SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[MariaR]

no but people wanted you to speak so

[Taly]

they don't have to give thoughts on the person they want to have a high score, tho

and by this, I meant based on claims/roles

[Shoshin]

Also why did you ask about my names out of all of these

Dunn's one of the players who hasn't said enough for me to read yet, so when he finally took a position about someone (you), I asked him about it. He didn't answer and the other reads he mentioned were really boring so I'm pressing more with hopes of reading Dunn (plus maybe refining my read on you).

[Pine]

Taly: PP's claim is functionally a counterclaim to Punreader. That's why they're both getting 0s from me. Neither of them are strong utility to Town, and they're especially not useful post-claim.

I'm happy to eliminate them now.

[Shoshin]

I'm strongly against ending the day early.

[Shoshin]

Didn’t I just give this?

I thought your reads changed based on new information, but I guess not... What's your read on Pun/Pine? Why is PP town?

[Srceenplay]

Didn’t I just give this?

I thought your reads changed based on new information, but I guess not... What's your read on Pun/Pine? Why is PP town?

What new information am I missing ?


Pine is just shit posting.

Pun i need to go back and re gather my thoughts. They have went down on my list iirc

PP is not a town read.



I need to get on a computer in a bit. Grab a beer and try to get some more detailed thoughts down.
Plus reply to Taly. .

[Shoshin]

I need to get on a computer in a bit. Grab a beer and try to get some more detailed thoughts down.

Beer rots the brain, but otherwise that's a good idea. From what I gather, there's quite a few folks ranking you low so if you're town you really need to post enough thoughts for us to read you better.

[Nahdia]

Nahdia,

welcome!

I read through your ISO and nodded a lot; but why is

PP's

claim towny?[/size]

I think, as scum, the wouldn't have pussyfooted around claiming for so long. They woulda just done it or not. If they wanted to deliberate on whether they should or not, they'd ask their scumteam (just checked; scum are confirmed to have daytalk).

[Shoshin]

Taly, if you have an updated reads list, I'd like to see it. Also, I'm confused by the whole "reads don't equal rankings" warning plus your bit about lying - I'm guessing you're worried about scum manipulation of rankings but that's not helpful - our #1 goal needs to be finding the scum, not preventing scum manipulation, and that means posting honestly and as much information as necessary to help us identify you (or whoever) as town (or scum). I mean, at this point it's fairly clear you're not dying tonight, but still, don't set a bad example for others who we really need to post more and to post honestly.

[Shoshin]

I think, as scum, the wouldn't have pussyfooted around claiming for so long. They woulda just done it or not. If they wanted to deliberate on whether they should or not, they'd ask their scumteam (just checked; scum are confirmed to have daytalk).

Helpful observation.

[Shoshin]

Nahdia, other than Dunn, who would you peg as scum?

[MariaR]

I'm strongly against ending the day early.

I strongly advise for it before apathy sets in and people second guess there reads
I rather have an early day that everyone feels confident on then a long day that is pathy

[Srceenplay]

I need to get on a computer in a bit. Grab a beer and try to get some more detailed thoughts down.

Beer rots the brain, but otherwise that's a good idea. From what I gather, there's quite a few folks ranking you low so if you're town you really need to post enough thoughts for us to read you better.

One of my favorite quotes.


“Well, you see, Norm, it’s like this. A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it’s the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members.In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Now, as we know, excessive intake of alcohol kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine.

And that, Norm, is why you always feel smarter after a few beers.”

[PenguinPower]

Taly: PP's claim is functionally a counterclaim to Punreader. That's why they're both getting 0s from me. Neither of them are strong utility to Town, and they're especially not useful post-claim.

I'm happy to eliminate them now.

Kinda what I implied earlier, and my role is mostly anti-town at this point. I'm good with this.

[the worst]

I'm strongly against ending the day early.

