Mini 2014: Succinct Mafia (Over)

[Wisdom]

VOTE: fuzzy

[Wisdom]

VOTE: arcangel

[Wisdom]

because you ask useless questions

why fuzzy is being wagoned is obvious and so are the post restrictions

[Wisdom]

understand what? what is unclear in the posting restrictions in the op?
why did you feel the need to basically repeat them?

[Wisdom]

VOTE: hiraki

[Wisdom]

use your vote eevee
i dont want to scumread you again

[Wisdom]

dont play dumb to me

i dont want to scumread you if you are town, so play like town if you are town

[Wisdom]

so surprising
do you ever begin a game with me without voting me

[Wisdom]

VOTE: kokichi

[Wisdom]

im town and so is arc most likely

[Wisdom]

what do you mean? you fluffing is nai

but i agree, i cant really play like this either

[Wisdom]

@Wis, wrt 82...do you ever say you're town when you're scum? If fluffing is NAI why the Koki vote?

yes
Because it's a better vote than the one I had before

Wiiiizzzz

I know you can't post as much but don't ignore meeeee

I'm not? You didn't ask me anything.

[Wisdom]

i dont like fitz
his scumleans are based on nai things

i like hiraki and arc
hiraki's articulated read on arc felt good even though I disagree
arc omgusing me is natural for town-her as she's a reactive person mainly based on emotions

<<<

INFRACTION

: Fifth post on a page in under 24 hours; user has been warned. >>>

[Wisdom]

yeah but i still dont see a point of conversation

i said how i feel about arc

[Wisdom]

because i didnt want to be voting hiraki anymore and you felt like a good vote

also i dont really think i can read you anymore

[Wisdom]

yay managed to fail already

[Wisdom]

What NAI things are my scumleans based on wrt you and Eevee?

These:

@Eevee, wrt 77...as much as you value your vote if you WERE to vote it would be me, the person who's possibly posted the least? You've no suspicions up to this point from what content there is from others?

@Wis, wrt 82...do you ever say you're town when you're scum? If fluffing is NAI why the Koki vote?

You having posted the least doesn't mean Eevee is not allowed to scumread you more than people who have posted more. This is no basis for a scumlean.

Me saying I am town is meaningless and thus nai. Me voting Kokichi can be for any number of reasons regardless of what I think of his fluff. This is no basis for a scumlean.

VOTE: fitz

dont post again, Wisdom, fourth post.

[Wisdom]

I assume you havent played with him before?

[Wisdom]

Not a pass, but im not interested in your push there for now as your issues with him are mostly playstyle related

[Wisdom]

bs
you're trying to make it appear like lack of reasons is scummy
you've played enough games to know people can be town and yet not explain a single thing they do

[Wisdom]

Youre kidding me, right?

[If Eevee had said anything to indicate a potential vote on me would have been for ex.  pressure to engage…I would not have thought twice about it.  She did not however hence the suspicion.
 

= "Eevee did not say why hes voting me, so its suspicious"

What I do find suspect is that you vote Koki for no other apparent or stated iirc reason than fluff posting which you yourself admit is NAI for him.

= "You didnt say why youre voting kokichi, so its suspicious"

Yeah youre totally not scumreading lack of reasons.

Dont post again, Wisdom, fourth post.

[Wisdom]

Wtf guys succinct =/= dead thread for 6 hours on a Saturday day 1

thats what happens when i cant post

im not even bothering to answer to fitz's 143. he needs votes.

[Wisdom]

how fun will it be if fitz+kokichi are scum together again

im not liking kokichi much either

[Wisdom]

actually right now I'm at {fitz, Kokichi, fuzzy}

with {Otter, TheBrie, Momrangal} in reserves; the former two because I lack experience to be confident reading and the latter because she's not done much besides a weird attempt to buddy me

I'm more or less townreading everyone else

[Wisdom]

Leaning town on Fitz cause he seems to make sense.

lmao
remind me of this when fitz flips red

see you next page

[Wisdom]

I'm TRing Fitz too.

why? Have you played with him before?

