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Post Post #14 (isolation #0) » Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:33 am

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Confirm

Is this finally the setup in which policy lynches are optimal play

Yassss
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Post Post #30 (isolation #1) » Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:16 am

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In post 27, Aristophanes wrote:Which guard am I? I need to know where to vote XD
yeah this is problematic

i'm old guard by 2018 standards but the Older Old Guard keeps tunneling my towngame so i think i'm defecting to new guard
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Post Post #32 (isolation #2) » Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:18 am

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who the fuck has pine even met out of this playerlist after dat hiatus
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Post Post #48 (isolation #3) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:27 pm

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VOTE: mastina
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Post Post #54 (isolation #4) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:32 pm

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In post 50, Mulch wrote:NOTE:
I talked to alisae and, unbeknownst to me, at least before we talked, alisae ASSIGNED the town people’s roles. For example, I’m a role that fits me really well. This was really easy to miss in the rules, so realize that roles are NOT random, and that we can townfirm people (at least some) by how well their role fits their personality
is this serious

how does miller fit NSG's personality at all

i refuse to believe pine drafted her and then told her to claim miller lol
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Post Post #57 (isolation #5) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:35 pm

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i'm literally eating dinner fuck off
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Post Post #70 (isolation #6) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:42 pm

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In post 65, Mulch wrote:
In post 57, Mathdino wrote:i'm literally eating dinner fuck off
You had 24 hours to plan a strategy post when this game is FULL of pre game shit you can do
You are one of the most mechanics driven players I’ve seen across all 3 sites
I find it hard to believe you twiddled your thumbs

I’m not going to tunnel you on #pregamereads, though
I have shit to say
The game started while I was heating up my dinner lol
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Post Post #88 (isolation #7) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:03 pm

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In post 65, Mulch wrote:
In post 57, Mathdino wrote:i'm literally eating dinner fuck off
You had 24 hours to plan a strategy post when this game is FULL of pre game shit you can do
You are one of the most mechanics driven players I’ve seen across all 3 sites
I find it hard to believe you twiddled your thumbs

I’m not going to tunnel you on #pregamereads, though
yo i appreciate it
i basically never plan strategy posts though until the game actually starts
see polygamist where i accidentally proposed a bad strategy before breaking on page 2

my main concerns are
1. Ellibereth is a pretty obvious Pine pick. Thinking objectively optimal strategy is policy lynch Ellibereth D1 and sheep all his reads afterward.

2. but also fuck mastina for self-voting, i'm not reading those walls
not to mention mastina school of scumplay = pine school of scumplay

3. VTs should act like they're masons and masons should act like they're VTs. I feel like you guys know this by now.

4. NSG is probably 99% innocent child based on that claim alone.

so
mastina --> Ellibereth -- > whoever townElli tells us to lynch
probably takes out 2 scum
or 1 scum and sets the game on lock

Edit:
does anyone have 100% record of reading chara
because that would actually remove the need to lynch elli if they're town
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Post Post #90 (isolation #8) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:05 pm

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In post 88, Mathdino wrote:objectively optimal strategy
this means independently of anything that's actually happened so far btw

mulch is probably town so far just for application of mathdino meta knowledge

not familiar with the meta on like anyone else
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Post Post #91 (isolation #9) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:05 pm

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In post 89, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Also, how many of these fucking "pick a player to be X alignment" games do I need to play and then FLIP TOWN IN before people realize that no one is ever going to pick me to be scum in these games. Humans are naturally risk averse.

Additionally, I think Alisae is the kind of person who would draft me to keep me from being drafted as scum.
...
can we talk about this in about a week
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Post Post #94 (isolation #10) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:07 pm

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In post 92, MariaR wrote:
In post 88, Mathdino wrote:does anyone have 100% record of reading chara
because that would actually remove the need to lynch elli if they're town
ooo ooo I do!
how many games with each alignment
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Post Post #123 (isolation #11) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:16 pm

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In post 99, Centipede Syndrome wrote:
In post 88, Mathdino wrote:Edit: does anyone have 100% record of reading chara
because that would actually remove the need to lynch elli if they're town
or you could wait for us to be nightkilled instead of wasting our day one lynch on policy and then sheeping reads we's only have a day to make.

i mean. this is an objectively terrible plan and i'm surprised at you. if we're town (we are, obviously) Elli is tearing this game wide open and scum are going to kill us at their first opporunity.
~Chara
i actually had my own convo with alisae where she literally said that if creature were in this game, and she got to draft scum, she would draft creature
not to roll the town with mad scumskills
but because it robs town of
1. creature's reads
2. creature's deterministic end of D1 flip

both of these things apply to the ellibereth/chara hydra except 10 times as much on point 1 and about half as much on point 2

like there's a point in skill level as town (assuming average or above scumplay) where you literally become the optimal lynch to everyone but yourself. i reached that point with my IRL group and RC basically reached that point for me

i will defer to others if you're just obvtown in a way that couldn't be coached by elli tho

also i read all the walls and it is actually sickening for me to say
but i think we should basically sheep mastina and mulch
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Post Post #126 (isolation #12) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:17 pm

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In post 120, mastina wrote:
In post 99, Centipede Syndrome wrote:i mean. this is an objectively terrible plan and i'm surprised at you.
Which alignment do you suppose that makes him, then?
are you ever going to (re)learn charisma

you literally wrote the article on it that rocketed my townplay and then threw it all out
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Post Post #128 (isolation #13) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:18 pm

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In post 125, Centipede Syndrome wrote:Fire: not at all!
or maybe a little.

like. if Math's plan is to follow town Elli's reads after he's lynched, why the hell does he propose lynching us
first
? we can get more scum if he waits, and the far more likely scenario is us just being nightkilled so the day 1 lynch can actually be useful.
my plan is actually to lynch mastina first and then you

reread my post
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Post Post #146 (isolation #14) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:26 pm

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In post 145, northsidegal wrote:Like, that doesn't seem real. If you're speaking without hyperbole i just don't think it's reasonable to have a scumread of that strength on mastina right now, and you don't strike me as the type of player who makes 100% or near 100% confidence scumreads like that this early with this little to go off of.
you have meta on bbmolla?

i don't even have meta on bbmolla and i literally wrote his title lol
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Post Post #150 (isolation #15) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:30 pm

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In post 144, mastina wrote:Ginngie is doing something this game she absolutely should not be doing if she is town, and doing something which is ABSOLUTELY exactly how she would be going about things as scum.

