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Post Post #12 (isolation #0) » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:44 pm

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Lol I thought this game took place exclusively in the PTs...

I’m an idiot.
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Post Post #13 (isolation #1) » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:46 pm

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What’s everyone’s thoughts on revealing our neighbours / keeping them secret?
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Post Post #19 (isolation #2) » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:00 am

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In post 14, Mathdino wrote:probably has little to no effect on balance

scumteam is pretty screwed with me/NSG together tho
*as long as you're both town.

Honestly, I don't see a reason why outing our neighbours would be harmful but I'm still cautious to do so as I don't see how it would benefit us in any way.
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Post Post #20 (isolation #3) » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:01 am

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In post 17, Invisibility wrote:No one's in the mood to RVS? :(
Yeah but who do I RV though?
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Post Post #27 (isolation #4) » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:16 am

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I think people underestimate the power of a PT.
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Post Post #30 (isolation #5) » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:20 am

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I don't think so.
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Post Post #32 (isolation #6) » Sun Jun 10, 2018 12:21 am

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In post 2, HeWhoSwims wrote:Throughout the game, every player will be in 2 neighborhoods
Hmm, actually. Does this mean you
always
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Post Post #66 (isolation #7) » Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:01 am

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In post 54, Mathdino wrote:mutant is currently the best wagon, scum-mutant scumtells early and buries you with walls as the day goes on
So you're saying I've already dropped scum tells?
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Post Post #67 (isolation #8) » Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:03 am

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In post 51, wavemode wrote:
In post 48, Mathdino wrote:but none of that matters
do you have reads beyond "fuck PTs"
my vote is currently on the scummiest person in this game
But you're not self voting?
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Post Post #76 (isolation #9) » Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:40 am

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In post 68, Invisibility wrote:mutant if you don't like wavemode why don't you vote wavemode?
One day, people will stop asking me this question because everyone will know who I am and hence know that I don't just vote like that.
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Post Post #83 (isolation #10) » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:49 am

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In post 80, Invisibility wrote:
In post 76, mutantdevle wrote:
In post 68, Invisibility wrote:mutant if you don't like wavemode why don't you vote wavemode?
One day, people will stop asking me this question because everyone will know who I am and hence know that I don't just vote like that.
we gotta pressurewagon mate!
If there was a wagon on 'em then I'd sure as hell join it for the pressure but I feel like a single vote as 'pressure' barely means a thing and is ineffective.
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Post Post #84 (isolation #11) » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:49 am

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Ehh, fuck it.

VOTE: wavemode
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Post Post #143 (isolation #12) » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:02 am

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Math I don't know what your deal is but either one of these things is going on regarding your read on me:

- You are scum picking on me because you know I'm an easy day 1 lynch and then I get harder to lynch as the day goes on.
- You majorly overestimate your ability to read me.
- You overestimate my ability to look townie.
- You don't actually scum read me but know that I'm most likely to scum tell as a day 1 wagon and hence want to get me to that position as your plan for reading me.

I don't think it's the first option since I wouldn't expect you to also be calling NSG out as scum and this point and I can only hope it's the 4th option.

But seriously, if you are scum reading me because my town game is blatantly obvious and I don't look townie enough yet, then stop. using. that. as. a. tell. for. me. Both you and the worst seem to expect me to look townie from the get go. That's not how I work. In our last game, I wasn't obvious town until after you died. That was day 3.
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Post Post #144 (isolation #13) » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:03 am

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EBWOP: *as the game goes on.
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Post Post #150 (isolation #14) » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:04 am

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In post 147, northsidegal wrote:i'm writing mutant off as town for now
Probably not helping his view on us :lol:
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Post Post #153 (isolation #15) » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:06 am

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Also math, my view on wave has nothing to do with wk you. I just don't like wave. One of my gut reads.
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Post Post #158 (isolation #16) » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:29 am

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@NSG what is your read on math?

I'm assuming he is scum reading you from your PT interactions - so if your read on him is also largely based on that I'd appreciate being given a general idea of what exactly has gone on between you two?
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Post Post #160 (isolation #17) » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:35 am

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I'm liking Myloninja13, UnrealSeal & Invisibility. StefanB is also looking town but he needs to step it up a bit to remove my doubt. I also think that I like you but I'm not sure. Math is cool I suppose as long as I am of the belief he is just trying to get a
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Post Post #161 (isolation #18) » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:36 am

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I do like the wingedcat's 1 post though.
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Post Post #164 (isolation #19) » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:44 am

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In post 162, Scioness Sajj wrote:what do you exactly like about myloninja and seal?
:cop:

Will answer later.
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Post Post #165 (isolation #20) » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:44 am

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By later I mean like day 2 or something.
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Post Post #166 (isolation #21) » Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:44 am

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In post 163, Mathdino wrote:Trying to figure out whether reads that don't make any sense whatsoever
US a scumtell, nulltell, or towntell for mutant
Do my reads ever make sense?
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Post Post #184 (isolation #22) » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:36 am

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In post 176, Myloninja13 wrote:Why am I scum :(
Probably because they don't know how you play yet.
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Post Post #185 (isolation #23) » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:38 am

