Dw I got youIn post 9, Invisibility wrote:oh crap Gosrir Elmer Odels has more
VOTE: Gosrir Elmer Odels
Dw I got youIn post 9, Invisibility wrote:oh crap Gosrir Elmer Odels has more
Idk counter-wagons can be a lot more fun, let's get one startedIn post 28, BlueBloodedToffee wrote: Also, this Lefty wagon looks great huh? More people should join.
Hmm... should I be happy that we seem to have a little friendship blossoming here, or should I be a bit creeped out at the sheer speed of your response?
OK now my vote is serious.In post 84, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:There may be something that tells me you're town - but I want to ignore it for now.
In post 78, BlueBloodedToffee wrote: I don't have much else to say on your wagon - but with the current gamestate I am even more inclined to push you now.
It's pretty clear you had something to add to that wagon. If there is extra info you need to say it, and prove that it doesn't hinder your wagon. You can't just ignore that info, that's flat out anti-town. The town need all the info they can get, and even if it's contrarian to what you're saying, you need to prove why your wagon is good and if it should stand, instead of pushing the wagon whilst hiding info that is vital to that exact wagon.In post 84, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:There may be something that tells me you're town - but I want to ignore it for now.
This helps no one. Mocking players is just going to annoy them, and it seems to me that you're implying I shouldn't have announced that my vote was serious, which makes absolutely no sense.In post 87, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Serious vote alert. We have a serious vote.
Shit's about to go down.
Don't tell people how to vote. You have no authority over anyone's vote other than your own. Don't act like you do.In post 103, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:The voters on the Performer, Gustavo and Garmr wagons should choose between myself and teacher.
Those are the two wagons of choice (hint: choose teacher!) Let's go!
To make a statement. It seemed that BBT was confused as to why my vote was serious, and so I told him exactly why my vote was serious. Him withholding information from the town so he can ignore it. The sidenotes and nothing more/less than what they are, a sidenote. There's nothing wrong with a commentary, as it gets my views out there. That post wasn't made in order to ask questions or provide information (well I'm hoping for BBT to elaborate on his #84 but hey ho), it was more a platform for me to speak my mind on those posts of BBT's.In post 110, Gosrir Elmer Odels wrote:VOTE: BV
107 is a commentary. Provides no information, communicates nothing, asks nothing, leads to nothing. So why make such a long post?
Ok don't OMGUS. I am learning to play this game so let me, being an ass helps no-one. Just because you said 'oh guys I have info on how Lefty's town but I'm ignoring it', it doesn't excuse you from not giving us that information. You're still withholding information whether or not you tell us you have that information.In post 122, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:And again, you would not have known I was 'witholding' informationa had I not stated it openly in a post.
Stop surface level reading and learn to Mafia bro.
I mean being an ass is a scumtell for me. I'll admit it's more anti-town than scummy, but I don't see town motivation in being confrontational, avoiding questions and in general just not giving information away. Scum motivation is in this, as it throws off town and blocks the information that they can work with.Gustavo wrote:Why would scum do this? How do you differentiate scummy vs just being an assIn post 116, ByronVilla wrote:Scumread: BBT - Says stuff with no reason, and then when asked to elaborate he just ignores them or makes a snarky comment. It's probably me having a personal gripe, but withholding information from town is one of the scummiest things you can do imo, and this is a prime example.
I see it as a taunt. I feel like you were going in on Lefty quite hard, and so you felt it appropriate to essentially say 'hey look at my wagon, I have town info on you but I'm still gonna wagon you anyways'. However from both a town and scum perspective I don't really understand why you'd post that message.In post 125, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:You're missing the point Byron.
If I wanted to hide/withhold information - why would I state that I am hiding/withholding information? Instead of just hiding/withholding the information without explicitly stating that I am doing so.
Last time I'm asking this before I conclude you're scum who doesn't want to backtrack on a read.
I'm not voting you purely based on that one post. I'm voting you based on your general attitude towards the game. Now answer my question please.In post 128, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Right, so if you can't discern an alignment from that post then I'm gonna need to know why you're voting me.
Ok let's put what the town gains/loses. Town gains information, and therefore by you not answering we don't get that information. Overall the town has nothing to lose and everything to gain from you answering the question. Just because you're indifferent it doesn't mean you should put your own indifference in front of giving out information to the town.In post 135, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I don't lose anything - but I don't gain anything either so...meh.
