Minuet's Trio [Game Over]

[Brian Skies]

Town
Brian Skies - The pinnacle of what obvtown should be.

Less Town
andriod18 - Can't even spell its own name.
Katsuki - Who doesn't like cupcakes?

Somewhat Town
Wisdom - One of the more underrated D&D stats.
mastina - Might get herself lynched anyway.
Human Sequencer - Somebody has to defend the RVS.
grapes - The Mod felt the need to confirm something from him for whatever reason.

No Idea
Purrcocet - Is this supposed to be a floating cat head?
Ginngie - Pick a color.
Nosferatu - Colors are hard.
Moment - No idea.
Dunnstral - No idea.

A Little Scummy
Kokichi Oma - Danganronpa.

Less Scummy
zMuffinMan - Just look at that avatar.

Scum
Nancy Drew 39 - What happened to the other 38 of them?
Kaede Akamatsu - Danganronpa.
hebichan - The most pretentious Pokemon.

VOTE: Kaede Akamatsu

[Brian Skies]

Maybe my reads are backwards.

[Brian Skies]

Scum
Brian Skies - The pinnacle of what obvscum should be.

Less Scum
andriod18 - That misspelling is an act of pure villainy.
Katsuki - Cupcakes make you fat.

Somewhat Scummy
Wisdom - D&D players dump this for a reason.
mastina - Might get herself lynched anyway.
Human Sequencer - RVS is overrated.
grapes - Never trust the Mod.

No Idea
Purrcocet - Is this supposed to be a floating cat head?
Ginngie - Pick a color.
Nosferatu - Colors are hard.
Moment - No idea.
Dunnstral - No idea.

A Little Town
Kokichi Oma - Danganronpa.

Less Town
zMuffinMan - Just look at that avatar.

Town
Nancy Drew 39 - Maybe she's just old.
Kaede Akamatsu - Danganronpa.
hebichan -

Still a snake

.

VOTE: Andriod18

[Brian Skies]

if i had to guess who's scum with him atm, i'd guess one person in {Purrcocet, Dunnstral, Brian Skies} and one person in {Human Sequencer, grapes, Kokichi Oma, Nosferatu} just because that's how i'd expect random distribution of alignment across the player list. it's unlikely that there's scum in {Nancy Drew 39, Wisdom} because they're directly above and below him in the player list respectively and that seems like a highly unlikely thing to happen when you randomise alignments

This is hilariously fallacious, but sure, I can vote Cupcake for you.

Please be town this time.

VOTE: Katsuki

[Brian Skies]

Please be town this time.

if you believe it to be true, nothing is impossible. don't let my actual alignment get in the way of things

btw, i'm a novice reflexive fruit vendor

I believe you!

[Brian Skies]

we can't vote yet

hello is anybody home

Limitations only exist if you let them.

Also, nobody claimed this, so...?

[Brian Skies]

pedit: read rules
we can't vote till grapes does

I see.

But how does this stop the rest of us from voting?

[Brian Skies]

i guess we can vote but i don't really see the point
just makes a potential mess when all of our votes suddenly do get counted

It's a minor setback.

We will just have to revote. Since the original votes didn't count anyway, how does it become a mess?

[Brian Skies]

I'm assuming all of our votes that weren't counted will suddenly become counted when he does vote.
If they aren't then I don't see the point of it even more

I don't understand this.

If the original votes do end up being counted, then how does this make voting

right now

pointless?

[Brian Skies]

I assume Grapes will hold off on voting for the next 5 days, probably for his hypothetical ability.

If he holds our ability to lynch hostage and we end up No Lynching today, the game will proceed as normal starting Day 2 anyway. In the event this happens, there is a non-zero chance that we have the Roleblocking Vigilante in the sample PM and it can make him pay for his foolish transgressions.

So, what is your issue again?

[Brian Skies]

i don't really see the relevancy of what you're saying to what I'm saying, but it brings up things I hadn't considered

firstly grapes =/= kochiki
secondly when you ask "what is your issue again" you assume I have an issue
could you elaborate on what that "issue" is?
issue with other people voting? if so, I was under the impression people were voting as muffinman was, who hadn't read the rule and were assuming their votes were being counted
if people are aware their votes aren't being counted, I don't really care nor do I have an issue

You clearly do have an issue, since you're trying to argue that you think voting right now is pointless.

I guess I had Grapes and Kochiki merged for w/e reason. I still don't see how Grapes holding our lynch hostage is that big of a deal.

[Brian Skies]

you're assuming I have an issue or problem with things I don't

Just to be clear, I never said you were making a big deal about it.

An issue, by definition, just means a personal problem or difficulty.

Which I do believe you have (or had).

Your personal hangup on voting is Grapes. I don't think he matters that much.

[Brian Skies]

Hey grapes, I have a proposal, once you decide to start the voting, can the first vote you place be on yourself, followed up by you switching to your real vote?

What is the point to having him selfvote for you?

[Brian Skies]

Pretend this post was full of scumhunting and towniness.

[Brian Skies]

Unofficial Votecount 1.0

Katsuki:

zMuffinMan, Brian Skies

Hebichan:

Andriod18

Not Voting:

Everyone Else

It takes 9 and a Grapes vote to lynch.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-06-20 15:00:00)

[Brian Skies]

brian, would you like to hydra with me this game? you can control our (your) vote, but we discuss where it goes as a team (in our hydra PT - aka this thread). that way my vote can remain on cupcake but i'll still feel like i'm participating in this game

i currently think we (you) should vote kaede. thoughts?

and thoughts on the rest of the game?