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In post 177, Scioness Sajj wrote:
In post 165, mutantdevle wrote:By later I mean like day 2 or something.
eh
VOTE: mutant
If this is a pressure vote to make me respond to your question sooner than when I've specified then just know it won't work. Anyone who knows me will know that I have never failed to answer a question. So when I tell you I have every intention of explaining my answer later, I mean it. I don't mean "I hope you just forget about it so that I don't have to answer this question".
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Post Post #186 (isolation #24) » Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:39 am

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In post 180, BuJaber wrote:Found it a little surprising that mutant TR'd cat based on one post when the rest of us were put under the umbrella of too quiet to judge yet.
I don't town read cat. I just said I like their 1 post.
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Post Post #199 (isolation #25) » Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:18 pm

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@Scioness Sajj are you scum reading me purely because I said the equivalent of "I'll explain later"?
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Post Post #206 (isolation #26) » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:03 pm

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In post 205, UglyDuck wrote:Not ignoring just highlighting this one
Isn't your point that they avoided RVS though? So you'd have to be ignoring those posts to make this point or you know your point is wrong.
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Post Post #207 (isolation #27) » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:04 pm

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Ahh nvm, your point is that they just tried to back out of it.
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Post Post #208 (isolation #28) » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:04 pm

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I don't get why that's so bad anyway though :3
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Post Post #227 (isolation #29) » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:46 am

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Soley based on the fact I think Math is town I would be prepared to wagon NSG but I do agree she is better left for later.
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Post Post #286 (isolation #30) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:22 am

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In post 256, northsidegal wrote:
@mutant
, when did you realize that the game didn't take place exclusively in the PTs?
Talking to the mod pregame.
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Post Post #289 (isolation #31) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:30 am

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In post 259, Mathdino wrote:I would accept that as a reason he's not scum with a heavy pre game strategiser
If I was scum, I would 100% be scum with a heavy pre game strategiser since I'd be scum with at least myself.

Just to clarify my above statement, I started talking in my PTs before the thread was created and even before I even received my alignment. I then had a few small PMs with the mod essentially along the lines of 'wait, am I supposed to be able to do this?' from which I had the realisation that we can talk in the thread too once its up.

Even then though, I don't think anything about not knowing this part of the game is alignment indicative for me in any way not does it say anything about who I could be scum with.
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Post Post #290 (isolation #32) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:36 am

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In post 287, Invisibility wrote:what is that question even supposed to accomplish
In post 288, Invisibility wrote:the one that NSG asked
I feel like she is trying to paint my misunderstanding of the setup as a town slip and asked me the question hoping my answer would back up said claim.
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Post Post #378 (isolation #33) » Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:49 pm

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Will read this when I get home from college.
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Post Post #416 (isolation #34) » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:26 am

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In post 327, Awoo wrote:>first response to getting scum read is "you're scum lynching me im easy mislynch"
Actually, I made the opposite conclusion...

I gave 4 possible reasons from my point of view for math's scum read of me, but at the end of it I literally say how I don't think it's the first option which is the scum option:
In post 143, mutantdevle wrote:I don't think it's the first option since I wouldn't expect you to also be calling NSG out as scum and this point and I can only hope it's the 4th option.
Please don't cherry pick my posts.
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Post Post #417 (isolation #35) » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:28 am

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In post 354, Awoo wrote:
Awoo why are you townreading me
- found scum mutantdevle
- whining about winrate (note: this is a bad reason)
- the early push on mutant gives me flashbacks to games in which I hard pushed on scum early and everyone ignored me (taking justice into our own hands, open 695)
- reads are volatile and not agreeable/scripted (nsg is scumteam -> nsg is clear)
- agree on the surprise uglyduck town, he does seem genuine
- high energy


your turn: explain wavemode town to me!

STOP SPAMMING IM WRITING THE POST btw mutant > arcangel in terms of best lynch
I don't know if it's intended but you seem very confident in the idea that I'm scum.
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Post Post #418 (isolation #36) » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:31 am

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In post 363, Awoo wrote:#nsg
no, but we come from the same offsite forum. And I watched him play cult leader in rocky picture horror show.
Oh, you played EE too?

Also, rocky horror picture show was becoming more and more of a meme by the end. Please only take into account my behaviour of the first 2 - 3 'day' phases as my 'scum' meta.
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Post Post #419 (isolation #37) » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:35 am

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In post 380, Mathdino wrote:Scum wouldn't out their dayvig by murdering mutant like that in cold blood
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Post Post #420 (isolation #38) » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:41 am

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In post 411, Awoo wrote:#1 fear in this game is that mutant is a scum slot and replaces out and a good player replaces in and never gets lynched.
In post 412, wavemode wrote:what, mutant is replacing out?
I will never replace out of any game. Ever.

Not unless there are extreme irl circumstances for it.
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Post Post #421 (isolation #39) » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:42 am

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In post 411, Awoo wrote:and a good player replaces in and never gets lynched.
I mean, this is just rude :P
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Post Post #422 (isolation #40) » Fri Jun 15, 2018 5:42 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #424 (isolation #41) » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:48 am

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In post 423, Awoo wrote:My biggest problem with you is you've been all defense and wifom (I would do xyz if I was mafia ) and very little content. Don't defend yourself by responding to me, show me a thought process. I'm not accepting "I'll do it later in the game", show me literally anything because I don't like anything you have so far and if you're town it shouldn't be that hard.
Honestly, my thought process right now is "what's the point?" in almost every aspect. That about sums me up.