I play to win, not to survive. In a worst case scenario when I die, I want to make sure there's enough info left for other townies to pick up the pieces. Also is it bad I don't consider myself good at the game? I feel compared to others I'm quite expendable and it's a better strat to let the experienced players take the mantle come the endgame.In post 155, Tchill13 wrote:if you're seriously voting someone for not talking about a gut read/meta/something they saw this early thats kinda dumb. I could see doing that to someone the day before lylo. You realize the good townies get killed fisrt right? so if you're a good townie and you'd rather actually solve the game... You can't show your hand. You DO have to hold back a bit early in the game. That's just how it is. I can understand you not realizing that point in particular but now that i've mentioned it there's no point in pushing BBT for the same thing. Either you can disagree with my thought and we can discuss that or you can move along and make new reads, if you want of course. Not telling you how to play at allIn post 111, ByronVilla wrote:To make a statement. It seemed that BBT was confused as to why my vote was serious, and so I told him exactly why my vote was serious. Him withholding information from the town so he can ignore it. The sidenotes and nothing more/less than what they are, a sidenote. There's nothing wrong with a commentary, as it gets my views out there. That post wasn't made in order to ask questions or provide information (well I'm hoping for BBT to elaborate on his #84 but hey ho), it was more a platform for me to speak my mind on those posts of BBT's.In post 110, Gosrir Elmer Odels wrote:VOTE: BV
107 is a commentary. Provides no information, communicates nothing, asks nothing, leads to nothing. So why make such a long post?
I played two newbie games, stopped playing, and have played two mini normals before this. I am still learning the game.In post 166, Tchill13 wrote:In post 139, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Byron trying way too hard to sound town there.
Is it really this easy.
Teacher/Byron/???this BBT V Byron is disgusting on byron's part. Demands "other" info from BBT (giving BBT exactly what he wanted, a reaction) claims he's trying to learn the game (join date 2015) jumps for the OMGUS finger pointing immediately (this is where I get my scumtingles, other points could have town motivation to them) and now Byron has made such a big issue out of the mess it can't go ignored. Town usually doesn't jump to OMGUS like that imo in that situation this early in the game.In post 140, ByronVilla wrote:Jesus christ you just love using OMGUS don't you? Learn some respect jesus
My read on you has changed slightly, you're still an ass but scum wouldn't want to be an ass for the most part so you're like a slight scum lean now. (Ay you wanna answer that question still?)In post 249, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Byron, why the change?
Has your read on me changed or is the read on Invis stronger?
Well I don't want to hold onto childish grudges, and if I kept tunneling on you I wasn't going to get us anywhere was I?In post 400, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:At which point he decided to leave it and move onto pastures new (despite the read only changing slightly [his words]).
Well no I felt the fact that you were straying away from giving a simple explanation of a read was too scummy for me to ignore. However after a lot of attempts to pressure this information out of you it seemed like a fruitless venture, and so it was better for me to get information out of other players than to try and pry it out of you.In post 406, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Well, if you believed in the read you had, what does it matter?
Unless you're saying you're entire read on me was 'I don't like this guy so he has to be scum'?
PEdit - Above @BV
Just because I read you as scum doesn't mean I want to lynch you yet. Whilst I hate to admit it, it's a much weaker read than it was, and I want to see what else you can bring to the table before I jump to any more conclusions on you.In post 412, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Yet you retained the read.
How are you planning on lynching scum!BBT playing in this way?
PEdit - Above @BV.
Will reread that now Wave.
Well yeah but that doesn't change the fact he had a null stance on both of us. Usually at the end of a debacle like that some strong opinions will be made, and at least one of the two will have shifted from simply a null read. That didn't happen with Performer, which naturally is going to raise some question marks.BlueBloodedToffee wrote:He did. He said he saw that I thought Byron was scum but didn't see why.
Is that your only (and thus best) reasoning for what is your top scum read on page 17?
Or you got something else to share?
Yeah I was getting that vibe but it seems too obvious for me. I don't see Scum!BBT going out of his way to protect Performer but it's a possibility.In post 427, wavemode wrote:BBT/performer scumteam yea nay?
For that exact reason. A lack of contribution + the contribution they gave so far was shaky.In post 431, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I mean, I'm not protecting anyone.
I'm trying to understand how someone with 5(?) posts can possibly be a leading wagon on page 18 of a game.
I hardly jumped all over it, I said it was a possibility and actually argued against it?In post 435, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:And that's the best reason that 4 people have in this game for their top scum read at this stage? Nah, fuck that shit, scum are all over this.
PEdit - Thoughts on Gus and BV jumping all over it?
What makes Tommy separate from the question marks other than his inactivity?In post 676, Lefty wrote:{Performer, BBT} -> TR
{Garmr} -> Lean Town
{TChill, Nos} -> Maybe Town
{Gus} -> Townie side of null
{BV, Invis, GEO, Wave, Teacher} -> Question marks
{Tommy} -> Legitimate concern
Here's how, the posts are consistent with the way he's been posting. Posts like:In post 795, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Because we have a claim and scum can try and run someone else up. There is no certainty that if Invis isn't the lynch it will fall on Byron.
