

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if I looked at the player list pregame and had to pick one player who would literally just random shoot I would pick not_mafia every time. why are all these people getting shot over scum.

I like a shot on bbmolla at this point in addition to Srceen but most of all I just want Srceen dead really badly. no way town!srceenplay lives this long.

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how is srceen still alive if he's town?

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I guess my scumread now would be BBMolla. I don't really buy the PGO claim.

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no. PGO doesn't seem like a real role in this game, and i think from the opening posts it's likely we just have BPs/strongmen.

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yeah I guess that might just be a joke. meh.

[Ausuka]

hi sorry I suck. I need to post things.

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i personally think bbmolla is scum but i do agree that an iconeum flip would provide more information

this super pings me at this point considering the town:scum ratio.

not sure what else to say. I'm not as invested in this game as I probably should be.

I recall thinking stefan was buddying me earlier but I never said that. maybe that has truth to it.

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Davsto:
I think I know what Ausuka is refering, to. It was in a post towards Bins after the snarkyshoot, where I called her Ausuka the scumkiller.
She went a little bit overboard with it.
I asked myself what did I create afterwards.

I only did that because I really wanted Srceenplay dead and I thought it would make people more likely to listen to what I had to say

but yeah, the way you defended me for killing one traitor felt somewhat like buddying. Not a big deal which is why I didn't mention it earlier.

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light_ganski
Theta Alpine
wingedcatgirl

^ I'm likely shooting in this pool today.

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am I the only one thinking we probably have a SK rather than a third scumteam?

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it would make so much sense for a SK to be the strongman, too. and that would mean they shot brie. so in this case it's likely one or multiple of the people scumreading Taly are munitions mafia.

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"there will be one or more non-town factions, and at least one of those factions will have at least two players who know each others' identities."

If anything, I would say this

suggests

the existence of a SK.

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I may shoot theta alpine today.

Multiball is hard.

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I'm starting to think we should've all just random shot at the start of the game.

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I kinda want to shoot the worst and get rid of his BP so I don't have to face consequences for the poor decisions I would otherwise make.

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Really though, I don't even know who to shoot at this point and mafia isn't fun.

the worst
Davsto
Austerity
Lovebird
light_ganski
Theta Alpine
wingedcatgirl
Gammagooey

I guess Theta is still a decent shot.

[Ausuka]

uhhh why is the worst probtown ???

also yeah we're not following Theta's thing.

[Ausuka]

1. that isn't what I asked- you didn't put him as null, you literally

bet the game on him being town aligned,

so you must have some reason for that beside "there's no reason for him to be scum." You said the reasons have already be explained but I didn't see that.

2. because he has more than 1-shot BP and that's a SK thing. (or a scum fakeclaim)

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1. The game doesn't end at that point and you had him as your strongest townread, so surely you want him to survive?

2. because that's his real role and he thinks it might discourage shooting him?

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I agree with Gamma mostly.

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Winged was a fine shot IMO?

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who am I gonna shoot now?

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Wow, three good shots in a row. This is rare.

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Niiiice.

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Only issue is that flavor implies we still have more Grits and therefore we have heaps of Munitions left.

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I'd listen to Lovebird about who to shoot. I'm feeling the worst rn?

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3 town, 3 munitions, 1 grits, 1 SK?

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So no worst shot today. Maybe vax is scun after all? Maybe Davsto is munitions?

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3 town, 3 munitions, 1 grits, 1 SK?

I think 5 town, 2 munitions, 0 grits, 1 SK is also possible

Idk, that doesn't look like the Grits full death flavour.

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theta alpine is very not scum with Not_Mafia.

people who are not scum with not_mafia: theta

Explain this please, Gamma.

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the sisters' legacy is one of innovation in times of hardship, and this sort of innovation is key to their survival. one thing is certain: either the Echo Bay Grits company solves their web presence problem, or their company faces extinction -- not literal extinction, of course, because it's not like anything would cause that to happen, right?[/smallcaps][/i]

This 100% does not read like "Echo bay grits is dead" and definitely reads like "there is 1 echo bay grits left."

It might be possible Munitions doesn't have their traitor (so 1 less member) and has a strongman? Maybe I should look for traitor signals actually.

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I just have to find 1-3 town in {Davsto, Vaxkiller, StefanB, light_ganski, Gammagooey}.

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Vaxkiller doesn't look like scum with NM. Maybe they decided to bus him but meh?

