Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[OnTheMark]

Why is this conversation relevant?
I don't think that is a vague question at all.
I don't see any of this helping to determine anyone's alignment.
So I'm asking what is it that I don't understand.

Wilky said he was blocked.

I am and have been saying Wilky is lying.

People keep saying I could be redirected or bus driven or something and the answer is no.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Wilky

Willing to lynch not projectmatt, this is good probably

[Dunnstral]

And punreader, I don't know w ho you are

[Ankamius]

Why is this conversation relevant?
I don't think that is a vague question at all.
I don't see any of this helping to determine anyone's alignment.
So I'm asking what is it that I don't understand.

...because it directly relates to whether wilky is lying or not (aka town or scum)

[davesaz]

Why is this conversation relevant?
I don't think that is a vague question at all.
I don't see any of this helping to determine anyone's alignment.
So I'm asking what is it that I don't understand.

Wilky said he was blocked.

I am and have been saying Wilky is lying.

People keep saying I could be redirected or bus driven or something and the answer is no.

Wilky said his action failed. He assumed it was your block, and apparently other people assumed that too.
This falls into the same logic hole that your block on me falls into -- it assumes there is only one possible reason for the result.

You not blocking Wilky does not imply that Wilky's action wasn't interfered with. It

could

mean he's lying about being interfered with but it doesn't

prove

it.
Wilky's action being interfered with does not imply your block caused it. It

could

mean you're lying about your target, but it doesn't

prove

it.
I think you're both probably telling the truth here, and some other reason exists for the action to fail. A redirect on Wilky or a busdrive on his target one night or the other for example.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I still dont think a scum wilky comes out of the blue saying he got roleblocked after you had already claimed to block Dave, from the PoV of him scum seeing town you, he has no reason to disbelieve you.
That being said, a fair point was raised if a slow cop's target was changed midway it's possible that would end up in No Result, and if it's a bus driver and wilky was scanning MariaR it begs the question of why MariaR would be swapped somewhere.

There's also the strongwilled item given to impossibear, which makes their actions immune to roleblocks or redirections, if as OTM says is true then OTM's role wouldnt interfere with it and scum has to posses either of these 2 means to interfere with town, it's not outside of the realm of possibility that scum could have used either means to interfere with wilky.

[Alchemist21]

Why is this conversation relevant?
I don't think that is a vague question at all.
I don't see any of this helping to determine anyone's alignment.
So I'm asking what is it that I don't understand.

Wilky said he was blocked.

I am and have been saying Wilky is lying.

People keep saying I could be redirected or bus driven or something and the answer is no.

What about a situation in which a second roleblocker or jailkeeper exists? Jingle mentioned such a thing is possible when considering my role.

[OnTheMark]

Why is this conversation relevant?
I don't think that is a vague question at all.
I don't see any of this helping to determine anyone's alignment.
So I'm asking what is it that I don't understand.

Wilky said he was blocked.

I am and have been saying Wilky is lying.

People keep saying I could be redirected or bus driven or something and the answer is no.

What about a situation in which a second roleblocker or jailkeeper exists? Jingle mentioned such a thing is possible when considering my role.

If 314 roleblockers and redirectors all target me at the same time it doesn’t matter.

My actions are before literally anything else. My action ends before those start.

[OnTheMark]

It’s literally I submit. My action ends—-

Then process submissions.

If a strongman exists it doesn’t matter as they hadn’t submitted the kill and therefore are still blocked.

[OnTheMark]

I still dont think a scum wilky comes out of the blue saying he got roleblocked after you had already claimed to block Dave, from the PoV of him scum seeing town you, he has no reason to disbelieve you.
That being said, a fair point was raised if a slow cop's target was changed midway it's possible that would end up in No Result, and if it's a bus driver and wilky was scanning MariaR it begs the question of why MariaR would be swapped somewhere.

There's also the strongwilled item given to impossibear, which makes their actions immune to roleblocks or redirections, if as OTM says is true then OTM's role wouldnt interfere with it and scum has to posses either of these 2 means to interfere with town, it's not outside of the realm of possibility that scum could have used either means to interfere with wilky.

They do if they think they can get away with it.

[Ankamius]

Why is this conversation relevant?
I don't think that is a vague question at all.
I don't see any of this helping to determine anyone's alignment.
So I'm asking what is it that I don't understand.

Wilky said he was blocked.

I am and have been saying Wilky is lying.

People keep saying I could be redirected or bus driven or something and the answer is no.

What about a situation in which a second roleblocker or jailkeeper exists? Jingle mentioned such a thing is possible when considering my role.

A second RB/JK would mean wilky was targeted, not you again.
If 314 roleblockers and redirectors all target me at the same time it doesn’t matter.

My actions are before literally anything else. My action ends before those start.

[Impossibear]

OTM. A REDIRECT ON

WILKY

HAS FUCKING NOTHING TO DO WITH

YOU

OR WHO YOU BLOCKED, AND WOULD STILL RESULT IN WILKY GETTING NO RESULT.

Why is this so fucking hard to understand????

ETL

[OnTheMark]

Because the odds of that are pretty nil unless it is Alchemist who I already scumread.

My role PM doesn’t mention that shit so the only way I can think of is that if it is Alchemist who is already in my scum pool but the simpler answer is he lied.

At some point you’re gonna have to stop going with “what if” and go with what is likely.

It is indeed possible that we’re all town and the mod lied to us. However I trust GiF not to do that.

At some point you gotta stop doing possibilities and start doing probabilities.

[GuyInFreezer]

Searching for replacement for Ramcius.

[Impossibear]

the odds of that are pretty nil

omfg... according to who, YOU???

Like.. where are you getting this idea?? We have very clear reasons for believing there is a redirector in this game. We are telling you that is the absolute 100% case. But you are ignoring the facts in order for the narrative to fit your narrow scope of the game.

This is how you are coming to incorrect conclusions and why everyone is yelling at you and calling you wrong.

Because you are wrong. The entire last week of this game has been you spouting BS and the rest of the thread trying to explain why and how you are wrong and you ignoring common sense.

THE ENTIRE WEEK

. The last 20-odd pages. STOP IT.

ETL

[Kokichi Oma]

Isnt a bus drive considered bastard?

[Kokichi Oma]

I'll just sheep Kaede at this point. She is the protagonist after all

[OnTheMark]

Isnt a bus drive considered bastard?

No it isnt.

@ETL
If you had my role PM you’d be in my shoes.

I wouldn’t be arguing this if I didn’t believe it.

I was dropping it but punreader brought it up. I can’t let bad theories run wild else town loses.

[Impossibear]

@ETL
If you had my role PM you’d be in my shoes.

I wouldn’t be arguing this if I didn’t believe it.

OTM. A REDIRECT ON

WILKY

HAS FUCKING NOTHING TO DO WITH

YOU

OR WHO YOU BLOCKED, AND WOULD STILL RESULT IN WILKY GETTING NO RESULT.

Why is this so fucking hard to understand????

ETL

[Impossibear]

It has fuck all to do with your role. Stop acting like you blocking dave and wilky failing are in any way fucking related whatsoever if a redirector exists, which it fucking does. End of story.

ETL

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

can i MANhammer projectmatt yet?

no? evil titus still spamming the game with bullshit? alright, will come back later...

[Impossibear]

can i MANhammer projectmatt yet?

no? evil titus still spamming the game with bullshit? alright, will come back later...

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

You stay and contribue.

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

okay, only for you ETL

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

can we lynch davesaz for blatantly pushing scum wincon?

[REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE]

that little getting roleblocked thing by OtM yesterday is also

really

fishy...