I strongly advise for it before apathy sets in and people second guess there reads
I rather have an early day that everyone feels confident on then a long day that is pathy

QFT

[PenguinPower]

This concerns me a bit though:

At least one of the numbers I have (i.e. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0) has a modified value in its weight. It could count for nothing, it could count for half, it could count for double, it could count for triple, I'm not sure if I should claim what value it holds but what I am getting at here is that my ability to influence popularity is not the standard and has at least one property which is modified in at least one way.

[MariaR]

What does QFT mean

[PenguinPower]

Quoted for truth

[Taly]

Taly, if you have an updated reads list, I'd like to see it. Also, I'm confused by the whole "reads don't equal rankings" warning plus your bit about lying - I'm guessing you're worried about scum manipulation of rankings but that's not helpful - our #1 goal needs to be finding the scum, not preventing scum manipulation, and that means posting honestly and as much information as necessary to help us identify you (or whoever) as town (or scum). I mean, at this point it's fairly clear you're not dying tonight, but still, don't set a bad example for others who we really need to post more and to post honestly.

You're correct about my concern, and I see the point you're making about town needing to be honest here.

I'm probably not going to die via ranking

But I have no clue on whether I'd be an NK target or not

I haven't officially written a readslist yet, though I have a better idea of my reads than I did throughout most of the day so far, but I'll think a bit more about my reads and give you what I'm most confident about tomorrow if people don't quick end-day.

I'm strongly against ending the day early.

I strongly advise for it before apathy sets in and people second guess there reads
I rather have an early day that everyone feels confident on then a long day that is pathy

I've already started second-guessing to some degree, tbh. :/

Taly: PP's claim is functionally a counterclaim to Punreader. That's why they're both getting 0s from me. Neither of them are strong utility to Town, and they're especially not useful post-claim.

I'm happy to eliminate them now.

Kinda what I implied earlier, and my role is mostly anti-town at this point. I'm good with this.

...Yeah... I can see why you'd say this as scum AND even town, but it's so foreign to how I play... Ugh. :/ If you're town, I really wouldn't want you to be OK with being eliminated, it just sounds like a waste for town.

But if you're scum, you're submitting to being killed? trbwefwwrtbgseafrsrbefawfghfgbdfvdsfeavfe

Taly.exe

has stopped working.

Can you reply to my previous post to you?

[Shoshin]

I disagree about apathy being a problem - if you're widely read as town and have confidence in your reads, then maybe you'll get apathetic, but so what? There's some players who aren't widely read as town (so they're going to have incentive to post more thoughts) and some players who don't have confidence about their reads (so they're going to continue actively scumhunting), and that means there's still a lot of meaningful discussion to be had. And if a few players who don't care want to zone out for a couple pages while the rest of us try to figure things out from our perspectives, I don't see why you'd be against that? At bottom, it's pro-scum to cut off discussion when there's still a lot left to analyze/discuss as it's the scum who benefit from ending things early - it certainly takes the pressure off them to keep contriving posts.

[PenguinPower]

You have a lot of posts...point it out pls.

p-edit

@Taly

[Shoshin]

I also disagree that "second guessing" is a problem - it's actually precisely what townies need to be doing, constantly reevaluating so that they make the best decisions possible.

[Taly]

Spoiler: PenguinPower

Why are you only seemingly interested in my posts and your claim so far? Your ISO is almost entirely about these two things so far, and I don't know why you keep your vote on me when you're not expanding on your thoughts over me, or discussing your reads.

This part is struck out given your recent posts.

I've decided that I am enough of a negatively utility at this point that I'm going to claim.

I'm Shadoweh. Conditional Ascetic Townie with the passive that no actions from someone ranked lower than me can affect me, including night kills. This is why I suspected Punreader's BP claim.

Since I'm likely to be ranked low...claiming seemed to be beneficial.

Can you clarify how

Pun's

BP claim makes you suspect him given your role?

Are you wary he'd have NKed you if you were higher than you in ranking? Because I'm not sure why he would? And why is you claiming this role out of the gate beneficial for town right now?

He hinted at a second condition, but not an action. So do you think his claim could more likely be from scum? You stated that you wanted to reassess him but you never followed up with that.

[Srceenplay]

Quoted for truth

quit fucking trying