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Davsto basically hasn't mentioned Theta or NM at all ???
Is this too scummy to be scum?

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would light_ganski shoot NM as munitions with him?

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Confident that gamma is town

Elaborate on this please.

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Lol, you have at least two BP vests. You're not getting sorted by nightkills.

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I do see the likelihood that Iconeum is scum

ROFL

Just kill Ico then this if ico flips scum

Munitions traitor?

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Wait no that makes no sense. Disregard.

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Maybe Vaxkiller is just town. I think that makes more sense than anything else.

Gamma and lightganski munitions maybe?

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I've gone full circle on ganski and think she's town TBH.
What's making you think those 2 now?

Light's Gamma TR is really odd + I think they both kinda make sense as scum considering Theta associatives? I'm going with the assumption that scum were at least willing to bus NM.

And Ganski my associatives with Theta pretty much clears me of being Munitions and that's what you should be looking for so

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Do we really think scum planned for NM to get to endgame after what he did to Bins?

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Davsto prob town for d2 shot BTW

Walk me through this one pls duckling.

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Winged shot wasn't awful but I do think shooting non-munitions probs increases your chances of being munitions yourself?

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Firstly my gut is screaming that there was no planning. Secondly Bins was hardly a presence so it wasn't entirely damning, just seemed like a Thing Not_Mafia Does. And thirdly given that also revealed the presence of a third anti town faction for the first time it just seems like a downright weird move if ganski is scum

Bins was very towny and it was pretty damning because of that. Random shooting was well over by that point iirc.

Also xyzzy literally stated this is multiball in signups so

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scum are scumhunting here so

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Subject: Echo Bay Grits SEO (41/41)

in the small, sleepy town of Echo Bay, Maryland, the two largest employers are Echo Bay Grits, a manufacturer of corn-based foodstuffs, and Echo Bay Munitions Co., a manufacturer of advanced weaponry. this is the story of one company's quest to improve their placement in search results on internet search engines and another company's quest to prevent their extremely illegal proprietary technology from ending up in the wrong hands.

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I disagree with winged being "controversial as fuck". She was in my pool and Lovebird's too I think.

No that about muiltiball possibilities is wrong. Read what I quoted above.

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i would want to kill today
- not mafia [for multiple reasons should just die]

^ NM top of kill list. Munitions bussed NM for sure.

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Maybe it's lightganski and Vaxkiller.

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I'm mostly looking in twos. It could be one or three but I like the theory that it's like Grits but without traitor and potentially strongman? However I will also look for traitor crumbs just in case.

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If scum bussed NM (which they did because theta) those two make sense as scum.

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I mean yeah sure?

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If there are 5 members it also makes sense if 1 decides to not go ahead with the bus.

There's definitely a world in which all munitions decide to hard-go-after NM though.

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Wait tw you don't have a bullet? What did I miss/forget?

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Oh Toranga zzz I forgot he existed ngl.

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StefanB has basically no AI associatives which annoys me.

I should ISO theta.

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Nah dw tw we don't need a table anymore. We got this serial killing scumhunting duckling buddy.

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Nah dw tw we don't need a table anymore. We got this, serial killing scumhunting duckling buddy.

Punctuation is important!

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ah
your previous statements could have been taken either way

trying to figure out if i should take out vax or join prankers
i should probably just read their iso and then decide if i think they are scum or not

why do you have almost 70 posts sando
also i keep forgetting just how early it is in this game
i mean in any other game we could still be in rvs right now

anyways
vax does not seem terribly much like scum so i would want to join prankers [is that what we are calling the group now or are we still going with pricks/wankers]

??? Can someone explain this Theta posting to me? Is Vax munitions?

i would want to kill today

- not mafia

- chickadee
- srceenplay
- randommidget [how have you only had 3 posts]
- toranga

i would want to kill tomorrow

- bbmolla

- gammagooey

i would never kill for the foreseeable future

- taly

- sando

- theta alpine

- ausuka

i would never kill today
- light ganski
- the worst
- stefanb
- vaxkiller

- thebrie

will decide later [aka null]

- momrangal

- austerity
- iconeum

- lovebird

- wingedcatgirl
- nero cain

- davsto

Interesting.

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Munitions readslist:

{Ausuka, Lovebird}
{the worst}
{StefanB, Vaxkiller}
{Davsto, light_ganski, Gammagooey}

In reality though it's hard to clear any of the bottom 5 as Munitions. Maybe I should try to find the Grits.