There's a minor caveat, in that she is doing something which she would in fact do as town. So if you think this is soulread levels of confidence, it's not. But she is in fact a quite serious scumread.
this does not a scumread make

this is actually a fantastic argument that ginngie doing that is NAI

i can't believe i didn't overhaul the slayer's gambit wiki page before this game started
everyone's reactions are NAI because they'd just vote the gambiter as town anyway
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Post Post #153 (isolation #16) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:32 pm

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In post 149, northsidegal wrote:
In post 146, Mathdino wrote:
In post 145, northsidegal wrote:Like, that doesn't seem real. If you're speaking without hyperbole i just don't think it's reasonable to have a scumread of that strength on mastina right now, and you don't strike me as the type of player who makes 100% or near 100% confidence scumreads like that this early with this little to go off of.
you have meta on bbmolla?

i don't even have meta on bbmolla and i literally wrote his title lol
no, just speaking from "soulreading" as the MUers say.
pretty sure soulreading is when you know the player so incredibly well that you can instantly read them

if it didn't tick you off when i brag about it i would basically call "Mathdino reading NSG" as the only example of my ability to soulread
probably add redflavor to that

regardless i think you're more psychologically profiling

in which case fine i guess i'm gonna be doing some sweet cold meta on bbmolla
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Post Post #159 (isolation #17) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:40 pm

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In post 105, mastina wrote:
In post 88, Mathdino wrote:mastina --> Ellibereth -- > whoever townElli tells us to lynch
probably takes out 2 scum
or 1 scum and sets the game on lock

Edit:
does anyone have 100% record of reading chara
because that would actually remove the need to lynch elli if they're town
VOTE: Mathdino
In post 106, northsidegal wrote:i agree that mathdino wanting to lynch ellibereth day one is terrible
lol i did not see these posts

hey NSG what do you think of always lynching radiantcowbells D1 then
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Post Post #169 (isolation #18) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:43 pm

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In post 162, Ginngie wrote:
In post 159, Mathdino wrote:
In post 105, mastina wrote:
In post 88, Mathdino wrote:mastina --> Ellibereth -- > whoever townElli tells us to lynch
probably takes out 2 scum
or 1 scum and sets the game on lock

Edit:
does anyone have 100% record of reading chara
because that would actually remove the need to lynch elli if they're town
VOTE: Mathdino
In post 106, northsidegal wrote:i agree that mathdino wanting to lynch ellibereth day one is terrible
lol i did not see these posts

hey NSG what do you think of always lynching radiantcowbells D1 then
RC death tunnels people because ego and fucks up a lot

Elli is a paragon, not a Don Corleon
which as per alisae conversation is exactly why they're EXTREMELY likely to be scum

that said i do accept that they're probably dead tonight (and supposedly obvtown) if they're town anyway

plan functions if chara is not obvtown and if elli does not die tonight

mastina has graciously given us a day/night to make that happen
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Post Post #174 (isolation #19) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:46 pm

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i'm so disappointed with the lynch requirements in larges

i patiently await reckoner's reaction to this flummery

Edit: i also would recruit elli first, it's practically throwing not to
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Post Post #182 (isolation #20) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:49 pm

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how exactly does the guilty child mechanic actually affect the game literally at all

i have never seen a set of skilled players lynch based on things that confscum say after they're confscum
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Post Post #185 (isolation #21) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:53 pm

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reading larges is dangerous for my health
still surprised that people did that

can't we just play pretending that guilty child is on our ignore list

this setup should be townsided with combination of
1. choose your side meta (props to LLD for reminding everyone of this beautiful thing)
2. innocent child is supposed to be the counterbalance to guilty child but it's extremely +town EV while pine is 0 EV
3. NSG is basically an innocent child as well, along with others depending on what roles alisae assigned them personally
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Post Post #191 (isolation #22) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:56 pm

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In post 187, Firebringer wrote:
In post 185, Mathdino wrote:reading larges is dangerous for my health
still surprised that people did that

can't we just play pretending that guilty child is on our ignore list

this setup should be townsided with combination of
1. choose your side meta (props to LLD for reminding everyone of this beautiful thing)
2. innocent child is supposed to be the counterbalance to guilty child but it's extremely +town EV while pine is 0 EV
3. NSG is basically an innocent child as well, along with others depending on what roles alisae assigned them personally
We can try but lol

There is a reason for Pines title
like that's actually idiotic

i beat scum pine literally by ignoring his bullshit about self-meta (HE NEVER BUSSES UNLESS HE DOES, GUYS) and ignoring everything he said once he was confscum to me

Edit: oh wow it looks like pine made a post, guess i'm not reading that
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Post Post #197 (isolation #23) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:00 pm

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In post 196, northsidegal wrote:hey math, did you ever read open 701?
no, reading larges is dangerous for my health

i read your ISO, like two others, and the entire mafia PT, but that was it
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Post Post #210 (isolation #24) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:05 pm

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wait does that script actually work even though scum wrote it

do you wanna make a pact NSG to create an expanding ignore-pinebloc
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Post Post #215 (isolation #25) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:08 pm

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In post 205, Firebringer wrote:If I was scum who would I pick?

Probably two good scum players and probably two just weird choices?

Maybe something like mastina, Reckoner, kuhaku and shos?
1. not picking ellibereth is gamethrowing
i would lol if pine lost just because he wasn't familiar enough with the playerlist to know this

2. picking 2 weird choices is overrated if they don't have the charisma to survive as either alignment

Edit: ginngie stop talking to pine
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Post Post #219 (isolation #26) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:09 pm

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like guys if you wanna be buddy buddy with pine that's great, happy for the family reunion, but just do it outside the thread thanks

i've been sitechatting him since he got back last week or so lol
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Post Post #230 (isolation #27) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:13 pm

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i actually don't know how that works lol

are you on chrome NSG?

will teach myself JS if it means i can make sure that script is restricted to only this thread so everyone can use it
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Post Post #234 (isolation #28) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:16 pm

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OMG CAN WE POLICY LYNCH BOTH MASTINA
AND
GINNGIE IF THEY KEEP TALKING TO PINE

BOTH OF THEM ARE INCREDIBLY OVERRATED AT TOWNPLAY

edit: NSG GOAT
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Post Post #238 (isolation #29) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:18 pm

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NSG there seems to be a flaw in the code
In post 227, northsidegal wrote:         inner.innerText = "Ignore confirmed scum, :good:";
while i did lol at this
is there any way we can make this line funnier
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Post Post #241 (isolation #30) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:19 pm

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fuck it only works if the URL starts with the thread URL
doesn't work if you click post numbers
still, good enough
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Post Post #248 (isolation #31) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:23 pm

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In post 243, northsidegal wrote:oh true, i guess it's a trade off between having to turn it off elsewhere and that
i'm guessing there's a way to get it to input the thread title (which itself is a link to the thread URL) and only execute the script on this thread

guessing that would also allow hiding pine on pedit boxes and topic review

Edit: yeah those people are dumb and don't know how to use sitechat to talk to their friend
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Post Post #260 (isolation #32) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:34 pm

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i'm gonna be completely honest here and say i don't give a fuck if she's town

like realtalk for a second here

there are basically 2 players total that i respect when self-voting as town (assuming the mechanics aren't wonky, i.e. vengeful or short deadline)

and both of them have hilariously good reads directly after the self-vote. like HILARIOUSLY good. one does it to (successfully) WIFOM the scum

but those players are also pretty well recognised as messes of AtE and not something newbies should aspire to

mastina has published by far the most articles on mafia theory. like i actually find it difficult to write articles around stuff that mastina has already ranted for 5 pages about. when people read up on how to play mafia, they are by far most likely to run into mastina.

