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Post Post #4925 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:29 pm

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In post 4921, Ankamius wrote:alright let's brainstorm then

where are your reads currently at?
I provided this a while back:
In post 4796, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:
Town:

Me
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Maybe town

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In post 4923, davesaz wrote:
In post 4918, Kaede Akamatsu wrote: Of course everyone wants to be right, but all I care about is solving this fricking game.
If you want help solving, you need to tell these yammerheads to shut up about there even being the slightest possibility of me being scum.
So basically what I was doing and falling on deaf ears, then we have demotivational stuff like dunn just like flat out going against me, for no reason other than "You're still alive so you're wrong"
In post 4924, Ankamius wrote:your scumclaiming

like I said
What, elaborate?
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Post Post #4926 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:33 pm

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OK, after tons of unanticipated distractions, back with what I wanted to investigate.

Dunnstral aside, I think people aren’t giving the nk from last night enough weight in analyzing, so I am going to investigate and deem who I think is most and least likely to have had incentive to kill OTM last night, because usually incentives do play a factor. Let’s review some of his play from last day phase.


Possible incentives

RMOJ: because of ,
davesaz: because of , , , ,
alchemist: because of , ,
wilky: because of ,
punreader: because of

So, if I concluded based on what is presented here, provided I still feel davesaz is town (see below), then I feel RMOJ or wilky are the most likely to have shot OTM last night phase. davesaz, sure enough, has the most content against his case, but as people have thrown out my slot has been lynchbait, and I'm feeling precisely that same way about davesaz based off his play. His play is easy to lynch, which makes it all the more easier for scum to sit back and watch his lynch unfold, while not taking any active part in it. This would buy a scum member/member(s) another day, so it’s an easy plan for them to follow if they are unthreatened. If my theory here is true, and scum is sitting in the background, that would suggest there is only one scum member remaining, and it's either rmoj or wilky.
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Post Post #4927 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:34 pm

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How about OTM was killed because their role was a threat to scum?
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Post Post #4928 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:38 pm

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If you think a ROLEBLOCKER is no threat to a scumteam with ONE MEMBER LEFT, then you arent thinking hard enough.
However if there's TWO MEMBERS LEFT on the scumteam it's less of a threat, so i suppose you'd be able to procure a 2nd scum candidate.
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Post Post #4929 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:39 pm

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In post 4758, davesaz wrote:Agree, and the neighborize targets ended up being useful too.

It should be pretty much beyond doubt that if I had been scum with Maria we could have announced OTM's crumbed target and both been cleared. Maria must have thought she could frame me by being the first to reveal the no result. I'm happy that the ramifications of the matt no result swayed enough people to get Maria lynched.

I agree with wanting to hear from JUNGLE before doing much. There is probably a lot of heavy lifting to get remaining scum. Do we think the team is more likely to be 4 or 5? I think it's on the line and could go either way. Possible deep scum here.
In post 4780, davesaz wrote:
In post 4763, Kokichi Oma wrote:We should just lynch dave I guess? I'm not sure. I'll read and decide. Likely one scum left anyway
Only if you're a complete moron.
In post 4781, davesaz wrote:
In post 4769, Punreader wrote:You know the player this implicates to me?

VOTE: davesaz.
VOTE: punreader
the way this progression happened, mainly

I remember that davesaz' reaction to being suspected for the block thing was a loooooot different than it is here

THIS is pure survivalism

davesaz here isn't coming into this trying to convince people, he's trying to strongarm it

it's a subtle thing, but very real
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Post Post #4930 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:39 pm

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In post 4927, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:How about OTM was killed because their role was a threat to scum?
I concede, that's a fair assumption, but impossibear's role was also a threat to scum, and implicated MariaR, so why not look into that?
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Post Post #4931 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:41 pm

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In post 4930, YT2980 wrote:
In post 4927, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:How about OTM was killed because their role was a threat to scum?
I concede, that's a fair assumption, but impossibear's role was also a threat to scum, and implicated MariaR, so why not look into that?
Before impossibear died MariaR already was a hard guilty however.
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Post Post #4932 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:42 pm

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In post 4929, Ankamius wrote:the way this progression happened, mainly

I remember that davesaz' reaction to being suspected for the block thing was a loooooot different than it is here