I'll provide proper content for you
when I feel like it
. When that will be I don't know. It depends on the day, it depends on the game state and it depends on how I just generally feel.

I don't really have any scum reads right now. I was scum reading NSG because I was sheeping math on it but now math says she's town. And I'm only sheeping him because I know my reads are complete shit in like every game and the main piece of advice I've got from people about that is to just know when to sheep others. I was scum reading wavemode but idk I'm just not anymore probably because of how he has reacted to me which makes me worry that he is scum successfully pocketing me since my experience with scumsters reacting to me is they either push me hard or buddy me. Ofc I also have my paranoia about math but that's becoming a standard for every game I play with him now so I'm just ignoring it and reasoning to myself how he is scum. I'm biased in favour of my neighbours and some of the people they have mentioned as town but again paranoia - especially since those are stupid reasons to trust them.

And basically yeah I just feel useless right now in this game because I have nothing to do, my strength in mafia means nothing here and I doubt that's going to change all game. At most, I may be useful for vote count and night kill analysis but anyone can do that you don't need me for it and even then there's very limited information you can get from it.

So basically I'm not doing much if anything because I don't think there's anything to actually do.
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Post Post #425 (isolation #42) » Fri Jun 15, 2018 8:51 am

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Lucky guess of PoE in my head says Scioness Sajj, BuJaber and ArcAngel9.
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Post Post #427 (isolation #43) » Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:40 am

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Of the top of my head with nothing backing it up ruling everyone else as town through various shitty poorly reasoned methods, yeah, simple shitty not even quarter-assed PoE. Why, does it bother you?
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Post Post #429 (isolation #44) » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:26 am

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Oh yeah forgot about that. I do know it I just forgot :3

Scratch out ArcAngel9 then since they've done fuck all.
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Post Post #515 (isolation #45) » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:28 am

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In post 472, Mathdino wrote:but uglyduck i've played with like 3 times now, i think i can claim solid knowledge of him
You've both played with and seen me play a lot more than that yet you've been unable to read me correctly without sheeping recently :/

I'm neither for nor against an uglyduck lynch, but just saying. From my PoV, your statement of "I've played with them a lot so I know how to read them" doesn't really mean much in the way of reassurance or convincing.
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Post Post #516 (isolation #46) » Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:43 am

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In post 514, BuJaber wrote:Invis possibly in between mylon and seal ?
Nope.
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Post Post #546 (isolation #47) » Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:50 am

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VOTE: ArcAngel9
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Post Post #586 (isolation #48) » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:30 am

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In post 582, BuJaber wrote:I'm willing to vote for AA9 specifically but the recent votes on her make me uneasy. They came quickly and without explanation.
My vote is more policy than anything. I don't like AA9's interactions with people. Not because there is anything necessarily scummy about them but rather because the interactions are kinda toxic. Regardless of whose fault that kind of interaction is, the easiest soloution is to remove AA9. My scum team only won my last scum game because of how much the town was at each other's throats and I see traces of that here. Either AA9 is scum or they'll be a problem townie later on in the game. IMO, that's worth spending a lynch on. Especially a day 1 lynch.

I asked invisibility about his vote essentially right after he made it and he says that AA9 is awful at defending herself and that she's scum trying to thrust hate onto math.
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Post Post #587 (isolation #49) » Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:31 am

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In post 583, Myloninja13 wrote:Most people who townread me have played with me or seen my town play before.
In post 584, BuJaber wrote:Hence the question. Is your play still in line with your town meta.
I'd say so yes, hence my town read of mylo.

That said, I'd fully expect scum!mylo to have the same level of minimum effort.
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Post Post #596 (isolation #50) » Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:58 am

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In post 588, BuJaber wrote:What about uglyduck mutant? Do you townread him and why/why not?
I don't really have a read either way on them.
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Post Post #606 (isolation #51) » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:42 am

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In post 601, UglyDuck wrote:
In post 600, Mathdino wrote:I'm policy lynching aa9 if it comes down to the wire

If she can't pay enough attention to the game to even notice who's voting who, she's not worth the effort

Fucking do something, people
UglyDuck get on scioness
can't we try to start Mutant instead? It feels like a much better spot.
Typically, a serious L-1 reaching wagon is probably the best way to sort me. However, this is way too late in the day for running me up to L-1, figuring out I’m town, have the wagon disappear and then have someone else lynched. If I’m wagoned now you’re just asking for a miss lynch. Y’all have missed your chance to wagon me today, try tommorow instead.
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Post Post #741 (isolation #52) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:42 am

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Eww I have so much to catch up on.
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Post Post #742 (isolation #53) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 5:54 am

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@page 26 and I'm liking NSG's case on Scioness.
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Post Post #744 (isolation #54) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:03 am

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In post 673, BuJaber wrote:There's still the matter of the lying during neighbor claims. I am still interested in any info that exposes who lied so we can ask them why and see if we believe them to be town based on what they say or we lynch them for lying.
What current PT associations do you have confirmed? From there, we can simply question those we are unsure of.
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Post Post #746 (isolation #55) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:07 am

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In post 678, northsidegal wrote:After we've decided on a lynch but before it happens, would everyone be alright posting the full contents of their PTs? There's something I've been thinking about.
I'm comfortable with that. Not as much has gone on in my PTs as I would have hoped.
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Post Post #748 (isolation #56) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:12 am