[Wisdom]

i find he actually makes sense as town

granted, i only have one game with town-him

while scum-him found bs reasons to maintain a scumread on me and i feel that's what he's doing here too with his scumreads. his reasoning is bs

[Wisdom]

agreed, thats what i usually tell people who try to argue scumreads on single game meta

but hes still scummier than everyone else so

[Wisdom]

actually right now I'm at {fitz, Kokichi, fuzzy}

This is a cop-out reads list made of easily to scumreads slots

Tell me more what you think about pine

No, its what im feeling based on poe (you also ignored the fact i had three more reads there)

pine feels like town for now

Brie slot gains scumpoints after above post, feels like what scum math would do

See you next page

[Wisdom]

since when does any of you know me to go after easy lynches

ive got people like

singer

mislynched, you know I have the charisma to

scumreading me over such a thing is at least stupid for someone who knows me and the funny part is you all do

[Wisdom]

Initial thought is Wisdom is scum and those slots are town except one OR momrangal is scum afraid of Wisdom. Leaning former

or neither and I am town and right about some of these

I dont like how you're trying to force a dichotomy here and it reads like you're scum with one of them

What are the "hard to read slots" I am allegedly not trying to sort?

[Wisdom]

momrangal was literally in my 6 poe reads so its someone im sorting
cakez is a player im not good at reading so I just resort to default townread him until he gives me reason otherwise
I quicklynched town eevee in the only game I've played with him so you'll understand I am not big in pushing there

also, you cant expect me to really sort people when im limited to posting so little. I sort people through back to back 1v1s that are impossible to happen here. It's a given I'll give off a different vibe when I am forced to play differently.

[Wisdom]

Apologies, madame. she*. I havent seen Wisdom as scum but, do you not see the contradiction wisdom made about me?

What contradiction were you talking about here?

[Wisdom]

there isnt any contradiction in what you quoted

I never said i voted you for your fluffing, others presented it like i did

[Wisdom]

hiraki what is wrong with any of that?

My stances are pretty clear

[Wisdom]

I don't need a reason to vote you
Why are you fixating on that
Votes build up pressure and people were voicing suspicion on you
Given i didnt have someone better to have my vote on, it felt like the thing to do

[Wisdom]

I don't feel like your questions and statements have any real purpose.

How does voicing an opinion on fitz (that he makes sense as town and here he doesn't) not serve a purpose?

How does answering kokichi's question not serve a purpose?

How does me explaining that i cant fucking play with 4 posts per page and that youre going to inevitably think im different not serve a purpose?

How does me trying to read arc not serve a purpose?

^what you quoted off memory

see you next page

[Wisdom]

Wisdom just kind of shuts down (150). That’s the part that bothers me the most out of all this.

A little context since you havent played with me again

I do not like to talk with scum longer than necessary. Experience taught me that the longer i talk with them the more other people townread them.
As such, i prefer to cease 1v1s before that happens.
This goes double in this game whete i cant even post as much as i want in order to get my view across the way i want.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: fuzzy

[Wisdom]

Don't like Wisdom's 102....feels like it's making excuses and infer's a PL vote on Koki.

You continue taking things out of context. "I dont think i can read you anymore" was an answer to kokichi's question, not an extra justification for my vote (which you are presenting it as when you say i want to PL him).

125...feels like a soft defense of Eevee by Wisdom.

It kind of is. Do i have to repeat myself on why im not eager to scumread eevee or why this will extend to disagreeing with whoever's shallowly scumreading him based on style?

wrt Wisdom's 178...whether you are scum or town...any reasons given by others (whether they are town or scum) that go against your wincon are going to be called BS.  Show me a case against you that you like.  And you pulling meta based on 1 game is......bs.

No, thats incorrect. I often catch scum by their reads on me - see Kokichi in 2004. There are people who get paranoid of me, there are newbies that scumread my playstyle, and there are scum who bs nonsense reads on me. Ive learned to tell the difference.

Wisdom omgus sr'ing Brie's replacement Mathblade as soon as a hint of suspicion comes his way looks bad imo.

Not if you consider that Brie was one of the six in my given PoE list. Or that I know how scum-Math BSs reads and that felt like that.

[Wisdom]

arc youre right after all, hiraki is scum

[Wisdom]

Town: {Momrangal, Dunn, LuckyOtter, Arc}
Nulltown: {Pine, Cakez, Eevee}
Null: {Kokichi, Math}
Nullscum: {Fitz, Hiraki, Fuzzy}

[Wisdom]

Lucky is town
Math, saying scum is in a subset means you townread everyone else. Its not saying nothing.

[Wisdom]

not seeing why you dont like that pine post, i agree with both lines

my scumreads are in nullscum rather than scum because I dont have enough experience with those 3 players to be as confident as I'd like
so although I see scummy things I then go "and what if it's just craptown?"