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ouch.
across all lines of thought scum is probably more likely to nullread buddies than anything else.

what do you make of that?

First glance indicates Theta bussed NM and townread her partners.

Scum is never Lovebird imo. Davsto is... almost too good to be true. No real interactions with NM, no real interactions with Theta, in Theta's nullzone. Could it really be that easy?

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So Gamma is town, Davsto is town, Light is town, and iirc you're not suspicious of Vax? So who

is

scum to you?

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Btw when I say scum I mean munitions because that's who we should be hitting. Grits is a second SK but with associatives. I'll work on finding them soon but I don't wanna shoot them.

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No I'm saying I think my take on Davsto was jank

Ok sure so you think he's munitions? Is he the only one?

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It's not your fault it's just annoying because you're basically at complete null.

And yeah there's munitions in {tw, ganski, davsto, gamma} and I sincerely doubt that it's the duckling. In fact there's probably 2.

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so the current theories I'm going with are light/gamma and dav/{gamma, vax} for munitions.

I'm still supposed to be grits hunting but this activity is beautiful and I don't wanna waste it lol.

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Vax for munitions isn't a bad call. He was attacking NM too.

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But yeah finding Grits will help clear this all up. I think there's likely 2+ munitions in a) theta's readslist and b) theta's chainlynching thing.

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But yeah finding Grits will help clear this all up. I think there's likely 2+ munitions in a) theta's readslist and b) theta's chainlynching thing.

The flavour makes it obvious. And no, the flavour isn't going to be an outright lie. When Grits finishes I'm sure we'll be told about it.
Don't you think that it's unlikely the flavour would just lie to us?
And that there would be 4 scum, ONE OF WHICH IS A TRAITOR, in a 43p game?

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Sorry, internet broke and I meant to add the answer to that post.

But yeah we definitely still have 1 grits IMO. It makes the most sense by far.

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Traditional multiball numbers of scum can be gained by dividing playerlist number by 3.5.

For example:
13 / 3.5 = 3.71428571 (4 scum, 2 on each team; this is standard.)
21/3.5 = 6 (6 scum, 3 on each team; this is also standard.)

43 / 3.5 = 12.2857143 (12 scum, 6 on each team)

I'm willing to believe that the numbers would be reduced a little due to a) the somewhat vanilla nature of the game and b) the probs -town EV mechanic.

But I'm not willing to believe we have 3.5 scum on a team. Full stop.

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What big modifications do you feel need to be made? Because from what I've always seen, when mods add SK, it doesn't change the number of mainstream scum in the game.

I have seen a large with 3 scum/3 scum/1 sk
I have seen multiple minis with 3 scum/1 sk

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SK = 凸(-_-)凸 ev of all other factions

Yeah, ALL other factions. There's no need to make the game more sided towards town or scum because of a role that damages them both.

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Taly defintitly widly townread.
Looking good so far: Iconeum

Hey Stefan, can you explain these reads please?

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I don't understand that GIF???

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If Stefan is grits that definitely makes things easier. He can be on the tw level.

Reminder that we still want Munitions today and we only hunt Grits because if someone is grits they can't be munitions.

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Oh I think it's about Stefan's Ico read? Yeah that one is kinda ??? but not a confscum level thing imo. It is scummy though.

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That was early in Stefan's ISO though and I need to read more of it.

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Actually that's basically it as far as Stefan goes

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I think as far as munitions go there's at least 1 in {Vax, light}

and if it's Vax there's another 1v1 in {light vs Davsto}

[Ausuka]

That was me taking a lovely sip of water then seeing the Stefan quote you posted then spitting my water out!

Oh okay

[Ausuka]

Actually if Stefan is grits there's straight up at least 1 munitions in {Vax, light}

and of course if it's not both we have Davsto there too.

[Ausuka]

what's the call on me being munitions again

1. you have basically no interactions with NM
2. you have basically no interactions with Theta
3. Theta had you as null and the only other one in the nullpool who could be Munitions is Lovebird who actually can't be Munitions
4. Theta put you in the final 4 (because you "had a lot of good points") and there's probs 2 munitions in there, or 1 if there's just one left

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Like objectively there's probably more to call you Munitions than everyone else but like I still feel like light/Gamma is the most likely scenario here so help me out. Who do you think are munitions now?

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Imma claim if that's okay

yeah sure!

