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Post Post #62 (isolation #0) » Wed May 30, 2018 7:08 am

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Man why does this thread already have three pages game just started! :@


Mmmm

VOTE: wisdom
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Post Post #64 (isolation #1) » Wed May 30, 2018 7:12 am

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Maybe now and then.

Let's play! While following rules. I need learn a way to read you since this setting will cause a drastic change to your play.

I don't like. Your push on AA. She is and always had been someone easy to mislynch but I'm not sure of pines comment. It certainly isn't SvS
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Post Post #92 (isolation #2) » Thu May 31, 2018 3:55 am

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Wiiiizzzz

I know you can't post as much but don't ignore meeeee

@mod does the 24 he clock reset from game day or players first post from the day before


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Post Post #93 (isolation #3) » Thu May 31, 2018 3:58 am

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In post 90, havingfitz wrote:Early sl's: Mom, Eevee and Wis.
So basicallyyyyy

Scum is doing a hell of alot of unwarranted theatre game start. Got it!
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Post Post #98 (isolation #4) » Thu May 31, 2018 9:30 am

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In post 95, Dunnstral wrote:So would people vote in deadline or no?

Momrangel, what does post 93 mean?

VOTE: Wisdom
Mmmm...

That's probably a bad vote but what do I know?

Also it means fits reads are bad which isn't entirely surprising but what is, is the fact that he is not really even hunting.

What do you think of the interaction between wiz/evee and then me/wis? Think any could be svs even this early on?

Also! Regarding deadline, not sure we should implement one here right off the bat. Due to the nature of this game it could lead us to a nolynch.


Let's all discuss?

Also just a few more posts till a new page I want to talk to wis and want to hear his thoughts on this
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Post Post #99 (isolation #5) » Thu May 31, 2018 9:37 am

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In post 96, Wisdom wrote:I'm not? You didn't ask me anything.
No I didn't but I was having lovely conversation with you I think.


You should be able to post after this!
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Post Post #162 (isolation #6) » Sat Jun 02, 2018 1:18 pm

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Im perma V/LA every weekend
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Post Post #177 (isolation #7) » Sun Jun 03, 2018 7:23 am

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In post 159, Wisdom wrote:remind me of this when fitz flips red
Mmm I'm not entirely confident in that flip, but I disagree with the notion that he makes sense. As it stands, he doesn't seem to be doing anything out of the ordinary for him
In post 170, LuckyOtter wrote:Then why are you still voting Wisdom?
Good question! Anyone else has comments on this?
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Post Post #186 (isolation #8) » Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:27 pm

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In post 157, Wisdom wrote:actually right now I'm at {fitz, Kokichi, fuzzy}
This is a cop-out reads list made of easily to scumreads slots

Tell me more what you think about pine
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Post Post #187 (isolation #9) » Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:28 pm

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Hey cakeman! Why did you call prods on brie and myself but not one on fuzzy?
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Post Post #192 (isolation #10) » Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:48 pm

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The other three don't pique my interest.

May find it a little odd that the backups are because *paranoia * to an extent sans me.

More curious to why you have pine as town. He seems kinda Iioa-y though I am inclined to be a tad lenient that still lightly pings.

Also at 4
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Post Post #215 (isolation #11) » Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:48 am

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VOTE: mathblade

What ever gives you the impression that I'm scared of wisdom as scum?
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Post Post #223 (isolation #12) » Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:53 am

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In post 177, Momrangal wrote:
In post 170, LuckyOtter wrote:Then why are you still voting Wisdom?
Good question! Anyone else has comments on this?
Maybe I should repost this.
In post 170, LuckyOtter wrote:
In post 98, Momrangal wrote:
In post 95, Dunnstral wrote:So would people vote in deadline or no?

Momrangel, what does post 93 mean?

VOTE: Wisdom
Mmmm...

That's probably a bad vote but what do I know?
Then why are you still voting Wisdom?
Quote in question
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Post Post #245 (isolation #13) » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:08 am

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In post 231, Pine wrote:Otter might be Town
Might be town? He's bleeding town blood all over each and every post that he makes on every post thats ever made. Why do you have reservations on his slot?

