Lynch the Wolves (Game Over)

[mastina]

Flavor

"I've decided to make a declaration."

"Oh?"

"I can't coexist with wolves, so I will take effort to eliminate them."

"Sounds fair."

"WOLF! I DEMAND YOUR DEATH!"

"...I recant my prior statement."

"Oh, guess I don't demand your death then."

Votecount 1-24 (024) Simple

Luna Nova - 7 (Aronis, RadiantCowbells, CheekyTeeky, hebichan, MathBlade, Almost50, HeWhoSwims)

TheGoldenParadox - 5 (northsidegal, Creature, Luna Nova, ArcAngel9, Vecna)

northsidegal - 1 (TheGoldenParadox)
Yuurei - 1 (Keychain)
Theta Alpine - 1 (Yuurei)

Not Voting - 3 (Ankamius, Archwing, Theta Alpine)

Mod Notes

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  
• mastina will generate a more advanced votecount if she has the capacity to give it. No promises!

[RadiantCowbells]

Spoiler: Theta regarding Luna

hey look the game actually started

i could get behind a lynch on luna
VOTE: luna nova

someone please explain the hebichan wagon

completely unexplained vote on Luna, where her vote stays literally the entire day until she decides to unvote when

ugh
UNVOTE:

i do think it is nai for radiant to do a fakeclaim like that
but it does make me doubt that luna is scum

as for who else might be scum i have no clue
although since definition is a hydra who somehow has not posted in a while even with

heads then i think that might actually be a good place to put my vote
VOTE: definition

random 'oh I suddently doubt that luna is scum because... RC fakeclaimed a guilty on her'

alright i think i might actually be able to read you so UNVOTE:

i do not agree with some of the reasoning for luna being scum
the imo thing for one is explained by the fact that luna is a hydra
as in that heads opinion

this explanation also makes literally no sense: it's not one head's opinion whether they're scum or not,

you know i just realized definition has been in one other game and it was a newbie

so
yeah not a hydra

and for actual content
the wagons on both tgp and luna are rather odd in how they developed

though the fact that there was a fake guilty on luna does explain part of that
also i think creature is literally just voting the counterwagon because it is the counterwagon

it is somewhat odd that even with 2 weeks left in the game we are kind of at the 2-wagon stage
i am a little worried that town just kind of failed to get any cohesion or agreement on anything and the fake guilty in the middle of that probably will not be something we could easily recover from

so
honestly we might as well end the day so at least we will have some sort of semblance of what is going on tomorrow
i do want to give ank a few days to read the game though
so i will give

intent to hammer

p-edit
well nevermind that then

gives intent on someone that they're not scumreading because 'oh we will deal with things tomorrow'
also the fuck did the fake guilty do that was anti town besides give reactions, I didn't like swing it through, feel like it's scum salty that their partner got caught for a 'bad reason'

with 18 people alive it was 9 to lynch
yuurei was the hammering vote

oh right, now that i thought about it, this could be some hammer gambit. sorry for ruining Theta.

however, do people fall for that trick though?

on evens its more likely to work since people confuse half to lynch and majority to lynch
ah well

luna is at l-1
do not hammer without giving intent and letting luna claim

and this feels like they knew that Luna had something to claim.

for their part Luna only brings up the theta slot once

Looking at the Golden Iso I don't see anything that points to them being scum. The anger feels genuine and the few votes they do have in the game I agree with. I think both of the top wagons are on town. If we're looking for a low poster lynch, why not Thea who is not doing anything the help the game state? The only vote they have in the game is on us (and I admit that is why I iso'd them) for the simple reason of us being an anon hydra; the rest of the posts are filler.

I'd like the gold voters to say why they would vote gold and not thea.