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1-shot right?

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I mean you have been going after two flipped Grits and not really Munitions players so it's not hard to see why you're suspicious here.

Nevertheless I think light is still munitions?

Who do you think are scum?

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Grits traitor was BP though and we've got no munitions traitor as yet

Right now I'm just hoping Munitions only have 4 and no traitor... otherwise yeah Dav could be mun traitor. If there are 5 mun we probably just hit mun by shooting in the {dav, light, vax, gamma} pool anyway.

As long as we all agree that {ausuka, Lovebird, tw, stefan} are probs not munitions this gets a lot easier.

pedit: traitors know their scumbuddies though? unless this deviates from normalcy which is unlikely. Unsure if that's fake or not...

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I mean someone gets something wrong about what a Normal traitor is almost every game so I'll just take it as NAI. Unless.

@xyzzy, do the traitors know who their buddies are?

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Also we should massclaim and light_ganski should go next.

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According to wikis it various, but I checked the sign-up post and it says traitors don't know the scumteam

Ok then forget what I said. Explains why there are no traitor crumbs anywhere. Also makes things a lot harder.

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Ugh. I don't know anymore. As if Multiball wasn't already hard enough we're stuck with scum who a) can legitimately scumhunt and b) have 0 associatives. I'm almost ready to just shoot a scummy player and be done with it.

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He's BP so that's fine.

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lol that shits flipping town since lovebird shot, wtf are those reads?

This... feels off?

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Idk. I'm trying to find town here and I'm just drawing a blank.

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Actually I think this is just autoloss unless Munitions has 4 members or less.

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Maybe I just shoot light ganski? If she's town we likely lose anyway. In fact we probably lose no matter what.

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Maybe Gamma was trying to signal to his scumbuddies that they should start shooting people?

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Idk. I feel like I've just wasted a load of time. Hopefully we have 2 munitions or less.

[Ausuka]

Final guess:

The town are Ausuka, Lovebird and Vaxkiller.

The Grits is StefanB.

The Serial Killer is the worst.

The Munitions are light_ganski, Gammagooey, Davsto (traitor)

[Ausuka]

Other than the serial killer and possibly davsto I don't buy it

I still strongly dislike your Gamma read; he's confidently town to you because "his ISO is good in general" which isn't really a reason and is also kinda ???.

[Ausuka]

Vaxkiller is town because someone is town and I dislike him less than the other people.

Tbh any sort of implication I'm munitions is just a joke and they're the only ones with partners so I don't get the point of this.

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The reason I put you as a traitor is because I kinda think the BP thing is traitory? Nobody else has claimed it.

Those reasons are all wrong if you're a traitor yes but I do think you're possibly scum outside that?

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Oh is the worst munitions fakeclaiming? Weird. Or maybe they have 4 members and a 2-shot BP?

[Ausuka]

Lovebird is obvious town, light isn't.

I'm also like a billion miles out of my scumrange right now.

[Ausuka]

I'm very clearly not groupscum Ausuka

Then why are you suggesting that I just hand the game to Munitions?

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ok confidence in Stefan read?

I don't even know. How am I supposed to assign some arbritary number to it? I think he's more likely Grits than anyone else and suggesting that I shoot the people I read as grits is

Grits is literally the faction we need to care about less than any other. sk is second, Munitions is the priority by A LOT.

Remind me who you think are Munitions again?

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Why?

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We need to shoot for Munitions today and we can't really afford to miss either.

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I'm fine with telling both groupscum to shoot duckling or to let him win.

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if duckling isn't SK we're probably just done for anyway. Town EV is really low here.

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I mean, off the top of my head, scum is proven to have bussed NM, her associatives with Theta are pretty poor, and the other two points are kinda vague and I'm not sure if they apply here.

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Theta alpine, you're on PRICKS but you've not said much about people yet. What are you thinking? (and that goes for anyone else who isn't giving detailed thoughts tbh)

Theta Alpine - Came in late, would like to see more but has been thoughtful and considered and has put forward who he thinks is town as well

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I don't recall disagreeing with either of those statements at the time

The first quote was specific w/ talking to Theta over other inactive people. The second quote seems like really weird reasoning to TR somebody and to be honest just looks forced. Especially the bit where she townreads Theta because she put forward her townreads.