[Wisdom]

Not seeing Hiraki scumreads in general. Is it for the Wisdom push or what?

well mine is for 266
hiraki feels like he's more interested in shading me rather than sorting me
he acts like hes never played with me and attacks me with crap generic arguments like "wow cant you just sort people by what they're posting?" as if i havent explained i sort people by interacting with them
it just feels like hes ignoring me and just pushing for a mislynch

[Wisdom]

kokichi your vote is still on me
fix it

[Wisdom]

how am i not towny
youre seeing "contradictions" and such bs where they dont exist
im just me
youve played with me enough to where theres no excuse

[Wisdom]

setup is semiopen, theres no vig

[Wisdom]

VOTE: fitz

[Wisdom]

try again

[Wisdom]

voting to implement a deadline

second

[Wisdom]

Unofficial VC

TheFuzzyLogic99 - 4 (LuckyOtter, MathBlade, Pine, Kokichi Oma)
EeveeLution Army - 3 (SirCakez, Dunnstral, havingfitz)
havingfitz - 2 (Momrangal, Wisdom)
Wisdom - 1 (Hiraki)
Hiraki - 1 (ArcAngel9)
Pine - 1 (EeveeLution Army)

Not Voting - 1 (TheFuzzyLogic99)

7 to lynch.

I could vote Fuzzy again but lynching fitz or Hiraki would be more satisfying

[Wisdom]

um nope

[Wisdom]

you are forcing conclusions and making me suspect you

base your scumreads on counterwagons when you have a flip, not before

[Wisdom]

Wisdom’s critique is crap. Furthermore he only does it to Pine not AA9.

arc has been steadily scumreading hiraki and i agree with her
what would i critique her for?

[Wisdom]

I actually did explain them.

1) I’m reading Fuzzy as scum.
2) I’m reading the Eevee and Fitz counterwagons as Town.
3) My guess is that there’s one scum on each CW. This is the part that’s a stretch, and is a blind guess. Wis is right that it’s not really good scumhunting.
4) I’m reading Fitz and Wis as Town.
5) That leaves two in {Mom, Cakez, Dunn}
6) Cakez seems to want to solve.
7) Dunn and Mom are scum with Fuzzy. Gamesolve.

Frankly, Dunn trying to paint that read as baseless suggests I hit a nerve.

no, this is reaching because you're assuming flips to push a narrative. Dunn is right.

[Wisdom]

no its because arc isnt trying to push narratives
pine literally made up three scumreads based on it and proposed its the scumteam

[Wisdom]

arc wasnt proposing any specific player was scum, so no
pine very much was

[Wisdom]

what i know is your read on fitz is bs and your read on hiraki is inexistent

since you wanna talk scumteams, im seeing pine/fitz/hiraki here

until next page

[Wisdom]

Im not voting fuzzy and im starting to suspect otter for shallowness

Not being a team player or even being complete shit at the game doesn't mean fuzzy is scum

Its just sounding like you're pushing a PL now

[Wisdom]

and before the unavoidable "why not suspect math for the same"; i know math is moonlogicky and stubborn, which is why im hardly bothering trying to correct him

[Wisdom]

Yep, hiraki is still scum

Fitz, hiraki, {otter/pine}

[Wisdom]

it is

it feels like youre just scumreading a playstyle

[Wisdom]

If I am scumreading a playstyle so be it. The “playstyle” is so useless as to be an additional scum member.

Thats the definition of PL
Also stop answering for Otter
I know youre just stupid town, otter most likely isnt

[Wisdom]

crazy idea kokichi; fuzzy is also lynchbait

[Wisdom]

Arc vote fitz with us
Hiraki tomorrow

[Wisdom]

as is the one on fuzzy

[Wisdom]

fitz needs more votes
fuzzy voters need to be ignored and/or lynched

[Wisdom]

i knew them too, doesnt make it any easier

[Wisdom]

this is so wrong

[Wisdom]

no because mara doesnt have to convince you youre wrong
You are bad and youll find something else to be loudly wrong about

[Wisdom]

Unofficial VC

TheFuzzyLogic99 - 4 (LuckyOtter, MathBlade, Kokichi Oma, SirCakez)
havingfitz - 3 (Momrangal, Wisdom, ArcAngel9)
EeveeLution Army - 2 (havingfitz, Hiraki)
Pine - 2 (EeveeLution Army, Dunnstral)
Dunnstral - 1 (Pine)

Not Voting - 1 (TheFuzzyLogic99)

7 to lynch.

cakez you disappoint me

4 more votes on fitz please

[Wisdom]

You said that Otter seems shzllow. Curious what makes him more scum just newbtown

Otter is not a newbie
Also newbtown dont play like this

[Wisdom]

IDk Hira and Wisdom we can lynch someone who is somewhat sketch and barely helpful and move on or keep waffling in apathy for another week.