So fuck self-voters. And fuck them even more when they're incredibly prominent members of the community with dedicated schools of townplay.

We're lynching mastina D1 or D2. Take your pick.
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Post Post #267 (isolation #33) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:37 pm

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In post 257, Mulch wrote:I'm just going to town!confirm Aristophanes right now beause Pine isn't a fucking idiot (someone correct me if wrong)

My oh my it feels good to be on the opposite side of these townsinded as fuck alignment non random games
i mean

the key is to not do exactly what everyone expects you to do lol
and to do something just slightly less optimal than maximum

also someone raised a good point in that pine didn't have access to ALL his top picks. first pick was most likely either

Pine: mastina
Alisae: Ellibereth, X, X (nothing matters at this point tbh

or
Pine: Ellibereth
Alisae: {good scum player}, {good town player}, etc
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Post Post #274 (isolation #34) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:40 pm

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In post 261, Mulch wrote:
In post 260, Mathdino wrote:i'm gonna be completely honest here and say i don't give a fuck if she's town

like realtalk for a second here

there are basically 2 players total that i respect when self-voting as town (assuming the mechanics aren't wonky, i.e. vengeful or short deadline)

and both of them have hilariously good reads directly after the self-vote. like HILARIOUSLY good. one does it to (successfully) WIFOM the scum

but those players are also pretty well recognised as messes of AtE and not something newbies should aspire to

mastina has published by far the most articles on mafia theory. like i actually find it difficult to write articles around stuff that mastina has already ranted for 5 pages about. when people read up on how to play mafia, they are by far most likely to run into mastina.

So fuck self-voters. And fuck them even more when they're incredibly prominent members of the community with dedicated schools of townplay.

We're lynching mastina D1 or D2. Take your pick.
VOTE: Mathdino

Wolfy as fuck

Not the fact that you are pushing a policy lynch, the tone behind it. It's fake as hell

Thoughts on LLD?
glad you liked my (admittedly mostly fabricated) speech

it's fake because i don't actually think mastina is more scum-indicative than normal

like it's hard to argue that lynching town-mastina is +town EV
(granted, nothing matters if ellitown anyway)

but i'm also aware that she's hard to lynch

i hereby pledge to reenact political campaign ads in order to get mastina lynched for this absolute fuckery

because this is a major element of declining self meta
which i recognise that you don't recognise but whatever

it's morning in mafiascum
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Post Post #277 (isolation #35) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:41 pm

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In post 268, Parama wrote:i'd policy lynch math for voting mastina before i policy lynched mastina for self-voting

p-edit: wow. someone who doesn't know dgb, that's actually kinda adorable
policy lynching policy lynchers is some idiotic shit that is also a major part of declining town site meta

people are actively afraid of lynching the shit out of lurkers and people who claim scum
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Post Post #278 (isolation #36) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:41 pm

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@mulch: i'm avoiding talking about LLD right now for about another week or so
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Post Post #284 (isolation #37) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:46 pm

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In post 281, Mulch wrote:Mastina is town

Lynching town =bad

I'm not using this game as a platform to try and create "long term reform" in MS

I wanna win

badly

--- and Mastina isn't completely destructive
this is exactly like every other depressing sequel isn't it
tbh if i only wanted long term reform i'd probably WOTC ellibereth for youknowwhat but w/e

if chara turns out to be scum i will withhold on policy lynching mastina, fair?

also having just finished a game with town mastina who tunneled me for a whole day, blew up the thread (allowing scum to hide), and actively ignored anything i had to say
while butting into the conversations i was having in order to try to sort people (which hurt my ability to sort people)

i disagree that mastina is less destructive than derpy hooves

and flubbernugget is fine
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Post Post #289 (isolation #38) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:47 pm

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In post 282, Parama wrote:
In post 277, Mathdino wrote:
In post 268, Parama wrote:i'd policy lynch math for voting mastina before i policy lynched mastina for self-voting

p-edit: wow. someone who doesn't know dgb, that's actually kinda adorable
policy lynching policy lynchers is some idiotic shit that is also a major part of declining town site meta

people are actively afraid of lynching the shit out of lurkers and people who claim scum
i love too lynch lurkers but i'll also self-vote all day, y'all aren't even lynching fire and he claimed scum first so w/e
firebringer is clearly being sarcastic

mastina is outright pulling slayer's gambit

also mastina is a more respected mafia theorist than firebringer
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Post Post #300 (isolation #39) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:53 pm

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In post 298, mastina wrote:
In post 274, Mathdino wrote:like it's hard to argue that lynching town-mastina is +town EV
Except, legit, I genuinely think it is. While I did make that post more or less as a parody, the point behind it? Dead serious.

I think that lynching me before endgame is +town EV.

I don't
like
eating mislynches (especially since by my SWA algorithm that's an automatic -2), but when it's part of gamebreaking I can bite the bullet. And I legit think that lynching me at some point DOES accomplish that. I'm not sure about when, specifically, lynching me would be the right play. But lynching me, I genuinely feel helps the town. It's just a question of when, and what I can do to maximize said help.

I don't have the specifics planned out. But I more or less mapped out in my mind...I can't find the words for it, but the beginning of a strategy whereby lynching me helps to expose the scum.
what the fuck

the last time i argued for policy lynching you before lylo you went balls to the wallpost shitting on my play and arguing you'll never get lynched no matter what

are you purposefully just saying something completely different every game re: self meta
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Post Post #324 (isolation #40) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:05 pm

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hoooo boy i have some spicy things to spam this game with in a week or so as well
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Post Post #329 (isolation #41) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:07 pm

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@mulch/firebringer:
In post 46, mastina wrote:Hey.
VOTE: mastina.
Dead serious here.
I'm entering in a 1v1 with mastina.

Like. If she flips town POWER lynch me here.