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In post 697, northsidegal wrote:
In post 696, BuJaber wrote:If both are scum why would stefan say this to her? They'd know I am.
This is the crux of where I think your reasoning is questionable. It's not difficult to fake.
Sure it's not difficult, but I really don't think it's likely. I agree with BuJaber on them never being scum together this game.
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Post Post #749 (isolation #57) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:15 am

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In post 704, northsidegal wrote:my making things up
your view of my confidence
Personally, I thought you came across as confident.
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Post Post #750 (isolation #58) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:21 am

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In post 710, northsidegal wrote:
In post 692, Mathdino wrote:Along those lines, scum NSG has previously killed me while I was townreading her so while I expect you guys not to lynch UglyDuck, wave, or BuJaber, I don't expect 100% sheeping on NSG
Figure it out as you go
by the way, math

can you not say things like this? like, could you put a bit more into reading me before the day ends?

especially given bujaber's history and what he's already said given the situation of scioness being town i'd rather not turn this game into more of a disaster than it is

i'm certain someone will call this "knowing scioness will flip town" or something of the sort. to them i would say that asking math to read me more doesn't make sense coming from me as scum.
I actually really don't like this post. Math town reads you and has stated that
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times; so I really don't understand why you'd ask him to put more effort into reading you when he has clearly come to the conclusion you are town for now. And that wifomy lamist self-meta at the end...
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Post Post #752 (isolation #59) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:34 am

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From the NSG vs Sajj interactions and arguments I'm able to confidently conclude that BuJaber is town.
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Post Post #753 (isolation #60) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:37 am

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In post 742, mutantdevle wrote:@page 26 and I'm liking NSG's case on Scioness.
This said, a lot of Sajj's posts since then have really read as town frustration to me.
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Post Post #755 (isolation #61) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:44 am

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In post 745, BuJaber wrote:I mean I am quite sure dino and wave aren't lying about their PT.
And likewise sajj about awoo being both her and my neighbor.
I also doubt mylon was faking the confusion over names so I believe he is neighbors with nsg and AA9.

But technically nothing is confirmed.
Well I can personally confirm I am neighbours with Invisibility and Seal :P

Which gives me the opportunity to explain this, as promised:
In post 164, mutantdevle wrote:
In post 162, Scioness Sajj wrote:what do you exactly like about myloninja and seal?
:cop:

Will answer later.
In my PT with Seal, he asked me very specifically - based on the fact I stated I had played with mylo ninja before - whether or not I thought mylo was town. For that point in the game, I didn't feel like a scumster would be checking up on mylo like that and, if they were, they'd do it themselves rather than ask me. Hence why I liked seal. To answer this question, I also refreshed my knowledge of the game I played with mylo. Upon doing this, I found that mylo's game so far here felt very similar to his town game there. Hence why I also liked seal.
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Post Post #756 (isolation #62) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:46 am

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In post 747, BuJaber wrote:Pedit - mod stated he prefers we don't outright post our PTs.. so maybe ask specific people to paraphrase and have their neighbors confirm or deny etc. Maybe anyone who reaches a certain threshold of votes?
I was planning to do it in a similar way Sajj did :P
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Post Post #757 (isolation #63) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:49 am

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In post 751, Scioness Sajj wrote:
In post 743, BuJaber wrote:I get the demotivation and helplessness if she is town. I also wouldn't condemn all self-votes. But doing it here at this time amd putting herself at L-1 is close to game throwing. Believe me I did it in a 3p lylo in my newbie game because I felt frustrated and tried a hail mary gambit. I have since learned my lesson. You don't self-vote when it more or less guarantees your lynch.
dude, how can you be so unaware of your surroundings :giggle:
how is putting myself at l-1 on D1 two days before deadline game throwing? I have provided more than enough content for you all to talk about when I flip town.
what do you expect me to do? push me for some last minute lynch that i don't bellieve to save myself? i like to think i'm more game aware than that.
This is pretty much the same as hammering yourself as a townie. Because if town she can't possibly know that scum wouldn't login before she returns and hammer her. And sure a hammer would look shady but townies get trigger happy too when deadline is near.
What planet are you on? Do you think you can solve me v NSG without a lynch? Good luck with that because IF both of us are town then we are not dying any time soon. How do you imagine next day phase will look like? Half of the players awol and nsg still on me (i doubt she will back off of this since she didn't do it already).
Yesterday is a content, maybe not the best content but still. People have and will be forced into making stances. D2, after my flip they will also have to make a decision how to handle NSG. That's plenty of material to work on going forward.
Not confirming me today is a waste of a day phase.
I do agree you that you vs NSG needs a solution but I don't think this is the way to do it. There's every chance you don't get lynched today and I'd personally like to see you around for day 2 if possible.
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Post Post #770 (isolation #64) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:51 am

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In post 768, Mathdino wrote:Fuck that
VOTE: mutant
May I just ask: what do you hope to achieve by wagoning me this late in the day other than you simply 100% wanting me lynched?
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Post Post #771 (isolation #65) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:52 am

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In post 768, Mathdino wrote:Everyone post their acceptable lynches and their availability next 2.5 days
I'm willing to lynch everyone other than you and BuJaber and I'll be here entirely for the next 2.5 days unless I'm sleeping or at college.
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Post Post #799 (isolation #66) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:51 am

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In post 772, Mathdino wrote:This isn't a reaction test

I didn't like your catchup and you're the only wagon I genuinely believe is all town

Gimme a lynchpool

Edit : see that doesn't help your case lol
Lol it's easy to call a 'wagon' all town when the only people on it are yourself and 1 other person.

