Open 724 - Pick Your Power X/Y [Endgame]

[Lalendra]

i picked 2 not because i actually wanted a power role but because i wanted to fuck over scum

i see that did not work unless janitor is scum

anyway, every game, someone asks "what if scum WIFOM'd the draft???"
and every game, it turns out that no, scum actually does want power roles, they did not WIFOM the draft and pick the same numbers
the only person in this game i think would do that is A50

so anyway

saske is town by the draft imo

scum possibilities:
Iconeum
Janitor
the worst
{Beefster, Taly}
Lalendra
{Ausuka, Lovebird, brass}
{Almost50, mutantdevle}
Ircher (going for that guaranteed PR)

wishful thinking says hitting scum in the bottom half of the bracket will confirm other townies
VOTE: Beefster

Edit: when i started typing this post i was the first one here
so jinx guys

Inclined to sheep you because you're always power-town and better at this game than I'll ever be
But curious - If you have Beefster/Taly in the same bracket in terms of probability of being scum, why did you choose one over the other?

[Lalendra]

if anyone claims vengeful, policy lynch them (this is optimal play)

why

[Lalendra]

I like Simyk's angles and analysis but goddamn are those posts hard to read

I admire your commitment and effort with the caps lock and ascii but I find myself skimming because it's hard to decipher

[Lalendra]

Actually nvm I'm getting used to it now

[Lalendra]

Pick Your Power X/Y Except The Mod Chooses Who The Mafia Are

(Not An Art Project)

Pick your power x/y except the x and y choose who chooses who the mod is who in turn chooses who the mafia are

Did these 2 games actually happen? If so, I'd appreciate being linked to them.

tell me you're not serious

[Lalendra]

okay SO for the RECORD in this PRESENT point in this PRESENT gamestate I do NOT want to present my vote into the Janitor wagon until we are PRESENTED with follow up to this ✧٩(•́⌄•́๑)

It bothers me more than it should that you capitalized PRESENT in all instances except one

[Lalendra]

Sorry guys, I forget to mark myself V/LA on weekends. I will catch up and make a more substantial post by this evening.

[Lalendra]

chronological catchups are bad and demotivational both for the player and for everyone else to have to watch, people should stop trying to be mastina

Sadly that's exactly what I'm doing but I'm trying to save my thoughts to the end to avoid redundancy

[Lalendra]

That’s super irrelevant; when did you think I thought MathDino was MathBlade?

When you called him MathBlade?

DEAD

[Lalendra]

That’s super irrelevant; when did you think I thought MathDino was MathBlade?

VOTE: Ircher

You've been tingling my scum sensors ever since your second post but I decided not to vote you because I wanted to see where the janitor wagon would go.

This post bothers me because it reacts to brass' comment as though it was supposed to be game solving. Furthermore, the question here is phrased in a way that tries to appear like its game solving itself. Honestly, this just feels like scum trying to look busy.

Add that to how Ircher seems intent on shutting down any form of setup spec and seems to focus too much on other people's reads (in my opinion) and judge them based on that. That makes me comfortable with this vote.

I am inclined to agree with everything Mutant says here but holding off on voting til I finish catching up.

[Lalendra]

I can read Ircher well and I think this is his scumgame. The way I read Ircher is simple; he has an unique personality as town, which he doesn't really emulate as scum; additionally, as town he is generally a good player who makes sense and has good reads but can do odd things; as scum, he is often quite nickpicky and flat. I think this game shows the latter. (Although now that I've said this I probably can't use it in future games with him... oh well)

VOTE: Ircher

This is really helpful and definitely reinforces my Ircher scumlean.

Holy shit <post>429</post> sucks to read.

...You literally posted an entire wall (much of which was "fair enough, null") and then two posts later everyone is either null or neutral (not sure I understand the need to separate those) except you (shocking) and one person whose "posts continue to not really be good". That's it?

tl;dr of ircher's reads list: i am going to summarise why 80% of the posts in this game are null and then give a reads list in which 80% of the players are null

Aaaaaand Math beats me to it, as usual.

