Newbie 1874 - Game over

[OnlyIAmMe]

vote:fchariot

[Huntress]

Vote Count 1.4

FChariot (3) - Lefty, Ircher, OnlyIAmMe
Lefty (2) - Draynth, FChariot
Draynth (2) - KernelRunaway, UnaBombaH
OnlyIAmMe (1) - stan1ey

Not voting (1) - Iconeum


With nine players alive, it takes five votes to lynch.

Deadline for Day One is Saturday, 23rd June, 9.30 am BST, (in (expired on 2018-06-23 09:30:00)).

Iconeum has been prodded.

[UnaBombaH]

Iconeum hasn't posted at all yet?
I'm going to do a thing today, maybe tomorrow if I get busy at work..

[FChariot]

Where is everyone else?

[FChariot]

I am really sorry for my previous posts, I did not realise the page thing at the top (duh, FC)
Also I really don't know how to do this, since everything I so seems like a bandwagon...
UNVOTE: Lefty

[UnaBombaH]

Has everyone else (not Iconeum obv.) voted someone so far?

If not, get in here. Vote someone. Anyone.
Doesn't matter if it forms a wagon - there's nothing wrong with that.
On the contrary - this game gets running only when we force someone to push for, or defend someone else.

Just try to avoid putting anyone to L-1,

(one vote away from being lynched)

or at least if you do, you are supposed to ANNOUNCE THAT YOUR VOTE HAS JUST PLACED SOMEONE AT L-1.

Other than that, we WANT a wagon to form somewhere.

[Lefty]

@Una do you have a problem with a FC wagon?

This is the second time you’re prompting to start another.

[Lefty]

Also who do you think would be a better vote?

[Lefty]

I am really sorry for my previous posts, I did not realise the page thing at the top (duh, FC)
Also I really don't know how to do this, since everything I so seems like a bandwagon...
UNVOTE: Lefty

Is this your first game ever?

Try rereading the entire thread (it’s not that long) and see if anything sticks out to you. Gather thoughts on players and just try expressing what you think about them.

[Ircher]

I am really sorry for my previous posts, I did not realise the page thing at the top (duh, FC)
Also I really don't know how to do this, since everything I so seems like a bandwagon...
UNVOTE: Lefty

Feels somewhat like town.

Has everyone else (not Iconeum obv.) voted someone so far?

If not, get in here. Vote someone. Anyone.
Doesn't matter if it forms a wagon - there's nothing wrong with that.
On the contrary - this game gets running only when we force someone to push for, or defend someone else.

Just try to avoid putting anyone to L-1,

(one vote away from being lynched)

or at least if you do, you are supposed to ANNOUNCE THAT YOUR VOTE HAS JUST PLACED SOMEONE AT L-1.

Other than that, we WANT a wagon to form somewhere.

Feels somewhat like scum.
VOTE: Bomb

[FChariot]

Yes, I'm sorry, this is my first game ever, and I'm still learning that this isn't town of salem and you don't just follow suit on a lynch vote.
Not comfortable with the fact that iconeum hasn't voted...
VOTE: Iconeum

[FChariot]

From my little bit of experience, I'm thinking that OnlyIAmMe, Ircher, Lefty and KernelRunaway are definitely town, from the fact that they're scumhunting (very actively)...

[Lefty]

UNVOTE: FChariot

VOTE: UnaBombaH

Choo choo

[UnaBombaH]

@Una do you have a problem with a FC wagon?

This is the second time you’re prompting to start another.

I have a problem with no notable wagons happening.
I used to always prompt wagons on myself back in the day just to get the conversation rolling.
But it obviously demanded a lot from me to not be mislynced D1 every time, so I stopped doing it. (although it often helped the whole town in scumhunting)

I do not think I have advocated NOT wagoning FC?

[UnaBombaH]

Feels somewhat like scum.
VOTE: Bomb

..or an IC who wants people to get in on the game?

