NY 213 - Game Over!

[Dunnstral]

/confirm

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VOTE: TexCat

[Dunnstral]

Your 2 vote counts alternate between showing the post number where someone voted and their total number of posts in parenthesis

I'm just going to note that the above VC is the official format that all VCs (except that other one) will use ultimately in the game. The other VC is just when I am busy, but you guys need a fast VC. (Yes, you are correct that my votecount on this page shows the post number of the vote.)
~Ircher

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Pine

[Dunnstral]

Your 2 vote counts alternate between showing the post number where someone voted and their total number of posts in parenthesis

I'm just going to note that the above VC is the official format that all VCs (except that other one) will use ultimately in the game. The other VC is just when I am busy, but you guys need a fast VC. (Yes, you are correct that my votecount on this page shows the post number of the vote.)
~Ircher

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VOTE: osuka

Scummiest vibe.

[Dunnstral]

He quoted my post 6 instead of any other post and said he townread and scumread it, come on

[Dunnstral]

It was just a random vote slinging with a not well thought out reason.

Are you talking about yourself here or Jarjar?

[Dunnstral]

Osuka has managed to be scummy since pregame

[Dunnstral]

badly misreps rampages post

How does it misrep rampage's post?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Lovebird

Why?

[Dunnstral]

Even better, why don't you tell me about your reads. This game is kind of difficult to get into with a50 talking nonsense and Osuka being pretty blatant scum

[Dunnstral]

So, my revised scum team is Creature+Android+Fumuki+Hopkirk+Mylo

Game solved!!

can agree on Android and Mylo so far.

Went back and c hecked and andriod has 1 check-in post at this time, these posts are bad

[Dunnstral]

Hey everyone!

Ok so I've been skimming up to pg 7 and I am just dying laughing at some of these funny posts. I mean, man. Smokebomb throwing, claiming bp pgo compulsive commuter...one of the funniest games I've seen in awhile.

On a serious note, I don't like asuka mentioning a traitor. I hosted an offsite game where I had a mafia traitor. It really looks like signaling of some sort , what she did. And that's not a good thing for town, if there's a traitor.

Personally I think there exists 4-6 scum in this 25 pool if I were to go by the 20% guideline.

The mentioning of creature lurking on d1 , is true from what I recall. He's the only one I played with in a large normal , years ago. Interestingly he was town that game. Unless it's one of my idols, I don't believe giving someone a free pass just because it's how they play, is a wise idea.

Anyway, have to continue my catchup. I have a big bunch of null right now.

Reading this as scummy

[Dunnstral]

Forgot that I needed to post here.

Yeah, you don't play scum posting only on scum thread.

This is a great point.

VOTE: Android18

bad

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Lovebird

Why?

Even better, why don't you tell me about your reads. This game is kind of difficult to get into with a50 talking nonsense and Osuka being pretty blatant scum

[Dunnstral]

hopkirk has too many townreads.

What is too many townreads? Why is this an issue?

[Dunnstral]

What part of his catch up did you like?

[Dunnstral]

Why does that mean he can't be scum?

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how doesn't one wagon have 3 times as many votes as any other? that tells me it's probably not right.

Should we fix the voting ratios before lynching osuka then? Maybe some of the vanity voters can form a wagon

[Dunnstral]

I mentioned you once

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@Gamma: see 1004 for A/B.
Why does wave not being bought up before matter?

Because it feels strange as heck that he just pops up as the hot topic

Same, I don't understand why suddenly everyone is on him when he hasn't posted and wasn't talked about before.

Needed a counter wagon

[Dunnstral]

People have been saying osuka is a bad wagon all game without ever touching on his actual play

"The wagon forming looks bad with so many people"
"Nobody else is getting votes"

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Ausuka and Gamma (and maybe somebody else idr)are scum reading Flavour of meta but nobody voted? what's up with that?

It's 13 to lynch so maybe they don't feel like being votes 1 and 2 when other people are reaching vote 10 or something

[Dunnstral]

Day 1 VC #25

Performer (3) - EspeciallyTheLies (515), Creature (898), Kublai Khan (957)
Almost50 (0) -
Golden Robster (1) - Vaxkiller (678)
Pine (0) -
Creature (0) -
Kublai Khan (0) -
Hopkirk (0) -
Gamma Emerald (0) -
Ausuka (2) - Scioness Sajj (406), JarJarDrinks (842)
Lalendra (0) -
Davesaz (0) -
JarJarDrinks (2) - Myloninja13 (326), Andriod18 (855)

Osuka (6) - Dunnstral (77), Texcat, Pine (176), Almost50 (390), TheRampage (681), Wavemode (867)

Andriod18 (0) -
Texcat (1) - ArcAngel9 (604)
ArcAngel9 (0) -
Vaxkiller (2) - Golden Robster (602), Gamma Emerald (710)

Wavemode (5) - Ausuka (998), Hopkirk (999), Davesaz (1014), Osuka (1047), Performer (1051)

TheRampage (0) -
Myloninja13 (0) -
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Flavor Leaf (1) - WhemeStar (955)
Not Voting (2) - Flavor Leaf, Lalendra (559)

Lynch Threshold

During day 1, it takes 13 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 1 ends on June 30, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-06-30 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

EspeciallyTheLies is V/LA for an indefinite time.