I think mutant has been more 'conventionally' towny tonally this game than he usually seems??

That's actually part of the reason I'm having trouble sorting him, usually when we play he is town and I'm convinced he's scum. The fact that he's acting towny gives me more pause than if I was certain he was scum.

How do you deduce percentages of someone being scum FROM RANDOMIZED NUMBERS?

The numbers aren't randomized at all, the art of picking numbers is half of the strategy in this setup for both scum and town.

Nevermind, apparently Math already explained that.

Up to page 23

[Lalendra]

I'm sorry, can you mindread people and why they'd pick numbers they did for the draft?

There is a comically large difference between "the numbers are randomized" and "the numbers were carefully chosen by individual players in accordance with logic I'm just not privy to."

to my great disappointment, i just came up for air from the metadive and i think taly might have to be town

FWIW, when I played with Taly before and they posted walls that irritated me on-sight, they were town.

Not Voting: The only one not voting that I'm actually townreading is Taly. Lalendra's ISO goes so far beyond "lynchbaity Lalendra" into the realm of "I am actively not doing anything this game".

This is a busy month for me, plus I had rehearsals Friday night and all day Saturday. I'm gonna try to make up for it now though \o/

Ausuka's <post>568</post> is super waffly in terms of a read on Ircher. I've never seen someone flip-flop that much on one person in one post.

Setup spec is not intrinsicly scummy; however, doing it exclusively IS for multiple reasons

I am still not seeing why people are accusing Math of doing ONLY setup spec. Like, in the first couple of pages, sure. Things have changed a lot since then. And in contrast with Mutant, I actually do think this is town!Math.

Math's <post>621</post> is pure art. I'm not even going to respond to the wagon on me and all the back-and-forth because it was based on RVS posting and my absence since then, which I already explained.

pedit: wait I did NOT notice that ircher was voting Lalendra ｢(ﾟﾍﾟ)

That's cuz the mod made a mistake... Is there an issue with that?

Weirdly defensive

I still currently prefer Lalendra despite having a greater scumread on The Janitor, primarily because again, they have been wagoned basically the entire game, and the Janitor wagon had no real counter at its peak.

Weird, the only other person in danger of being lynched today, besides me, prefers that I be the one to be lynched. CRAZY

Up to 36

[Lalendra]

Comfortable with this for now

<vote>Ircher</vote>

[Lalendra]

jfc why. HTML, you done me wrong

VOTE: Ircher

[Lalendra]

LALEN is the best choice

Ducklings are so cute, why do you hate me

[Lalendra]

Lalendra;

1)

What makes you comfortable with the

Ircher

vote?

2)

What do you think about the wagon that was on you?

3)

General readslist?

1) I already outlined all my reasons in my catch-up posts.
2) I also addressed this, but since more has happened, I'll say this: I'm not understanding ducky's tunneling on me, most of the other votes were because of lack of activity (NAI) and tone (my tone is inconsistent af, it depends entirely on my mood and not at all on my alignment). It's horseshit.
3) I'll post a readslist after this.

And in contrast with Mutant, I actually do think this is town!Math.

Can you clarify on what you mean by this?

I believe that Math's behavior this game is consistent with his town meta, unlike Mutant who feels that it isn't.

13. In 1079:

...You literally posted an entire wall (much of which was "fair enough, null") and then two posts later everyone is either null or neutral (not sure I understand the need to separate those) except you (shocking) and one person whose "posts continue to not really be good". That's it?

First of all

, you do realize that the "notes" and the reads go hand-in-hand?
Second of all, did you try reading the second spoiler about how to read the reads list? You would know I separate Neutral and Null and while you may not agree with how I separate them, you should treat my neutral reads as more/less serious reads. (In other words, saying everyone is either null or neutral is a meaningless statement as the neutral reads aren't really a "no read" or even a "very weak read" thing; it just has to do with the level of confidence. Again, you don't have to agree with the system, but please try to acknowledge it.)