I'm not ready for such responsibility. If, however, you'd like me to temporarily turn you into a doublevoter until I figure out what I want to do with my vote, then sure, I can help you (us) push things.

Kaede? Sure.

VOTE: Cupcake

I think Dunn is a little scummy. HS/Moment probably town? I might have some actual developed thoughts for you tomorrow after I get more time to read what's been said.

[Brian Skies]

1) FakeGod has in fact used a role that has been present on several players but effective at different game days for each, 2) hence seeing a D3 IC is not something outside what he would do

1) Yes
2) I don't know if we're referencing the same game as in 1, as the one I'm thinking of didn't have a D3 IC, so I'm not understanding the conclusion you're drawing here

[Brian Skies]

Sure thing but i wanna hear dunn's angle first

Theorizing that your vote may have additional powers on your first vote if you're scum (while your role is strong enough stand-alone if town) so by self voting first vote you remove that bit of doubt

Do you have prior experience with roles like this? Because this is such a strange thing to be worried about, and even if Grapes did have some sort of special first-time voting power, why was your immediate request to have him waste it on himself?

[Brian Skies]

kinda taking the mason claims (mastina, cupcake) at face value for now so leaving them alone

not masons, IC, but same diff

If you think they're claiming masons, then sure, I don't mind leaving them alone.

However, I don't understand why you want to take their claims at face value.

In the same vein as your novice reflexive fruit vendor, they are probably making fake claims in some capacity reminiscent of A Nightingale's Tale. I think Mastina is probably actually being somewhat serious about her role (because she usually is regardless of her alignment), but katsuki is pretty untrustworthy in general, and Day 5 Innocent Child was

my

fakeclaim in that game.

Like, it wouldn't surprise me if Kats is making that claim just to take a jab at you recycling your claim earlier (to which I did recognize based on

Sakura's

Kaede's post, I just doubted FG would give you the same role twice and wasn't taking you seriously).

hs town im ok with
moment probably town yeah but not as sure yet
kokichi seems townish
wisdom and nosferatu and maybe grapes seem townish

Okay.

Although I mostly only agree on HS/Moment/Nos/grapes.

andriod seems town

If you think hebi is scum, then I guess I can see why you might think the andriod is town. But I think hebi has a tendency to look bad (not that I'm saying I think she's town, just that she's an easy target). I could make the argument that andriod's tryhard posting is more likely to come from town, but I don't actually believe this is the case.

[Brian Skies]

wow rly bs?



Look how sad they look! Think of all the good times we had! D:

Muffins is clearly an evil scumlord corrupting the pure-hearted innocent townspeople of our land.

VOTE: MUFFINS

I still don't know our password.

But, I don't think relying on Sprinkled Delight worked out so well for you last time, so why do you think it would here?

[Brian Skies]

that reminds me

we need to come up with a hydra name for this game

im thinking isaac and miria

but i need you to change your avatar back for that to work

I have one prepared, although it isn't the same one I originally used.

[Brian Skies]

Normally I'd say that you can't steal my gimmick, but given that my gameplan this game is to just mess around all of D1 and D2 until I'm conftown on D3 (by the way that D3 Innocent Child claim? Not a joke.), I'll allow it.

Like, you've seen me do this before, and I wasn't copying you then. So why do you still think I'm copying you now. Lol.

[Brian Skies]

(Btw this would be one of the reasons why I'm intending to basically do nothing for two gamedays. I WANT people to doubt me. Because doubt keeps me alive until that point, at which I can just pull the trigger, and then suddenly, BAM! Conftown, will reveal the reads I've had the whole time but been keeping semi-secret, and from there fuck the scum over. They'll never know what hit 'em.)

Or they'll just do to you what they did to me and vanillarize-neighborize you.

[Brian Skies]

oh, is calling mastina scum in vogue now?

if so, mastina is scum

[Brian Skies]

OMG YES!

I wasn't sure if you were going to leave me hanging or not but

[Brian Skies]

Sure thing but i wanna hear dunn's angle first

Theorizing that your vote may have additional powers on your first vote if you're scum (while your role is strong enough stand-alone if town) so by self voting first vote you remove that bit of doubt

Do you have prior experience with roles like this? Because this is such a strange thing to be worried about, and even if Grapes did have some sort of special first-time voting power, why was your immediate request to have him waste it on himself?

Hey Dunn!

I asked you a question.

Two in fact.

[Brian Skies]

In the same vein as your novice reflexive fruit vendor, they are probably making fake claims in some capacity reminiscent of A Nightingale's Tale. I think Mastina is probably actually being somewhat serious about her role (because she usually is regardless of her alignment), but katsuki is pretty untrustworthy in general, and Day 5 Innocent Child was

my

fakeclaim in that game.

Oh wow I totally didn't realize muffins did that!

The bit about me being untrustworthy hurts though ;_;

I can't tell if you're serious about your claim or admitting to mimicking me.

Don't blame me, blame the moderator.

btw i forget what the pw is too but can probably dig that up if you want

It isn't that important right now, and you didn't answer the question. >.>

[Brian Skies]

I could get behind a Nancy wagon.

[Brian Skies]

I feel no remorse.

[Brian Skies]

Okay.

Although I generally ignore that tell.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Nancy

[Brian Skies]

I would consider Wisdom anything other than lynchbait. Why do you have this impression of him?

Who is Necromancer?

[Brian Skies]

Oh, I think I misread that. Maybe you're referring to one of your games?

[Brian Skies]

No, don't listen to him.

Praise us more.

[Brian Skies]

@Hebi:

Do you actually think Mastina is getting lynched today or what?

[Brian Skies]

I think at least one of Dunn, Nos, Kat is possibly a wolf

the language here is interesting

How so?