Scioness Sajj V/LA until July 2.
Myloninja13 V/LA until Friday, June 29 (?).
Prodded TheRampage. They have (expired on 2018-06-27 17:38:49) to respond in-thread.

As a general reminder, if you are regularly V/LA on the weekends, you must either set V/LA tags each weekend or post in-thread that you'll be V/LA over the weekend

each weekend

so that both I and other players can keep track of it easily.

If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 1

Dunnstral: Osuka (77)
Srceenplay (0): (Null)
Peformer: Osuka (623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051)
Joral (0): (Null)
Almost50: Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) --> Osuka (390)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster: Almost50 (177) --> Wavemode (183) --> Osuka (236) --> Ausuka (317) --> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602)
Pine: Osuka (176)
Creature: Performer (385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) --> Performer (898)
Kublai Khan: Osuka (76) --> Almost50 (122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) --> Osuka (725) --> Performer (957)
WhemeStar: Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) --> Flavor Leaf (955)
Hopkirk: Osuka (90) --> Lalendra (279) --> Osuka (696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999)
Edosurist: Texcat (84) --> Almost50 (222)
Gamma Emerald: Vaxkiller (710)
Ausuka: JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998)
Lalendra: Almost50 (209) --> (Null) (559)
EspeciallyTheLies: Almost50 (83) --> Performer (515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz: Wavemode (1014)
JarJarDrinks: Osuka (85) --> Almost50 (114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) --> Osuka (535) --> Ausuka (842)
Osuka: Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) --> Performer (769) --> TheRampage (771) --> Wavemode (1047)
Texcat: Osuka (79)
Andriod18: Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855)
ArcAngel9: Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller: JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678)
Wavemode: Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) --> Osuka (867)
TheRampage: Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) --> Osuka (681)
Myloninja13: Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326)
Scioness Sajj: Ausuka (406)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)
Srceenplay (1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1): Osuka (16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1): Osuka (66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)
Osuka (2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1): Osuka (31)

Why is this wavemode wagon a thing?

[Dunnstral]

There can be 2 scum neighbors or 3 town neighbors, lynching him because he is a neighbor is bad and relies on bad mod meta which probably wasn't used here

[Dunnstral]

I noticed people pushing wavemode are saying to look at osuka if wavemode flips town which is kind of skeevy

[Dunnstral]

Wavemode wagon is gross if you look at what actually happened

VOTE: wavemode

I'm neighbours with Performer and wavemode. I'm confident wave is scum and once we lynch him and he flips red me and performer can function as masons.

Why didn't you push Wave when you were townreading Performer?

neighbourhoods are NAI. I'm not scumreading wave because I'm in a hood with him and a townread, I scumread him based on play.

Let me make this big and bold. Clearly based on Ausuka's reads and he just happens to be in a neighborhood (which was outted in a bad way)

VOTE: Wavemode

@Vax: you know Wave is hard lurking right? And has a good wagon? And is in the neighbourhood that statistically contains scum?

okay, now it turned into a neighborhood thing for Hopkirk when it wasn't

Heh, iso'd wave and yeah that's likely to be scum.
VOTE: Wavemode

okay, never mentions Wavemode after this, no proof he actually iso'd anybody, no opinion presented

VOTE: performer
we need a real wagon. if people arent down to lynch performer, i'll vote wavemode

lynching either gives a 50% chance of scum, as i see it, because im fairly confident ausuka is town

Listed as voting Wavemode but is actually on performer

Regardless, this is bad and again alludes towards neighborhood mechanics that don't exist

The events that led up to this point tell me there are some hypotheticals:
-if wave flips red as mafia neighbor, then boom, ausuka & I are virtually cleared as town. Happy birthday to us , basically
-now that I think of it more, if wave flips red, what would that mean for osuka’s alignment? However…if wave somehow flips green, then I think osuka should be looked into

VOTE: wavemode
This doesn't change my sr list either, I am willing to lynch any of my scumreads I stated.

More bad neighborhood spec when the original fos wasn't even based on that

[Dunnstral]

Some of those posts are setting up to lynch within the neighborhood again if wavemode flips town

[Dunnstral]

Osuka and Performer look like they're scum buddies distancing from each other in these quotes too

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: wavemode
I am willing to do this. Wave hasn't done anything to make me believe they are town. If we are lynching someone who hasn't done anything, my preference would be for ArcAngel9, but I understand that the neighborhood wants to clean itself up.

Almost missed this gem which again refers to the neighborhood mechanics

[Dunnstral]

Wait, you do have day chat. How did that go?

Hey, Wavemode, Performer, Ausuka.. Can you guys summarize the Day Chat?

Let me take a crack at it

Wavemode: hi guys

Ausuka: Hi

Performer: Hi

Wavemode: Why did you out the neighborhood

[Dunnstral]

To anyone saying neighbourhood isn't very very likely to contain scum- can you show me why not using site meta? Unless someone does, I'm assuming there's an 80-90% chance it does...

Can you show me why Osuka isn't scum, using site meta?