[UnaBombaH]

Yes, I'm sorry, this is my first game ever, and I'm still learning that this isn't town of salem and you don't just follow suit on a lynch vote.
Not comfortable with the fact that iconeum hasn't voted...
VOTE: Iconeum

This is an example of a "poor" vote IMO.
The reason why I unvoted Iconeum myself, was exactly because they hadn't posted AT ALL yet.
It's not scummy to NOT BE IN THE GAME AT ALL.

[KernelRunaway]

Are there any benefits to a nolynch on D1?

[Lefty]

Are there any benefits to a nolynch on D1?

Rarely. It could be argued that the chances of lynching Town D1 are statistically higher (it always is regardless of what Day) but you’re also not potentially putting Mafia in any danger. It also gives them a free NK, so the only hard evidence produced in the game is directed by scum.

[Lefty]

@Una do you have a problem with a FC wagon?

This is the second time you’re prompting to start another.

I have a problem with no notable wagons happening.
I used to always prompt wagons on myself back in the day just to get the conversation rolling.
But it obviously demanded a lot from me to not be mislynced D1 every time, so I stopped doing it. (although it often helped the whole town in scumhunting)

I do not think I have advocated NOT wagoning FC?

You haven’t commented on it either way but you voted Draynth as a kickstarter and then ask for people just to vote someone, anyone. So you haven’t stood against it directly but you’ve twice promoted activity in a different direction. I felt it was worth pointing out.

[UnaBombaH]

Are there any benefits to a nolynch on D1?

Not for town.

I BELIEVE

it's considered a fact that no-lynching D1 in a newbie game always benefits scum.
I bolded the "I believe", because I can't point you to a source right now, but I think our SE's can also confirm this to you all.

There are multiple reasons for why it is so, and I think one of them has to do with being on "evens" regarding the amount of players alive vs being on "unevens". ("evens" benefitting scum)
One simple reason is that we let the scum dictate who flips first vs we push for the lynch as a group.
Wagoning and lynching always reveals info for town, because we get a flip and can then analyze how and why the wagon formed.

[UnaBombaH]

You haven’t commented on it either way but you voted Draynth as a kickstarter and then ask for people just to vote someone, anyone. So you haven’t stood against it directly but you’ve twice promoted activity in a different direction. I felt it was worth pointing out.

And I think you pointing it out is either towny (trying to generate discussion) or scummy (you might have an agenda there yourself).

I do want everyone to vote someone, or the other way around, ANYONE.
That is the foundation on which we can build this game - we need to force people to vote, have interactions, push or defend others.
What you are doing towards me is a good start, but we need others to chime in on these actions as well.

[Draynth]

Yes, I'm sorry, this is my first game ever, and I'm still learning that this isn't town of salem and you don't just follow suit on a lynch vote.
Not comfortable with the fact that iconeum hasn't voted...
VOTE: Iconeum

First step of sheeping someone is checking that what they're saying is true
(You can ISO -Isolate- someone's posts down at the bottom of the forum)

Are there any benefits to a nolynch on D1?

Not particularly
Lynching anyone is better than not lynching someone D1 because scum just get a free NK
I think I've advocated for a nolynch D1... once? And that wasn't even a Newbie Game. I think virtually every newbie game should have a lynch on the first day, there's a lot of information to be gained from it.

[Draynth]

Time to shake things up!
VOTE: Draynth

@Draynth - who is scum, and why is it you?

Was this seriously saying I'm scum or partly RVS?
If not serious who is actually scum?
If serious why am I scum?

[UnaBombaH]

@FChariot

- why did you unvote Lefty?

@Ircher

- what made you think the post you quoted is scummy?

@Lefty

- your vote towards me included a "choo choo", implying you did it for the sake of wagoning.
Was that your biggest motivation?
Do you think there's any merit in pointing out that first you and Ircher were both on FC, and now on me?

[Draynth]

UNVOTE: Lefty
(was RVS)