I was informed that role assignment wasn't random this game.
Pine knows me to be a stellar scum player and not quite as strong a town player, yet I wasn't one of his picks for the scumteam.
But unless I massively misunderstood the game's nature: Pine did in fact get a choice in at least ONE scumbuddy, if not all three. (Something about a draft order.)
He didn't select me.

I refuse to believe he allowed both me and mastina to be town.
So lynch me, lynch mastina, doesn't matter who you lynch first but mastina is scum.
Guaranteed.
this is the ideal mafia post
you may not like it
but this is what peak performance looks like

also FWIW i agree that there is no way ginngie and mastina are both scum
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Post Post #331 (isolation #42) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:08 pm

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wat

i'm saying that a scumflip between the two of you hardclears the other one
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Post Post #341 (isolation #43) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:15 pm

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HEY OK WAIT

so obviously trying to sus out pine's picks is some dumb shit because his job is to WIFOM us out

but alisae's picks are naturally going to be more honest

what are the chances that alisae allows pine to draft more than one of {Ellibereth, mastina, Ginngie} given that she gets 3 picks in a row?
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Post Post #347 (isolation #44) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:19 pm

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In post 343, Ginngie wrote:
In post 342, Pine wrote:I will point out that you were both Town last game, and I won. Gin even got endgamed.
Fuck you.
i'm strongly considering keeping a counter of who talks to pine more and policy lynching whichever of mastina and ginngie is highest

Edit: not talking about that one yet
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Post Post #353 (isolation #45) » Sat Apr 07, 2018 3:25 pm

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not gonna post a reads list until everyone checks in, sorry

almost everything that's been posted so far is unreadable nonsense

also fuck you i win by townhunting

{mulch, NSG, parama} is where i'm at
if we can get a scumflip on {ellibereth, mastina, ginngie} that's 2 more 100% townies
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Post Post #712 (isolation #46) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:10 am

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wait you still around kiana?
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Post Post #715 (isolation #47) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:15 am

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@Kiana:
In post 424, Firebringer wrote:I just had an epiphany that Alisae doesn’t really have an incentive to try to form an all star town team so he could just draft randomly or for no good reason
Thoughts on this post?

camn and Pine have wincons. Alisae does not.

Also you need to stop masonhunting. The vast majority of scumwins in mason setups are lost because town is full of dumb shits that accidentally force the masons to out themselves. See history of Friends & Enemies.
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Post Post #716 (isolation #48) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:16 am

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In post 702, Kuuhaku wrote:I absolutely missed the miller claim, didn't see it at all, but from NSG's posts independently I've been townreading her outside of it. I see no reason to change my read based on something as irrelevant as a miller claim.
this here's a townslip btw

scum-kiana would remember all the claims i think
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Post Post #719 (isolation #49) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:21 am

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wasn't going to ask, but okay

your reasons mostly show a lack of understanding of my playstyle, which is whatever

people were scumreading me in BYM D1 because that was an offgame with the nonstop shitshow

Edit: jesus christ
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Post Post #722 (isolation #50) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:23 am

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you overestimate your own read accuracy significantly more than RC does, kiana

like you're slowly turning into the new him in that regard
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Post Post #726 (isolation #51) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:26 am

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In post 724, Kuuhaku wrote:
In post 722, Mathdino wrote:you overestimate your own read accuracy significantly more than RC does, kiana

like you're slowly turning into the new him in that regard
Coming from a scumread, I'll take this comment with a bucketload of salt.
have you ever actually calculated your own read accuracy

PoE does 5 times as much work as actual scumhunting, which, for the majority of players, results in = random reads

yours included
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Post Post #732 (isolation #52) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:32 am

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In post 727, Kuuhaku wrote:Yes, I have, it's above 80%. Don't believe me? Check my completed games where I was town. The base rate where a random number generator is used to determine reads is 33%, which is most scum:town ratios. Weaker players are worse than that.
i'm just gonna let everyone else deal with this

this is inaccurate on 3 different levels
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Post Post #737 (isolation #53) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:40 am

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In post 734, Kuuhaku wrote:
In post 732, Mathdino wrote:
In post 727, Kuuhaku wrote:Yes, I have, it's above 80%. Don't believe me? Check my completed games where I was town. The base rate where a random number generator is used to determine reads is 33%, which is most scum:town ratios. Weaker players are worse than that.
i'm just gonna let everyone else deal with this

this is inaccurate on 3 different levels
I doubt anybody cares, to be honest. It's like, you asked me a question, I answered you, then when I gave an answer that you don't like, you go "nope, gonna let others deal with this."

Then why ask? :shifty:
sigh

1. i HAVE been checking your completed towngames, your scumread accuracy is not 80%. ELLIBERETH'S scumread accuracy isn't even 80%
if your townread accuracy is 80%, you are exactly average

2. random reads are 25% accurate on scumreads, 75% accurate on townreads

3. you don't seem to know what ratio means

4. you constantly act like you're some hot shit, SAY that you're some hot shit, and it's annoying as shit and i thought i'd get away from that kind of playstyle after RC got banned
like people call me egotistical but that's mostly because of confidence
i'm pretty honest about my reads accuracy and the possibility of being wrong
you're just... not

i asked because i was hoping we could talk about your self awareness for a second (something something read my article) but w/e

you're fitting right in on this site
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Post Post #741 (isolation #54) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:56 am

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- "If you don't like my answer, why ask": because i wanted to see whether you had, and if you had, how accurate your self appraisal actually is

- oh fuck off, i nailed NSG and mulch. you weren't ejected, you threw a tantrum. i voted against my reads that lylo because i sheep the dead as a matter of principle
people don't sheep the dead nearly enough on MS
i assumed that RC would have a correct read on CT given his history of correctly reading her

- you're asking me counterquestions when i respond to you yet you want me to not respond to you?