If not, get your vote on him

[Dunnstral]

Sita meta isn't actually relevant here

You could show me 40 games with 3 person neighborhoods in a row and it wouldn't make this game have a higher than random chance of a scum neighbor - this especially feels like a mod who would fully randomize neighbors

meanwhile actual site meta can tell us that people hopping on to counterwagons to scum without understanding the initial reasoning are above random chance to be scum

[Dunnstral]

there was NO counterwagon until performer started getting votes. that's my point.

No counterwagon to Osuka?
Ok, so where's the scum on the counterwagon to Performer?

on the wavemode wagon

[Dunnstral]

So because once upon a time a traitor outed their neighborhood in a completely different setup, Ausuka is a traitor in this game for outing her neighborhood

[Dunnstral]

There was slight mentioning of lynching outside of the hood as alternative?

You can't see how hard I'm rolling my eyes, regardless you should cut this out

Not sure what to make of the rampage replace out in this context, but probably NAI. Just a thought in case we go down that road.

Not sure what you're talking about here, why is rampage replacing out relevant?

[Dunnstral]

IMO the case on Wavemode is an active lurking / having absolutely no scumreads worth the name kind of case.

The case morphed into him being in a neighborhood of 3, as I've outlined

[Dunnstral]

It's not problematic if people are on the same wagon for different reasons imo.

Nah, if we're going to start lynching for being in the neighborhood I'm going to make sure we keep lynching until we hit scum or the neighborhood is empty - it's consistent with what people are pushing right now.

[Dunnstral]

I'm not going to let people argue that there's scum in a neighborhood of 3 and then if wavemode flips town back off and say they townread the other 2

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: wavemode
I am willing to do this. Wave hasn't done anything to make me believe they are town. If we are lynching someone who hasn't done anything, my preference would be for ArcAngel9, but I understand that the neighborhood wants to clean itself up.

Almost missed this gem which again refers to the neighborhood mechanics

Wavemode wagon is gross if you look at what actually happened

VOTE: wavemode

I'm neighbours with Performer and wavemode. I'm confident wave is scum and once we lynch him and he flips red me and performer can function as masons.

Why didn't you push Wave when you were townreading Performer?

neighbourhoods are NAI. I'm not scumreading wave because I'm in a hood with him and a townread, I scumread him based on play.

Let me make this big and bold. Clearly based on Ausuka's reads and he just happens to be in a neighborhood (which was outted in a bad way)

VOTE: Wavemode

@Vax: you know Wave is hard lurking right? And has a good wagon? And is in the neighbourhood that statistically contains scum?

okay, now it turned into a neighborhood thing for Hopkirk when it wasn't

Heh, iso'd wave and yeah that's likely to be scum.
VOTE: Wavemode

okay, never mentions Wavemode after this, no proof he actually iso'd anybody, no opinion presented

VOTE: performer
we need a real wagon. if people arent down to lynch performer, i'll vote wavemode

lynching either gives a 50% chance of scum, as i see it, because im fairly confident ausuka is town

Listed as voting Wavemode but is actually on performer

Regardless, this is bad and again alludes towards neighborhood mechanics that don't exist

The events that led up to this point tell me there are some hypotheticals:
-if wave flips red as mafia neighbor, then boom, ausuka & I are virtually cleared as town. Happy birthday to us , basically
-now that I think of it more, if wave flips red, what would that mean for osuka’s alignment? However…if wave somehow flips green, then I think osuka should be looked into

VOTE: wavemode
This doesn't change my sr list either, I am willing to lynch any of my scumreads I stated.

More bad neighborhood spec when the original fos wasn't even based on that

[Dunnstral]

Wavemode (7) - Ausuka (998), Hopkirk (999), Davesaz (1014), Performer (1051), Texcat (1080), Gamma Emerald (1107), JarJarDrinks (1112)

People voting wavemode for being in a neighborhood:

Hopkirk, Performer. Texcat, jarJarDrinks

People voting Wavemode for no reason/"we need wagons:

Davesaz, Gamma Emerald

People who gave non-neighborhood reasons for Wavemode to be scum:

Ausuka

[Dunnstral]

Heh, iso'd wave and yeah that's likely to be scum.
VOTE: Wavemode

citation needed

VOTE: performer
we need a real wagon. if people arent down to lynch performer, i'll vote wavemode

lynching either gives a 50% chance of scum, as i see it, because im fairly confident ausuka is town

I mean there's a wagon on you -_-
But I agree we do need other wagons given proximity to day end plus I feel fine with what I've gotten out of today so
VOTE: wavemode

Not sure why this is a vote on Wavemode - was he voting the big osuka wagon earlier? If not that's really suspect

[Dunnstral]

Day 1 VC #21

Performer (1) - EspeciallyTheLies (515)
Almost50 (0) -
Golden Robster (1) - Vaxkiller (678)
Pine (0) -
Creature (0) -
Kublai Khan (0) -
Hopkirk (0) -

Edosurist

Gamma Emerald (1) - Lovebird (259)
Ausuka (2) - Scioness Sajj (406), JarJarDrinks (842)
Lalendra (0) -
Lovebird (0) -
JarJarDrinks (3) - Myloninja13 (326), WhemeStar (797), Andriod18 (855)