Not to mention that Byron's 'I like Invis' latest posts' was a load of shit. Looks like overjustification for leaving a wagon. How can he like Invis' latest posts?
In post 774, Invisibility wrote:this has been a bad game for me
In post 750, Invisibility wrote:lol
Whilst being kinda useless, are consistent with the style that Invis has been posting. I feel like Scum!Invis would've flat out just not posted these post, where really he's persistent with them. I understand this isn't the best theory, but my gut just doesn't sit well with this wagon. It feels like a lynch everyone just kinda mutually agrees on, and something that scum can very easily be pushing just to get D1 over and done with.In post 743, Invisibility wrote:lol
Is scum were giving up they wouldn't be making additional posts no? Why claim if they're scum giving up? The motives clash there.In post 797, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Why isn't that scum giving up?
That's reads on half the people in the game how you gonna say he hasn't given reads?In post 700, Invisibility wrote:okIn post 698, Lefty wrote:Could you give a run down on the whole roster?In post 697, Invisibility wrote:townreading Tommy
Or just like top 3-4 reads. Town or scum, with reasons though.
im really tired right now also
BlueBloodedToffee - his playstyle is scummy to me so i really can't trust myself to get a solid read on him right now
Garmr - townreading. his gamesolving attempts don't seem to be fake
Gustavo - townreading for reasons already stated
Gosrir Elmer Odels - i scumread him early for posting fluffy, and after ISO i'm not really convinced that he's town
Nosferatu - i was townreading Nos but i think i doled that out too quickly. currently rests at null
Performer - ISO'd. posting feels very fake and untrying
i have to go now so i'll do the rest later
The rest:
teacher
wavemode
Lefty
ByronVilla
Invisibility
Tchill13
Tommy Egan
Tell me how that comes from literally any player of any alignment bar a jester (which isn't even in this format). I'll wait.In post 805, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Invis, reads?
PEdit - How long ago where those reads? He was threatened with hammer and instead of giving town information he just lol posts.
Tell me how that comes from town. I'll wait.
Well...BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I've just told you.
Were you not reading?
In post 809, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I mean, he gave reads on 6 people - wow I guess? The read on me isn't a read and he includes himself in the 'rest' of people he needs to produce reads for.
BV just tried to misrep me there as well.
In post 810, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:You would do this as either alignment, no?In post 807, Invisibility wrote:i stop taking things seriously when i'm about to die?
BBT you were in Mini 2012
In post 814, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Something real fishy is going on and if anybody wants to flash wagon Byron or Gus I'm absolutely 100% interested in doing that.
You haven't just told me.In post 815, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Byron asking this right after attacking my own post right along thesl same lines is pretty funny.In post 811, ByronVilla wrote:Also yeah Invis you mind finishing up those reads? I'm interested in your reads right now, especially because hammer could be approaching and I feel like seeing all your reads pre-flip could be very useful for us.
If this is the post you're on about, the invis read priority thing isn't AI. If he's giving up he can be town or scum you should know this.In post 799, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I mean after the claim.
The claim is the last ditch attempt to save themselves. After that, it's YOLO. Give away the least amount of information as possible.
I think I asked Invis for reads. If town, why would you not make that your priority. Why 'lol' post instead?
I refuse to believe you can town read Invis off of his posting after his claim.
I swear the recent posts thing was the thing that Lefty was on about when SRing me right? BBT hasn't SRed me based on recent posts, he's just SR me through the whole game so far.In post 823, Tchill13 wrote:the byron read comes from BBT lol.In post 818, Invisibility wrote:finishing up
teacher - scumreading, a lot of his posts contain points that teacher doesn't have to
wavemode - null
Lefty - Town
ByronVilla - feeling a little suspicious because of recent posts
Tchill13 - he's probably town. posting doesn't seem fake
Tommy Egan - is town can't explain have to go kbai
I was at college at this point. I elaborated in 107 when I got home, but it was that specific post that pinged me about BBT.In post 826, Tommy Egan wrote:I see no reason for town to make this post without any questions or outlining reasons other than the quote itself.In post 86, ByronVilla wrote:OK now my vote is serious.In post 84, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:There may be something that tells me you're town - but I want to ignore it for now.
I don't think I qualify for newbie queue, I've played two games as newbie and three games out of newbie so I don't think I can join another newbie gameIn post 826, Tommy Egan wrote:Again gets a bit too edgy, I don't see town hitting out with the defence of leave me alone i'm learning, I mean the fact he's in the normal queue and not the newbie leaves him in a situation of sink or swim and he obviously believed in himself enough to sign up to games outwith the newbie queue.In post 124, ByronVilla wrote:Ok don't OMGUS. I am learning to play this game so let me, being an ass helps no-one. Just because you said 'oh guys I have info on how Lefty's town but I'm ignoring it', it doesn't excuse you from not giving us that information. You're still withholding information whether or not you tell us you have that information.In post 122, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:And again, you would not have known I was 'witholding' informationa had I not stated it openly in a post.
