Echo Bay Grits SEO [game over]

[StefanB]

VOTE: Lovebird,
I really hated her page 3 and 4.

I am here now. Next looking on who-shooted who and who I think was the worst of that.

[StefanB]

Lol. The scummyst of it.

Eddie Cane kill ramcius
Normal
was probably going to happen regardless rolePM

CheekyTeeky kill Aristophanes


Srceenplay shoots CheekyTeeky
Okay, that one gives me Pause.
Exspecially the back and forth between Eddie and Srceen here.

Ankamius shoot Gorkington

Lovebird shoot Ank

Hyung shoot Nexus

BBMolla shoot Hyung

Like that shoot

That was quick because the only shooters still alive are BBMolla Srccenplay and Eddie Cane.
I liked BBMollas shoot so he comes into if you want to shoot here you better have a good reason pile.
Srccenplay I like less exspecially the back and forth between him and Eddie.

VOTE: Srccenplay

[StefanB]

Potential connection between McMenno and Iconeum?
Why that shoot?

[StefanB]

Creature is town, a shoot here will be answered whith a shoot back.
The same with Taly.
I want to add The Worst to the list.

The above 2 I am sure.

[StefanB]

Eddie: Why do you think so?

[StefanB]

I want to shoot McMenno but the way, you have half an hour to stopp me.
Verbally works I will listen, I am interested if someone tryes to stop me another way.

P-Edit: Would a bulletproof have been flipped bulletproof though?

[StefanB]

Taly: I think my desire to shoot him in around 15 minutes answers the question what I think about his shoot.

[StefanB]

Gamma: Hello, again has been some time.
If you want to say somethink, okay.
Who do you want to shoot or don't you want to say it again.

[StefanB]

Shoot: McMenno

, a ultimatum should be enforched.

[StefanB]

I like most of the players in PRICKS for town for now.
Was tempted to join but I rather did somethink else with my shoot.

[StefanB]

I will contribute to voting after the shoot is cleared.

[StefanB]

Varsoon is dead town.

[StefanB]

For everyone the deads are in the first post.

@Mod could you please add the alligment of the players to the first post, will make it easier late game.

[StefanB]

Gamma: Why did you shoot a zero post-poster?
You posted

my plan is to absorb catharsis from this game like a sponge in an ever increasing pool of blood

is not really telling us anythink.

[StefanB]

People I found scummy who have posted, (I can't say it of those who have not posted):
Austerity (Pro-sellshoots, and thoughts about Sando's idea that I ain't mentioning)

Bins

Those are the once who I think should be on the raddar, too.

About Gammagooey: Sando wrote:

The irony was not lost on me, nor the "happenstance" that they decided to submit a kill that soon after a mod-resolve, speaks to a decent understanding of the mechanics.

Really that is somethink that I exspect from most players of the playerlist. You can count on Gamma to get most mechanics, yes.

P-Edit: To late, you are dead McMenno...

[StefanB]

I found 2 cases were people were trying to shoot twice today (and Eddies was probably a joke or reaction test) and Varsoon.
Lovebirds shoot was also very fast after a modpost.

[StefanB]

Should I quote the signuptread? Don't be stupid Srceenplay.

P-Edit: Are dead players alowed to post after their dead?

[StefanB]

@McMenno, you are dead, why are you still posting!!!!

Sorry talking to ghost creeps me out a little.

[StefanB]

Yes I know it hit town. Why was it bad otherwise?

[StefanB]

I gave 30 minutes everyone who posted was okay with it, I kind of hopped someboddy would shoot me to stop it, what would have told somethink.
But yeah I am responsible for the dead and I should be acountable.

[StefanB]

10 scum are realistic with 41 players.
Note their are from the gameanoucements probably traitors and more than one scumteam.

[StefanB]

Those are the players without bullets that are still alive, for the scum shoot theoryplayers.
Eddie Cane, Srceenplay, Lovebird, BBMolla, StefanB Gammagooey

[StefanB]

Did resolve, Koki has no shoot left.