In post 235, MathBlade wrote:A bad vote doesn’t necessarily mean that it is a vote on town. It could be scum bad voting their buddy. I don’t think Dunnstral is scum but the whole “why don’t you unvote my buddy irks me”
I know you and your sister are known for moon logic but I'm finding it really hard to believe that you actually came to this conclusion naturally

I actually have
wisdom at a townlean, and it was for a while now
In post 224, LuckyOtter wrote: Pedit: Momrangal, I was just about to ask you about this again. I don't understand your reaction to my question in 177. Do you have a read on Dunn?
It means what I said. You brought up a good point, made a good observation and it shows that you are thinking critically.

An observation no one else seemed to really think anything about. Even after I reposted, only one other person had made a comment on it.

Up until this point however, wisdom is featured in many people scum reads and in a few of those people I could also be scum (math,fitz) depending on how things go. I'm pretty disappointed in the lack of reactions to it, but honestly the lack of them also got my brain churning
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Post Post #246 (isolation #14) » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:11 am

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Oh also, Dunn is a tentative and careful town read at the moment.

Also, Pine. I'm not vibing you this game and you're one of the few people I want to get a solid read on so I guess stop being lazy!
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Post Post #248 (isolation #15) » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:43 am

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Oh hey! I can post again!
In post 216, MathBlade wrote:The reason being is that if you’re scum pushing Wisdom then it’s clearly not for his reads. They are atrocious.
They are. Also im not pushing wisdom. I was talking to him directly, and it's pretty interesting that you think this while saying that I'm scared of him. It makes no sense and like...

If I'm scared of him why would I approach him the way I did? I'm instigating, and continually calling him out to interact with me.

I'm aware that he can pin scum down but I am far more intimate with him than you probably will ever be and I also know that, if left to his own devices and not forced to think through his reads, he gets pretty tunnely and pushes mislynches that way as either alignment.

That was me telling him to step up his game a little, not me saying he's scum for whatever reason you think your mind brewed up.

Also, otter. Thought I already said this but Dunn is a careful leantown read atm
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Post Post #249 (isolation #16) » Wed Jun 06, 2018 5:51 am

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Oh right.

Im also at a kind of impasse. Every time Fitz posts, I am fighting the urge to not push and scum read him
He's just so... Idk. It's pretty weird that the one post he didn't like is the one where his competence is questioned (again) and I feel like he is scum reading me because of that. At the same time, he has no issue in digging into wisdom and straight up mudslings him, saying hes being terrible and horrible for the second time in a row already undermining his competence and considering that his target is him... Welllll


At the same time, he and math (both who are pinging ) are literally pushing the exact same people and which makes them highly improbably scum together.

Both are not really analyzing the game, and even though I can admit that math is kiinnddaaa thinking critically I don't think Fitz is really doing that at all this game. It almost feels like his whole attitude from day start had taken a 180 and I'm wondering if I'm the only one who noticed that
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Post Post #260 (isolation #17) » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:28 am

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I am just feeling all kinds of ignored
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Post Post #324 (isolation #18) » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:28 pm

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VOTE: fitz

This is honestly probably the best wagon.

Math is also probably town.

Unsure of fuzzy though and as for pine, I'm willing t9 give him until tomorrow
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Post Post #334 (isolation #19) » Sun Jun 10, 2018 6:09 am

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Wiz has been on fuzzy all game, and no one isn't doing anything about it because there are other options out there.


Otter is obvobv super duper town, and I guess I can see a bit of IIOA in his posts but like his thoughts are transparent, he's attempting to engage with people and there's nothing confusing about his posts.

What do you think of Fitz?
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Post Post #342 (isolation #20) » Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:17 am

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In post 340, ArcAngel9 wrote:i am not confident on fitz wagon.

Dunn whats your thoughts on Hiraki?
Why?

What differentiates him and hiraki?
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Post Post #343 (isolation #21) » Mon Jun 11, 2018 5:18 am

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Also. The VCs do seem to confirm plurality so

voting to implement a deadline
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Post Post #354 (isolation #22) » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:23 pm

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Yeah sure. You're the best wagon because I am an omgusser.

Keep pretending I didn't show my progression of thought regarding your slot though.

Let's also pretend I didn't already explain why those three beginning scum reads were bad, even in isolation of each other.
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Post Post #355 (isolation #23) » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:27 pm

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All that aside....
In post 249, Momrangal wrote:Both are not really analyzing the game, and even though I can admit that math is kiinnddaaa thinking critically I don't think Fitz is really doing that at all this game

Oh look! I didn't even need to write a reason for why I think your scum because I already did, something you're still failing to do even at this point in time.
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Post Post #375 (isolation #24) » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:18 am

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In post 365, Pine wrote:In fact, I'm guessing one scum each on either CW.