I wasn't saying that neutral and null meant the same thing in your readslist, I understand that they don't. I'm saying I don't understand the need to separate them. In that it seems nitpicky. Essentially yes, I understand the system you're using, I just don't agree with it. We're saying the same thing.

Kinda eddie I think?

I am desperate to see the Lalen flip like. My sanity this game is starting to hinge on it

You may want to start at least considering an AU in which you believe I'm town and exploring how that would inform your gameplay because if I flip, you're going to need to start somewhere.

[Lalendra]

she benefits from it more often when she's town lol

i wouldn't call her scumgame especially top tier

okay FIRST OF ALL
you played one game with me as scum and you broke the goddamn setup within HOURS, thereby demotivating and demoralizing the entire scumteam and I had to do everything ALL BY MYSELF
so
this is hurtful

[Lalendra]

And yeah, the self-meta in my sig is something that would help me as scum. But since I never roll scum (which sucks because I love it) it's mostly just there to say "anything you're thinking about me based on my tone, interactions, reads, or anything else is less likely because I'm scum and more likely because you don't like my playstyle."

[Lalendra]

she benefits from it more often when she's town lol

i wouldn't call her scumgame especially top tier

okay FIRST OF ALL
you played one game with me as scum and you broke the goddamn setup within HOURS, thereby demotivating and demoralizing the entire scumteam and I had to do everything ALL BY MYSELF
so
this is hurtful

So the message of your post here is that you're better at scum than math thinks?

It wasn't a super serious post.

[Lalendra]

The fact she is actively trying to play a nullgame has me really wound up

How am I doing that? I'm not even sure what this means tbh

[Lalendra]

And yes, there is a good reason to separate them: a null read indicates generally no read or a very conflicted read; a neutral read is a mixed read, but it is not a conflicted read; there is generally a clear leaning toward town or scum in a neutral read, just not a very confident one.

Ok, that seems to be the issue here then. You say "neutral" when I would say "town/scum lean." This makes more sense now.

[Lalendra]

if it wasn't super serious, why does it have a harsh tone to it?

Because my humor is very sarcastic and when I say something harsh, 98% of the time it's in jest.

[Lalendra]

Lalendra, do you offer yourself up as tribute?

Nope

[Lalendra]

Lalendra, do you offer yourself up as tribute?

Nope

[Lalendra]

Lalendra, do you offer yourself up as tribute?

Still nope

[Lalendra]

Lalendra;

1)

What makes you comfortable with the

Ircher

vote?

1) I already outlined all my reasons in my catch-up posts.

Would you care to quote yourself and hilight those reasons?
When I read your catch-up posts, I don't see you saying much about Ircher at all.

Here you go.

That’s super irrelevant; when did you think I thought MathDino was MathBlade?

VOTE: Ircher

You've been tingling my scum sensors ever since your second post but I decided not to vote you because I wanted to see where the janitor wagon would go.

This post bothers me because it reacts to brass' comment as though it was supposed to be game solving. Furthermore, the question here is phrased in a way that tries to appear like its game solving itself. Honestly, this just feels like scum trying to look busy.

Add that to how Ircher seems intent on shutting down any form of setup spec and seems to focus too much on other people's reads (in my opinion) and judge them based on that. That makes me comfortable with this vote.

I am inclined to agree with everything Mutant says here but holding off on voting til I finish catching up.

I can read Ircher well and I think this is his scumgame. The way I read Ircher is simple; he has an unique personality as town, which he doesn't really emulate as scum; additionally, as town he is generally a good player who makes sense and has good reads but can do odd things; as scum, he is often quite nickpicky and flat. I think this game shows the latter. (Although now that I've said this I probably can't use it in future games with him... oh well)

VOTE: Ircher

This is really helpful and definitely reinforces my Ircher scumlean.