[StefanB]

From the signuptread:

Echo Bay Grits SEO is a game where the primary mechanic is daykilling other players. each day, each living player will have access to one kill, and the day will end when no one has a kill remaining. there will be one or more non-town factions, and at least one of those factions will have at least two players who know each others' identities. each non-town faction may have one or more traitors, here used to refer to a player who knows what faction they're a member of but not who else is a member of their faction. the non-traitor members of the non-town factions will know how many traitors their faction has. each night, each non-town faction will receive a kill to be performed by one of the non-traitor members; if they target one of their own traitors with this, that player will instead be converted to a non-traitor member. during the day, kills happen one at a time (meaning that if someone else has submitted a kill, you can't submit another one until the first role flips).

Just to shoot Screen up on his We are all town-spiel.
Why isn't he dead?

His post are at best a distraction.
His last post are SK-hunting, not such a strong tell, in multiball but scum does that more often than town.

[StefanB]

@Archwing about PRICKS (and sometimes WANKERS and PRANKERS)

Members:
Sando
Taly
hebichan
the worst
Iconeum
TheBrie
Chickadee
Wingedcatgirl
Theta Alpine

Sanda, Taly and the worst defintitly widly townread.
Looking good so far: Iconeum
Lite on content, so not sure, but don't have a bat feeling about them: TheBrie
Okaish: Theta Alpine
not townreads would be suprised if there is scum in there: Hebichan, Chickadee, Wingedcatgirl

(Don't know in which order I would put TheBrie and Theta Alpine)
That is what I get from PRICKS
I like the idea and the group mostly.

P-Edit: The reason for the killfail is at last stated here in tread a Bulletproof, the kill on Kokichi was definitly in order.

[StefanB]

About Almost, I count 3 post from him that I found helpful, stating a townread on The Worst.
Calling what Taly does pro-town and confirming the Sando and Taly know each other.
For how much he has written there is very little content

The Worst: That is the impresion I got.
It was meaned as a starter. Okay Sando has 70 posts, if there is one case where players can try to get their own impresion it is here.

[StefanB]

So we are missing only 3 players:

Not_Mafia, Light_Kansky and Katokashi.
The last one has probably siteflaked. Both of the others were active on site when the game started, where are those players?

@Mod: Have all players confirmed?

Snarkys reaction was strange, I didn't exspect his survival here.

[StefanB]

TheBrie: Nope, I don't know him.
I don't have any paranoia towards Creature at the moment.

P-Edit: What??? So you are telling us you aren't bulletproof? This is the only variant (and strongarm) mentioned in tread.

[StefanB]

Mom: We assume every x=1 at the moment I think.
Do you think Davst is scum her or paranoid town?

Snark not nowing his own role here is lol.

[StefanB]

Hello to the 2 new players.
Screen is the one who pushed that we are all town.
I think we can be happy that at last one scum finally died.

[StefanB]

I completly agree with the shot of Srccenplay, please someone do it!!!!

[StefanB]

Mom has claimed BP before, and what you hope is town is Ausuka the scumkiller (with help from Vaxkiller)

[StefanB]

Vax: Continue, may prove usful.

[StefanB]

In post 548, StefanB wrote:
I completly agree with the shot of Srccenplay, please someone do it!!!!

Why not do it yourself, after all you aren't in PRICKS... could be him just wanting someone else to take the fall if it goes wrong IGMEOY

I can't have no shoot left.

About Almost 50: The two new players were Light_Gansky and Not_Mafia who posted shortly before for the first time.

[StefanB]

Btw,

if

Ooba flips green I'm fine getting shot myself. My consolation is I would have not died in vain, but rather have taken a bad townie (again, this is assuming he flips town) who has done jack shot (check his 4-posts long ISO), came in with a "I don't give a rat's fart" 1st post (shown below)

I expected to be dead by this point - you disappoint me!

Decided to skim and FoS someone who was clearly town to those who have played him most recently, and then took a nose dive until he was already shot to add the last 2 posts.