You haven't really answered my question in this post but I guess it implies that you just blatantly want me dead instead of actually trying to progress a read on me?
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Post Post #802 (isolation #67) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:56 am

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In post 801, Scioness Sajj wrote:jesus mutant why are you so blatantly scummy lol
Where's this come from now? :(
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Post Post #804 (isolation #68) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:58 am

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In post 800, wavemode wrote:well actually we have five willing to vote invisibility and four willing to vote unrealseal
I'm kinda mixed on invisibility. I don't know whether the only reason I don't want him lynched is because he's my more active neighbour. But I must admit I've had some bad vibes for a while.
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Post Post #806 (isolation #69) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:59 am

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In post 803, Mathdino wrote:i vote people for 3 reasons
- scumread
- policy lynch (or shit play)
- reaction test

i'm scumreading you
You scum read me last game -.-

Next game, please stop pretending you can read me.
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Post Post #808 (isolation #70) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:11 am

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In post 807, Mathdino wrote:
In post 806, mutantdevle wrote:
In post 803, Mathdino wrote:i vote people for 3 reasons
- scumread
- policy lynch (or shit play)
- reaction test

i'm scumreading you
You scum read me last game -.-

Next game, please stop pretending you can read me.
i ultimately ended up townreading you

and i scumread you when you were actually scum

i'm capable of identifying your towntells but you didn't drop any in PYP X/Y D1 and you haven't dropped any here

this is also a different gamestate to PYP, you should have more freedom to post here with the lesser aggressiveness/spam
You town read me because you started sheeping Eddie knowing he had done a huge meta dive of me and hence reliable but then he turned out to be scum anyway... I don't recall you ever describing me as town independent of sheeping Eddie. Like, many of the times you called me town you specifically mentioned I am only so because of sheeping Eddie. When you died I had to step up my game in your absence if I wanted setup spec to mean anything that game. So it wasn't until day 3 that I become my obvious town self. Aka, you'd probably do better to stop expecting me to town tell at the start of games.

Also, do I come across as aggressive this game? Because whilst I don't feel scummy, I certainly feel aggressive with a lot of what I write. Maybe that's what's confusing you.
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Post Post #811 (isolation #71) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:14 am

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In post 768, Mathdino wrote:My lynchpool is aa9, mutant, and invisibility
AA9 Is more of a potential policy thing, right? (I remember you mentioning you actually think they are kinda town but are prepared to lynch them). If my interpretation of that is correct, then you think invisibility is my scum partner right?
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Post Post #816 (isolation #72) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:18 am

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In post 814, Mathdino wrote:
In post 811, mutantdevle wrote:
In post 768, Mathdino wrote:My lynchpool is aa9, mutant, and invisibility
AA9 Is more of a potential policy thing, right? (I remember you mentioning you actually think they are kinda town but are prepared to lynch them). If my interpretation of that is correct, then you think invisibility is my scum partner right?
i have a 1/66 chance of correctly guessing the scumteam

i find scum first and then i find associations

correctly finding a scum/scum pairing is much more difficult in 11:2
Aka "No".
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Post Post #818 (isolation #73) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:20 am

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In post 812, Mathdino wrote:
In post 808, mutantdevle wrote:Also, do I come across as aggressive this game? Because whilst I don't feel scummy, I certainly feel aggressive with a lot of what I write. Maybe that's what's confusing you.
i specifically mean that other players are less aggressive/spammy so you should have more space to be yourself than in a game with eddie cane, simyk, and the worst controlling the board
Ahh, fair enough. That's definitely not a scum tell for me though I don't think.

How would you describe my play this game?
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Post Post #820 (isolation #74) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:15 pm

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In post 812, Mathdino wrote:
In post 808, mutantdevle wrote:Also, do I come across as aggressive this game? Because whilst I don't feel scummy, I certainly feel aggressive with a lot of what I write. Maybe that's what's confusing you.
i specifically mean that other players are less aggressive/spammy so you should have more space to be yourself than in a game with eddie cane, simyk, and the worst controlling the board
Like I don’t feel like the reason I wasn’t coming across as town there was because others were drowning me out. I just didn’t feel like it. The way I present myself is very much a matter of how I feel and the current gamestate. I towned up there because we were losing and things were going to shit, aka I needed to. That’s why I genuinely think wagoning me to near lynch is a good way to determine my alignment. It puts me in a position where you force me to be bothered, you force me to feel like being town, and if I’m unable to do that I’m probably scum. But wagoning me at a point in time where there’s no backing down is just going to make you realise you’ve just misslynched as you’re doing it.
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Post Post #862 (isolation #75) » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:37 am

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In post 828, Mathdino wrote:
In post 825, northsidegal wrote:UNVOTE:
Have you yet noticed that our entire lynchpool is on this wagon
Am I in your lynch pool or not? Because I've never voted Scajj.
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Post Post #863 (isolation #76) » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:41 am