Holy shit <post>429</post> sucks to read.

...You literally posted an entire wall (much of which was "fair enough, null") and then two posts later everyone is either null or neutral (not sure I understand the need to separate those) except you (shocking) and one person whose "posts continue to not really be good". That's it?

tl;dr of ircher's reads list: i am going to summarise why 80% of the posts in this game are null and then give a reads list in which 80% of the players are null

Aaaaaand Math beats me to it, as usual.

Setup spec is not intrinsicly scummy; however, doing it exclusively IS for multiple reasons

I am still not seeing why people are accusing Math of doing ONLY setup spec. Like, in the first couple of pages, sure. Things have changed a lot since then. And in contrast with Mutant, I actually do think this is town!Math.

pedit: wait I did NOT notice that ircher was voting Lalendra ｢(ﾟﾍﾟ)

That's cuz the mod made a mistake... Is there an issue with that?

Weirdly defensive

I still currently prefer Lalendra despite having a greater scumread on The Janitor, primarily because again, they have been wagoned basically the entire game, and the Janitor wagon had no real counter at its peak.

Weird, the only other person in danger of being lynched today, besides me, prefers that I be the one to be lynched. CRAZY

[Lalendra]

Current readslist, since multiple people have asked:

Town:
Mathdino - His play is a little different than what I am used to here, but I think it's largely due to him not being super confident on who's scum. Usually he picks someone and runs them over like a truck, and while he's not doing that here, it still strikes me as town!Math.
Mutantdevle - Feeling pretty confident in town!Mutant here, largely because I agree with his reasoning and like the way he is presenting his thoughts. Seems like he's actively trying to gamesolve.
Simyk - I don't have any meta experience with Simyk, but they seem invested in gamesolving, are trying to advance the gamestate, and their tone is very towny.

Townlean:
davesaz - I wasn't sure how I felt about A50 but davesaz has moved this slot from null to townlean for me. Not as confident as I am with the townbloc above, but good vibes.
Eddie Cane - Again, not confident enough to say town for certain, but good vibes.
Myloninja13 - There really hasn't been enough from this slot to say for certain, but I'm feeling town.
Iconeum - I like what I've seen from them but need to see more active participation.
Taly - This seems like town!Taly from my meta experience.

Null:
the worst - Honestly not sure about this slot, I want to say town but feel like I can't make an unbiased opinion. Their tunneling of me could be town-motivated but I'm not crazy about the reasoning behind it; then again, I could just be mad they're tunneling me. I can't be impartial enough to figure it out yet.
The Janitor - I don't hate their posting but I'm having trouble determining whether it's a playstyle thing or actual scumminess.
Lovebird - I can't make sense of this slot either way.

Scumlean:
Ausuka - Nothing I've seen from Ausuka has struck me as particularly towny, especially the waffling/soft defense of Ircher and the defensiveness in their tone.

Scum:
Ircher - For the reasons I outlined in my last few posts.

[Lalendra]

I'm sorry, I just really don't have the energy right now to go through and highlight things. If I say "I agree with everything this person said," then what that person said are my reasons in that post. I don't really know what else you want.

I'm not trying to be grumpy I just really don't feel well so maybe I'll just come back to the thread when I'm in a better spot.

[Lalendra]

I'm also getting frustrated at this point because people are pushing my lynch without good reasons (in my opinion) and not being satisfied with anything I say, so I don't see the point in engaging.

[Lalendra]

lalendra, do you think theres any major differences in your alignments?

Whose alignments?

[Lalendra]

15. In 1081:

Ausuka's 568 is super waffly in terms of a read on Ircher. I've never seen someone flip-flop that much on one person in one post.

I disagree significantly. Out of context, yes. Did you factor in Ausuka's meta experience before making this statement?

@Lalendra

: Did you factor this into your Ausuka read?