~Diana

Absolutely empty townread of golden + a random suggestion that they follow up on Theta whom they neither vote nor ever follow up on

tl;dr
Theta randomly votes Luna with no explanation, keeps the vote there until a wagon appears justifying the vote switch because my fake guilty makes them town, and then intents to hammer someone that they're supposedly townread with the explanation that town is just doing so bad because of the fake guilty

Luna only brings them up once in the game to say hey you should be pushing Theta over TGP but never actually follows up on it

We're lynching Luna, if they flip scum we are lynching Theta tomorrow 100% of the time.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm fairly sure TGP is spewed town by that interaction as well, it feels like white knighting

[RadiantCowbells]

Also if there's two neighbourizers I'm going to say that more often that not they are going to be 1T 1S with some additional effect tacked onto one.
So like the counterclaim doesn't necessarily make them scum but it makes it more likely.

Also Ursula head called me town because of my NSG read which as far as I remember I've said virtually nothing about in thread so it's basically coming down to RC was so scummy for all this stuff they did earlier but now he's townreading NSG so he's town? makes way more sense for that to be scum who got cold feet when I started hitting back.

[RadiantCowbells]

Finally, I don't think that a role called town neighbourizer exists in this setup for whatever reason.

[RadiantCowbells]

I did sorta townread the getting sad and leaving thread bit but given that one of the heads is a past don corleone winner I'm not putting that remotely past them and everything else is awful so hey!
if I'm wrong I'm wrong but I don't think that I am.

[MathBlade]

I shall be around the majority as my hydra partners are somewhat upset at the turn of events
Pedit: No. I suppose the correct term is human neighborizer but that is all
~Diana

Yeah I don’t believe this at all.

I am counter claiming. I believe you are hunting for me.

I am not

exactly

a human neighborizer but it’s close enough to yours to where I don’t buy it.

A human neighborizer would be a masonizer.

Will type something better up after work if and only if it’s needed.

This can die.

Why do you not believe similar roles can be in the same game? Why would mastina give us this role as scum if they thought it'd get us auto cc'd, think logically here Mathblade
~Diana

I shall be around the majority as my hydra partners are somewhat upset at the turn of events
Pedit: No. I suppose the correct term is human neighborizer but that is all
~Diana

Yeah I don’t believe this at all.

I am counter claiming. I believe you are hunting for me.

I am not

exactly

a human neighborizer but it’s close enough to yours to where I don’t buy it.

A human neighborizer would be a masonizer.

Will type something better up after work if and only if it’s needed.

This can die.

wait, how are you close to a human neighborizer but it's not a neighborizer yourself?

isn't that completely different?

it's a large theme and if it's not

exactly

the same role, i don't think that outing yourself for a

similar

role is of any use

i don't know the specifics but are you

sure

that it's valid as a counterclaim and it's not possible for you guys to

coexist

?

I am kinda a mix of neighborizer enabler/other power enabler/cooperator.

It’s like mastina gave me a role completely antithesis to how I operate. This role would be Titus’s dream. It’s kinda similar to the one game we hydra’d together and stomped scum with JaeReed and Postie sorta not. It’s like weird. Definitely give props to mastina for creativity. It’s definitely new. Like I don’t even know how to explain without fullclaiming. In my 10+ years of mafia I have never seen a role mechanic like this.

[MathBlade]

And before you ask I have no relation to enabling the Luna Nova hydra.

I am using the enabler as a description. Just this role omg.

[Luna Nova]

I did sorta townread the getting sad and leaving thread bit but given that one of the heads is a past don corleone winner

We are so badass!



RC I just don't think you'd want to drive a mislynch as scum day 1 with your reputation and think it's a good idea long term.
I could easily be wrong because I still don't like your early game at all and think you'd do a wide range of things as scum but yeah.

Ursula

[Luna Nova]

VOTE: HeWhoSwims

Ehh his vote was really fucking awful, I know I won't get his but I wanna send a message.

Ursula

[Luna Nova]

I haven't been mislynched in a really really long time even on alts.
I am actually pretty excited.
I am like a kid who is getting ready to open presents on Christmas morning.