Fitz is a CW, so he's prob Town. Wis is Town this game.

{Fuzzy, Dunn, Mom}?
Why is the converse not true?

Also why noting the Fitz wagon and not the eevee one?
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Post Post #377 (isolation #25) » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:21 am

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In post 360, ArcAngel9 wrote:I already stated my thoughts about FITZ, please go back and read. And are you defending Hiraki? the question is why not?
No.

This is what I'm saying. The behaviors of the two aren't totally different from the other, so why is Hiraki scum of his play and Fitz isn't especially considering you had Fitz leaning scum.

What's changed?
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Post Post #379 (isolation #26) » Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:27 am

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Pine is held to higher standards
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Post Post #396 (isolation #27) » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:29 pm

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In post 381, MathBlade wrote:Wisdom holds EVERYONE to high standards.

I reject your argument and replace it with reality. Pine is town.
If you honestly believe he would hold someone like say... Regfan on the same level as mmmm... Loki then you are beyond help.

Yes he does hold people to high standards, even those that people over look. Not meaning to demean the play of anybody but one is far more respected then the other for a reason
In post 382, Pine wrote: I did assume the Eevee wagon. However, Eevee isn't in the PoE to find the scum on one of the CWs.

Again, easily-disproved and one-dimensional discrediting of my reads makes me think I'm on to something.
It looks like you're solely looking at the fitz wagon as the only CW to fuzzy from my perspective and, if we were looking at game development fitz wagon happened before fuzzy and hasn't been going anywhere since I made a decision to push it.

I'm also not discrediting you're reads but I am pretty upset in the conclusion to why Fitz is town without any consideration to my questions regarding him, the fact that all he's holding onto is "tone and as homs" to why I am scum while just continually saying my reasons aren't legit.

He just said the lack of critical thinking is NAI when no critical thinking is literally equivalent to not actually scum hunting.

He is steadfast to his original scum reads despite so much happening from when he originally formed it to now. I highly doubt he has zero changes to who could be possible scum.

I also highly doubt he isn't questioning how likely all three of his reads are scum together.
In post 388, Wisdom wrote:since you wanna talk scumteams, im seeing pine/fitz/hiraki here
No

I wanna talk more about Fitz but I probably should wait until next page

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Post Post #410 (isolation #28) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:23 am

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Pine also said I was town a page prior.

I feel like he's purposefully tugging at people to see what happens
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Post Post #412 (isolation #29) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:30 am

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Back to Fitz.

He really didn't do more than insult people this game, and hasn't offered any kind of content, or conversation.

Also, to supposedly be scum reading me, I'm "bad " even though I'm scummy. Not only did he do this to me but to wisdom who is someone else he was scum reading.

And in calling us bad he is talking about our reads. He also never pushed any kind of case on wisdom. He just called him bad which straight up discredits him who has a
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Post Post #415 (isolation #30) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:48 am

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I know how scum wisdom!operates. I have Hydrad with wisdom as scum and town

I am far more intimate with him than you probably will ever be and I'm not sold on him this game
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Post Post #417 (isolation #31) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:52 am

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I should... Probably choose my words more carefully.


The point is, Fitz just called him bad and nothing else. Everyone he attacks he just devalues their play regardless of their actual skill.

Also, what's present here is unlike either town and scum wisdom. He can't be read as one normally would read him
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Post Post #432 (isolation #32) » Thu Jun 14, 2018 6:33 am

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Otter is very green, barely a month in and hes reading very green town vs green scum to me
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Post Post #439 (isolation #33) » Thu Jun 14, 2018 12:16 pm

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I don't think I ever want to play with math ever again
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Post Post #443 (isolation #34) » Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:01 pm

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I don't hate him, but he's very taxing to play with. I don't know him personally but I feel similar about his sister who is rather pleasant outside Mafia.

On that note, this is what I acknowledge regarding wisdom and fuzzy.

I would not be defending wisdom as hard as I am if not for math. As it stands, he is null leaning town, but all the arguments against him is complete utter bullshit. Part of me wants to vote fuzzy so math would shut up and stop making baseless associatives.

He keeps saying he has wisdom on BoP and is trying to bus Otter but like...

