Open 724 - Pick Your Power X/Y [Endgame]

[Eddie Cane]

i dont even understand what the above post means

[Eddie Cane]

i mean i'm not going to break it apart because lalendra's confirmed scum but speaking of lalendra being confirmed scum lalendra's confirmed scum... you don't need to give a bunch of shit points to argue it

[Eddie Cane]

conclusion: posting in

bold

does not equate to actually putting the effort into

reading the thread

[Eddie Cane]

2000
muck fods

[Eddie Cane]

do you not have anything to my meta read of mutant?

[Eddie Cane]

i haven't cased it and won't be because i cba

do you not value me saying he's probably my second strongest townread?

[Eddie Cane]

or we can lynch confirmed xcum and mass claim tomorrow ?

[Eddie Cane]

VT

[Eddie Cane]

Asking the mod what Brass submitted

[Eddie Cane]

know what?

I apparently went for Tracker

[Eddie Cane]

hurey UP boring frickers

[Eddie Cane]

how can a secret alt be scum off meta

[Eddie Cane]

because i finally figured out who the secret alt belongs to at the start of the day

and i know they're better than this

and if they were town, they would continue doing the things we were criticising them for on D1

rather than modifying their play to be more townread

do tell

[Eddie Cane]

also eddie we have a clear interest in removing any potential roleblockers so we can start getting cop results

there's no chance in hell that lalendra is a roleblocker -- the role cop claim is too ballsy and too easy to get counterclaimed

we also have a clear interest in removing conf scum from the game

[Eddie Cane]

but it's not a high chance, it's a 50% chance if janitor flips scum which is not a certainty in itself.

and I hope saske went watcher cause its underrated asf

[Eddie Cane]

LYNCH LALENDRA

[Eddie Cane]

you know we've probably won already and it's probably just iconeum/janitor/lalendra

would tie up the game pretty nicely

it's a POSSIBLE solve

you know what's certain?


LALENDRA

flip the now effective goon. this is basic mafia theory. come the fuck on people

[Eddie Cane]

Do you give 0 shits about copchecks

well you just said the cop was scum but

cop could be town with no town doc claim sure

you always lynch confirmed scum.

[Eddie Cane]

if you want full wifom which you apparently do, not only is janitor less than 50% role locker as explained hes also probably less likely than his partners. the way he was the main wagon for a while means one of his voters would likely be a partner and bussing the best xcum pr in a hugely town sided game is not a thing that happens.the rb is most likely who ever the third scum is, possibly it dossnt exist and its iconeum, otherwise it's the third. what if lalendra faked her BUDDIES role?I've seen that. you always lunch confirmed scum. basic. mafia. theory.

[Eddie Cane]

I checked math and got no result

hey look someone in this goddam game listens to me

[Eddie Cane]

ircher is confirmed neighborizer by neighborizing taly

so yeah lalendra must be rolecop

fair enough in that point

[Eddie Cane]

no, because your gamesolve relies on the cop getting actual checks on people

the theoretically town cop CAN'T get checks on people as long as a mafia roleblocker is alive

we lynch the most likely roleblocker and that's janitor

what mechanical benefit is there to lynching lalendra the role cop now after massclaim has already happened?

you're speaking in general principles and i'm asking you how lalendra's lynch actually helps us

it flips scum. I dont need more than that. less scum = more town ev.

[Eddie Cane]

vla I'll let you know in a few days if I'm siteflaking

[Eddie Cane]

that kill is horse shit, i was going to probably try and lynch dino today for all of his bullshit

ah well

thanks scum!

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie - for the purposes of numbers

Taly - was town anyways, but scum!Taly never lets Dino be a kill so this slot is basically conf town.

Mutant - still pretty solidly town too

Ircher - not scum with Ausuka, and Ausuka townreads on meta, and has that generally awkward townie vibe. Town.


Saske - less confident than before, meh. Townish.

Ausuka - townish

davesaz - I wish we had a n3 vig to threaten to policy you if you don't stop being actively useless. meh.

Iconeum - scummish

The Janitor - spewed scum by Dino

[Eddie Cane]

that kill is horse shit, i was going to probably try and lynch dino today for all of his bullshit

ah well

thanks scum!

Meh, Math was close to conftown at that point.

So am I actually.

I

really


disagree

being against the Lalendra lynch was actually scummy

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie - for the purposes of numbers

Taly - was town anyways, but scum!Taly never lets Dino be a kill so this slot is basically conf town.

Mutant - still pretty solidly town too

Ircher - not scum with Ausuka, and Ausuka townreads on meta, and has that generally awkward townie vibe. Town.

1 more town and the game is over bar a random vig/vengeful faking vt scum, cool coooool.

[Eddie Cane]

My town bloc:
mutantdevle
Eddie Cane
Ausuka
Eddie Cane
Taly

In between:
Ircher
SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis

Lynch first:
davesaz
The Janitor

this is pretty similarish to my reads though, and a cop claim. we probably have to do Janitor today. Saske and Dave are options too. Ico, meh. 50/50

[Eddie Cane]

Fine, we Lynch Janitor but we use our time wisely.