I think I already mentioned that I don't have any meta with Ausuka. Regardless, I still find it strange. I'm not really sure how someone can write a post and change their mind multiple times within that post with regard to a single slot. It seemed wishy-washy and as though she was leaving room to read you either way post-flip. So the short answer is no, I didn't factor in meta because I don't have any to speak of, and maybe it is a playstyle thing, but it seems very off to me and not towny.

[Lalendra]

LOL@Mutant.

Taly, I will respond to your questions later when I'm not phone-posting.

[Lalendra]

lalendra, do you think theres any major differences in your alignments?

Whose alignments?

your town and scum game

I have much less scum experience so I tend to be pretty aggressive and tunnel on people moreso than I do as town.

[Lalendra]

Spoiler: Lalendra ISO + Q's

222 to 224 does not seem really interesting much at all, I like the question for why we should lynch vengeful; but I'm pretty sure vengeful would be better served as a scum utility than a town who could use a vig.

That’s super irrelevant; when did you think I thought MathDino was MathBlade?

VOTE: Ircher

You've been tingling my scum sensors ever since your second post but I decided not to vote you because I wanted to see where the janitor wagon would go.

This post bothers me because it reacts to brass' comment as though it was supposed to be game solving. Furthermore, the question here is phrased in a way that tries to appear like its game solving itself. Honestly, this just feels like scum trying to look busy.

Add that to how Ircher seems intent on shutting down any form of setup spec and seems to focus too much on other people's reads (in my opinion) and judge them based on that. That makes me comfortable with this vote.

I am inclined to agree with everything Mutant says here but holding off on voting til I finish catching up.

Since you agree with

Mutant

((this question can also go to him))

on

Ircher's

earliest posts pinged you, what about it bothered you?

Also, what's odd about placing emphasis on other people's reads?

I can read Ircher well and I think this is his scumgame. The way I read Ircher is simple; he has an unique personality as town, which he doesn't really emulate as scum; additionally, as town he is generally a good player who makes sense and has good reads but can do odd things; as scum, he is often quite nickpicky and flat. I think this game shows the latter. (Although now that I've said this I probably can't use it in future games with him... oh well)

VOTE: Ircher

This is really helpful and definitely reinforces my Ircher scumlean.

Holy shit <post>429</post> sucks to read.

...You literally posted an entire wall (much of which was "fair enough, null") and then two posts later everyone is either null or neutral (not sure I understand the need to separate those) except you (shocking) and one person whose "posts continue to not really be good". That's it?

I like the independent assessment here and I'm getting a better idea of

Lalendra's

viewpoint, she's asserting some of her own thinking beyond her agreeing with

Mutant

and

Math

.

I'm sorry, can you mindread people and why they'd pick numbers they did for the draft?

There is a comically large difference between "the numbers are randomized" and "the numbers were carefully chosen by individual players in accordance with logic I'm just not privy to."

I just don't think it makes a lot of sense; anybody regardless of alignment could actively work toward getting a PR because it benefits their alignment.

I get that repeated numbers are probably not going to come from scum, but I don't see the draft being a strong way to discern someone's alignment without solid flip information.

to my great disappointment, i just came up for air from the metadive and i think taly might have to be town

FWIW, when I played with Taly before and they posted walls that irritated me on-sight, they were town.

Elabroate on that? rhsfjeakjnsjfeasersjfkawnd

Not Voting: The only one not voting that I'm actually townreading is Taly. Lalendra's ISO goes so far beyond "lynchbaity Lalendra" into the realm of "I am actively not doing anything this game".

This is a busy month for me, plus I had rehearsals Friday night and all day Saturday. I'm gonna try to make up for it now though \o/

Ausuka's <post>568</post> is super waffly in terms of a read on Ircher. I've never seen someone flip-flop that much on one person in one post.

Do you feel there's an associative between

Ircher

and

Ausuka

?