THIS is pure survivalism

davesaz here isn't coming into this trying to convince people, he's trying to strongarm it

it's a subtle thing, but very real
Yeah i remember davesaz panicking when i wanted to lynch him instead of matt tho. He wanted to be able to mechanically get MariaR
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Post Post #4933 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:44 pm

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In post 4930, YT2980 wrote:
In post 4927, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:How about OTM was killed because their role was a threat to scum?
I concede, that's a fair assumption, but impossibear's role was also a threat to scum, and implicated MariaR, so why not look into that?
Furthermore, let's remember two points:

wilky is claiming to being interfered with all the time.
impossibear had a strongwilled ability courtesy of alchemist.
Suffice to say that'd give scum enough of a reason to want impossibear dead.
A vig they cant tamper with.
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Post Post #4934 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:44 pm

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it would ruin the plan if matt wasn't sacrificed, kaede
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Post Post #4935 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:45 pm

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Anyway are we gonna wait for Jungle?
As i said earlier im getting inpatient, not waiting for him would mean giving him an extra day coz it's not on him not being able to prove himself today, and this is in case of a dave lynch not ending the game.
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Post Post #4936 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:48 pm

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Or I guess we could always lynch Jungle too.
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Post Post #4937 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:48 pm

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I'd like to be able to finally sort him
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Post Post #4938 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:48 pm

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In post 4935, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:Anyway are we gonna wait for Jungle?
I am waiting until after he posts. And I’d think it wise we all do, to make scum uncomfortable this day phase. Let’s drag it out until after then for sure.
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Post Post #4939 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:50 pm

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In post 4937, Ankamius wrote:I'd like to be able to finally sort him
Ok wake me up when he appears then.
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Post Post #4940 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:19 pm

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davesaz, who are your townreads? i see a lot of claims that you are town in your posting, but not many reflections outwards of who is town. your townreads may have important implications moving forward, in the case you are lynched and flip town.
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Post Post #4941 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:53 pm

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In post 4928, Kaede Akamatsu wrote:If you think a ROLEBLOCKER is no threat to a scumteam with ONE MEMBER LEFT, then you arent thinking hard enough.
However if there's TWO MEMBERS LEFT on the scumteam it's less of a threat, so i suppose you'd be able to procure a 2nd scum candidate.
I just reread this, and it sunk in. This is a very solid point that you made that I can’t think of any contrary points to, so perhaps I did waste time analyzing that, if what I think is true is the case in that there is one scum remaining. :facepalm:

Oh well, there for posterity if that’s the case
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Post Post #4942 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:28 pm

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Post Post #4943 (ISO) » Wed Jun 13, 2018 5:33 pm

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Kaede what do you think of Kokichi?

Like, I want to say he's Town because of his 1v1 with Maria, but I thought Nero and Maria was TvS too and it turned out to be scum theater so now I'm not sure about Kokichi.
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Post Post #4944 (ISO) » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:15 am

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this game still has a very distinct lack of jungling
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Post Post #4945 (ISO) » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:49 am

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In post 4940, YT2980 wrote:davesaz, who are your townreads? i see a lot of claims that you are town in your posting, but not many reflections outwards of who is town. your townreads may have important implications moving forward, in the case you are lynched and flip town.
The only people I'm sure about being town are Kaede and myself, and at the moment I don't even trust Kaede to pursue town wincon.
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Post Post #4946 (ISO) » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:58 am

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you could show your innocence by... you know, gamesolving instead of shouting about how town you are
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Post Post #4947 (ISO) » Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:16 am

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In post 4945, davesaz wrote:
In post 4940, YT2980 wrote:davesaz, who are your townreads? i see a lot of claims that you are town in your posting, but not many reflections outwards of who is town. your townreads may have important implications moving forward, in the case you are lynched and flip town.
The only people I'm sure about being town are Kaede and myself, and at the moment I don't even trust Kaede to pursue town wincon.
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Post Post #4948 (ISO) » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:04 am

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VOTE: Kaede
I'm seriously OMGUSing everyone who votes me, even the IC.
I don't care if you like it.
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Post Post #4949 (ISO) » Thu Jun 14, 2018 8:05 am

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VOTE: Ankamius
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