80% scumread accuracy is such a meme

i'm waiting to talk about my scumreads for a thing to finish in a few days or so

D1 is literally "find a lynch that isn't shit, hope ellibereth is town, and wait for him to solve the game"

so far shit lynches would be
{Mulch, NSG, Parama (why the fuck are people scumreading this), Aristophanes, Kiana} and probably {BBMolla}
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Post Post #742 (isolation #55) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:01 am

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hilariously cluttered ISO but on review firebringer is town as well
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Post Post #745 (isolation #56) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:08 am

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if you don't want me to continue the discussion stop fucking asking me questions then

i follow your games onsite, i know exactly why you replaced out of all your games (welcome back to an alisae large theme btw), and my statements of having nailed NSG from the first 5 pages are entirely correct

you literally started a discussion with "HEY MATHDINO YOURE GOING TO ASK WHY IM SCUMREADING YOU AND HERES WHY"

to which my response is, i don't really give a fuck, you townslipped and you have a way higher opinion of yourself than what is in any way realistic, and it's like i'm playing with another 2018 RC

all i wanted to talk to you about in the first place was the alignment choice meta thing
i suspect that alisae might have balanced the game in response to the skill level of the scumteam
but i really don't think alisae is "playing to town wincon" like camn is
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Post Post #760 (isolation #57) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:42 am

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reckoner do you have reads on {Parama, DGB, LLD} based on ISO

the hyperposters will get sorted by the 2017ers who all know each other, i wouldn't worry about that
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Post Post #763 (isolation #58) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:45 am

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oh actually i'll throw in BBMolla and maybe aristophanes?

who can you reliably read in this game on ISO
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Post Post #768 (isolation #59) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:49 am

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Wait you didn't answer the parama question reck
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Post Post #772 (isolation #60) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:53 am

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In post 770, xRECKONERx wrote:im also really not gonna entertain "so and so wouldnt be picked!!!!" because that's just WIFOM and i'm not opening that can of worms
In post 39, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 31, Parama wrote:i legitimately and wholeheartedly believe firebringer is telling the truth about being scum.
yep this 100%

also im confirmed town bc pine would never pick me for scum lolhaha
5/7 shitpost
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Post Post #777 (isolation #61) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:57 am

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have very good reason to believe scum kiana never forgets NSG is a miller

have 0 reason to believe scum kiana outright lies about what she does and doesn't remember. she's a very spewy player

i guess i can't say more?
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Post Post #781 (isolation #62) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:00 am

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I mean i generally only use confirmed town on mechanically 99% town and players like creature
Oh and supertownslips from shit scum players

And ye i gotchu
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Post Post #784 (isolation #63) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:02 am

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firebringer why are you NOT reading kiana as town then

Edit: scum kiana had a day of pre-game chat to notice NSG miller claim

i REALLY should not say more, go meta her yourself my dude
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Post Post #787 (isolation #64) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:06 am

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In post 786, Firebringer wrote:
In post 784, Mathdino wrote:firebringer why are you NOT reading kiana as town then

Edit: scum kiana had a day of pre-game chat to notice NSG miller claim

i REALLY should not say more, go meta her yourself my dude
I think this lack of awareness and moon logic from her is scummy
She is in her own world that isn’t based here on planet earth and think if town would you know be aware of the game
that is a very bad assumption to make about town kiana lol

like a very VERY bad assumption to make

"in her own world" is a good representation of her playstyle

like if titus and RC playstyles had a lovechild and added a dash of jaydragonking
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Post Post #815 (isolation #65) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:14 am

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In post 812, northsidegal wrote:i disagree. even if you have reason to believe that scum-kiana would remember the miller claim, what she said was that she missed it. that's entirely different and, in my view, changes things.
My current profile of how scum Kiana plays precludes the idea that she doesn't miss it

I'll explain sometime
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Post Post #816 (isolation #66) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:15 am

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Ebwop: that she misses a Miller claim
Fuck double negatives
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Post Post #819 (isolation #67) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:18 am

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Ginngie do the work yourself to see why I'm not explaining shit about kianas meta
Seriously it's not hard
In post 436, Pine wrote:
In post 433, camn wrote:
In post 429, Pine wrote:PE: True, but my intended pick, Gin, was a relative unknown then as well
Not unknown TO YOU, you dirty little slut.
Ooooh, are we hurling baseless insults now?

FYI, I am happily and monogamously married with our first child due in a little over a month. You filthy slag.
Holy fuck I just caught this
Not running the script on mobile is worth it just to watch camn/pine interactions
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Post Post #823 (isolation #68) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:22 am

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Wait implosion did you not give a fuck when I literally wrote a speech on why mastina needs to be policy lynched even if town
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Post Post #826 (isolation #69) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:27 am

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I mean reck is on record in the MD just as much as I am for loving policy lynches

Reck is in my PoE pool sure but policy lynching mastina is not why he's scum

Give reads on the whole mastina wagon thanks
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Post Post #830 (isolation #70) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:28 am

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In post 825, Ginngie wrote:Math-doing the bitching a lot which is honestly why I scumread him correctly last game, also on self reflection that was the only game played with him and could be just a trope. Regardless, still don't feel to fuzzy about it
I just don't like larges
Or themes now that I think about it

I'm here on invitation
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Post Post #834 (isolation #71) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:31 am

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Then do it literally based on the argument she provided in her first post

Her presence is -EV for town

Site wide reform is just an AtE argument for it
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Post Post #835 (isolation #72) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:31 am

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In post 833, northsidegal wrote:so who's excited for mastina's 20+ page catchup?
Can ellibereth solve the game before this happens so we can just speedlynch mastina
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Post Post #836 (isolation #73) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:32 am

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In post 46, mastina wrote:Hey.
VOTE: mastina.
Dead serious here.
I'm entering in a 1v1 with mastina.

Like. If she flips town POWER lynch me here.

I was informed that role assignment wasn't random this game.
Pine knows me to be a stellar scum player and not quite as strong a town player, yet I wasn't one of his picks for the scumteam.
But unless I massively misunderstood the game's nature: Pine did in fact get a choice in at least ONE scumbuddy, if not all three. (Something about a draft order.)
He didn't select me.

I refuse to believe he allowed both me and mastina to be town.
So lynch me, lynch mastina, doesn't matter who you lynch first but mastina is scum.
Guaranteed.
Goodposting
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Post Post #839 (isolation #74) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:33 am

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In post 59, mastina wrote:Also, let me put it to you another way. Normally I am adamantly against policy lynches, but in this game, I actually genuinely think it's the best play. Pine would, disproportionately, be likely to pick mastina. She can't be allowed to live until endgame. She is a player who is disproportionately likely to be scum, and even if not, she is someone who is terrible enough at town that we don't want her costing us lylo anyway.

FURTHERMORE.
Lynching mastina will let the town have a better insight into who Pine did, and didn't pick. Plus, in theory, we'd be able to use mastina's reads and insight into Pine's psyche once she died to help better the gamestate, though personally, honestly, I'd probably be more inclined to just write her off as bad town who arrogantly believes she knows everything.

STILL.