Osuka (9) - Dunnstral (77), Texcat, Pine (176), Almost50 (390), Performer (623), TheRampage (681), Hopkirk (696), Kublai Khan (725), Wavemode (867)

Andriod18 (0) -
Texcat (1) - ArcAngel9 (604)
ArcAngel9 (0) -
Vaxkiller (2) - Golden Robster (602), Gamma Emerald (710)
Wavemode (0) -
TheRampage (3) - Ausuka (743), Osuka (771), Creature (813)
Myloninja13 (0) -
Scioness Sajj (0) -
Not Voting (2) - Flavor Leaf, Lalendra (559)

Lynch Threshold

During day 1, it takes 13 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 1 ends on June 30, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-06-30 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

EspeciallyTheLies is V/LA for an indefinite time.
Scioness Sajj V/LA until July 2.

Seeking a replacement for Lovebird who has failed to pick up their prod. If they post before I find a replacement, they may keep their slot.

If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 1

Dunnstral: Osuka (77)
Srceenplay (0): (Null)
Peformer: Osuka (623)
Joral (0): (Null)
Almost50: Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) --> Osuka (390)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster: Almost50 (177) --> Wavemode (183) --> Osuka (236) --> Ausuka (317) --> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602)
Pine: Osuka (176)
Creature: Performer (385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813)
Kublai Khan: Osuka (76) --> Almost50 (122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) --> Osuka (725)
WhemeStar: Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797)
Hopkirk: Osuka (90) --> Lalendra (279) --> Osuka (696)
Edosurist: Texcat (84) --> Almost50 (222)
Gamma Emerald: Vaxkiller (710)
Ausuka: JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743)
Lalendra: Almost50 (209) --> (Null) (559)
EspeciallyTheLies: Almost50 (83) --> Performer (515)
Lovebird: Edosurist (259)
JarJarDrinks: Osuka (85) --> Almost50 (114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) --> Osuka (535) --> Ausuka (842)
Osuka: Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) --> Performer (769) --> TheRampage (771)
Texcat: Osuka (79)
Andriod18: Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855)
ArcAngel9: Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller: JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678)
Wavemode: Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) --> Osuka (867)
TheRampage: Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) --> Osuka (681)
Myloninja13: Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326)
Scioness Sajj: Ausuka (406)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)
Srceenplay (1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1): Osuka (16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1): Osuka (66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)
Osuka (2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1): Osuka (31)

Nope, he was on a vanity wagon all day until Wavemode wagon popped up then it's "we need wagons" and voting for not even the largest wagon

Gamma can be scum

[Dunnstral]

IMO the case on Wavemode is an active lurking / having absolutely no scumreads worth the name kind of case.

The case morphed into him being in a neighborhood of 3, as I've outlined

that's not why I'm voting
I'm voting for his activity feeling like trying to avoid being read

So you're voting him for lurking, cool

[Dunnstral]

1st half of the Performer wagon was good/townreads.
Then Wave wagon happens pretty rapidly.
Then Performer grows by four.
Isn't Performer a counterwagon to Wave?

Meanwhile Osuka went from 10 votes to 3 just because... I don't know, actually. Why did everybody jump off of Osuka?

[Dunnstral]

4/25 is still a minority to me.

But yeah I'm behind ppl saying hoods are NAI, I just think wave flips red anyway.

If 25 people were voting Wavemode you'd have a good argument

But when 7 people are voting him, and 4 are citing the neighborhood, then that's the majority of voters. Tomorrow is +1 voters with me on the wagons and -1 needed to lynch, so we're effectively l-1 tomorrow or people have to go back on stances they've already given

[Dunnstral]

Was talking about the IC ability. Again sorry if this was the wrong choice.

It's just bait for people to look at the neighborhood again and say that the other 2 are scum because you're town

[Dunnstral]

So because once upon a time a traitor outed their neighborhood in a completely different setup, Ausuka is a traitor in this game for outing her neighborhood

This was the logic A50 was operating on

[Dunnstral]

I'm just one extra slot

We both need to readjust and reenter the game ASAP.

Weird interaction here btw

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: texcat

I don't like their content

[Dunnstral]

^ weak

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: texcat

I don't like their content

Which specific part? I've got him down as a townlean.

Looked them over and I actually think they're fine, I just didn't like their last post where they jumped on wavemode I guess

[Dunnstral]

I wouldn't feel too bad about lynching a town vig, by the way, but maybe we should let them live. If nothing else, if they're real they could tie up mafia roleblocker or something

[Dunnstral]

Would anyone mind if golden was gone Day 2?

Uh, I'd mind

[Dunnstral]

So because once upon a time a traitor outed their neighborhood in a completely different setup, Ausuka is a traitor in this game for outing her neighborhood

This was the logic A50 was operating on

I'm just one extra slot

We both need to readjust and reenter the game ASAP.

Weird interaction here btw

why the sudden focus on A50?

Not really focusing on him, just said what came to mind and they happened to both be about him

[Dunnstral]

@mod V/la for 3 days

Did the mini wagon forming here see this?