As I have explained a billion times already Otter is obvitown and I'm not liking cases on fuzzy well enough for me to want to lynch him.

The
only
thing that would make me want to join is the Fitz placement on the evee cw and so that I can stop listening to math try and assert himself.

I also cannot really understand why Fitz only contribution is responding to my posts when he is scum reading me and responding to me only serves the purpose of undermining me (with him as scum ) or literally nothing because I am not going to listen to him (as town). I don't understand why he just doesn't case me to someone he townreads assuming he has more than his original reasons for scum reading me now as
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Post Post #472 (isolation #35) » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:40 am

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LuckyOtter

MathBlade
ArcAngel9
Wisdom
Pine
Hiraki
Dunnstral

SirCakez

TheFuzzyLogic99
Kokichi Oma
Eveelution Army

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Post Post #485 (isolation #36) » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:00 am

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Titus: not offended, just highly frustrated and maybe a little put off. You sit there, and act like you're read is superior to everyone else's and despite me saying I know wisdom better than you do and I am town leaning him here feels both a little like you aren't here to work with anyone else and want everyone to follow your lead. I'm saying your sister has these same tendencies and it's making it hard to try and make for a cohesive town.

Further more, you are making blanket statements that scum are trying to discredit you by saying you are using moonlogic (despite it being a well known fact that it's what everyone thinks) and town is not and agreeing with you.

Not only is that fallacious and presumptive but you aren't taking all factors into consideration and you're acting like flips already occurred.

You're also so convinced of your scum team you're not taking the bad associatives between wisdom and fuzzy into consideration which feels like you're beyond reason.

Hiraki: first off. I. AM. A. GIRL. MOM IS LITERALLY IN MY NAME.

second, I am not Fitz.

Also what do my posts have to do with what Fitz had posted and evees reasoning to wanting to vote him?
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Post Post #512 (isolation #37) » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:26 pm

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Tired rn but regarding fuzzy/wisdom associations

Why in the world would wisdom commit to 's bus then not follow through when the bus gains traction. Not only does he not follow through but he goes from bussing to wking and even chainsawing. He knows that will reflect on him badly if fuzzy flips red and that isn't his MO
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Post Post #549 (isolation #38) » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:45 am

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In post 525, SirCakez wrote:Fuzzy it's not that I think you're super scummy, I could just go either way and you're obviously a divisive person who needs to flip before endgame.
I would move back to Eevee if that got going again FYI.
I still lightly townread Fitz, so I would not go there atm.
OK.

Heres a quick example of wisdom defending townnico and furthermore serves as proof that he does not hold everyone to high standards, but rather holds them to expendable standards.

Scummer in this game. You replaced his slot so you know he was town there, and if you read he eventually town read Nico before they confirmed he and mastina were mason there.

Also, just because he "badly bussed" once doesn't mean he won't irrationally defend town as town, especially when its on such a horrible wagon
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Post Post #550 (isolation #39) » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:50 am

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That last post is to Math and that quote should not be there.

@MOD delete plz?

I'm thinking I'm leaning closer to wisdom!town. I don't recall him doing the "you can't believe I'm scum here" thing he's doing with Hiraki but I know that is a thing he does as town, and scummer in this game, again, is an example of that. I can also pretty easily pull up a few more of his town games which will further prove him town
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Post Post #579 (isolation #40) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:34 am

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Then the red flip will be even more glorious
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Post Post #580 (isolation #41) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:38 am

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In post 551, SirCakez wrote:Mom why OK?
Im acknowledging math?

I mean, I just disproved his whole "wisdom holds everyone to high standards" delusions and wisdom pushing bad lynches is one of the reasons he thinks he's scum.

It's actually probably the base and HOPEFULLY now he understands that his scum read on him is totally off kilter
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Post Post #590 (isolation #42) » Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:36 pm

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In post 588, Hiraki wrote:Who gives me their vote tomorrow when this flips green? Just need one.
Assuming you mean Fitz, I will. That promise is on my baby
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Post Post #616 (isolation #43) » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:18 am

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I cant believe we're actually considering this.

Guys Fitz is logically the better lynch here
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Post Post #618 (isolation #44) » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:21 am

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I took your deal for the Fitz wagon so? Gonna seal the deal?
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Post Post #634 (isolation #45) » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:43 am

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We are not lynching a claimed investigative
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