I stand by my view. Scum have likely been sleeping on their shot. Shooting in the lurkers will force them to come out now, and with the PRICKS intact they will be forced to shoot their own (or their counterparts).

Wanting to be shoot is very strong worded. Acepting that he could be shoot, yeah.
I had a list who shooted whom, will update the list later.

[StefanB]

Creature: What do you think about what happened now, between Srceen, Chickadee and the shoot?

[StefanB]

In the world where he didn't shoot himself (wasn't in the game that much) and nobody did shoot him?
You mean you exspect him to be very trigger happy?

[StefanB]

Hebi: Shoot scum! Who do you think is scum at the moment?

[StefanB]

I don't think how flipped scum handeld anythink is that good an example when flipped scum handeld an ishue in an absolut insane way.
Yes Mum claimed before she was shoot.
I would say scum has probably daychat since they won't have many nights.

I do agree that was an absolute trollshoot, trolls have to die this game.

[StefanB]

Davsto: What was the argument again?
Sometimes between back and forth, this is kind of lost.
Can you state clear what this is about for us lazy people.

[StefanB]

So okay Mom for the lazy can you explain why Davsto is scum.

[StefanB]

Should make it easier for other players, who still have a shoot.

[StefanB]

Sorry I need a reread, and I don't have that time today.
In the Davsto vs momargument: I can see where Davsto is coming from. Mom makes no sense to me.

Gammas reaction to the Snarky Snowmanshot makes him look better, but please be more active.
Personally Archwing and BBMolla have seen better games from them, the can be strong pro-town players.

If their were more dead mafia, I would say yes shooting not_Mafia is probably playing it safe. I don't trust him on bit to make a good shoot tomorrow (and don't know if town or scum)

[StefanB]

Hello Nero.

[StefanB]

We don't have only 4 scum in 40 players that would be insane.
I still have a townread on The Worst but I could see bulletproof as somethink scum has and trow in one or two town that have it, too.
What I found intersting is that we don't have seen a strongman the other powerrole until now.
(BBMollas PGO is rubish of course)

[StefanB]

I have a townread here for a long time, but looking again trough his iso, the why is a good question.
6-8 would be low, but posible (exspecially 8). The rule of 25 percent sugests 10 so 4 was a bit unbelievable.
On problem if all bulletproof are scum, wouldn't that be too breakable?

[StefanB]

We know that two powerroles exist, BP and strongman.
One BP has flipped, it was a scumtraitor.
Screen, the Worst and Mom have been shoot and not died (mom claimed it beforehead)

[StefanB]

What she did predict.

[StefanB]

Here are the interactions with NM from the game:
This won't find traitors because they don't know who are allign with them:

Who is not scum with Not_Mafia:

The Worst (for 495) (The suprise that NM is in the game seemed real) (585) calling him trouble, 839 is making fun of him, 911 is weaker

Talys 594 also doesn't feel like scum-interaction with him, 851 is very clear he wants not mafia dead

Light_Ganskis 626 calls him out 747 reaction to his shoot, 769 has the heart vs headthing, 891 wants him dead shoots him at 907 (yeah I am an idiot for not checking who shoot NM first)

Moomrangel(weaker) confused random and not mafia

Theta had not_Mafia on her killlist in 789, calles in 800 not_Mafia the first she wants to shoot.

Vaxkiller: 837 has NM as has to die

Ausuka: 922 doesn't come from scum shortly before their partner flipps scum in this game

Who could be scum, with NM

:
The_Brie has a huge list in 835, doesn't meantion NM, 838 defends him indirectly

Chickadee: 846 sees him only as troll

and anyone not mentioned here because there aren't interaction.