[Dunnstral]

Sorry but I don't care about what your large theme looked like years ago

We're playing a large normal and neighborhood does not mean scum, I will say majority of neighbors being the same scum faction is pretty unlikely though (even if neighbors are randomized that type of thing tends to get considered for a reroll IMO)

[Dunnstral]

may as well
VOTE: Performer
because we're not realistically getting any other lynch today.

l-1

Defeatist attitude is bad

[Dunnstral]

If you don't want to vote performer then what are your other choices for a lynch today? You'll probably have my vote somewhere

[Dunnstral]

Dunn have you read my posts/reads/catch up?

no

[Dunnstral]

maybe in a smaller game but this is a 25p, wave is at like 4 votes and he's the second largest wagon and he's been softing vengeful anyway so

Pedit: Wave and Android I think

Not really excited to wagon andriod, the only case is that they are lurking right?

I've made my thoughts on wavemode clear, still probably better than performer

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Lalendra

Lurkers can be looked at tomorrow

[Dunnstral]

He's a pain that (atleast I believe) will eventually be sorted later in the game

Pretty used to see him lurking lately

I'm lurking?

[Dunnstral]

Day 1 VC #37

Performer (9) (L-4) - EspeciallyTheLies (515), Kublai Khan (957), Wavemode (1108), Vaxkiller (1116), Lalendra (1229), Osuka (1384), ArcAngel9 (1397), Scioness Sajj (1552), Myloninja13 (1554)

Andriod18 (6) - JarJarDrinks (1410), Creature (1449), Almost50 (1460), Hopkirk (1679), Ausuka (1680), Gamma Emerald (1711)

Which of these wagons looks townier?

I already explained why I'm not happy about Andriod vote

Now we don't have enough time to switch to a good wagon, so we're stuck lynching your guy or nolynching

[Dunnstral]

1676 from Creature is pretty gross, I'd vote there for that

I might be okay with Flavor Leaf

[Dunnstral]

To me it shows that he's not reading the game and is just saying things

[Dunnstral]

Why aren't we lynching osuka, again?

[Dunnstral]

That's talking about creature

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Osuka

[Dunnstral]

Let's vote Osuka or Lalendra

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Performer

[Dunnstral]

I don't support a policy lynch

Get performer as there was an actual case there beyond lurking

[Dunnstral]

I'm a VT do as you wish.

That's a relief. The only reason I had you in my null-town reads earlier was that I thought you might be a PR who didn't know how to handle your role. That did wear out already, but thanks for the reassurance. Lynching a VT is the next best thing to lynching scum with 16 hours to go.

This is scummy

Andriod is pretty blatantly town from their posting on this page - performer is only maybe town. Not impressed with the reasoning or total lack thereof to vote andriod over performer by the last half of this wagon - get performer

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VOTE: Performer

Imma be L-1 here!

VOTE: Andriod

THIS IS L-1!

Why did you flip to andriod?

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VOTE: Android

I might not be online in time to hammer. I’d rather this than Perf.

Why? I don't believe you've ever given an opinion on either

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Why aren't we wagoning myloninja?

Pretty sure that vote switch is straight up scum

lynch lynch lynch
VOTE: performer
l-4

so ugh can we please have a lynch? pref on preformer/wave cuz i don't think we can get 11 votes in 30 hours

also, I don't think performer confused wheme with wave but it's not that important i guess

oh yeah android is fine lynch

VOTE: android

Another weird flip

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Those 3 are the most egregious probably

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We should at least be looking at myloninja and Scioness Sajj tomorrow

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I've been trying to get other wagons for the past 5 pages

If you're going to turn this into you vs andriod and vote them I'm going to choose to vote you over her

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And okay Flavorleaf, just look at the other 2 then

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In this case, Dunn got a VT claim from one and is fishing for the other one's role. It's as simple as that.

You're right, I started saying andriod was a bad lynch right after they claimed vt and didn't talk about them before that

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And they claimed because of me too

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I'm a VT do as you wish.

That's a relief. The only reason I had you in my null-town reads earlier was that I thought you might be a PR who didn't know how to handle your role. That did wear out already, but thanks for the reassurance. Lynching a VT is the next best thing to lynching scum with 16 hours to go.

But there's info to be gained here as well. If you are indeed town then 2-3 scums are on your wagon regardless of Performer's alignment (scum would want to get a mislynch rather than a no lynch).

If you flip red though then bussing is minimal and there's 0-1 scum on your wagon if Performer is town, and up to 2 if he is your scum p.

So, assuming your town you're taking one for the team, and you have my personal respect for it.

I'm a VT do as you wish.

That's a relief. The only reason I had you in my null-town reads earlier was that I thought you might be a PR who didn't know how to handle your role. That did wear out already, but thanks for the reassurance. Lynching a VT is the next best thing to lynching scum with 16 hours to go.

This is scummy

Andriod is pretty blatantly town from their posting on this page - performer is only maybe town. Not impressed with the reasoning or total lack thereof to vote andriod over performer by the last half of this wagon - get performer

Let me do a Dunnstral:

This is scummy

Andriod is pretty blatantly

town

vanilla from their posting on this page - performer is only maybe

town

vanilla. Not impressed with the reasoning or total lack thereof to vote

andriod

performer over

performer

andriod by the

last half of this wagon

quoted person - get performer.