Eddie, do you care to be neighborized tonight?

doesn't make a big difference to me

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie - for the purposes of numbers

Taly - was town anyways, but scum!Taly never lets Dino be a kill so this slot is basically conf town.

Mutant - still pretty solidly town too

Ircher - not scum with Ausuka, and Ausuka townreads on meta, and has that generally awkward townie vibe. Town.

1 more town and the game is over bar a random vig/vengeful faking vt scum, cool coooool.

if we had ausuka in here the game's p much done

what do you think ircher / taly / mutant?

[Eddie Cane]

I don't think statistic A (town are always neighbourizer) proves point B (Irhcer is conf town and Dave is almost conf town)

but

I agree Ircher is solid town anyways so I don't really care enough to argue

[Eddie Cane]

and then got guiltied by the mod somehow idk wtf happened that'll be a fun post game talk

[Eddie Cane]

that all starts with the assumption iconeum is town

[Eddie Cane]

So, scum is janitor, davesav, SIMYK. I can understand if you guys think I fit in that list (at least in davesav spot). If you think i fit into that list in another spot we need to talk.

If you think I'm scum but still agree with janitor and SIMYIK, consider me a vote on either on those 2 you can use.

This is what we need to be discussing, however. The bad/not bad discussion is much less important.

Janitor, Davesaz, and me would all have been good N1 cop targets.

Pedit: I’m not lynching SIMYK today; that’s not even question. That said, maybe 40%? 55% if you are town.

If he was going to fake a roleblock anyways why not claim a "less scummy" target?

[Eddie Cane]

oohhhhhh ya

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Janitor

[Eddie Cane]

yawn

[Eddie Cane]

rain drop drop top apathy coming plop plop

[Eddie Cane]

really

[Eddie Cane]

welcome simyk

how caught up are you?

[Eddie Cane]

technically they could be doing a gambit becusse ico would know there is in fact an rb

however

i really sont rhink they're the kinds of players to do that so il accept it

[Eddie Cane]

could Taly be scum?

I dont think xcum taly ever lets mathdino die

[Eddie Cane]

UNVOTE:

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Mathdino

[Eddie Cane]

Saying that town have picked cop 100% of the time they got that pick, and scum picked redirector 100% of the time is nice info but not predictive.
Assuming that a rolecop result of cop -> conf town merely because of the previous games stats is gambler's fallacy.

As scum I would really strongly argue optimal play is to pick Cop. Rolecop is too much of a threat. And the Watcher can catch a lie potentially.

yay random game irrelevant theory talk

how's it goin mutant

[Eddie Cane]

Can't we all be friends and vote Janitor together?

[Eddie Cane]

SIMYK was why I repped in

/yawn

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Janitor

[Eddie Cane]

Someone hammer Janitor. I'm done with this game.

agree with this sentiment

[Eddie Cane]

so how long do you need? the person I joined for got repped out so I'm not exactly thrilled

[Eddie Cane]

okay, no need to unvote now. please keep it snappy.

[Eddie Cane]

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[Eddie Cane]

Nah, don't vote Janitor yet, if we wait a week the game will be mechanically solved.

lol

[Eddie Cane]

mutant, any opinion on puppies?

no dont vote lel

[Eddie Cane]

eddie came

[Eddie Cane]

why did you rep in giga? I thought you were taking a break from mafia and busy irl

[Eddie Cane]

last time there was a zero effort win town managed to lose

-fakegod

[Eddie Cane]

this doesnt feel like your town catch up

[Eddie Cane]

just iso me and read the game from that

[Eddie Cane]

so what have you read?

[Eddie Cane]

yes

a theory question is relevant why

[Eddie Cane]

but scum!me is irrelevant because i wasnt in for the draft so scum!me wouldn't have had a say

[Eddie Cane]

what if I'm scum vengeful and I'm secretly plotting to throw lylo and get lynched

[Eddie Cane]

haha

[Eddie Cane]

I would think vig is superior to vengeful for both alignments tbqh

[Eddie Cane]

Math was getting paranoid too and Math knows who SIMYK is so that could be a partial NK explanation
shrUg

[Eddie Cane]

expand on 2566 please, because that would make katyusha a guilty from my pov if true

[Eddie Cane]

However, I fear Eddie may be deep wolfing. So if someone I strongly town read can really look into them and their predecessor then I will be grateful.

if anyone knows how to meta eddie that'd be fantastic for my reference lmao, he's not that easy to read fme and we havent had a scumflip yet which is usually how i go about reading him

also i'm like? really sure neither of taly or ausuka are scum. is it really inconceivable from your pov that they're both town?

I think you've scumread me exactly twice ever.

I was not scum in either.