Like the last time I was lynched was like over 1 year ago when town guilted me which hardly counts.

Ursula

[MathBlade]

Ursula do you maintain the human neighborizer claim?

I have a weird penchant to do that to people. I broke wiggles1993’s 1 year plus on MU. However I don’t want to break your record if you’re town.

[Luna Nova]

Okay yeah looking through the TGP iso I don't really see anything of worth.

Still agree the hydra's response was bad. And I find the reads in 423 to be really bad, mostly the only scumread on Beautiful and the townread on NSG. Also don't agree with the later note that "NSG doesn't care in scumgames". Not really a fan either of the last few posts in the ISO.

I almost had a heart attack seeing the hydra at 7 votes thinking it was a hammer. Guess I've played too many 13p games Anyway, I'm ready to VOTE: Luna Nova which should be L-2.

I still think you guys should look at this post though and see how bad it is.

Ursula

[Luna Nova]

Ursula do you maintain the human neighborizer claim?

I have a weird penchant to do that to people. I broke wiggles1993’s 1 year plus on MU. However I don’t want to break your record if you’re town.

Oh I don't care about my record tbh feel free to break it, this is a hydra anyway.
There is a special magic about complaining in the dead thread that I want to do

Something I believe you may not understand is we aren't a neighborizor that only works on humans.
We are a regular neighborizor that the race of human.
Nothing else to our role.

Ursula

[MathBlade]

Now that’s something that I could believe might exist. Masonizer no.

A regular neighborizer maaaaybe. That makes a lot more sense.

I want some time to think about this when I haven’t been up since like 6.

VOTE: Unvote

[Aronis]

So uhh Mathblade counterclaims vaguely then changed their mind about that counterclaim? And Mathblade enjoys mislynching town or something. Anyone wanna lynch Mathblade for these awful shenanigans?

[Aronis]

First a fake guilty and now this fake counterclaim. Y'all are trying way too hard to kill Luna nova

[Yuurei]

So uhh Mathblade counterclaims vaguely then changed their mind about that counterclaim? And Mathblade enjoys mislynching town or something. Anyone wanna lynch Mathblade for these awful shenanigans?

i don't think that it would be a good reason. the way that he jumped in the counterclaim thing seems to suggest that he was either indeed scum reading Luna or was too eager to force a possible mislynch. i find more likely to be the first case, and they probably aren't together as well.

VOTE: thegoldenparadox

i might as well join this wagon because after the claim thing, i might prefer a tgp lynch than a Luna lynch for today. and i'm not going to consider too much the next claims except for a few cases, because scum from now on could intentionally claim a weak power role hoping the same reaction i had of Luna's claim.

a Theta or hewhoswims wagon would still be more welcome though

[Luna Nova]

VOTE: HeWhoSwims

Ehh his vote was really fucking awful, I know I won't get his but I wanna send a message.

Ursula

I mean both wagons are fine but look at this shiny thing.

Ursula

[RadiantCowbells]

we're never lynching anyone besides luna or theta today.

[RadiantCowbells]

and when theta flips scum, presuming we lynch them first, treat that as a guilty on Luna.

idc what your independent read on the slot is.

[Yuurei]

VOTE: HeWhoSwims

Ehh his vote was really fucking awful, I know I won't get his but I wanna send a message.

Ursula

I mean both wagons are fine but look at this shiny thing.

Ursula

but it's only you voting him right?

if you start pushing him, makes the effort to case him and get some three votes there, i will totally get behind that

howeverrrr

start pushing his wagon by myself or only the two of us, sounds way too bothersome honestly, even more since i presumably would have to case it

i'm out for blood in a Theta wagon though and don't mind casing it because it's simply:

everything Theta has done is scummy. end of the topic.

VOTE: Theta

just come Luna, here's where the cool kids are supposed to be

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Theta

sure.

[mastina]

This might be a bit inaccurate, but.

[mastina]

I'll try a vc all the same.