[Brian Skies]

or why she picked three names and made no conclusion about which one she thought was most likely or anything

She followed up on this and scumread Dunn though.

[Brian Skies]

She followed up on this and scumread Dunn though.

not really, but i suppose you could argue she did

Oh, you're right.

Still don't really have an issue with that in particular, and like Ginngie said, she could still be working through it?

[Brian Skies]

such as why she didn't include kaede or why she picked three names and made no conclusion about which one she thought was most likely or anything

Looking at the votes on me, I dislike Dunnstral’s ISO the most.

I think at least one of Dunn, Nos, Kat is possibly a wolf.

Dunn’s ISO seems to be full of weird posts, like demanding Grape self-vote (trying to hard to look town), Insisting, rather than speculating that Mastina’s claim has to be fake and aggressively pushing Wisdom lynch. All of this before opportunistically sheeping onto my wagon.

[Brian Skies]

Do you think I’m incorrect about this and that my wagon is 100% town? Because that would definitely be a first

what do you think of post #363 (both in the context of what you just said and just as a general post)?

assuming town is smart enough to not mislynch me

Don't overestimate us

If you truly believe this then why is your vote still on me? Maybe you aren’t the wolf on my wagon? But why would you be so quick to vote me then?

It's a very confusing post.

However, if I break it down, I assume what Dunn intends to mean is that if Nancy is indeed town, that he doesn't really think town should be expected to realize that she could be a bad lynch and not mislynch her.

Her immediate reaction seems fine, as she questions the sentiment, especially if Nancy thinks Dunn admitted to thinking she's mislynch bait. The third question follows up on her suspicion. The big issue I have is the second question, because it has this weird conflict where she considers him to be town, and I don't know why it's there.

[Brian Skies]

It's also possible that the last two questions in 363 are actually supposed to be one train of thought, and it would make sense to me that way.

[Brian Skies]

i don't particularly feel like breaking this down into very minor details and explaining specifically what i don't like, so i will just float this out there and you can say whether you see why i might think this:

i currently think the most likely scum team is nancy-kaede-ginngie

subject to change on a whim if i feel like it

I'm okay with these reads.

My lynchpool is currently <Dunn, Hebi, Kaede, Nancy> with Ginn as a 'meh' read. Hebi I still think is an easy target. I do think Ginn's reaction to Moment is a little overblown.

Spoiler: Actual List of Reads That I'm Still Working On

My Hydra Partner
zMuffinMan

Town
Purrcocet
Human Sequencer
grapes
Nosferatu
Kokichi Oma
andriod18

Looks Town But I'm Super Unsure
Moment

Not Getting Lynched Today
mastina

Meh
Katsuki
Wisdom
Ginngie

Desired Lynches
Dunnstral
Kaede Akamatsu
hebichan
Nancy Drew 39

[Brian Skies]

I don’t see how Kaede would have ever unvoted me if she were scum. Why wouldn’t she want to mislynch the lhf?

Because it would make her look bad?

[Brian Skies]

Those reads aren't in order, but duly noted.

[Brian Skies]

I don’t see how Kaede would have ever unvoted me if she were scum. Why wouldn’t she want to mislynch the lhf?

Because it would make her look bad?

Because she doesn’t want to mislynch.

I don’t see how Kaede would have ever unvoted me if she were scum. Why wouldn’t she want to mislynch the lhf?

Because it would make her look bad?

What evidence is there in her ISO that makes you think she even cares how she looks?

Okay, so like, this wasn't me saying Kaede was scum jumping off of you because she's scum trying to avoid your wagon. Possible, but not what I was saying.

It was me giving an example of why, if she were scum, and you were actually town here (which I don't know and isn't even my current stance on you, which should be evidenced by me still voting you), that scum Kaede

could

have unvoted there. If this is still unclear to you, then let me know, because there is a difference.

Secondly, why does it matter if there's evidence in Kaede's iso on how she cares she looks? Scum do care how they look, and many town also care about how they look, but who cares? Yes, scum do sometimes blatantly push bad wagons, but not always, and some are more strategic in how they do it.

[Brian Skies]

why am I so high? I've been really tuned out of this game, usually a scumtell for me.

I liked your interactions with HS regarding your Kaede read. Particularly how you admitted to having history with Kaede and you would try to read her emotions, but that you wouldn't write a dissertation on it.

[Brian Skies]

There is this massive empty space here and I just wanted to let you know how much it bothers me.

[Brian Skies]

isaac
hs
mastina
moment
kokichi
purr
grapes
andriod
dunnstral
-----LYNCH BELOW THIS LINE----- <-- i want to move this line a couple notches down but i can't in good faith
nosferatu
wisdom
hebi
kaede
ginngie
nancy

You're also missing someone.

[Brian Skies]

Wow.

I don't even....

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: hebi

[Brian Skies]

They were talking about Moment, but okay.

[Brian Skies]

if Nancy Drew 39 is town moments push on her is super duper sus

BUT THATS JUST MY OPINON

Just because someone is town, it doesn't mean the people pushing them is scum, but okay.

[Brian Skies]

Kats and Moment both scumclaimed and we can't decide which one to lynch first.

[Brian Skies]

Obviously a joke.

[Brian Skies]

I would lynch in Brian Skies/Human Sequencer/Kokichi Oma/Purrcoet/grapes/andriod/Nosferatu.

This is good, but only because my super secret scumread is in here.

[Brian Skies]

Yeah uh the problem there is...literally every single wagon there except for Kokichi Oma and maybe, maybe, maybe Moment (Moment's an ambivalent read that is thoroughly null) suck.

I agree with you.

