Mini 2014: Succinct Mafia (Over)

[Momrangal]

In fact, I'm guessing one scum each on either CW.

Fitz is a CW, so he's prob Town. Wis is Town this game.

{Fuzzy, Dunn, Mom}?

Why is the converse not true?

Also why noting the Fitz wagon and not the eevee one?

[Wisdom]

I actually did explain them.

1) I’m reading Fuzzy as scum.
2) I’m reading the Eevee and Fitz counterwagons as Town.
3) My guess is that there’s one scum on each CW. This is the part that’s a stretch, and is a blind guess. Wis is right that it’s not really good scumhunting.
4) I’m reading Fitz and Wis as Town.
5) That leaves two in {Mom, Cakez, Dunn}
6) Cakez seems to want to solve.
7) Dunn and Mom are scum with Fuzzy. Gamesolve.

Frankly, Dunn trying to paint that read as baseless suggests I hit a nerve.

no, this is reaching because you're assuming flips to push a narrative. Dunn is right.

[Momrangal]

I already stated my thoughts about FITZ, please go back and read. And are you defending Hiraki? the question is why not?

No.

This is what I'm saying. The behaviors of the two aren't totally different from the other, so why is Hiraki scum of his play and Fitz isn't especially considering you had Fitz leaning scum.

What's changed?

[MathBlade]

Math...why is fuzzy scum aside from meta?

Fuzzy...why aren't you doing anything? ffs. Who's scum. Who are you inclined to vote?

Because Fuzzy is blatantly not hunting and when he does try to post something it comes out as obvious bullshit.

Wisdom’s critique is crap. Furthermore he only does it to Pine not AA9.

arc has been steadily scumreading hiraki and i agree with her
what would i critique her for?

You argued Pine’s reads/thoughts were bad because of preflip. In 367 (quoted for you) ArcAngel does the same. Why is AA9 getting a pass and not Pine hmmm? Is it because Pine is voting your buddy?

If fuzzy flips or Eeve flips town, there has to be at least one scum in each of their wagons.


TheFuzzyLogic99 - 4 (LuckyOtter, MathBlade, Pine, Kokichi Oma)
EeveeLution Army - 3 (SirCakez, Dunnstral, havingfitz)

you are forcing conclusions and making me suspect you

base your scumreads on counterwagons when you have a flip, not before

[Momrangal]

Pine is held to higher standards

[Wisdom]

no its because arc isnt trying to push narratives
pine literally made up three scumreads based on it and proposed its the scumteam

[MathBlade]

Wisdom holds EVERYONE to high standards.

I reject your argument and replace it with reality. Pine is town.

[Pine]

Pine is held to higher standards

Flattered. *blush*

In fact, I'm guessing one scum each on either CW.

Fitz is a CW, so he's prob Town. Wis is Town this game.

{Fuzzy, Dunn, Mom}?

Why is the converse not true?

Also why noting the Fitz wagon and not the eevee one?

I did assume the Eevee wagon. However, Eevee isn't in the PoE to find the scum on one of the CWs.

Again, easily-disproved and one-dimensional discrediting of my reads makes me think I'm on to something.

[MathBlade]

no its because arc isnt trying to push narratives
pine literally made up three scumreads based on it and proposed its the scumteam

Arc is 100% pushing a narrative there.

One scum on one scum off is a split scum narrative.

Pine is town for following their IMHO flawed conclusions to where they end up.

[Wisdom]

arc wasnt proposing any specific player was scum, so no
pine very much was

[Pine]

no its because arc isnt trying to push narratives
pine literally made up three scumreads based on it and proposed its the scumteam

You've got the order of operations flipped, bro. I made assessments, those gave me scumreads.

This is like...normal stuff. I didn't really do anything weird here. Disagree with me, sure, my logic may be (probably is) flawed, but it's at least orderly.

[Dunnstral]

You conjured up a scumteam of 3 using no associatives, just "scum are on different wagons"

[Pine]

Besides, I don't do that even when I am scum...it's way more efficient and stealthy to latch on to weak Townies than go the hard route of inventing deduction.

PE: Associatives are completely unnecessary.

[Wisdom]

what i know is your read on fitz is bs and your read on hiraki is inexistent

since you wanna talk scumteams, im seeing pine/fitz/hiraki here

until next page

[MathBlade]

I could say 24 scum on a wagon if Fuzzy flips town. It would be factually false but I am indeed pushing a narrative scum dogpile on a wagon.

That’s literally what preflip is.

Pedit doesn’t matter.

A

narrative

is what you argued is bad, not that Pine used it to determine a scum team.If it’s not the narrative you have a problem with you’re argument with Pine is invalid. If it is the narrative then AA9 deserves the same.

You don’t get to move the goal posts because Pine is voting obvScum and you won’t.

Peace out til next page.

[Dunnstral]

Besides, I don't do that even when I am scum...it's way more efficient and stealthy to latch on to weak Townies than go the hard route of inventing deduction.

PE: Associatives are completely unnecessary.