[StefanB]

Eddie Cane+ kill ramcius+

CheekyTeeky+ kill Aristophanes+

Srceenplay shoots CheekyTeeky+

Ankamius+ shoot Gorkington+

Lovebird shoot Ank+

Hyung+ shoot Nexus+

BBMolla shoot Hyung+

McMenno+ shoot Varsoon+

StefanB shoots McMenno+

Gammageoy shoots Harambey180+

Momrangel(BP) shoots Eddie Cane+

Kokichi Oma+ shoots the worst (BP)

Sando+ shoots Kokichi Oma+ (PRICK) (after that Mom claims)

Vaxkiller shoots snarky+ (BP confirmed scumtraitor Grits)

Ausuka shoots snarky+ (BP confirmed scumtraitor Grits)

Davsto shoots Mom (BP) (randomidget does try to do it also, Srceen out of shoot also)

Almost 50+ shoots Ooba+

Chickadee shoots Almost50+

Not_Mafia(scum)+ shoots Bins+

Hebichan+ shoots Creature+

Theta Alpine shoots Hebichan+ (to everyones suprise town)

Light_ganski shoots Not Mafia (scum Munitions Co. goon)

Nero Cain+ shoots Sandro+

the worst shoots Nero Cain+ (PRICK)

Austerity shoots randommidget (BP)

Townshooters still alive: Srceenplay, Lovebird, BPMolla, StefanB, Gammageoy, Momrangel, Chikadee, Theta Alpine, the worst
People who shoot scum: Vaxkiller, Ausuka, Light_Ganski
People who shot ?: Davsto, Austerity

I marked the PRICKshoots. If I have forgotten anythink please tell.

[StefanB]

Lovebird: She has asociation with flipped scum, I more and more think she is scum.

[StefanB]

Updated list, was really dificult to find your shot Taly, I did know he has been shoot and I stopped over the modnotice, but didn't find it:

Eddie Cane+ kill ramcius+

CheekyTeeky+ kill Aristophanes+

Srceenplay shoots CheekyTeeky+

Ankamius+ shoot Gorkington+

Lovebird shoot Ank+

Hyung+ shoot Nexus+

BBMolla shoot Hyung+

McMenno+ shoot Varsoon+

StefanB shoots McMenno+

Gammageoy shoots Harambey180+

Momrangel(BP) shoots Eddie Cane+

Kokichi Oma+ shoots the worst (BP)

Sando+ shoots Kokichi Oma+ (PRICK) (after that Mom claims)

Vaxkiller shoots snarky+ (BP confirmed scumtraitor Grits)

Ausuka shoots snarky+ (BP confirmed scumtraitor Grits)

Davsto shoots Mom (BP) (randomidget does try to do it also, Srceen out of shoot also)

Almost 50+ shoots Ooba+

Chickadee shoots Almost50+

Taly shoots Srceenplay(BP)

Not_Mafia(scum)+ shoots Bins+

Hebichan+ shoots Creature+

Theta Alpine shoots Hebichan+ (to everyones suprise town)

Light_ganski shoots Not Mafia (scum Munitions Co. goon)

Nero Cain+ shoots Sandro+

the worst shoots Nero Cain+ (PRICK)

Austerity shoots randommidget (BP)

Townshooters still alive: Srceenplay, Lovebird, BPMolla, StefanB, Gammageoy, Momrangel, Chikadee, Theta Alpine, the worst
People who shoot scum: Vaxkiller, Ausuka, Light_Ganski
People who shot ?: Davsto, Austerity, Taly

I marked the PRICKshoots. If I have forgotten anythink please tell.

[StefanB]

Lovebird: Chickadee has asociation with scum(Not_Mafia) sorry was talking to you, but didn't think enough how that could look like,

[StefanB]

Nope scum has to kill the other scum first. So not end.

[StefanB]

the non-traitor members of the non-town factions will know how many traitors their faction has. each night, each non-town faction will receive a kill to be performed by one of the non-traitor members; if they target one of their own traitors with this, that player will instead be converted to a non-traitor member. during the day, kills happen one at a time (meaning that if someone else has submitted a kill, you can't submit another one until the first role flips).

From post zero in the signuptread. Some of the rules also hint at the night.

[StefanB]

Mom: What does your second sentence refer, too?