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In post 850, wavemode wrote:for invis i recorded me, awoo, math, nsg, mutant, bujaber

for seal i've recorded me, awoo, math, nsg, mutant, WCG
To clarify, that lynch pool of everyone but math and BuJaber I mentioned early, that wasn't so much a pool of 'I wanna lynch these people' that was a mention of 'I'm never lynching these 2 even if we were about to run out of time'. I'm not in support of a seal wagon at all but I'm prepared to vote them if the alternative is a no lynch.
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Post Post #864 (isolation #77) » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:42 am

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Also @math you didn't answer my other question :(
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Post Post #870 (isolation #78) » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:25 am

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VOTE: Invisibility

Sorry neighbour :(
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Post Post #887 (isolation #79) » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:21 pm

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L-1 I think.
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Post Post #897 (isolation #80) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:00 am

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Invisibility's last message to me in his PT was "no hard feelings"

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Post Post #902 (isolation #81) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:52 am

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We’ve already lynched one of my neighbours. Can we not lynch my other one? Thanks.
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Post Post #920 (isolation #82) » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:44 am

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In post 913, Awoo wrote:... what if you were mafia and you planned a kill to frame mathdino
I mean, I think it's clear the NSG kill was an opportunity to kill a strong player and frame Sajj in the process.
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Post Post #921 (isolation #83) » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:46 am

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In post 915, BuJaber wrote:Also if it isn't even more abundantly clear that duck/aa9 contains 1 scum
I don't think it's wise to lynch ugly duck before Math is dead.
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Post Post #922 (isolation #84) » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:47 am

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In post 917, BuJaber wrote:"Boohoo don't kill my neighbors"
I mean, I have a legit reason to think seal is town based on PT interactions as I have explained earlier.
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Post Post #923 (isolation #85) » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:47 am

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Ugh god that start is so repetitive.
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Post Post #924 (isolation #86) » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:49 am

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In post 919, BuJaber wrote:And I apologize for switching between calling him Dino and math. I'm trying to force myself to always call him Dino to avoid any mixups with the math(s).
Just don't use the abbreviation 'MD' ;)
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Post Post #926 (isolation #87) » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:41 am

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In post 755, mutantdevle wrote:In my PT with Seal, he asked me very specifically - based on the fact I stated I had played with mylo ninja before - whether or not I thought mylo was town. For that point in the game, I didn't feel like a scumster would be checking up on mylo like that and, if they were, they'd do it themselves rather than ask me. Hence why I liked seal. To answer this question, I also refreshed my knowledge of the game I played with mylo. Upon doing this, I found that mylo's game so far here felt very similar to his town game there. Hence why I also liked seal.
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Post Post #927 (isolation #88) » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:50 am

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In post 257, Mathdino wrote:It's a 2 man scumteam
He could easily have just not strategised with a lurker scumpartner
In post 259, Mathdino wrote:You're right
I would accept that as a reason he's not scum with a heavy pre game strategiser
So like me for example

Bayesian only works here because it eliminates a few scumteams
This doesn't seem so relevant now but @math can you just answer me why my misunderstanding of the setup meant that, if I was scum, my partner would neither be a lurker nor a pregame strategiser?
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Post Post #928 (isolation #89) » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:55 am

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In post 927, mutantdevle wrote:
In post 257, Mathdino wrote:It's a 2 man scumteam
He could easily have just not strategised with a lurker scumpartner
In post 259, Mathdino wrote:You're right
I would accept that as a reason he's not scum with a heavy pre game strategiser
So like me for example

Bayesian only works here because it eliminates a few scumteams
This doesn't seem so relevant now but @math can you just answer me why my misunderstanding of the setup meant that, if I was scum, my partner would neither be a lurker nor a pregame strategiser?
Nvm math, completely ignore this.

You implied that scum have pregame chat in those posts and I was suspicious of that because it's never mentioned anywhere that scum had pregame chat. But then I remembered there was unofficial pregame chat for everyone as the PTs were open for a while before the thread was created.
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Post Post #976 (isolation #90) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:15 am

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In post 949, Mathdino wrote:We should be wagoning mutant
Seal is also an okay choice
I don't like either of these wagons.
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Post Post #978 (isolation #91) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:16 am

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In post 955, Lavos wrote:awful winged sr that implies vts don't lurk

awful aa9 votepark

awful mathdino vote
Take a look at your predecessor.
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Post Post #981 (isolation #92) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:37 am

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In post 961, BuJaber wrote:Can you explain this one please sorry I missed it.
Fact: Mathdino is town reading Uglyduck.
Fact: Mathdino has accurate town reads.

Regardless of what Uglyduck flip, I don't think this would tell us anything about Math.
However, a Math town flip probably means Uglyduck is town.

So I'd be more comfortable lynching Math first before Uglyduck. That said, it's too early to lynch Math.