[Brian Skies]

Yeah uh the problem there is...literally every single wagon there except for Kokichi Oma and maybe, maybe, maybe Moment (Moment's an ambivalent read that is thoroughly null) suck.

I agree with you.

To clarify, I only mean the wagons that aren't mostly based on vanity (Ginn, Moment, Wis, Kats).

[Brian Skies]

I'm sorry. I only meant Moment, Wis, and Kats.

[Brian Skies]

Third try. Moment and Wis.

[Brian Skies]

Half way through she hasn't asked a single good question.

I feel like this is very relevant.

I don't know why, I just do.

[Brian Skies]

Brian Skies/Human Sequencer/Kokichi Oma/Purrcoet/grapes/andriod/Nosferatu

hydra partner (i suppose i could be in a hydra with scum but i currently dont think so)/town (almost 100%)/town (almost 100%)/town (almost 100%)/town (almost 100%)/i think town but less sure/could be scum

either your reads suck or mine do. guess we'll find out

A difference of one read means one person's entire reads sucks?

[Brian Skies]

Oh, that was to Mastina.

Yes, somebody probably has terrible reads.

Or maybe both your reads suck and there's heavy overlap.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Nancy

[Brian Skies]

nancy confirmed herself as a D1 innocent child

cupcake accidentally scum slipped

we're lynching wisdom because he's obnoxious though

What? Did the world end? I’m just a boring vt.

nancy confirmed herself as a D1 innocent child

cupcake accidentally scum slipped

we're lynching wisdom because he's obnoxious though

What? Did the world end? I’m just a boring vt.

Wait this isn't rolemad? I see thought it was. I don't see why you felt the need to claim in the first place Nancy it wasn't needed.

This is mostly a dodge to say I'll be busy the final few days hopefully a vote count comes around but look back to my reads list it is mostly unchanged for who I am down to lynch.

These are both scum, by the way.

Not that anyone will lynch them.

[Brian Skies]

i doubt a lot, brian

I will make cases for you if you need them (not tonight though), but I'd vastly prefer for people to actually read their posts instead of just giving them reads based on effort or personality or whatever it is you're all basing your reads on.

I'm also lazy and don't want to put that much effort into this game.

[Brian Skies]

I also want you to think about why the Andriod would feel to pop up at that moment to comment on that post with the remark he chose.

[Brian Skies]

Also, for those of you that like meta, I don't believe Nancy plays like this as town at all.

She is more cagey with her reads.

Here she is giving many reads very easily and with bad opinions.

Take a look at Andriod's posting style and notice how he doesn't post that much when Nancy is frenzy posting. It feels like she's being coached (I actually don't have any reason to believe scum have daytalk, but this is the feeling I get from them).

[Brian Skies]

Also, as a bonus, I think they're both hard-buddying Kaede.

[Brian Skies]

You have like two non-ongoing games on site. It's not difficult to look at them.

[Brian Skies]

He was trolling.

[Brian Skies]

I don't think Ginngie is Eddie Cane and I think that's more of a meme than Ginngie claiming identity. Pretty sure other people have or have had the same signature.

[Brian Skies]

Ank is a nonentity.

[Brian Skies]

Ank has even claimed to have not read your posts.

Also, reading someone correctly once doesn't make them an expert. Especially off of just one game.

He also is neither confirmed town nor a townread of mine.

[Brian Skies]

Also, as a bonus, I think they're both hard-buddying Kaede.

This interests me.

I hope you're excited.

I'll explain why I think this sometime tomorrow probably.

[Brian Skies]

Im not dismissing anything.

'Ank can read me 100%'

Has he stated a townread on you?

[Brian Skies]

I think they're all foolish.

Just wait patiently. I'll definitely break it down when I'm feeling more motivated and have time to do so.

Although if these people can open their eyes before then so I won't have to, then that's cool too.

[Brian Skies]

Ank has even claimed to have not read your posts.

Also, reading someone correctly once doesn't make them an expert. Especially off of just one game.

He also is neither confirmed town nor a townread of mine.

Town!ank is definitely an expert on my meta but he is not the only one. Not one person so far from Necro is scumreading me. Why do you think that is? You think they’re all blind?

Also, just to reemphasize how ridiculous you sound right now: nowhere has Ank said he thinks you're town or that he's even read your posts. So why are you bringing him up as a reason to townread you?

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Andriod18

[Brian Skies]

So first I get hard buddied and then im the one being voted.
Nice to know

I actually feel really bad about this because I feel responsible for it.

I do think Andriod is hard-buddying you. I don't think his read on you is genuine. He is also lurking, and his analyses aren't town.

Nancy I thought could've been hard-buddying you based on her flyby townread on Dunn for him townreading you. After looking at it again, I think Nancy's townread on Dunn was more nuanced than just going 'I think Kaede is town and because Dunn thinks she's town too, she must be town.' Even if it isn't more nuanced than that, right now I only think Andriod is the one that I truly think is hard-buddying you.

Also, my hydra partner no longer wants to lynch Nancy for some reason, so I can no longer continue pushing to lynch her in good faith.

[Brian Skies]

how is android buddying kaede

Just read his posts?

[Brian Skies]

I guess it's possible Andriod and Kaede are both scum.

But I don't think Andriod's townread on Kaede is genuine.

[Brian Skies]

I have
What specifically do you feel is an attempt to buddy her and why does he even feel the need to?

Everything about his read feels manufactured.

Why does scum feel the need to buddy? Why wouldn't they? It's a valid scum tactic. Also, if Kaede is who I think she is, then she has shown herself to be susceptible to being buddied anyway.