I mean, I could see that happening with Fuzzy here anyway, especially since he doesn't seem to fight back against anything

You could also be bussing while stirring something up to get the votes to change

I don't think your deduction was anything above random chance and you pushing the angle of striking a nerve with me shows you don't have a real argument to push your theory through

[havingfitz]

Because Fuzzy is blatantly not hunting and when he does try to post something it comes out as obvious bullshit.

He doesn't do this as town?

[havingfitz]

Yeah sure. You're the best wagon because I am an omgusser.

Keep pretending I didn't show my progression of thought regarding your slot though.

I didn't say you were omgus voting me...I asked if you were. And if saying I'm not "critically thinking" is your progression between being on the fence on me and voting me....that's a shit progression.

Let's also pretend I didn't already explain why those three beginning scum reads were bad, even in isolation of each other.

My scum reads are fine and independent of each other and came nefore you wrre on the fence. What does "even in isolation" even mean? smh...

And your ad homs came after I suspected you so mice accusation by you of the contrary.

[Hiraki]

None of my reads have changed.

vote to implement deadline

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Dunn- If I knew who was scum I would vote for them......When I wrote that I was tied for being lynched.

Otter- You are trying way too hard to find contradictions where there is zero.....
1) Lynchbait is my basic operating system. I am not trying to be lynchbait .
2) Maybe you should actually read your post. In337 you specifically asked why I did not vote for anyone ..as well for asking for my reads

Otter seems like trying way to hard to find contradiction. Part of me feels like he is scum trying to lynch me. I guess he could be town just scum hunting badly

Also i think Math is towm........


Math- Just saying I think there is scum on my wagon. I guess I was being hyperbolic. Yes I am skating by, I glad you can read my mind so you know that I am doing it on purpose and that I am wanting the other player to ignore me. Sorry you cant read my mind so please don try to attribute motivation .

Pine- Why do you think if I was town i would be lynched. Why cant scum not just momentum. Its not like all three scum is going to jump on my wagon/.
Wow you must be Sherlock Holmes .....Figuring out the whole scum team on day 1 without any flips. This is bordering on the edge of trying to set up multi lynches/Pine who would you vote for tomorrow if I am lynched today ( and I flip town in which I will)

[LuckyOtter]

Hiraki, you still haven't offered a read on Fuzzy, though.
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Fuzzy:

1) Lynchbait is my basic operating system. I am not trying to be lynchbait .

Then why ask math to consider that you are trying to be lynchbait? :

I think that he is ignoring the possibility I am town and I am am just getting run up by scum ie

I am playing as lynchbait this game

.

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2) Maybe you should actually read your post. In337 you specifically asked why I did not vote for anyone ..as well for asking for my reads

I know I did, and I said so:

The bolded bits don't line up:
- 'Sorry y'all I'm not doing my best'
- 'But what if I'm just playing as lynchbait?' (Contradicts previous statement: If he meant to be playing as lynchbait he'd have nothing to apologize for)
- 'Don't feel confident in voting someone atm'

I didn't just ask why he wasn't voting anyone, but also if he had any reads yet.

His statement on Pine's playstyle is NAI (and Pine already addressed it). Light shade thrown at Wisdom but is pretty hedgy. If he were trying to play as lynchbait, we shouldn't have to ask him who he thinks the scum are running up his wagon. If he's not trying to play as lynchbait, why even bring it up as a possibility?

I have more thoughts on this but want Fuzzy to respond to Dunn first.

This feels like you're trying to discredit my argument that you've made a major contradiction.

Also, the light throwing of shade at Pine without actually reading him is bad.

[Momrangal]

Wisdom holds EVERYONE to high standards.

I reject your argument and replace it with reality. Pine is town.

If you honestly believe he would hold someone like say... Regfan on the same level as mmmm... Loki then you are beyond help.

Yes he does hold people to high standards, even those that people over look. Not meaning to demean the play of anybody but one is far more respected then the other for a reason

I did assume the Eevee wagon. However, Eevee isn't in the PoE to find the scum on one of the CWs.

Again, easily-disproved and one-dimensional discrediting of my reads makes me think I'm on to something.

It looks like you're solely looking at the fitz wagon as the only CW to fuzzy from my perspective and, if we were looking at game development fitz wagon happened before fuzzy and hasn't been going anywhere since I made a decision to push it.

I'm also not discrediting you're reads but I am pretty upset in the conclusion to why Fitz is town without any consideration to my questions regarding him, the fact that all he's holding onto is "tone and as homs" to why I am scum while just continually saying my reasons aren't legit.

He just said the lack of critical thinking is NAI when no critical thinking is literally equivalent to not actually scum hunting.

He is steadfast to his original scum reads despite so much happening from when he originally formed it to now. I highly doubt he has zero changes to who could be possible scum.

I also highly doubt he isn't questioning how likely all three of his reads are scum together.

since you wanna talk scumteams, im seeing pine/fitz/hiraki here

No

I wanna talk more about Fitz but I probably should wait until next page

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[EeveeLution Army]

Am i the only one that thinks pine is scum ?

[Hiraki]

Hiraki, you still haven't offered a read on Fuzzy, though.

That wagon comp is terrible

[havingfitz]

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