This makes her, hands-down, the best lynch today, on policy alone. That she is likely scum is all the better.
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Post Post #840 (isolation #75) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:35 am

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In post 838, implosion wrote:
In post 834, Mathdino wrote:Then do it literally based on the argument she provided in her first post

Her presence is -EV for town

Site wide reform is just an AtE argument for it
Do you have an actual read on her?
Do I look like the kind of player that can read mastina
I utterly refuse to play these games with people who are known to be significantly better at scum than town
They adapt their game to be townread by me, or they organise their teams to retaliation lynch me

I'm just sheeping ellibereths read if he's town for obvious reasons
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Post Post #844 (isolation #76) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:37 am

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My refusal to read super hard into those kinds of players is essentially equal to my refusal to even see pines posts

It just doesn't end well

I can read the rest of the playerlist well enough and I can fill in the gaps with sheeping
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Post Post #847 (isolation #77) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:38 am

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In post 843, Ginngie wrote:
In post 840, Mathdino wrote:I utterly refuse to play these games with people who are known to be significantly better at scum than tow
Okay I dont want to come off as rude

but this is pathetic and you should feel bad
I mean in my mind you're in the same pool

I accept that you and mastina can't be scum together so with enough time I could just sheep your reads on each other at end of day
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Post Post #853 (isolation #78) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:41 am

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In post 849, Ginngie wrote:
In post 844, Mathdino wrote:My refusal to read super hard into those kinds of players is essentially equal to my refusal to even see pines posts

It just doesn't end well

I can read the rest of the playerlist well enough and I can fill in the gaps with sheeping
No I mean the part where you don't like playing with someone because it's 'difficult'

give me a break
You misunderstood me
I play the game of mafia with them, I'm not wotcing players I can't read
I just don't play the WHAT'S MATHDINOS PERSONAL READ ON THEM
Because my read on those types is literally likely to either be completely random or completely based on how much I agree with them
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Post Post #857 (isolation #79) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:43 am

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Wait Ginngie do you really think fire/mulch would go with that strategy here

With you and implosion in the game
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Post Post #860 (isolation #80) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:45 am

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I could 100% believe Ginngie would believe that about 3 months ago, mulch

But right now it would practically be gamethrowing for you and Firebringer to do that as scum together
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Post Post #865 (isolation #81) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:50 am

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Ginngie my thing is that like
There are reasons both fire and mulch are town imo
So to me obviously they're not scum together
It seems like such an arbitrary read to make to rule out that specific scumteam
When the logic was straight up wrong

Like accidental overexplanation
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Post Post #867 (isolation #82) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:50 am

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OK see that's a good point but it's not the one you led with
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Post Post #869 (isolation #83) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:51 am

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Inb4 Ginngie wins rising star
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Post Post #873 (isolation #84) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:57 am

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Fuck you mulch

That's basically the pool I was gonna post when I get to a computer

Drop out parama and bollards and add in Maria, implosion, and mastina (2/3 on policy)
And that's my pool yeah
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Post Post #874 (isolation #85) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:58 am

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In post 873, Mathdino wrote:Drop out parama and bollards
...
Bbmolla
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Post Post #876 (isolation #86) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:59 am

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In post 872, Mulch wrote:MariaR, kuuhaku, Firebringer, and Implosion are also solid meta town treads.
Pls give intel on Maria/implosion meta thanks
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Post Post #878 (isolation #87) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:00 am

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I may or may not have coded a version for alisae in sitechat in which you can blacklist as many players as you want
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Post Post #886 (isolation #88) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:05 am

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In post 882, northsidegal wrote:
In post 878, Mathdino wrote:I may or may not have coded a version for alisae in sitechat in which you can blacklist as many players as you want
i disagree with that sort of usage, but whatever i guess.
Gotta get those points with the mod yknow

Also as much as I hate to say it, I basically share kianas reasons for townreading Bbmolla
He comes across as very lynchbaity, uncoached

I'm honestly surprised that you're not just taking me for my word on kiana
Although I guess you never really did like to sheep me lol
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Post Post #887 (isolation #89) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:05 am

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In post 885, Mulch wrote:I feel like we're going to be just bullshitting this day because I already basically know whose the day 1 lynch XD
Is this the thing that we get to talk about in about 24 hours
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Post Post #889 (isolation #90) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:07 am

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That's what I'm talking about mulch

Shit you have no idea what i mean do you
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Post Post #900 (isolation #91) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:10 am

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In post 898, xRECKONERx wrote:I was doing a bit where we were all boarding a train to a fictional place called Lynchtown
:lol:

fwiw i did not get the bit reck
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Post Post #907 (isolation #92) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:01 pm

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Fire that sounds like an interesting proposition!

Tell me more about this mastina wagon you speak of!

Will it solve my problems?
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Post Post #911 (isolation #93) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:11 pm

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In post 908, Firebringer wrote:You haven’t heard?!?!?!?

You are in for a treat.

Because the mastina wagon will solve so many possible problems I don’t see how you wouldn’t want to be apart of this movement.

The mastina wagon will cure insomnia, no need to be awake worried about wall posts appearing in your game when the wall poster is dead

Mastina wagon cures impotence, just joining ensures you will get your motor going whenever you need it.


Mastina wagon cures balding those who don’t join it often feel their hair fall out. Highly recommend if you care about your hair

And so much more!!!

Join now
Wow! That certainly sounds exciting.

But I still have a few questions! If the mastina wagon were so great, why doesn't everyone know about it?

What kinds of people wouldn't want to join the mastina wagon?
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Post Post #950 (isolation #94) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:47 pm

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the last time i dreamed about mafia was when i rolled scum in RC's large tbh
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Post Post #980 (isolation #95) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:07 pm

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In post 977, xRECKONERx wrote:
In post 948, mastina wrote:(But seriously tho. I'll be arting for the rest of the night. I got the urge to draw that and I just couldn't resist. I might do more if inspiration hits me.)
Image happy Image 4 Image u Image
ugh i quoted this post to talk about emoji but i have been bamboozled by 4 images in a row
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Post Post #982 (isolation #96) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:09 pm

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In post 972, northsidegal wrote:
In post 954, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I really don't feel good about Maria, tbh.

Mulch is probably town, but honestly this town would win more frequently if he was dead (Firebringer if you're actually a vig, that's a positive EV shot. Who knows, sometimes maybe I'm wrong and they actually are scum).

Mathdino feels like scum, Reck is 100% town.

DGB is being elusive as always. Just come back to her in two days, and if none of her reads from day 1 are even remotely close to right kill her.

Firebringer, NSG both get to live a day for virtue of claims if nothing else. Also think FB is just town, but am less sure on NSG. See: my post regarding their miller claim.

Mastina/Ginngie is a distraction I will lynch into if for no other reason than it removes things for scum to hide behind and just tunnel random other people without much consequence. I'll be honest I'm just too lazy to even want to parse either one of them. The whole meta relationship thing is just so stupid.

Implosion is weird, having weird feelings about him. He's high on the EV list of Pine draft picks and low on the EV list of Alisae draft picks, and his posts aren't really filling me with good feelings.