Or you can vote fitz

[Wisdom]

then how about you sheep me

fuzzy is lynchbait just like eevee

[Wisdom]

who is scum when Fuzzy flips green, math?

[Wisdom]

you just played with scum me, you cant possibly think im scum here
your hunting is beyond lazy to inexistent

[Wisdom]

Then all you have to do is vote fitz

[Wisdom]

No, pine, it forces the other to detunnel and think their perspective might be wrong

[Wisdom]

fuzzy vote fitz please

[Wisdom]

Vote Sir Cake

out of everyone here he seems to ring the most scummiest, I can not see anyone that reads 525 and not get atleast a tinge of scum

Opportunism

Not sure why you're so adamant against a Fuzzy lynch, Wis

There are eevee and fitz counterwagons yet a cakez vanity vote is opportunistic? Come on.

[Wisdom]

I dont make cases fuzzy
Read my interactions with him when they happened, they contain all you need

[Wisdom]

standard tie resolution is the wagon that reached most votes first is the lynch

[Wisdom]

Unofficial VC

havingfitz - 5 (Momrangal, Wisdom, ArcAngel9, Dunnstral, Kokichi Oma)
TheFuzzyLogic99 - 4 (LuckyOtter, MathBlade, SirCakez, Pine)
EeveeLution Army - 2 (havingfitz, Hiraki)
Pine - 1 (EeveeLution Army)
SirCakez - 1 (TheFuzzyLogic99)

7 to lynch.

3 days 19 hours left

Two more votes needed please

[Wisdom]

Scum saving himself.

Yep thats because he hasnt voted any of his counterwagons until now
youre better than this

[Wisdom]

thats why*

[Wisdom]

dude move back to Fitz

[Wisdom]

What the fuck is wrong with all of you

We let him live, if hes cop scum kill him, if not hes forced to conftown someone

We absolutely dont lynch a cop claim

[Wisdom]

again, even if hes scum theres benefit in letting him live, he has to provide a result tomorrow

While if hes town we'll be lynching our cop

[Wisdom]

dont they also teach not to stupidly tunnel in that queue? looks like youve skipped a few lessons

[Wisdom]

Youre still not voting Fitz though

If you think NL is bad youre not helping it not happen

[Wisdom]

just give it a day

[Wisdom]

VOTE: fuzzy

[Wisdom]

its called deadline hammer
but keep thinking im scum

[Wisdom]

sorry fuzzy, i did what i could
you didn't help matters with your play

[Wisdom]

Fitz is definitely scum and then theres at least one in the people that tunneled on fuzzy - my bet is luckyotter. And then the last one is prolly hiraki

see you tomorrow

[Wisdom]

VOTE: magna

lets lynch actual scum today

[Wisdom]

oh my bad, thought magna replaced Fitz

VOTE: umlaut

[Wisdom]

I feel like the overall problem with reads in this game is the assumption of inability to make mistakes this game.

Vote: Eevee

this is still scum
If we don't lynch Fitz slot this should be the lynch

[Wisdom]

Math I'm very close to sheeping magna tbh
Im only not doing it because i know youre bad as town

[Wisdom]

VOTE: math

[Wisdom]

Because Magna refuses to push Kokichi for the same exact issue.

Magna explained his stance on kokichi and this is bs
As is your sudden turn on fitz slot out of nowhere

[Wisdom]

not a fan of this discrediting attempt

maybe lucky is right and umlaut/math are both scum

[Wisdom]

He has not explained it since yesterday. His points equally apply and he leaves Kokichi alone.

try reading again

[Wisdom]

math is the scum in those that pushed fuzzy

umlaut and hiraki are the other two

pine is a wildcard because i cant read him

the rest are town, easy enough

[Wisdom]

Since both he and kokichi are replacing out, pretty sure it has nothing to do with you.

[Wisdom]

he is

[Wisdom]

I remembered at an earlier point but kokichi asking for people to hammer made me forgot

[Wisdom]

whyd you move off math?