[Brian Skies]

When i buddy someone its because i want to manipulate them into not scumreading me or into lynching the people i want
Are we having a different definition of 'buddying' here?
If you just mean his townread on her doesnt feel natural thats not buddying, just a bs townread

Okay.

I'll accept 'bs townread.'

[Brian Skies]

ok
to that, ill just say town have bs townreads too and im not interested
Kaede is an emotional player and many players would fall in the trap of default townreading her
Thats what the case with android is, he just doesn't know any better

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sorry you feel that way.

If you want to lynch her, I won't stop you. I don't actually think she's town. I just think Andriod is scum (and to a lesser degree Nancy but w/e, I could be wrong on her).

You guys can lynch who you want.

[Brian Skies]

I'm an alt of Sakura Hana

\o/

I was right.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Kaede

[Brian Skies]

"youre totally awesome and i will sheep you for the rest of the game"

Okay, well, we have like a day left.

If one of those wagons reaches same size or larger than Kaede wagon, I'll join it.

[Brian Skies]

Five days have definitely passed.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Nos

[Brian Skies]

I love lynching

cop

investigative claims.

VOTE: Ginngie

[Brian Skies]

True story.

This wagon developed in the opposite order of the Nos wagon.

Lol.

[Brian Skies]

Also, I don't really have a particular reason for this, but I'd love to know Purrcocet's thoughts on all the vanilla cop business.

[Brian Skies]

Kaede is like all bullshit ate over the last few pages
I trust her maturity more than honestly getting that upset over this shit
It doesn't read genuine at all, it's still so finally inconsistent and feels disingenuous

Explain?

tbh i'd prefer ginngie (and i specifically want to point to how he reacted to both vanilla cops as an instance of why it should be obvious that he's not town - because he should have had a reaction similar to grapes when kaede outed her role and his reaction to grapes' claim and his planned action is just... bad)

you're going to have to unpack this for me, kaede's posting around the vanilla cop claim is way worse

Explain?

[Brian Skies]

I want my questions answered first.

[Brian Skies]

I want my questions answered first.

Didn't need an explanation before, now you do?

Yes.

Muffin gave his explanation. It makes some sense to me and I was already having similar feels about Ginngie's posting surrounding his snap-vote on Grapes. I also can kinda sorta see what he means with Gin+Nos (although I'm not really huge on them being scum together) because their banter here felt off and scummy. I don't know what other little things Muffin is referring to, but meh. I don't think he's scummy. And I don't have Gin in my townreads anyway.

I'm caught up, but I haven't really been paying that close attention for the last 15-20 pages or so. So it'd be easier for me to understand where Ank/HS (and maybe you) are coming from instead of me feeling like this is an eleventh hour push from one of you to save a buddy from a lynch.

[Brian Skies]

Those posts you guys love to quote about andriod talking about a goon mafia and then asking if it's role madness?

Guess what, she's a vanilla cop.

Why do you think this?

[Brian Skies]

It's been established that the role pm for vanilla cop talks about goon showing up as vanilla

It looks like andriod is thinking there's a vanilla mafia, but also thinks the game is role madness

Vanilla Cop would essentially confirm the idea of a Vanilla Townie, no?

[Brian Skies]

It's been established that the role pm for vanilla cop talks about goon showing up as vanilla

It looks like andriod is thinking there's a vanilla mafia, but also thinks the game is role madness

Vanilla Cop would essentially confirm the idea of a Vanilla Townie, no?

Kind of? There can still be a goon, it does imply that at least one person shows up vanilla at least. Assuming it's role madness is okay too.

What interests me is that weird voting thing with grapes, and how grapes claims to not know why that was a thing

It's been established that the role pm for vanilla cop talks about goon showing up as vanilla

It looks like andriod is thinking there's a vanilla mafia, but also thinks the game is role madness

That doesnt make any sense coz it also talks about VTs.

Based on Kaede's comment, I think we can reasonably assume that Andriod's probably not a Vanilla Cop.

[Brian Skies]

What interests me is that weird voting thing with grapes, and how grapes claims to not know why that was a thing

I don't think there's any worth in speculating over this.

My thoughts on this, and I don't really feel like delving further into it than this is:
-Grapes was confirmed to be a non-main character because the setup randomly does this every day phase
-Grapes got to start the voting because of this, and probably to prevent us from instantly lynching him based on the information (maybe)
-It doesn't actually have anything to do with his role and it probably is dependent on who the first player to be confirmed as a non-main character is

[Brian Skies]

it reads more like she found a possible out and is preemptively trying to justify not giving town any info from her role

Okay, sure. I buy this because I kind of had a similar feeling when I first read that.

However, I feel like PR's do have a high risk of getting killed/roleblocked (both perfectly reasonable expectations to have once you've claimed) and we've had a vanillaizer before (which I did bring up to Mastina as a sort of a joke to her IC claim).

I did kind of like how Kaede immediately tried to process Grapes' claim ('didn't you have a thing in your role about voting first'; could be faked but meh). And while she did snap CC-vote him, I find that kind of reasonable and she did try to process the chance of there being multiple roles in other FG games as well.

Contrast this to Ginngie, who if his claim is true, pretty much accepted Kaede's claim as true and snap-voted Grapes instead of wondering why Grapes made his vote. I'm also not entirely sure what his stance regarding the Sakura wagon up to that point was as she did a great job of not voting anything before then (like, Grapes was her literal first vote of the game).

[Brian Skies]

Brian on kaede
I've been scumreading kaede for a very long time
Has been my lynch preference for a long time
If you want proof that I'm not pushing to save a buddy look at early game and you'll see my citing the exact same inconsistent tone
I would quote if I didn't have no time at all

I don't think you're scum (and I don't think I said I did).