And yeah, the self-meta in my sig is something that would help me as scum. But since I never roll scum (which sucks because I love it) it's mostly just there to say "anything you're thinking about me based on my tone, interactions, reads, or anything else is less likely because I'm scum and more likely because you don't like my playstyle."

I sympathize with this, but that's not the full reason behind my push on you.

A lot of your posting and responses don't feel very strong in one direction or another; you agree with other people's stances in regards to Ircher, and while you do state your reasons for your read there, and your reads, a lot of your posts seem like fluff.

1274 and 1275 are examples, above the other posts I've already linked about in this ISO dig.

And yes, there is a good reason to separate them: a null read indicates generally no read or a very conflicted read; a neutral read is a mixed read, but it is not a conflicted read; there is generally a clear leaning toward town or scum in a neutral read, just not a very confident one.

Ok, that seems to be the issue here then. You say "neutral" when I would say "town/scum lean." This makes more sense now.

OK yeah, this cleared up some things for me as well when reading

Ircher's

explanation here.

Does that change your thinking on him?

Current readslist, since multiple people have asked:

Town:
Mathdino - His play is a little different than what I am used to here, but I think it's largely due to him not being super confident on who's scum. Usually he picks someone and runs them over like a truck, and while he's not doing that here, it still strikes me as town!Math.
Mutantdevle - Feeling pretty confident in town!Mutant here, largely because I agree with his reasoning and like the way he is presenting his thoughts. Seems like he's actively trying to gamesolve.
Simyk - I don't have any meta experience with Simyk, but they seem invested in gamesolving, are trying to advance the gamestate, and their tone is very towny.

Townlean:
davesaz - I wasn't sure how I felt about A50 but davesaz has moved this slot from null to townlean for me. Not as confident as I am with the townbloc above, but good vibes.
Eddie Cane - Again, not confident enough to say town for certain, but good vibes.
Myloninja13 - There really hasn't been enough from this slot to say for certain, but I'm feeling town.
Iconeum - I like what I've seen from them but need to see more active participation.
Taly - This seems like town!Taly from my meta experience.

Null:
the worst - Honestly not sure about this slot, I want to say town but feel like I can't make an unbiased opinion. Their tunneling of me could be town-motivated but I'm not crazy about the reasoning behind it; then again, I could just be mad they're tunneling me. I can't be impartial enough to figure it out yet.
The Janitor - I don't hate their posting but I'm having trouble determining whether it's a playstyle thing or actual scumminess.
Lovebird - I can't make sense of this slot either way.

Scumlean:
Ausuka - Nothing I've seen from Ausuka has struck me as particularly towny, especially the waffling/soft defense of Ircher and the defensiveness in their tone.

Scum:
Ircher - For the reasons I outlined in my last few posts.

Ehhh... just like a lot of people, there's not a lot of scumreads at the moment.

It is good that you made the readslist, it's helping progress the gamestate as I feel like it's slowing down a bit.

I didn't like that he was so against setup speccing. It didn't make sense, from a town perspective, to try to shut down any attempt at gamesolving. There's nothing inherently wrong with focusing on other people's reads, unless you are doing so to the exclusion of forming your own, which is what it seemed like he was doing.

I understand your point about the draft, however, it's really important to note that scum are not likely to pick duplicate numbers. You really can use the draft numbers to theorize about alignment because yes, while both alignments are trying to get power roles, scum are the only ones able to make a concerted effort not to step on one another's toes.

Re: your walls - your posts tend to be extremely lengthy and I have a hard time motivating myself to read them as a result. However, the one game I played with you before, you played the same way, so I don't think it's AI for you; it's just how you play.

Yes, I definitely see an associative between Ircher and Ausuka.

The explanation of his readslist doesn't really change my thinking, because a) I wasn't really basing my read on that to begin with and b) he still didn't have any strong reads, just nulls and leans. Not a problem in and of itself, but waffly, and not really that different from my original interpretation of a readslist that is largely useless.