[Wisdom]

So here I am still at {Umlaut>Math>Hiraki}.

still this

[Wisdom]

hi people i dont know

please vote math

[Wisdom]

if youre going to read people based on their playstyle we wont have a good time
eevee is town, umlaut is scum

[Wisdom]

nice try but no
Just like titus, math emulates the moonlogicking stubbornness as scum

[Wisdom]

yeah lets vote for the other lynchbait after lynching fuzzy

over three obvious scum

[Wisdom]

^proof hiraki is scum with math
cool footstand so he can 'forget' his math read after eevee flips town

[Wisdom]

Math/hiraki is a given
Im reconsidering umlaut given math's push there but bus isnt that unlikely

[Wisdom]

lol
Previous post you called me scum, now you are basically telling me to not be bad (town)

youre so scum

[Wisdom]

and im thinking you might just be the third scum instead of umlaut

[Wisdom]

vote math instead

[Wisdom]

those reads suck

Why is eevee scum? Have you played with him before? Go read necromancer

[Wisdom]

wolf means scum in some other site

[Wisdom]

Ill reluctantly compromise on pine if that ends up being the top wagon

However math or hiraki are the best lynches

Everyone else im not touching

[Wisdom]

Similarly Wisdom is still scum for not voting his top scumspect

yeah terribly sorry for adapting my reads
you are my top suspect and im voting you

[Wisdom]

next time dont tunnel on my top scumread using bs and youll have better luck

[Wisdom]

not interested. Arc was pretty town in the beginning and she caught hiraki before i did.

[Wisdom]

vote for deadline

can we get a lynch already? this game sucks

[Wisdom]

no she isnt
Have you even played with her before?

[Wisdom]

now if only we could lynch math

[Wisdom]

VOTE: lucky

[Wisdom]

please stop thinking math is dumb town
Shes doing it on purpose
Check her scum meta if you dont know

[Wisdom]

he* his* whatever

[Wisdom]

ill join any of these wagons bar eevee and trinity

[Wisdom]

im spiritually still on it

[Wisdom]

Wisdom, what about Pinewagon?

Votecount

EeveeLution Army - 3 (Dunnstral, Hiraki, MafMen)

LuckyOtter - 2 (Umlaut, Wisdom)
MathBlade - 1 (TrinityNZ)
Pine - 1 (EeveeLution Army)
Hiraki - 1 (Pine)
TrinityNZ - 1 (MathBlade)

Not Voting - 2 (ArcAngel9, LuckyOtter)

6 to lynch.

ill join any of these wagons bar eevee and trinity

[Wisdom]

VOTE: pine

[Wisdom]

Trinity is the towniest slot in the game
Keep claiming scum

[Wisdom]

Trinity is the towniest slot in the game
Keep claiming scum

Wisdom, why did you move your vote off MathBlade if he’s your top scum?

Because i cant lynch him on my own
I already said ill vote for whoever of math/lucky/pine/hiraki has enough votes
We need a lynch

[Wisdom]

not buying it

[Wisdom]

yeah because all claims and all players are the same and context doesnt matter

[Wisdom]

overwhelming scumminess my foot. fuzzy was obvious lynchbait and i said so one million times.
pine on the other hand is actually scummy and his claim looks like an attempt to survive

And i was obviously sarcastic because your arguments are ridiculously bad

[Wisdom]

VOTE: math

[Wisdom]

umlaut you disappoint me

[Wisdom]

VOTE: pine

[Wisdom]

eevee is obviously telling the truth and pine is obviously scum
But somehow im sure youll lynch the jailkeeper again

[Wisdom]

i like you but cakez isnt scum

[Wisdom]

be less shallow pls
i see that more as a soft cc

[Wisdom]

shallow means you are looking at the surface and not in depth
eevee is not the best at expressing himself
That doesnt make him scum
Jk makes way more sense than doc
Pine is way scummier than eevee
Look at the bigger picture without letting eevee's weak playstyle to affect you

[Wisdom]

because doc + cop allows for Follow the Cop
jk + cop doesnt

[Wisdom]

I can buy hiraki/mafmen

[Wisdom]

, correct strategy is to lynch Eevee today to maximize our win probability.

youre right, lynching the jk maximizes the win probability of one side

[Wisdom]

VT here.

[Wisdom]

daily reminder eevee is flipping town

[Wisdom]

don't worry about that, just replace out if you think you can't play

[Wisdom]

yay we lynched both prs
we're rocking this

[Wisdom]

No need to rush, let jingle catch up and lets talk about who pine's buddies are

[Wisdom]

Umlaut believed its Pine/Hiraki/Mafmen
I havent looked at associations but based on poe i can see this being the case

[Wisdom]

5. Lycanfire is very clearly scum.

This is the only interesting thing in your post, which otherwise looks like you are powerbussing caught scum
Talk to me about this and about who else is scum with Pine

[Wisdom]

thats bs and makes me feel better about you being scum

[Wisdom]

VOTE: pine

Jingle and hiraki after

[Wisdom]

it doesnt now
Jingle scumposted enough

[Wisdom]

btw im most likely the kill given the effort jingle put into budddying me, so please dont ignore my reads tomorrow

They cant win if you dont let them