I do believe she's your lynch preference. However, this doesn't explain what I asked you, which was about you saying her posts were inconsistent and disingenuous.

[Brian Skies]

I'm also not entirely sure what his stance regarding the Sakura wagon up to that point

Something like this:

only 2 because I hammer

I don't care about that.

That's a Ginngie thing and not an alignment indicative thing.

[Brian Skies]

a lot of that depends on what Ginngie knows about Fakegod's meta, which I don't know if it has ever been revealed or not.

Why does this matter?

Kaede has a significant amount of experience with Fakegod setups. They're significantly more likely than most other mods to be unique in some way and have role interactions/focuses that aren't usually seen. I actually don't know how much she knows about the multiple-role thing since I don't know if she's been in any of them, but I don't think the vote on grapes is indicative necessarily because the role-processing thing only happened after Ginngie claimed.

Pretty sure she's already admitted to being in those games, and I can attest to at least one of them.

Ginngie and Grapes claimed at pretty much the same time. What's your point? Also, even if Ginngie didn't claim and she didn't process those other games, does her snap cc then look worse to you? Why?

Also, beyond the 'preemptively making excuses' thing you mentioned, which probably isn't as scum-indicative as you'd like it to be, what other issues do you have with how she's handled her claim?

[Brian Skies]

I don't care about your nonexistent opinions, Ginngie.

When you have some, then I'll listen.

[Brian Skies]

it matters because if Ginngie is aware that Fakegod is a fan of having a lot of the same role in games, then it makes more sense for someone with the same role as the one claimed to scumread the slot calling the claim itself scum.

I think he claimed experience from other games (like a Mastina game). But I still don't know why this matters (considering the context that he's admitting to have seen duplicates of other roles).

Anyhow, I know I'm the one who brought it up, but it's probably not a good point to continue pursuing this.

the timing is the point. take a look:

Okay, but like, how does this mean her handling of her claim is scummy (or at least scummier than Ginngie)?

[Brian Skies]

I didn't response to the point about it being likely that she'd be killed/roleblocked because that's the type of thing that's impossible to tell for sure without having a night phase or two, I find it more likely personally from her earlier play that it's more likely she's trying to justify being messed with role-wise

this entire tangent independently was my response to you saying she's more likely town because of the grapes-vote

I mean, sure? I get that. But I also don't really see how this lock-scum's her, especially in the absence of the Grapes/Ginn claims. I still feel like those are reasonable expectations to have had once she claimed.

Yeah, I know. I wouldn't say that I think it's a towntell or anything, just that between the two players' reactions between the various claims, I like Sakura's more than Ginngie's.

I also asked you what aside from her 'preemptive post' (if anything) makes you think her handling of her role is scummy, because I'm pretty ambivalent about that in general.

Also, I see you're townreading Ginngie. Why? What has she done that's so town for you (other than POE)?

[Brian Skies]

Sporadic and emotionally inconsistent

I'm not a great emotional reader, which is why players like Kaede tend to get stuck in my null area or I ignore them.

However, as far as emotions go, unless you're a robot (like CrashTextDummie who I haven't seen in forever or someone similar), emotions can generally be unpredictable and volatile.

If you still feel like her emotions and the changes in her emotions are scum-indicative, then I'd love more specific examples so I can talk about them with you.

[Brian Skies]

If I get home early enough I'll see what I can do
You might not be here either though

I'll be here for at least he next four hours. I can't promise anything after that, not even being around for deadline.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Moment

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Ginngie

I would like an Andriod vig.

[Brian Skies]

You think Ginngie posts that with Android as a scumbuddy?

Yeah, sure. Why not?

[Brian Skies]

I dunno. It feels like scum waiting to see which direction the wind blows in before committing on pushing/joining android?

I fail how to see this makes Andriod town, regardless of Ginngie's flip.

Also, I think Andriod is scummy independently of Ginngie's alignment.

[Brian Skies]

Why would you die overnight?

[Brian Skies]

If Ginngie flips scum, Ank would also be an okay vig target.

[Brian Skies]

Not really.

[Brian Skies]

I don't actually care about Katsuki's claim.

Also, Ank is still trying to hard-defend Ginngie, which I find hilarious.

[Brian Skies]

especially since i visited muffin last night

This is a counter claim

Maybe he's just claiming scum.

[Brian Skies]

@Nosferatu ?

Can somebody on wagon unvote

No, stop stalling.

Muffin is probably turning over in his grave right now.

[Brian Skies]

Like, if it's that serious to you, just ask Nos if he was being serious.

And if he was, then he's still in Purr's vig pool anyway. And we were probably going to lynch him anyway since he's on Muffin's purge list.

[Brian Skies]

He's too busy admiring his gravestone from the afterlife anyways as it's decorated in cupcakes with the engraving of CUPCAKES > MUFFINS

Actually, any way you think about it, him dying before you probably means Muffins > Cupcakes.

[Brian Skies]

Blame Dunn and Nos.

Especially Nos for CC'ing and STILL sheeping you.

[Brian Skies]

I also think he was probably joking.

But Dunn is super locked into setup spec this game for whatever reason and it's fun to mess with him.

[Brian Skies]

Ginn + Ank + Andriod

???

Can we make those happen?

[Brian Skies]

Ginn + Ank + Andriod

???

Can we make those happen?

I personally think it's Dunnstral based on what I saw from him. He was my strongest D1 scumread and his posting this day has been p bad too.

Okay, sure. Maybe it's a four-scum game.

[Brian Skies]

Somehow a 9 person wagon on town formed to counter a 4 person wagon on scum, while 2 scum saat around doing nothing?