I don't believe this bs theory that Math is scum with Uglyduck due to how obvious the white knighting is. I don't think scum!Math would do that.
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Post Post #982 (isolation #93) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:38 am

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In post 962, Awoo wrote:mutant ... town? ehhhhhhhhhhh :/ if he is town I am probably just incapable of townreading him for long because I dont like the way he writes posts
What's wrong with the way I write posts?
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Post Post #983 (isolation #94) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:54 am

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In post 980, Lavos wrote:mutant who
do
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You, woo, or wavemode sounds good to me tbh. I have a town read/reasons to keep them alive on everyone else.
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Post Post #984 (isolation #95) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:54 am

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By woo, I mean awoo :P
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Post Post #986 (isolation #96) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:26 am

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WOW
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Post Post #987 (isolation #97) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:27 am

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You're very mean :cry:
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Post Post #988 (isolation #98) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:27 am

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In post 983, mutantdevle wrote:
In post 980, Lavos wrote:mutant who
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You, woo, or wavemode sounds good to me tbh. I have a town read/reasons to keep them alive on everyone else.
Hmm, actually, add AA9 to this too.
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Post Post #994 (isolation #99) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:32 am

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It's okay Math, we can let out a sigh together.
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Post Post #999 (isolation #100) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:06 am

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VOTE: AA9
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Post Post #1021 (isolation #101) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 7:22 am

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Maybe because y'all aren't confident in how you scum read him?
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Post Post #1032 (isolation #102) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:34 am

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In post 1026, Lavos wrote:Math/mutant can we do seal or awoo instead? Having cold feet on aa9 tbh
Awoo is good. Leave my seal alone.
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Post Post #1034 (isolation #103) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:37 am

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VOTE: Awoo
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Post Post #1038 (isolation #104) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 11:59 am

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Yo all, may I just ask, how far around the cul de sac did my copy pasta get?
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Post Post #1049 (isolation #105) » Fri Jun 29, 2018 5:02 am

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In post 1039, Scioness Sajj wrote:it didn't get to me but idk how far away we are
It probably didn't get past wingedcat *sigh*
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Post Post #1050 (isolation #106) » Fri Jun 29, 2018 5:03 am

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In post 1047, BuJaber wrote:I'll admit that if duck is town dino looks scummier
What about town!duck makes dino look scummy?
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Post Post #1057 (isolation #107) » Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:26 am

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Math tends to white knight people he honestly believes shouldn't be lynched.

That said, his refusal to explain exactly why he is white knighting UD over anyone else is iffy.
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Post Post #1080 (isolation #108) » Sat Jun 30, 2018 12:02 pm

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I've never seen Math replace out before :q
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Post Post #1119 (isolation #109) » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:37 pm

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We have a problem that none of us have anything to talk about because no one is generating any content because no one has anything to talk about.

People who have strong reads should start pushing and casing them.
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Post Post #1180 (isolation #110) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:53 pm

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VOTE: toranaga
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Post Post #1181 (isolation #111) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:53 pm

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Ohh, I should probably have checked the vote count before that.
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Post Post #1182 (isolation #112) » Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:55 pm

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Ehh, it's fine. I think the 3 votes on this page are the only votes for them.

I think I prefer Lavos tbh though.
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Post Post #1198 (isolation #113) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:18 am

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In post 1191, BuJaber wrote:@mutant - did seal as you a question to which you resoonded negatively? If yes did he tell you how I responded to the same question?
Seal asked me a question. Said he asked you the same question. Told me your answer.

I guess my response to said question could be considered negative. I wouldn't call it a 'bad thing' though.
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Post Post #1214 (isolation #114) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:52 am

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Lol your last 2 posts make it look like you've suddenly
decided
to scum read me.


Also, I'm voting on that wagon because it's popular. But that 2nd line was noting how, out of Almost50's 2 scum reads, I'd prefer Lavos. Since, y'know, Almost50's reads were relevant at the time since he just subbed in.
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Post Post #1218 (isolation #115) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:48 am

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In post 1215, Toranaga wrote:if you're paying any attention to my posting.
I'm not really paying attention to anyone's posting. So that probably answers your next question.

Actually, it doesn't. Because I "the equivalent of" scum read people. I would not be able to explain any of those reads though.
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Post Post #1219 (isolation #116) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:49 am

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VOTE: Lavos

I was so lazy with that vote tag that I quoted and edited Almost50's post to do it.
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Post Post #1222 (isolation #117) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:01 am

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In post 1221, Lavos wrote:
In post 1219, mutantdevle wrote:I was so lazy with that vote tag that I quoted and edited Almost50's post to do it.
Why did you post this
I felt like it.
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Post Post #1237 (isolation #118) » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:38 am

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In post 1223, Lavos wrote:Idk, when you say "I'm not really playing the game or reading it and I don't have real reads" three times in two consecutive posts it starts to feel fake and planned
I don't see where I did that 3 times in 2 posts so I'm assuming you are just being hyperbolic about how I keep stating I'm not currently interested in this game in the slightest. Maybe I keep stating that because people keep expecting me to have content.
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Post Post #1303 (isolation #119) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:12 am

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In post 1240, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1237, mutantdevle wrote:
In post 1223, Lavos wrote:Idk, when you say "I'm not really playing the game or reading it and I don't have real reads" three times in two consecutive posts it starts to feel fake and planned
I don't see where I did that 3 times in 2 posts so I'm assuming you are just being hyperbolic about how I keep stating I'm not currently interested in this game in the slightest. Maybe I keep stating that because people keep expecting me to have content.
Wait! Are not interested in getting interested or you just not interested but interested in being interested? Now that's an interesting question.
I'm not really interested in being interested tbh. This is hardly my style of game. I was expecting only being able to talk to 2 people for the majority of the game and form reads on others based on a convoluted game of Chinese whispers :P
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Post Post #1304 (isolation #120) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:15 am