[Eddie Cane]

we arent

[Eddie Cane]

I do not identify as ausuka

[Eddie Cane]

Ok I'm confused. Can someone explain to me why Janitor goes for RB while scum above him don't?

I guess maybe Ico goes mafia Cop but what about SIMYK?

it was only one slot above so a tie with mathdino was the only change

saske could have gone for rolecop perhaps, I could see knowing them them thinking dino would be more likely to go for that than doc

wifom questions *shrug*

if katys toen I'll see it but I'm not rn

[Eddie Cane]

Can't we all be friends and vote Janitor together?

[Eddie Cane]

UNVOTE:

[Eddie Cane]

He's town, so he can finish.

[Eddie Cane]

Yes and no.

There is a point to be made about statistical analysis being helpful.

You're biased because you know you're town. /s

(yes, over 12 games a 100% rate of Neighbourizers being town is a strong statistic worth noting. a 3 game one would not be, but luckily we are blessed with scum not wanting the role that is much more helpful to scum.)

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Janitor

[Eddie Cane]

Math is great as town, sure, but his strength isnt usually his reads.

[Eddie Cane]

Also the D2 Lalendra lynch is 100% scum motivated, she was confirmed to NOT be a roleblocker and we absolutely needed to lynch within that dipole so that Janitor/My slot/Iconeum could be resolved before lylo

lol no

[Eddie Cane]

Things I need before the day ends:

1) Iconeum's night target and result
2) Eddie Cane's response to my ISO of his

when I'm at a computer, ye.

[Eddie Cane]

that doesn't make it 100% scum motivated bruh

[Eddie Cane]

I can reconcile you being xcum if that's the question

[Eddie Cane]

ircher, why the vote?

btw taly and ircher are ics I'm just trying to find the last town to give you an idea where I'm at

[Eddie Cane]

fucking christ I cant deal with 3 gamethrowing town lylos in a row

[Eddie Cane]

you're voting ausuka and claiming the team is 3 other people in lylo, even ignoring the fact I and very very probably taly are town that's the definition of gamethrowing friend.

[Eddie Cane]

who's the last town if I'm right about my 3

[Eddie Cane]

I'm thinking Dave is the most likely.

[Eddie Cane]

ayy

[Eddie Cane]

is there anything preventing an ico/katy/ausuka team?

[Eddie Cane]

"common sense is not that common"
-gucci

(a real quote lol Google it)

[Eddie Cane]

r u gonna acknowledge my greatness in postgame when I pwoerlymch you or

[Eddie Cane]

I was about to say better as town too with a winky face

and i realized u were implying i was xcum here

touche

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Ausuka

well, irchers off so either he misvoted and we lose or this happens. 75% scum so whatever.

[Eddie Cane]

but in the future, please never vote this quick in lylo even if you yourself have a goddamn cop guilty

[Eddie Cane]

..oh

was it ircher kats taly

ffs

[Eddie Cane]

so who was the team

[Eddie Cane]

I'm not xcum dude

[Eddie Cane]

well realistically I was vengeful it didn't matter lol... dont beat ircher up too bad


gg all

hey dino am I easy to catch huh?

[Eddie Cane]

what if I'm scum vengeful and I'm secretly plotting to throw lylo and get lynched

[Eddie Cane]

NGL y'all made the right night kill last night because had I lived my first post would have been a vote on Eddie the deep wolfing bastard.

I should have realised sooner that you were scum. Scum usually tries buddying me after seeing my town game.

Ircher, Town Neighbourizer, Endgamed
davesaz, Vanilla Townie, Endgamed
Iconeum, Town Cop, Endgamed

Oh hey it's the mechanical town guys.

and that vote would have made you lose, lol

[Eddie Cane]

of course mechanical stuff is useful, it's just that almost everyone does it wrong, gets bad results, and eithe realizes it themselves and stops or convinces others it's bad by how shit they do with that.

[Eddie Cane]

Also, this is shameless advertising, but.....

You all were great fun to play with, and I'm trying to fill a large normal game. I would really appreciate it if any of you were to decide to sign-up for my game.

Pedit: I don't think it would make a difference?

sorry mate got your PM too but I'm siteflaking when my games are done

[Eddie Cane]

for the record, our play wouldve been very different if I wasnt planning on dying. I was trying to set up shit assoucations everywhere I could point out to my partners, such as my waffling on saske or the fact brass flakeouts are xcum indicative. I planned on being lynched d4 or d5 if needed. luckily, wasnt needed.

taly and katy were fun to play with, check the mafia pt for more. I read the game, decided brass was simyks partner and I specifically repped in to be scum with simyk. got lucky. broke my replace in meta, but ah well.

[Eddie Cane]

normally youd be right, but I wanted to help simyk more than I didnt want to be xcum.

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie did you know brass was scum with simyk?

I knew both were scum, easy reads if simyk was town I wouldnt have replaced in.

[Eddie Cane]

I kept telling them to stress less, from the Lalendra lynch onwards the game was pretty much over.