[StefanB]

I admit guilty of doing that list.

[StefanB]

TheBrie: Snarky was a traitor, so his scumteam didn't know he was scum.

Hello Toronga.
I am shocked about Screens flip exspecially.
I wouldn't call Randoms shoot suden, it was promised so long ago, that some people had probably allready forgotten it.

[StefanB]

There are only 2 players with shoots left, ahould perhaps ISO a few people.

[StefanB]

That is for them to deciede, have they got a shot they want to risk or not?
Also if one or both abstain I don't think we have to wait one week, but they count as having shoot and we get night.

[StefanB]

This game is hart, there have been a lot of players playing very suboptimal.
We have 17 alive, normally 9 of us are town, the rest is scum.

[StefanB]

I think town BBMolla would play this game differently. Just my 2 cents.

[StefanB]

Hello MoI.

[StefanB]

Definitly want to hear from him.

[StefanB]

Davsto:
I think I know what Ausuka is refering, to. It was in a post towards Bins after the snarkyshoot, where I called her Ausuka the scumkiller.
She went a little bit overboard with it.
I asked myself what did I create afterwards.

MoI:
If you want to have a little info about who shoot whom, there is somethink in my iso, not up to date, the worst people were killed early, but most of them (except not_Mafia flipped town)

[StefanB]

I wanted him dead also, but he flipped unfortunatly town.
It was the first scumkill and you were at that moment the most protownplayer (even if you are scum).
I also wanted to just explain my side of what happened and help perhaps to make it easier to find the stuff.

[StefanB]

Bins was speculating that Not_Mafia was scum because he hadn't shoot yet.
Then Not_Mafia killed her.
Then a long time later (There were quite some shoots between Bins dead and the shoot of Not_Mafia) light_Ganski shoot him. (There were a lot of post from Light_Ganski if I remember correctly where she did mention Not_Mafia)

Thats how I remember the whole dead of Not_Mafia.

[StefanB]

What should perhaps be added are the people who shoot at oneshotBPs, and that the worst is X-shot BP himself (Kokichi shoot him)

[StefanB]

Snarky was Vaxkiller,
Screen was Taly
Mom was Davsto
and Random was Austerity.

I had to look 2 of them up.

[StefanB]

MoI:
I can only talk about me, my reaction is listen, think about what he says but I don't think that talking would be helpful.
Mostly because we are on shot before night.

In other news, 1131 makes me want to go WHAT????

The discusion goes.
Ducky: MoI why should I believe you are town.
MoI: I am town, but I would say this as ether aligment so why do you trust that.
Ducky: This makes me more comfartable in MoI town.

Can you make your thoughts clearer Ducky, because that sounds not real.

[StefanB]

The__Worst: This post that you quoted gave me a strange vibe, it didn't fit with the posts before.
So you were just having fun is that what you were saying?
Anythink that you could have gotten as answer that you would have been interesting?

[StefanB]

Toronga: We can keep an inofical VC but there is no lynch that game.

[StefanB]

Wait or influence the last person who can still shoot.

[StefanB]

Thank you for making my information into a nice table, TW. That's what I wanted but I could find a quick an easy way to do it.

On Taly: Is saying he hope he's night killed a town statement in anyway?

Posting it makes it less likly to die. Thinking it is normal for certain players.
But I have seen scum said it. (It is mostly a scumstatement if their is no way that player will ever be nightkilled)

Re PRICKS: I think it is more likly that the scum joined than founded PRICKS, joining was easy and it was a protection.

[StefanB]

Vax: From the signuptread: each night, each non-town faction will receive a kill to be performed by one of the non-traitor members;

[StefanB]

MoI: Since he was speculationg of no daytalk and no nightkill nope thats not quite that tell.

[StefanB]

Stop being pedantic Stefan. It is a bad habit you picked up. That’s how I refer to the catch-all for attempting to “Town tell” by putting out information into the thread that shows you are ignorant of the scum side of the game. I personally don’t ascribe to it actually being aTown tell at all.