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In post 1264, Lavos wrote:
In post 1218, mutantdevle wrote: I'm not really paying attention to anyone's posting.
In post 1218, mutantdevle wrote: Because I "the equivalent of" scum read people. I would not be able to explain any of those reads though.
In post 1219, mutantdevle wrote: I was so lazy with that vote tag that I quoted and edited Almost50's post to do it.
^ these were the three times
I think you have a very loose definition of mentioning I'm not paying attention. Saying, I am not able to explain reads comes under that only at a push and stating I was lazy with a vote tag is hardly a notion of not paying attention. If anything, it states how I am not putting effort in. (though, ironically, I put more effort into typing that second sentence than I would have done if I typed the vote myself).
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Post Post #1305 (isolation #121) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:19 am

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In post 1301, Myloninja13 wrote:VOTE: Mutant
Why the fuck are you voting for me? I would not expect this from you Mylo.
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Post Post #1308 (isolation #122) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:56 am

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In post 1307, Toranaga wrote:I've managed to sort of metadive duck,
In post 1307, Toranaga wrote:I've also metadived unrealseal
Me next, me next!
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Post Post #1322 (isolation #123) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:19 am

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I think we have a shared love.
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Post Post #1324 (isolation #124) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:34 am

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In post 1323, Almost50 wrote:BuJaber
UD
mutant
MyLo
wave
Unreal
Awoo
wcg (Lavos)
AA9 (Tora)
Scioness
I actually really like this list tbh.
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Post Post #1469 (isolation #125) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:51 am

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I have a really strong negative feeling about wavemode and idk. I've had it all game and there's nothing I can do about it.
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Post Post #1475 (isolation #126) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:19 am

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He's right. It's mostly gut. And that makes him smile because it lets him no I can't do anything against him.

The only thing of substance to this read aside from gut is that he was quick to townread me based on little. That tends to come from scum in my case because of my playstyle. It's so easy to town read me as scum because I either end up as lynch bait or I bleed town. If I bleed town then they were behind me all along and if I end up lynch bait then they can take credit in not persecuting me.

That, alone, is nothing. And I had this feeling before he stated such a read.

And of course, even this gut read is seeded with heavy doubt as usual for me. This is why I prefer more mechanical games.
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Post Post #1480 (isolation #127) » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:36 am

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I think Scioness is worth a lynch. I liked their response to NSG's push and thought it was town but that can be faked and I'm usually wrong. NSG was killed for a reason.

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Post Post #1513 (isolation #128) » Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:00 am

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I think they're town.
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Post Post #1542 (isolation #129) » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:38 pm

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LOOK OUT IT'S A SPOOKY GHOST!!!!
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Post Post #1543 (isolation #130) » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:39 pm

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"Lynch Scioness Sajj" the spirit says.
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Post Post #1544 (isolation #131) » Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:40 pm

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The town watches on as the soul of northsidegal fades into the mist
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Post Post #1575 (isolation #132) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:30 am

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In post 1560, Almost50 wrote:Mutant >> Unreal

These are the only 2 off the UD wagon (aside from myself and UD himself). With UD flipping red I am willing to reverse my read(s) and especially so on mutant (because I obviously haven't had good reads before).

Also, checking UD's read list I see he called Unreal scummy and mutant towny so mutant >> Unreal.

VOTE: mutant
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Post Post #1577 (isolation #133) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:34 am

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In post 1568, Almost50 wrote:
In post 1567, UnrealSeal wrote:like how mathdino called duck town and used PT interactions to justify it. PT interactions that probably don't exist. PT interactions which probably took place in the scum PT.

That can easily be disproved by a massclaim of neighborhoods. I'm sure we still can work out the whole circle if we claim them now.
That would not disprove it since they could be scum AND neighbours.
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Post Post #1578 (isolation #134) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:36 am

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In post 1576, Scioness Sajj wrote:I thought you were scumreading me?
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In other news, i think I should reconsider a 50 :(
I am scum reading you. But I was town reading UD based on math's confidence. A50 didn't give any reason not to trust Math's confidence.
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Post Post #1579 (isolation #135) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:37 am

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Also, I am scum reading you based on sheeping NSG :P
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Post Post #1580 (isolation #136) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 1:38 am

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Maybe I should stop sheeping?

Nah, I don't feel like attacking wavemode.
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Post Post #1582 (isolation #137) » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:09 am

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In post 1581, Scioness Sajj wrote:So you don't have your own reads okay
In post 1580, mutantdevle wrote:I don't feel like attacking wavemode.
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Post Post #1626 (isolation #138) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:26 am

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In post 1598, Almost50 wrote:Who's your other neighbor again?
Idk, I can't find them anywhere. I think they went invisible.
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Post Post #1627 (isolation #139) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:29 am

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VOTE: Lavos
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Post Post #1631 (isolation #140) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:27 am

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#NoRegrets
#MyVoteIsMehButDon'tLynchMeForItIfItFlipsGreen
#I'mBoredWithThisGameSoIWouldn'tBeTooMadIfTheAboveHappenedAnyway
#IHopeThisFlipsRedSoIDon'tHaveToFeelBadAboutNotContributingToThisThreadAnymore
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Post Post #1637 (isolation #141) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:46 am

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Yay!
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Post Post #1650 (isolation #142) » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:29 am

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I did fuck all this entire game.

Lol.
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