For those who need further explanation: There is always a chance BOTH wagons are on town. In this case, Dunn got a VT claim from one and is fishing for the other one's role. It's as simple as that.

Let me elaborate:

Scum don't care which townie they lynch, although they know they probably can't get a lynch on a PR this early into the game. What hey care about is get as many claims (or hints) as possible for them to shoot at night. Wave already claim VT. Performer might be as well, or could be a PR. If Performer is a PR then shooting him and pushing for a lynch on wavemode tomorrow (based on the "there's likely to be 1 scum in the hood" theory) destroys the hood. If Performer is a VT then whatever.. they can shoot someone else they think are more likely a PR and leave the hood till later (still using the same theory of 1 scum is in it).

We have such short time left. What if Performer claims a PR? Who are we lynching then? And what if Performer claims VT?

I don't understand why you're voting andriod right now

You straight up say "lynching a vt is the next best thing to lynching scum" and then call me scummy in a way that implies you think andriod is really vt - why are you voting them instead of performer?

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I'm back from V/LA, and I can get to this in less than 4 hours!

VOTE: Performer

Imma be L-1 here!

VOTE: Andriod

THIS IS L-1!

This is a good place to look tomorrow

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I don't want to eat the sausage

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Yikes, not looking too good there piney

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Vaxkiller, where's your vig shot?

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VOTE: Myloninja

Forgot about this guy

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Nope, we're not at deadline anymore, mindlessly tunneling a lurker isn't going to cut it

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Too much thirstiness to jump on him for my taste.

Meanwhile andriod...?

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It's late here. I'll do a full catch up in 12 hours.

How did your full catch up go

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1. Vax claiming vig and no vig shot

I dunno, maybe claiming at l-12 wasn't a good idea from Vax, but let's see what he says

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Right, I think we should just ignore vax anyway. If he's town he's drawing mafia roleblocks on him every night so nobody else is getting blocked

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Why aren't we wagoning myloninja?

Pretty sure that vote switch is straight up scum

lynch lynch lynch
VOTE: performer
l-4

so ugh can we please have a lynch? pref on preformer/wave cuz i don't think we can get 11 votes in 30 hours

also, I don't think performer confused wheme with wave but it's not that important i guess

oh yeah android is fine lynch

VOTE: android

Another weird flip

We should at least be looking at myloninja and Scioness Sajj tomorrow

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and Dunn, please answer:

Nope, we're not at deadline anymore, mindlessly tunneling a lurker isn't going to cut it

so pray tell how is voting for Myloninja and his 18 posts not "mindlessly tunneling a lurker" ?

why is mylo better than android?

His vote switch last day phase was bad, He's still not producing content

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Frozen Angel, HopKirk, Gamma Emerald, Golden Robster

These are all strong townreads. I see real scumhunting and purpose behind all their posts. I can expound more if people want specifics.

Creature

- Town - Posting style is jarring but there's certain posts I look at that just really cant come from scum.

Pine

- Town - Not alot of posts but I like most of them. I feel like Pine is on the same page as me.

Texcat

- townlean - Posts come across as genuine and nothing very scummy that I can see.

Vaxkiller

- townlean. Faking a vig claim is just so terrible but i dont know that I see scum doing it.

PenguinPower

- slight townlean - Not enough from him yet but ok so far. rampage was null for me.

Kublai Khan

- slight scumlean I guess. Nothing in his ISO really jumps out as too scummy to me but I feel like his reads lack depth. Also he's been scumreading alot of townies.

EspeciallyTheLies

- slight scumlean - I've already posted about how I felt like his whole day 1 was contrived but I think he's playing pretty solid on day 2.

Dunnstral

- slight scumlean - He does seem to put his opinion out there which is good. But man he spent alot of time yesterday talking about how bad the people voting in the hood was. And I very much dislike 1969.

Flavor Leaf

- slight scumlean - dislike all the self meta. Keeps promising content. Where is it?

Lalendra

- scumlean. Not very much content in her posts. Quite a bit of posts that aren't really related to this game.

Myloninja13

- scum - zero reads. An ISO full of garbage.

Wavemode

- scum. There's a chance performer wagon was a counter to scumwave. I guess I wont read too much into the hood but it's still on my mind. And as people have pointed he doesnt really ever scumread anyone. He seems to be trying not to piss people off.

WhemeStar

- Scum - has literally not explained a single read in his crappy lurker ISO

ArcAngel9

- scum - Performer vote was skeevey AF and the tex vote today doesnt really look much better

Scioness Sajj

- scum - dislike her early creature defending. Also makes alot of reads but there's never much reason given. It looks like scum trying to look it's giving an opinion but w/o really doing so.

Andriod18

- Scum - I think I've posted plenty why Android is scum. It's where my vote is going as of now so I'm sure I'll be expounding on this read through the day.