[Lalendra]

Mathdino

mutantdevle

SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis

Ausuka

the worst

davesaz

Eddie Cane

Lalendra
Myloninja13
The Janitor

Lovebird

Iconeum
Taly

Ircher

Couldn't remember reasons for janitor town, same with mylo. Only taking out eddie and mutant because I think ausuka is scum.

...You're making reads without remembering why? And just coasting on that instead of taking new information into account?

[Lalendra]

Inclined to sheep you because you're always power-town and better at this game than I'll ever be
But curious - If you have Beefster/Taly in the same bracket in terms of probability of being scum, why did you choose one over the other?

Hardcore buddying/TMI vibes on Math if he's town. This is a response to POST ELEVEN.

Fluffposts like a mofo until

That’s super irrelevant; when did you think I thought MathDino was MathBlade?

VOTE: Ircher

You've been tingling my scum sensors ever since your second post but I decided not to vote you because I wanted to see where the janitor wagon would go.

This post bothers me because it reacts to brass' comment as though it was supposed to be game solving. Furthermore, the question here is phrased in a way that tries to appear like its game solving itself. Honestly, this just feels like scum trying to look busy.

Add that to how Ircher seems intent on shutting down any form of setup spec and seems to focus too much on other people's reads (in my opinion) and judge them based on that. That makes me comfortable with this vote.

I am inclined to agree with everything Mutant says here but holding off on voting til I finish catching up.

Needlessly self consciously sheeping the obvious consensus

Fluffs until catchup posts, catchup posts contain nothing but randomly sheeping popular opinion and stating random non analytical things about game state

Constant buddying of Math, constant "active lurking", super generic reads


Literally a badscum iso fmpov

The thing people seem to keep forgetting when harping on my fluffposting is that we were still within hours of the game starting. It exploded over the weekend and I did my best to catch up and contribute meaningful content at that point.

[Lalendra]

so reads list is bad bc it mega generically sheeps math/eddie/simyk/taly type townreads for the most part
highly overexplains itself with incredibly shallow reasoning
poe's ausuka and ircher as their only two scum reads which like

....

if anyone thinks ausuka and ircher are scum together let's throw down a bet rn

Didn't really pay attention to anyone else's scumreads when putting that together, I literally just went through the playerlist in the mod's OP and wrote down my thoughts.

[Lalendra]

No, Lovebird is being a dick. Or is scum pretending to be bad town. Would lynch in both cases.

The Ircher wagon clearly isn't going anywhere and I'm not a fan of Lovebird's recent posting at all. I agree that either they are bad town, or they're obvscum. Slightly torn because it seems like a too-scummy-to-be-scum situation, but this slot is a liability at the very least. Add to that that this is the only wagon that is currently rivaling mine and it's a no-brainer.

VOTE: Lovebird

[Lalendra]

VOTE: lalendra

Yes, let's cast anti-town votes just to exchange information. Ugh, this town deserves to lose.

[Lalendra]

Since I am at L-2, does the group want me to claim, or hold off?

[Lalendra]

I'm V/LA for the weekend so if y'all could not lunch me while I'm not here to defend myself, that'd be swell. I'll check in if I can but no promises.

[Lalendra]

Ok ircher can fuck off with the bolded caps, I'm claiming because math requested it and hadn't done so in response to ircher's previous requests for some weird reason...oh that's right, I was V/LA! Ha ha. Silly me.

Sorry my V/LA was inconvenient, it was for something that I do every single year, so...sorry not sorry? Also I have pneumonia and am tired of being called lynchbaity, bad, or a liability, so I'm done defending myself. Not gonna self-vote because it's a pussy move but if I die, Math will ride all your asses into the ground.

Town role cop. Planning on following maths plan if I live to N1.