And having a lower telerance for your playstile.
So now Vax is telling us that he really didn't know it was multiball.
That is unbelivable at this point.

[StefanB]

If we have 2 scumteams with 2 gons and 1 traitor, a single SK seems to be a bit to less scum. (Combining the ideas of a scumteam 1 gone and the SK)
If the scumteam Echo Bay Grits is gone, Tally shoot MoI, because she didn't flip strongmen.
That means one team shoot TheBrie with a strongman and one Taly.
Scum knows if the team is gone, so they have to hunt for the last Gritplayer if he is stil alive, if not then for the SK.
Both lone scum or SK have to hunt for the other scum to be the one alive.

So Grit or SK is not our problem.

[StefanB]

Is it in our interest to search for the SK?

[StefanB]

I am happy that I am not the only one, who thought the 2-shot BP looks like an SK.
But we only know that The Worst is a 2-shot BP because of his claim which speaks against him beeing the SK.
About the other points, Tally was instrumental in setting up PRICKS, so one scumteam had a bigger incentitive to join it, but we don't know if any members of them are still alive.
I am not suprised that there were scum in PRICKS, didn't exspect them to be in the founders.
The problem is from scumteam 2 we have only Not_Mafia as a flipp, and that one doesn't give us a lot of insight in the potenzial thinking of his partners.

[StefanB]

Sando (Dead town)
Taly (Dead scum)
hebichan (Dead town)
the worst
Iconeum (Dead scum )
TheBrie (Dead town)
Chickadee (Dead town)
Wingedcatgirl
light_gankski
Theta Alpine

4 by my count.

[StefanB]

I think about the SKtheorie because symetrical scumteam are more balance then asymetrical.
Giving Strongman + X-shot BP is somethink I can see as posible.
I am thinking about if we should massclaim BP or not.

There are 2 players who aren't strongman btw, Vaxkiller and Austerity, so they can't be the ones who killed The Brie.

[StefanB]

I think we have at last 1 unclaimed bulletproofs left (1 traitor for team 2). And one goon left.
We have 1 player who has a very low chance on beeing groupscum (the_worst)
I think the shoot of Light_Gansky looked quite natural and I would shoot my partner in this setup either.

[StefanB]

I think the shoot of Light_Gansky looked quite natural and I

wouldn't

shoot my partner in this setup either.
Fixed.

[StefanB]

normally id agree with not shooting partners being a general rule in this kinda game but id shoot my partner if he were notmafia in this set up too since he's basically confirmed dead the moment he does something stupid which is instantly

I just think that light reads as town regardless of that

For that Not_Mafia lived quite a long time.

Austerity: If there are probably no unclaimed town-BP, would you agree to a massclaim BP or not?

[StefanB]

Rereading Lovebirds ISO I see what people meaned.
There was also a very early point about most scum are traitors, tell me where that came from?

[StefanB]

Yesterday ico didnt want to lynch him, but since he flipped grits, and grits team HAS to be no more. Now I dont know.

That deppends if there is a SK, teams of 4 are posible. If there is another goon or a traitor is another question.

[StefanB]

First problem with that plan.
You have a BP in your survivorgroup, on whit a still active BP. This is a powerinbalance, means that if The Worst is the SK, we have to be very careful to not let him get into a position were he can endgame the town. (And I am to paranoid of the only claimed 2-shot BP, to not at last think this is a posibility)

I am also a bit unconfartable, with Gamma in there. (it may be that we haven't got that many townish players left so we have to take risks)

[StefanB]

I look at the playerlist and yeah there is the problem that we don't have that many great choices.
the worst *
Ausuka
Davsto *
Austerity
Vaxkiller
Lovebird
StefanB
light_ganski *
Theta Alpine
wingedcatgirl
Gammagooey *

I marked your 4. I don't know who I really am not paranoid to have as replacement or fith.
What do the selected players think?

But somethink very important that you and I forgot: The Worst has already killed today.