This is bad because you've got like 5 lurkers listed as scum

If you're town you're way off the mark - I really doubt the scum team is all the lurkers together

If you're scum then you only want to push people you won't get much pushback from

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Hi guys.

Hi sorry I'm still here lol.

Sorry, I'm still here lol.

Ahhh, I'm not good at big numbers of people lol.

Do something other than prod dodge

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VOTE: Jar jar

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Jarjar thinks the scum team is 5 lurkers together

Not sure if that's actually scum or just super misguided and a distraction

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For the record I'm townreading KK and Flavor leaf

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alright nerds I'm not reading 100 pages

what specifically should I read/take a look at?

ausuka is ic. that's probably the most important thing

Not sure if that's the most important thing a replacement needs to know actually

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We don't need the replacement's help figuring out who the innocent child is

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Mason partner doesn't claim today

There's no reason why we have to go after flavor leaf today, if he were lying we'd figure it out eventually and he wouldn't get away

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Also I think golden rob is obv town and wagon is bad

Isn't there only 1 person voting him? Kind of jumpy

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town: flavor/hopkirk, kk, jarjar, etl (from d1, needs updating).
town???: mylo13, gamma, golden robster, penguinpower,
null: and everybody i forgot about
scum???: texcat, lalendra? (i can't tell how much of it it's peculiar posting style and how much is weird motions), andriod, wave (not really in lynchable pile, but doesn't fit anywhere else).

there is no 'scum' because this is based on pages 100-116 +what i remember thinking of slots from d1. i'd put andriod in scums since nobody is willing to explain their townread on it but it will do just fine in

VOTE: andriod18

I haven't read much of Lalendra but they feel gut scummy to me

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Penguin Power is really lynchbaity

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My vote is available before deadline if needed

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My vote is available before deadline if needed

Hi Dunn

You wanna talk?

Not really

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What do you want to talk about Wheme?

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Do you scumread anyone on it

Lalendra, I don't know why she voted you

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Don't hammer yet

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What's wrong with you guys? I don't remember wheme being so scummy that we ignore good strategy and just lynch him through a doctor claim, I was under the impression that this was basically a lurker/lynchbait day.

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer, why would mafia claim dumb protect targets

If Wheme is mafia he gets caught later and we lynch him over any other doc claim if it comes to it

If we lynch doctor we lose our way to protect all these mason/ic that prematurely claimed (more bad town play but nothing I could do about it)

VOTE: PenguinPower

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VOTE: tehbrawlguy

We can try

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I didn't have an opinion on you, I don't like how you're pushing the wheme lynch through

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What about JJD's push on the wheme lynch?

I was voting JJ, nobody else is interested in him

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VOTE: Myloninja13

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Hi guys.

Hi sorry I'm still here lol.

Sorry, I'm still here lol.

Ahhh, I'm not good at big numbers of people lol.

Hi sorry I do still exist!

Hi I'm here sorry

Sorry, I'll come back to this and be significantly less obnoxious/Spammy/Trolly.

Hi I'm here sorry

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What's wrong with you guys? I don't remember wheme being so scummy that we ignore good strategy and just lynch him through a doctor claim, I was under the impression that this was basically a lurker/lynchbait day.

Wheme isn't scummy around hammer, why would mafia claim dumb protect targets

If Wheme is mafia he gets caught later and we lynch him over any other doc claim if it comes to it

If we lynch doctor we lose our way to protect all these mason/ic that prematurely claimed (more bad town play but nothing I could do about it)

VOTE: PenguinPower

VOTE: tehbrawlguy

We can try

I didn't have an opinion on you, I don't like how you're pushing the wheme lynch through

"If Wheme is mafia he gets caught later and we lynch him over any other doc claim if it comes to it"

I stand by that

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Lalendra can you explain your initial Wheme vote to me? I didn't understand why you voted there

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expected you to have obvtowned already

he obvtowned when he fakeclaimed vig.

Oh right

(even though I also did)

You fakeclaimed vig?

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Well it's a very easy to agree with stance, that's why it SHOULDN'T get a free pass. I don't SR mylo, in fact I think he's just barely on my townside, but I dislike foolish play.

mylo feels lynchbaity if anything

So did wheme, that didn't change his alignment from scum to town though

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Who did you replace?

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I remember something gave me cold feet on lalendra/made me think they were town

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I have to go to school soon, so does anyone else have some "Lightning Round!" questions for me?

who's scum and who should we lynch today

Dunn and Creature, and probably Dunn.

why

His ISO is like terrible here. And I don't think it's his town meta either*

*From my own limited experience

What's my town meta?

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And how is my iso terrible?

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Chinese fire drill, it means for everybody to vote someone close to deadline

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Also I'm a little interested in a texcat lynch

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VOTE: Texcat

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I have to go to school soon, so does anyone else have some "Lightning Round!" questions for me?

who's scum and who should we lynch today

Dunn and Creature, and probably Dunn.

why

His ISO is like terrible here. And I don't think it's his town meta either*

*From my own limited experience

Want answers to this btw

I think he's making stuff up

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From mylo

Golden Rob I'm not scum

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Who do you want to lynch Ankamius?

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^He's said a variation of this like 10 times

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Ankamius
Ausuka
Hopkirk

Lalendra

??