That's about all I'm really in the mood to think about tonight, Wrestlemania blew chunks.
i don't really like this post.

like, looking at it, how many reads does it
actually
contain – i feel like the dbg, firebringer, nsg, mastina and ginngie reads all don't really say anything. that leaves maria, mulch, mathdino, reck and implosion.

i don't know, i guess i'm doubting myself on this point. it just seems to me like there isn't really a whole ton of content behind the reads that are left – like there's a lot of talking just for the sake of talking. i think the comment on implosion is kind of a good example. just "weird feelings" and not "good feelings", along with a comment about the draft EV that seems like it could apply to a lot of people.

maybe what i'm looking at isn't actually scum-indicative.
i'm pretty sure i don't need to say this but claim + non-random alignments + early play + this post alone make NSG 100% town

@Mods: Can we talk about Team Mafia yet?
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Post Post #984 (isolation #97) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:11 pm

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just on edge lately
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Post Post #988 (isolation #98) » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:41 pm

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Post Post #999 (isolation #99) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:27 am

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I'll donate the hat in my avatar to the raffle
I will literally change my avatar to hatless if mastina gets lynched
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Post Post #1014 (isolation #100) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:49 am

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on a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you want to read mastina's 30 page catchup

her reads are bad, she's more EV for scum than town

literally read her first 5 posts in this thread for an actually solid argument for why lynching mastina is the right call

also i don't think self-voting gambit ONLY comes from scum, not by any means. but in a bayesian sense i think it's MORE LIKELY to come from her scum-mind than her town-mind
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Post Post #1015 (isolation #101) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:51 am

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also i mean it's at the point where this is just a high information wagon

i am solidly in the camp of D1 policy lynch --> sheep ellibereth next 4 days
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Post Post #1017 (isolation #102) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:13 am

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In post 349, Ginngie wrote:VOTE: MathDino

start forming scumreads
your strategy is literally "who town who left" gimme a break ginngie

also in case it wasn't hilariously obvious,
In post 89, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Also, how many of these fucking "pick a player to be X alignment" games do I need to play and then FLIP TOWN IN before people realize that no one is ever going to pick me to be scum in these games. Humans are naturally risk averse.

Additionally, I think Alisae is the kind of person who would draft me to keep me from being drafted as scum.
this post is the exact kind of argument from team mafia, and is what i've been scumreading all game
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Post Post #1020 (isolation #103) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 6:39 am

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ugh reckoner i'm so sorry

i tried to force guiltylion to post that copypasta but with scumastina replaced with scumlion

but then the fuckers of that town quicklynched him before he could get online to post it at L-1
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Post Post #1027 (isolation #104) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:18 am

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In post 1022, northsidegal wrote:
her reads are bad, she's more EV for scum than town
that's not a reason why she's scum, i'm pretty sure it's also not something that i should be going off of given that we don't have any flips yet

what reads does she have specifically that you think are bad?
BoP is entirely valid for players who throw their weight around this much.

She's scumreading me off of shit reasons (It doesn't even look like she believes this push, reminds me of her pushes in Inventions more than derptunnel Earthbound town mastina), and has Parama as a scumlean. The rest of her reads are more or less universal.
In post 1022, northsidegal wrote:
literally read her first 5 posts in this thread for an actually solid argument for why lynching mastina is the right call
summarize it for me, pelase
Are you actually looking to be convinced here?
- Alignment choice
- Long history with Pine, their schools of scumplay are near identical (Pine and I literally discussed this the day he came back from hiatus)
- Not as strong town. Alisae would only really draft her for her ability to read specific players or to rob her from Pine. But Pine got first pick.
- All these combined with mastina's tendency to utterly blow up the day and make everything about her as either alignment means letting her live to LyLo is a horrible idea, and she's by her own admission probably not getting NK'd.
- mastina scum probably hardclears Chara. mastina town means we can sheep the strong townreads on players she can read 100%.

i literally stole most of these arguments from mastina, you can read, NSG
In post 1022, northsidegal wrote:
also i don't think self-voting gambit ONLY comes from scum, not by any means. but in a bayesian sense i think it's MORE LIKELY to come from her scum-mind than her town-mind
okay, why?

like, it really seems like people just
want
to lynch mastina moreso than they actually have reasons that she's scum.
When a player does wacky shit as both alignments to hide behind their town meta as scum, I actually think that wacky shit shifts things slightly in scum indicativeness.

As town, they do it to keep up this image of themselves. Or they just do it because they're idiotic, and lynching those is fine too.

As scum, they do it because it's pro-scum and they can get away with it by saying "I would totally do this as town".

But they don't ALWAYS do it as town, because they're not actually incentivised to by their wincon. They do it enough as town to keep up that meta, and then deploy that shit as scum. There's a particular "I like scum more than I like town" player that I have in mind regarding that.

Point is, my profile on mastina is that she would do it as town I guess for the memery, but not always, and not even necessarily the majority of times. I think that's a tactic she saves for a perceived important scumgame.
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Post Post #1038 (isolation #105) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:04 am

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what the fuck

i was literally laughing with the mod behind the scenes after i died that your plan was literally the only play that would result in a town loss

my experience with you ginngie was

RC's game: you basically being useless most of the game and getting in constant TvT fights

Ether's game: YOU FUCKING FAKED A GUILTY ON THE MOST CONFTOWN SLOT IN THE GAME
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Post Post #1039 (isolation #106) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:05 am

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i am actually shocked that you're analysing me through the lens of "mathdino should respect me more"

give me a break

you are the 15th person i respected most from ether's game
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Post Post #1046 (isolation #107) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:13 am

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LLD you're arguing that people are risk averse

are you basically saying everyone other than you is risk averse

Edit: ginngie at what point in the dead thread did it look like i respected your fake guilty

i said i would've considered that read, not that i would've blown through
- alignment choice
- toranaga meta
- toranaga being spewed town by lang buddha
- toranaga generally playing like town

all for that one "hmm a50 seems like he knows too much about another game" point when a50 is just a crazy fuck anyway

the only person who i've talked to that has had good things to say about you is mastina

but mastina literally taught you mafia so what the fuck do i know

you were a laughingstock after team mafia dude
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Post Post #1048 (isolation #108) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:14 am

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In post 1045, Ginngie wrote:
In post 1041, Mulch wrote:Ginnigie, did you say to me “stop acting like I’m so good”, and now are telling math “respect me more?”