[StefanB]

i already considered that

they would still be able to auto-win tomorrow with 4 people
they would have a night kill tonight and then would be able to shoot one of the other two remaining people the next day and just take the shot from the other person
and then win at night

Just wait, WHAT!!! Win at night?
I am not as great at autowinstrategys, but can you tell me this one again slowly, because that looks not like a winstrategy for town.
SO EXPLAIN BEFORE I WANT YOU DEAD!

[StefanB]

So we definitly need 5 people alive, if we stop shooting and go to night and are afraid of the SK.

[StefanB]

Was just paranoid, that you are posting winstrategys for scum, but since that would be a winstrategy to a potential SK I should have been more relaxed.

[StefanB]

Great position for you Duckling.
I feel okay with Vaxkiller, some of the speculation have been strange, but he is okay.
Sorry Gamma I like you personally but I feel better about Vax this game.
At the moment there are 4 thinks stopping the scum, from winning.
1. The SK/ 3rd scumteam, but I would say SK.
2. The don't know who their traitor is.
3. Can they be completly sure that Grits is dead?
4. Still the numbers.

scumteams have either 4 or 3 member(balance), at last one of them is unknown, so Munition has not won. (That is what I get from the flipps)

Killing the worst because a priority if we reduced groupscum more, but no reason to let him not talk before.
(Even if you believe The Worst is the SK he is as long as we have shoots left, not a danger)

[StefanB]

P-Edit:

StefanB has basically no AI associatives which annoys me.

I should ISO theta.

Sorry.

gammagooey [you have made some good points recently and you noticed the flaws with the plan that had already been proposed]
light ganski [thoughts on you being town have already been made]
davsto [a lot of good points and you also noticed the flaw with the plan austerity made]
the worst [this is town basically all of the time for reasons already explained]

I would be very suprised if Thetas planned endgame, has no scum in it. There has to be a way that her plan leed to a scumwin, or there had to be a scumagenda.

Next two (on her survival list were Winged (a towny) and me.

lovebird [their posting today has been wtf]
vaxkiller [not someone i am confident is town]
austerity [your suggestion results in a town auto-loss as detailed in the previous part of my post]
ausuka [your kill yesterday was on a traitor and also from the hopefully dead team so no more town points for it]

Now Austerity was scum from the other team. We have one goon left and a traitor who is anyones guess, I feel the goon is probably not in the bottomhalf, thoughts?

[StefanB]

Sorry deleted the p-edit because it made no sense after the next one.

[StefanB]

I knew why I posted thar, Archwing was asking about opinions of Pricks.
I did seem to like the first 14 post of Iconeum, upps.
Sorry I don't remember much about that read.
PS: The BP-claim is interesting, it means Davsto is if he is telling the truth, is not the scum Theta was planning to bring to endgame.

And sorry forget to submit that.

Wait until the massclaim is over before you shoot, please. (More infoshoot is better than a less-infoshoot)

[StefanB]

Okay I am away for a few hours, so sorry if you have to wait.

[StefanB]

Hello weren't we massclaiming when I left?
Whose turn is it?
I more skimmed, Assukas scumread is interesting, we have to shoot Munitionscum, if one or two of them are death you can shoot me, after I have done my shoot hopfully on Munition or the SK, that the worst names.
Hopfully the SKshoots ends the game. This is my plan at the moment.

[StefanB]

At this point I feel like we've lost though. Ausuka's lost down a blind tunnel at me and at this point I barely have the effort to go on

I'll list my munitions read rn for clarity:

{ganski, worst, lovebird}
{ausuka, gamma} (these are only

almost

certainly not as opposed to definitely not)
-----
{stefan}
{davsto}
{vaxkiller}

Munitions is >98% in the last 3

Feel like grits is gone but if they aren't last is prob stefan

SK is still prob worst

So you feel that Theta didn't try to get one of her buddys in the last 4? Vaxkiller is on her killlist, davsto claimed BP which screams if scum than traitor.
I mean that for me screams Gansky or Gamma is Munitionscum.