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I mean yeah but iirc Theta already used her shot and like pushing NM as scum isn't going to lead to his survival. I think that scum were just 100% willing to bus NM.

pretty sure optimal Grits strat is to go for SK? like I think both town and grits kinda rely on a strategy where we get both SK and munitions dead and it's much easier to do the latter in daytime.

anyway we've probably lost this already, sooooo

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If you can point to a townie TRing someone for something like "they gave their townreads" then I'll admit I was wrong.

[Ausuka]

I would definitely argue that your Theta read looks a lot more forced than your Taly read.

I should probably step back from the thread. who does everyone else think scum is?

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I'm not tunnelling? I basically only started posting reads 12 hours ago...

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Hmm. I sure hope grits is dead because that makes this game a lot easier if so.

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But like I still don't really think so.

Also yeah there's at least 1 and possibly 2 full munitions scum in {dav, light, gamma} and dav being BP makes him less likely which is why light's Gamma read is a bit to me.

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Actually yeah Theta could have done that intentionally. zzz. Not sure what to go off considering we have scum who know literally nobody's alignments apart from themselves, making them functionally equivalent to town. I might just shoot and hopefully we can end it. I don't think this game was ever meant to be taken seriously.

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Vaxkiller pushed hard for a NM shot too. Maybe he's munitions? I mean basically anyone could be munitions and that's the problem I have here.

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(I realized that my last few posts sound very critical about this game's moderation and that wasn't my intention. I'm just feeling discouraged rn and I'm feeling like we've been playing the game wrong. I think you've been modding the game wonderfully and I know it must be really hard to keep track of 43 players, so thank you.)

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I might shoot Vax?

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Yeah true.

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You know what would have made this game a lot easier?


If we didn't lose 12 town before the first scumflip, which was a traitor >.>

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Stefan, do you have any ideas on who you will shoot?

[Ausuka]

Lovebird is easily townier than ganski and Gamma imo.

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EBC here.

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I really do feel like this is a joke game and I should just shoot but I'm too cautious for my own good

[Ausuka]

And I feel like I have no legit reasons to scumread people anyway. I still think scum might be gamma.

[Ausuka]

nice meme

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shoot: vaxkiller

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i wonder if i'm the only townie left.

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also LOL if scum were trying to kill fellow scum with the LB kill. Like they should have been.

anyway.

thinking Gammagooey kill imo

[Ausuka]

idk if i'm messing up by not instantly shooting though. this is a joke game anyway LOL

[Ausuka]

SHOOT: GAMMAGOOEY

this reds.

goodbye

[Ausuka]

on the small possibility it doesn't meh. this was never going to be a serious game and it was always a joke. I spent WAY too much time worrying about it instead of just having fun hipshooting random people. like, seriously.

besides, probably 2+ munitions. i have to take chances now.

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and like literally everyone but me locktowned light_ganski and I listened to them? so if she's scum then I'm not really feeling too bad about it. Don't really think Dav flips solo scum either.

Pedit: Bad news: Scum is not dead
Good news: Gamma is confscum and I chose correctly

Please if you're town reading this SHOOT GAMMA

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I'll go ahead and claim echo bay citizen

I'll go ahead and claim echo bay citizen

I'll go ahead and claim echo bay citizen

I'll go ahead and claim echo bay citizen

I'll go ahead and claim echo bay citizen

I'll go ahead and claim echo bay citizen

I'll go ahead and claim echo bay citizen

I'll go ahead and claim echo bay citizen

I'll go ahead and claim echo bay citizen

I'll go ahead and claim echo bay citizen

I'll go ahead and claim echo bay citizen

[Ausuka]

if there's more than one scum I may have lost the game by shooting the wrong scum

oh well.

pedit: Ouch. I was hoping town would be on before you. GG

[Ausuka]

And there's no need to keep up the act like that either

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there's no need to keep up the act like that

Who was your buddy? or was it a traitor?

You've won already, or you're confscum already. Stop pretending otherwise please

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I. should. have shot dav. I was right on light and everyone talked me out of it

gg munitions and thanks for modding xyzzy.

[Ausuka]

I'm working

so hard

on these thousands of words of flavor text and I hope you're enjoying this ongoing story for which I have

at least

three more games worth of story already mapped out

I am very much looking forward to the next instalments

[Ausuka]

Final guess:

The town are Ausuka, Lovebird and Vaxkiller.

The Grits is StefanB.

The Serial Killer is the worst.

The Munitions are light_ganski, Gammagooey, Davsto (traitor)

Not that bad?