Or am I missing something
You expect me to have high caliber analysis, Math is literally saying I’m the worst which is not true

I’m somewhere in the middle and will defend that
when did i say you were the worst

you voted me for not having scumreads when your entire strategy in games is "who town who left"

i never argued PoE was bad, i'm saying you telling me to start getting some scumreads is some rich shit from someone who brags about sheeping in all their games
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Post Post #1050 (isolation #109) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:15 am

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look i don't think your reads are horrible

i don't respect you at all since the fake guilty, but that's not reads based

the point i was making is that you seem to be shitting on me for using PoE this game and that makes 0 sense coming from you
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Post Post #1053 (isolation #110) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:17 am

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i don't respect fake guilties on town.
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Post Post #1059 (isolation #111) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:22 am

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ginngie if you're gonna get in my face about how much i should respect your play and you're reading me based on that then yeah i'm gonna be honest about how i felt after that

when i told you your strategy ingames is usually "who town who left" i wasn't even criticising that

but you instantly took it as me calling you shit at mafia when i really meant "i consider PoE to be the strongest method, i know you do to, i don't need strong scumreads if i can sort half the playerlist as town and lynch the remaining"

then it becomes this whole thing about how i played with you before and town-me should respect your reads more because of that?

uh
no
just no
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Post Post #1061 (isolation #112) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:22 am

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In post 1032, Ginngie wrote:
In post 1017, Mathdino wrote:
In post 349, Ginngie wrote:VOTE: MathDino

start forming scumreads
your strategy is literally "who town who left" gimme a break ginngie

also in case it wasn't hilariously obvious,
In post 89, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Also, how many of these fucking "pick a player to be X alignment" games do I need to play and then FLIP TOWN IN before people realize that no one is ever going to pick me to be scum in these games. Humans are naturally risk averse.

Additionally, I think Alisae is the kind of person who would draft me to keep me from being drafted as scum.
this post is the exact kind of argument from team mafia, and is what i've been scumreading all game
That’s cute for you to criticize given the only game we’ve played together I completely rekt the scum team but okay
this is where the exchange started

I WAS NOT CRITICISING YOU HERE

THIS IS LITERALLY AN ARGUMENT YOU FUCKING STARTED
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Post Post #1062 (isolation #113) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:23 am

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holy shit if you find a summation of your playstyle to be critical then you should change your damn playstyle dude
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Post Post #1066 (isolation #114) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:25 am

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i literally wrote in my wiki that PoE is the 2nd most powerful tool in scumhunting right below literal confscum by mechanics

i feel like you're purposefully trying to take what i'm saying as critical here
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Post Post #1071 (isolation #115) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:28 am

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again.

if you're going to get in my face and tell me that i should respect you more because you "rekt the scumteam" in that game

i'm going to tell you what my perspective was

RC's game involved 3 scum dying by D2

one was creature
one was lolvigged after one post
one scumclaimed in thread
you managed to mislynch enough people down to the point where it was impossible for scum to lose
and those were my thoughts after i died in that game.

so to read me
based on the assumption
that i should respect you for tearing my scumteam apart
is incredibly flawed
and you should get a grip

i have an ego, everyone knows i have an ego
that doesn't mean i demand that other people respect me
to the point where i read people
based on how much they seem to respect me
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Post Post #1074 (isolation #116) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:31 am

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if you can't handle me saying "your strategy is who town who left" (a statement that is not critical)
you should not be playing mafia, and the replace-out makes sense
but yeah i'll do other shit
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Post Post #1079 (isolation #117) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:34 am

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1. YOU CANT HANDLE BEING CALLED USELESS IN A GAME OF MAFIA? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

2. YOU CANT HANDLE THE BLOWBACK FROM FAKE GUILTIES, DONT FAKE GUILTIES

3. YES, YOU WERE A MEME AFTER THE GUILTY FAKE
YOU ACCUSED ME OF DOWNPLAYING WHAT SHOULD BE THIS GRAND RESPECT FOR YOU
I AM RESPONDING WITH MY REALISTIC APPRAISAL OF THOSE GAMES

4. NO ONE TALKS ABOUT YOU, IM SAYING THAT THE MAIN SOURCE OF GOOD THINGS ABOUT YOU IS MASTINA
OTHERWISE I LITERALLY DID NOT KNOW WHO YOU WERE BEFORE RC'S GAME
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Post Post #1081 (isolation #118) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:36 am

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jesus christ ginngie i am not attacking you as a person i have only ever been attacking your play

this shit is written into the rules of mafia

and yet despite all that you're here fucking calling me a cunt and framing me as the bad guy in every way
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Post Post #1084 (isolation #119) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:37 am

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i did not get personal.

this got personal.

i am not okay with that.
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Post Post #1088 (isolation #120) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:38 am

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laugh·ing·stock
A person subjected to general mockery or ridicule.

this is literally an accurate assessment
people mocked your fake guilty
not you as a person
not you in other games
but the fact that you chose to fake a guilty on the most obvtown slot in the game
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Post Post #1089 (isolation #121) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:39 am

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how do you even play mafia ginngie
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Post Post #1094 (isolation #122) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:45 am

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see you know this shit is why i hate larges and themes

this never ever happens in the open queue

i'm going to actually laugh if me calling ginngie a laughingstock after she asks why i don't respect her

is moderated more harshly than ginngie calling me a cunt and a fuckwit

(and then i'm probably out)
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Post Post #1113 (isolation #123) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:58 am

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@Ginngie: i should not have blown up

have been on edge today

this seems to extend into me playing dumb or scum with anyone who scumreads me

sorry, and if you're town, i'll see how your scumreads progress
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Post Post #1117 (isolation #124) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:00 pm

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okay but realtalk parama is a horrible idea for a wagon
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Post Post #1132 (isolation #125) » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:10 pm

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In post 1131, Parama wrote:I thought this game could be fun but I forgot how much large games completely and totally blow
Yeah this
I feel like a mini is a better setting for chill games
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Post Post #1315 (isolation #126) » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:40 am

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mulch i have more time sensitive priorities than this game
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Post Post #1319 (isolation #127) » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:47 am

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In post 1318, Mulch wrote:I do Marián

Also math why are you on discord constantly then?
i'm pretty sure i shouldn't talk about it

but it is MS related
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Post Post #2906 (isolation #128) » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:31 pm

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Firsr
I didn't win

Thanks Kiana
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Post Post #2908 (isolation #129) » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:36 pm

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In post 2907, Scummies wrote:Condolences for no victors!

The game has drawn to a close, the jig is up! Nobody has won, but the memory of this game remains!
Tfw the scummies are an actual joke
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Post Post #2912 (isolation #130) » Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:42 pm

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Is k

There's a decent argument that no one but Aristophanes won this
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Post Post #2918 (isolation #131) » Mon Jun 04, 2018 3:13 am

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the scumteam's nightkills were really fucked up

why would you kill ellibereth when 3 of us were in his townlist :facepalm:
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