[StefanB]

We will first finish massclaim, than we can shoot people.

[StefanB]

Why don't you want to hear Vax+lovebirds thoughts?

[StefanB]

What happened happened. It would have been easier without some insane shoots by townplayers (who are allready dead).

[StefanB]

At the moment any player who refuses to massclaim.
Yeah I have an Idea, it is basicly between 2 players, deppends in what I believe Theta was doing. (I am still thinking about it)

[StefanB]

Vaxkiller you are next in claiming.

[StefanB]

Stefan's #953 looks like he's specifically softening the theta's shot on hebi to make him look better, and he was in his own category of Okayish on Stefan's early list which I think makes sense for stefan as a scumbuddy to put his partner, and stefan's reaction to theta today felt over the top. His posts I'm talking about are in the spoiler at the bottom of this post.

Dav mentioned that he wouldn't know who munitions scum was if he was a traitor which is true, but him being either a bulletproof traitor or a SK would make a lot of sense in regards to why he was so sure that Mom was playing like bulletproof scum as he joined the game - him being some sort of bulletproof scum would give him the idea that bulletproofs were more likely to be scum than other players, and if he's a bp traitor he might have thought that Mom was his counterpart on the other team, so someone safe to kill off and not risk hitting any of his partners. In case he's SK I'd prefer Stefan being shot first. (or I guess I'd be fine with Stefan in particular shooting Dav but with Stefan at least moderately scumreading me given his posts today and me wanting him dead I don't think he's going to be super inclined to take my advice)

I agree I shouldn't have answered Archwings question and stayed sillent the whole time like you. Nope, yes I was not scumreading Theta that much. Yes was to freely with my townreads on the beginning of the game.
Btw did that one post make me scum of both groups, thats kind of funny, I just need The Worst to reveal that I am the person he thinks is the SK, and I haven been sorted in all 3 scumgroups.
I am asking people on input, what they think of Gamma, in this game.
I will reveal that he is one of the persons I am thinking of shooting. (I am in no way thinking about shooting Light, I townread the slot)

[StefanB]

I haven't normal citizen.

[StefanB]

the worst 2shot BP
Ausuka
Davsto 1 shot BP
Vaxkiller Citizen
Lovebird
StefanB Citizen
light_ganski
Gammagooey

I take the middle of the road-player Lovebird next.

[StefanB]

That really depends for Gamma on the question what Thetas Plan was.

Light I strongly disagree.

[StefanB]

Which means that I think Light_Ganski is townier than Lovebird.

[StefanB]

Nope, the order is copied from the mod. It is only a list of claims, and what is mysing.
We are massclaiming at the moment.
I mean that would be very weird, yes I mean I don't known would I would have made from the order of the list.

[StefanB]

That really depends for Gamma on the question what Thetas Plan was.

Can you rephrase this for me? I don't get what you're saying

The question if you are more likly scum than lovebirds deppends on the question, if Thetas plan was to get on scum into endgame by having them in the townlist or as you and Light pointed out, know he was out soon, and was working on the asumption that we would believe that her scumreads are town.

[StefanB]

I know one think if someone doesn't die, after they are shoot the first time, kill them 100% because they are probably the traitor of the scumteam we are searching for, or it is Davsto.
Thanks for the worst, for the reads, Ganski and probably Ausuka full agreement.

P-Edit: If Davsto is scum then he is the Munitions traitor, so any connection to Aust is uninteresting.

[StefanB]

So davsto is scum because hes teh only claimed 1 shot and has to be the traitor?

Eh maybe.

My point was if he is scum as BP he has to be the traitor of scumgroup b, so conections to scumgroup a are not interesting.
Davsto beeing the traitor could be, or whe have an unclaimed BP, who is the traitor.

[StefanB]

In a few hours I will shout, Lovebird, Vaxkiller or Gamma, any preference?

[StefanB]

Congratulation to the scumteam.

[StefanB]

What was your gameplan, you were dead when the scumgroup did shoot you. What happened night 1?