Stop surface level reading and learn to Mafia bro.
I mean being an ass is a scumtell for me. I'll admit it's more anti-town than scummy, but I don't see town motivation in being confrontational, avoiding questions and in general just not giving information away. Scum motivation is in this, as it throws off town and blocks the information that they can work with.Gustavo wrote:Why would scum do this? How do you differentiate scummy vs just being an assIn post 116, ByronVilla wrote:Scumread: BBT - Says stuff with no reason, and then when asked to elaborate he just ignores them or makes a snarky comment. It's probably me having a personal gripe, but withholding information from town is one of the scummiest things you can do imo, and this is a prime example.
I mean of course I'm gonna say the former but yeah I'm trying to play at least a bit more measured after my pretty ridiculous play in the me vs BBT squabble.In post 826, Tommy Egan wrote:This is either town that has taken advice of others and used it wisely or scum that has backed down from a losing battle and i'm not quite sure which.In post 250, ByronVilla wrote:My read on you has changed slightly, you're still an ass but scum wouldn't want to be an ass for the most part so you're like a slight scum lean now. (Ay you wanna answer that question still?)In post 249, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Byron, why the change?
Has your read on me changed or is the read on Invis stronger?
Invis I just feel off about. Feels like they've just bounced around wagons with no real solid reads. Invis, can you give us a readlist if possible (Ideally with reasonings)? You keep saying so-and-so are town/scum but with no real explanation behind each read. Feels like a weirdly safe way of playing that I'm not a fan of.
College in the UK is 16-18 y/oIn post 829, Nosferatu wrote:Are you outside of the US? I assumed that we were the same age.In post 827, ByronVilla wrote:I was at college at this point.
I wanted to avoid a mislynch, and I was getting some big town vibes from Invisibility's last few posts and my gut just felt off about the way that the push had been going. As much as lynching him gave us a lot of info, I would still rather have avoided a mislynch than get the info but get the mislynch.In post 901, teacher wrote: Byron, why did you unvote? Garmr's logic was so clearly right, I just want to know what you were thinking.
Also I think one of these are scum. Ironically I'm on there, but I feel like one of these just parked their vote and rode the wagon out to an easy D1 town lynch. Now I TR Garmr and I'm gonna take myself out, so my lynchpool coming into today is between Performer & BBT. That's obviously subject to change as the day plays out, but I'm gonna have my eyes on those two.
You. I think you put your vote on the wagon to give it some steam, went off on GEO on a bit when the wagon wasn't progressing as you were expecting, and then when the wagon was getting into lynch territory you hopped back on to secure the lynch.In post 919, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:BV, who is the scum that vote parked on Invis early on?
You're the one exception bar the two scum theory, hence why I put the possibility of one in there.In post 917, ByronVilla wrote:Oh yeah I should clarify I think there were either one or two scum on the wagon, most likely two.
You've been doing exactly the same with me.In post 929, BlueBloodedToffee wrote: He is saying anything that fits with his narrative of scum!BBT to try and push my lynch.
Not necessarily. I think my push at the start of D1 was bad, and so I can't entirely disagree with his statement, however right now I'm not doing that.In post 940, Gosrir Elmer Odels wrote:Are you admitting thatIn post 931, ByronVilla wrote:You've been doing exactly the same with me.In post 929, BlueBloodedToffee wrote: He is saying anything that fits with his narrative of scum!BBT to try and push my lynch.youhave been doing that to BBT?
In post 1034, Aristophanes wrote: did i ask bv about 907 yet? if not, i shall now. what made you townread invisi in their final posting and why did you not mention this in your unvote? i don't know how you intended on avoiding their lynch if you weren't going to give a case, and as it it sounds retroactively decided as a reason rather than one you had at the time.
In post 796, ByronVilla wrote:Here's how, the posts are consistent with the way he's been posting. Posts like:In post 795, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Because we have a claim and scum can try and run someone else up. There is no certainty that if Invis isn't the lynch it will fall on Byron.
Not to mention that Byron's 'I like Invis' latest posts' was a load of shit. Looks like overjustification for leaving a wagon. How can he like Invis' latest posts?
In post 774, Invisibility wrote:this has been a bad game for meIn post 750, Invisibility wrote:lolWhilst being kinda useless, are consistent with the style that Invis has been posting. I feel like Scum!Invis would've flat out just not posted these post, where really he's persistent with them. I understand this isn't the best theory, but my gut just doesn't sit well with this wagon. It feels like a lynch everyone just kinda mutually agrees on, and something that scum can very easily be pushing just to get D1 over and done with.In post 743, Invisibility wrote:lol