That's because it was a forced deadline lynch caused by a bunch of players that couldn't/wouldn't compromise or be expected to do anything (like playing the game cough* Mastina cough) or be counted on to even show up at deadline (Moment, Andriod, maybe other people).

[Brian Skies]

That makes a lot of sense since I visited mastina cupcake

I would also like to point out how, instead of checking literally anyone else (like Andriod who indicated he was a PR), Ginngie went ahead and 'visited' someone who claimed to be basically conftown

tomorrow

.

[Brian Skies]

Nos, if you're being serious about visiting Muffin, is there a reason why you can't claim?

[Brian Skies]

I thought it was called Minuet's Trio because there's three main characters.

[Brian Skies]

Maybe there's a Day 7 IC.

[Brian Skies]

Nos, if you're being serious about visiting Muffin, is there a reason why you can't claim?

I mean why do I have to

it's kinda secondary to the issues at hand.

Okay. New question.

Do you think it's possible for there to be any merit in what Katsuki claimed today?

[Brian Skies]

Nos, if you're being serious about visiting Muffin, is there a reason why you can't claim?

I mean why do I have to

it's kinda secondary to the issues at hand.

Okay. New question.

Do you think it's possible for there to be any merit in what Katsuki claimed today?

no lol I thought that was self-evident

I just had a theory. :3

[Brian Skies]

Ginn + Ank +

Nos

Dunn

???

Can we make these happen?

[Brian Skies]

Oh wait, I think I had Andriod there before.

I don't have space for him right now, he can be included if one of those flip town.

[Brian Skies]

ya im just bored i need someone to throw hand grenades at me

[Brian Skies]

You mean my reads that I've had since yesterday?

You don't say.

[Brian Skies]

Yeah, I don't really like this avatar. Isaac is super scummy. But it's hard to turn down an in-thread hydra with Muffin.

[Brian Skies]

That makes a lot of sense since I visited mastina cupcake

I would also like to point out how, instead of checking literally anyone else (like Andriod who indicated he was a PR), Ginngie went ahead and 'visited' someone who claimed to be basically conftown

tomorrow

.

Well really he visited someone who was going to say "well here's why I went with this fakeclaim" in a huge wall with a vote on some rando tomorrow

Why not just wait though? Either Mastina confirms herself or she doesn't.

[Brian Skies]

Yeah, I don't really like this avatar. Isaac is super scummy. But it's hard to turn down an in-thread hydra with Muffin.

well muffin's dead now so

But his avatar still lives on.

[Brian Skies]

Somehow a 9 person wagon on town formed to counter a 4 person wagon on scum, while 2 scum saat around doing nothing?

I still think this is one of the most hilarious observations I've read this game.

You can repent by revoting Ginngie.

[Brian Skies]

How do you guys even plan on playing this game out after Ginngie's scumflip?

Lynching Ank probably.

[Brian Skies]

That's nothing new. Nacho's entire scumteam once pushed me because I my role caught the scum godfather in a lie. My wagon was entire scumteam + honourary scum DESPBROS

Please Cupcake.

I'm still trying to erase that game from my memory.

[Brian Skies]

That's nothing new. Nacho's entire scumteam once pushed me because I my role caught the scum godfather in a lie. My wagon was entire scumteam + honourary scum DESPBROS

Please Cupcake.

I'm still trying to erase that game from my memory.

The saddest thing was, after that 200 pg D1, and me not reading anything that game, I still managed to catch most of the scumteam. Definitely one of the most unpleasant games to play in due to all the fluff.

Yeah, I skipped most of that game and still helped my partner figure out EVERY scum on Night 3. I just feel bad for abandoning him after that since he just ended up getting ignored and flaking.

The worst part was I had a DIRECT HARD GUILTY on other lying scum on the day before LYLO and town wanted to lynch other town that wasn't being CC'ed at all instead before letting the scum flashlynch me the next day.

Smh.

[Brian Skies]

Kokichi, can you vote Ginngie please?

If Ginn flips town, I'll vote/push whoever you want me to for the rest of the game.

[Brian Skies]

I can't believe we are literally letting Kaede get away with the fact that she checked not only her CC, but the only PR claimed, which is convenient for a 'vanilla' cop.

?

Ginngie, Mastina, and Katsuki have all claimed PR.
Purr kind of indicated it, but wasn't really what I was expecting.
Andriod indicated it as well.

[Brian Skies]

I don't think that's what she meant, but lol.

[Brian Skies]

What if I wanted to play hangman with you?

[Brian Skies]

Silly Ginngie, questions don't have any gravitational pull.

[Brian Skies]

Can you guys chill until I get home please

katsuki's claim looks like a gambit at first glance

I might be biased due to last game tho

It's blatantly a gambit that is getting scum-sheeped

I don't actually care about Katsuki's claim.

Also, Ank is still trying to hard-defend Ginngie, which I find hilarious.

Brian is a great vig too, this misrep is awful.

Oh please, you and I both know that you don't make 1732 unless your intention was to derail the Ginngie wagon.

[Brian Skies]

well

you're using meta as a case against me, so you should be able to figure out why that's town if you use it properly

I'll give you a hint:

(I don't try to derail the Ginngie wagon as scum. Maaaaaaaaaaybe if Ginngie was town, but not if Ginngie is also scum)

When have I used meta as a case against you?

The only person I've used meta on as a case against them is Nancy. Who by the way still had that ridiculous townread on you for townreading her even though you did nothing of the sort.

[Brian Skies]

I should also point out how your scumread on Kaede has magically flipped now that people aren't super hard on lynching her right now.

Whereas yesterday you were determined to flip the lynch back onto her instead of her counterwagon who was...wait for it... GINNGIE!