[Lalendra]

the question is why role cop and not universal backup

i'm actually trying to wrap my brain around why scum would choose role cop in this setup tbh

scum have the advantage in PR hunting :/

I am unfamiliar with this setup so I messaged the mod requesting to be either role cop or universal backup, thinking that the mod was supposed to choose which of those roles you receive. I received the role cop.

[Lalendra]

Ok ircher can fuck off with the bolded caps, I'm claiming because math requested it and hadn't done so in response to ircher's previous requests for some weird reason...oh that's right, I was V/LA! Ha ha. Silly me.

Sorry my V/LA was inconvenient, it was for something that I do every single year, so...sorry not sorry? Also I have pneumonia and am tired of being called lynchbaity, bad, or a liability, so I'm done defending myself. Not gonna self-vote because it's a pussy move but if I die, Math will ride all your asses into the ground.

Town role cop. Planning on following maths plan if I live to N1.

Okay, I've been quite rude, but at the same time, you have to understand that deadline is right around the corner, and a good portion of the game is stalled waiting on said claim.

Sorry, not letting you make me feel guilty about real-life shit I had to deal with. And it's not my fault that the game is held up because they're so eager to lynch a town PR. I can't even give a shit right now because if I don't get lynched, I'm almost definitely going to get NK'd so fuck it

[Lalendra]

VOTE: Ausuka

L-2

[Lalendra]

Iconeum is the cop.

[Lalendra]

Math: There was no red flip, can you explain?
Eddie: Any reason for that vote?

p-edit: Makes sense

[Lalendra]

VOTE: Janitor

[Lalendra]

VOTE: Janitor

i will accept that this is a literal scumclaim

i would like to sic the n3 vig on lalendra actually

LOL welp, no point in playing anymore. What the mod said is wrong. I know what happened. I will literally show you my PM's after the game is over. I'm honestly bullshit that this is happening but whatever.

VOTE: Lalendra

[Lalendra]

My assumption was that scum wouldn't be idiotic enough to lie about where they got their role. Lalendra not good scum.

MAYBE BECAUSE I'M NOT FUCKING SCUM

[Lalendra]

Literally cannot wait for this flip

[Lalendra]

@mod - Why does your answer to the role question run counter to what you actually did in assigning my role??

[Lalendra]

Nope, not going out like that

VOTE: Janitor

[Lalendra]

Lalendra stop posting please thanks <3

sure, I'll stop reading too <3

[Lalendra]

Honestly, I'm really pissed and nothing I say is going to matter, so I'm not posting any more until I get an answer from the mod regarding why that answer is not consistent with what actually happened.

[Lalendra]

Lalendra, why did you out Iconeum-cop?

Because I rolecopped Iconeum according to Math's plan, and then he asked for results. So I shared them.

[Lalendra]

i mean i'm not going to break it apart because lalendra's confirmed scum but speaking of lalendra being confirmed scum lalendra's confirmed scum... you don't need to give a bunch of shit points to argue it

oh my god this is great

[Lalendra]

If everyone already knows you're cop, what pro-town reason could you have to not out your results

[Lalendra]

if his target was the commuter, he doesn't want to give them a chance to reactively claim commuter

as much as i want to see what he thought would be the best copcheck, he's making the right call

Ok that's fair, I trust you

[Lalendra]

Night Actions:
Iconeum copped ??? --> No result
I neighborized Taly --> Successful
Mathdino vigged Myloninja --> Successful
The Worst jailed ??? --> ???
Mafia killed The Worst --> Successful

You forgot me

[Lalendra]

also the scum pt (and myself since i wasnt here at the time) also strongly believes lalendra deserved better

<3

This game was awful lmfao. Good game tho scum, I had no idea up til the end who it might be.

[Lalendra]

Lalendra, I'm SO sorry for your stressful mislynch!! I NEVER bought the idea of you being confscum by the mod, and it made ZERO sense to me. I just parroted the thread to give you mislynched! Ily! <3

*squints at Taly*

...ok fine, ily2