[Brian Skies]

then why do you say I wouldn't make that post unless I wanted to derail the Ginngie wagon?

Because, why else does one say 'scum are riding Kat's gambit' unless you're intention is to stop, stall, or derail the wagon?

Your comment implies Ginngie town. Don't even try to pretend otherwise.

Meta has nothing to do with it.

[Brian Skies]

...you mean the wagon I was supporting well before Ginngie was wagoned?

Well, I did say I was only loosely reading those pages.

[Brian Skies]

okay

why does this = scum though

(:

Figure it out yourself.

[Brian Skies]

Anyhow, I'm bored of this. I'll be gone for the rest of the Day Phase.

Figure out whatever you all need to and then lynch Ginngie.

[Brian Skies]

You KNOW, Ginngie is also refusing to answer the reason why they targeted mastina because "OH NOES KATSUKI WONT ANSWER MY QUESTION"

Wrong!

Ginngie won't explain because Kats won't agree to answering a question immediately that Ginngie hasn't even asked yet.

[Brian Skies]

im quite frankly amazed you guys even want the question when the answer is grilled cheese sandwiches cut diagonally

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Ankamius

Pretty sure I was promised this.

Also Nos is town.

[Brian Skies]

Mastina needs to confirm herself or whatever.

And then we can rope Ank.

[Brian Skies]

More importantly why didnt u block Nos, you said yesterday they were scum.

...eh, fuck it

I'm a double jailkeeper

It's a lot more important to ensure that I'm going to survive another day than to try to heromode a scumkill block, since me dying is far more damaging to town than whatever scumkill was going to go through otherwise

I jailed Purrcocet because duh
I jailed Katsuki because both actions were beneficial; it stops a scumkill on Katsuki, which is reasonably likely based on the muffin kill night one. It also stops Katsuki from making the kill himself, since I would bet money that any scumteam with Katsuki on it would send Katsuki to send in a kill.

This is a public service announcement to not believe this claim.

Thank you.

Mastina still needs to confirm herself. We can lynch Ank after.

See you all tomorrow.

[Brian Skies]

Also Nos is confirmed town. Don't ask me why, he just is.

If you can't believe it, you can lynch me first.

[Brian Skies]

Go ahead and explain where the fuck Purr's vigkill went then, Brian

unless you want to say that Purrcocet and scum both killed grapes

Do I believe the vig was blocked? Yes, most likely.

This doesn't make you town.

Anyhow, I have nothing to say to you, and I expect your flip once this day is over.

Also, stop voting conftown, unless you just want to die that badly.

Goodbye now.

[Brian Skies]

Ginn

+ Ank + Andriod

???

Can we make those happen?

[Brian Skies]

Very bad vote Ank is a slot that self resolves if you believe ank is scum you go for the partner and we leash the roleblocks .

This is awful.

Just lynch Ank.

There's no need to leash a 'double rber'. Also there's no way that exists.

I would tell you to actually think about how silky it is, but you're probably the last scum anyway, so...

[Brian Skies]

Very bad vote Ank is a slot that self resolves if you believe ank is scum you go for the partner and we leash the roleblocks .

This is awful.

Just lynch Ank.

There's no need to leash a 'double rber'. Also there's no way that exists.

I would tell you to actually think about how silky it is, but you're probably the last scum anyway, so...

Why is Ank scum? I see you're going to continue your trend of never explaining anything but worth a shot.

I can explain it if I need to, but really should be obvious. Also we have an 'investigative guilty' on him.

[Brian Skies]

I believe Ank is town I can see these actions coming from town and scum but the second post has sold me that ank is town. If it really is 2 scum left Ank would be trying to survive more. I think it's 4 scum because if this whole brain/Nos/Ank thing leads to some scum it makes no sense for brain to defend his last partner it's a death wish. I do scumread brain and want to see where it goes.

Also you should explain what's so townish about Ank's reactions or why you're even entertaining the claim.

Also why you think Nos/Kat/I are serving ourselves up on a platter is more likely than Ank just being scum here.

[Brian Skies]

Also, explain how Ank

isn't

trying to survive more here? None of this makes sense.

[Brian Skies]

Because Ank isn't playing to survive there still trying to find scum. I doubt Ank would claim those targets as scum either it's not doing them any favors. I see the logic ank is going with and it makes sense. Just because they didn't jail Muffin doesn't mean it's lock scum. Kat isn't serving himself he's fake claiming, I don't really know or care what nos ali is I just scumread you more and if you flip scum I may look at Nos.
Pedit: You don't need to claim double jail keeper when you can just roleblock and protect said vig claim. That's a much better action then claiming double jailkeeper and moving the vig around

The double jailkeep is his way of explaining away the missing vig shot and the investigative guilty on him. It's not his actual role.

If you want to know why I'm scumreading Ank, just read through his iso and see how he treats both his Ginn read and how he interacted with the Ginn wagon yesterday. I don't really care yo explain past that since others are able to see it too (and you don't care to ask them anyway).

I also think you're scum anyway and I don't feel a need to talk to you. So figure it out yourself.

[Brian Skies]

Also someone is talking to me and I'm being distracted so I'll return later, if the thread is still open.

[Brian Skies]

this confirms ank isnt a scum rb

i didnt say it confirms her alignment

Lol. Whatever you say.

[Brian Skies]

If Nos is town, than so are Katsuki and Brian. If all 3 are town, than they don’t frame Ank.

Nos is definitely town yes. Cupcake and I aren't clear, but you should still probably sheep us.

[Brian Skies]

Okay, Mastina is here now. Please lynch Ank.

Thank you.