Texcat

??

Myloninja13

???

Tchill13

???

Frozen Angel
Golden Robster
JarJarDrinks
Kublai Khan
PenguinPower
TehBrawlGuy
Wavemode

Dunnstral

???

Gamma Emerald

???

Krazy

???

Scioness Sajj

???

Vaxkiller

???

Creature

??

are these reads only grouped or is it from town to scum in order of scumminess

It's actually upside down, Ankamius will be in here any minute to reveal their clever ruse

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The amount of counter wagons that popped up from lalendra tells me she's scum and scum are scrambling to find a different wagon.

It's kind of obvious.

Meanwhile texcat

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I don't like Creature or lalendra wagon, I'm not sure about Gamma either way

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The amount of counter wagons that popped up from lalendra tells me she's scum and scum are scrambling to find a different wagon.

It's kind of obvious.

Meanwhile texcat

You're not getting texcat. Pick a non-vanity.

No, I'm done compromising

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If you want me off of texcat you're going to have to explain why they're town

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The amount of counter wagons that popped up from lalendra tells me she's scum and scum are scrambling to find a different wagon.

It's kind of obvious.

Meanwhile texcat

You're not getting texcat. Pick a non-vanity.

No, I'm done compromising

When was the last time you compromised? Two days ago? You actively pushed outside the scum lynch yesterday.

You also ended yesterday on TBG, but don't give him a second glance today. Why?

Yeah...

That's cool but it's not going to move my vote

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You could answer the second line though.

Because Wheme flipped scum

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Yeah

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No

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You should quote where I said I didn't like lalandra wagon instead

If a viable alternative that I think could be scum pops up I'll vote it, sure

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Never go full hardlurk

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I don't like the top two wagons, if you guys want to talk about other wagons I'm all ears, if you guys want to convince me to join what I was against as a compromise hold your breath

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If you want me off of texcat you're going to have to explain why they're town

there's more than 1 scum in the game. there's probably more than 3 scum in the game atm. Just because you can't explain why someone is town doesn't mean they're scum.

I mean, that seems as good a place as any to start lynching for scum, no?

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I mean, from my point of view lalendra wagon flared after texcat wagon formed

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how many votes did tex get?

Like 5-6, it was definitely the top wagon

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how many votes did tex get?

Like 5-6, it was definitely the top wagon

whats your opinion on the fact the wagon after tex was countered 3ish times? At least was met with a lot of vanity wagons.

Wouldn't the wagon after scum, with so many scum in the game that need a town lynch today, probably go through if it were on town?

Don't know what you're asking

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@dunn lets move on. Why Texcat over PP or TBG today? When the fake doc claim happened you voted those players. Why no push this day phase?

PP looks like the counter wagon and no I don't remember voting him

TBG was on the scum wagon so I'm not interested in voting him, also it looked like the only non-pp alternative to yesterday

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Mason partner doesn't claim today

There's no reason why we have to go after flavor leaf today, if he were lying we'd figure it out eventually and he wouldn't get away

Same thing I did with Wheme's doctor claim

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I didn't vote pp to m yknowledge

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@dunn lets move on. Why Texcat over PP or TBG today? When the fake doc claim happened you voted those players. Why no push this day phase?

PP looks like the counter wagon and no I don't remember voting him

TBG was on the scum wagon so I'm not interested in voting him, also it looked like the only non-pp alternative to yesterday

so you'd rather lynch womeone who stalled the wagon than manybe someone who bussed? Did Texcat look like he stalled more so than the others i just listed? Brawler, Scionness...

I'm voting Texcat because I feel like they are scummy

Stalling isn't scummy because they still get lynched in the end

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OK, I did and it's because pp looked like the only viable alternative but I wasn't happy about it so I switched to tbg shortly after, texcat was never viable yesterday and I didn't even have my sights on them

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I already explained my current stance on voting so no to whatever you're trying to get me to say

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Your stance on texcat has nothing to do with this next ppoint.

Then don't ask me about my stance on texcat

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Clearly you refuse to work with town to achieve a lynch by stating you will remain on texcat regardless.

Go back and read where I said I'd vote elsewhere then we can talk, not going to talk in circles though

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Also I'm a little interested in a texcat lynch

Dunn what happened between this and now for you to go from a "little interested" to "I will absolutely not move my vote to anyone else unless someone gives me good reason." ???

You should quote where I said I didn't like lalandra wagon instead

If a viable alternative that I think could be scum pops up I'll vote it, sure

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I consider everybody below 200 posts that is not a replacement a luker

Well that's just not true/the bar is too high to be reasonable

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VOTE: texcat

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Roger that

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Still haven't been given a reason for texcat town

Just question dodging and name calling followed by voting other people

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Do you think it's plausible that both wagons right now are on scum?

Yes

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That was never your main point against me and it's not scummy

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Dunn is on the counterwagon to sajj.

misrep

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texcat is almost conftown? wow

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Dunn is on the counterwagon to sajj.

misrep

Are you voting tex?

You made it seem like I voted texcat as a coutnerwagon to sajj

In reality I've been voting tex since yesterday and there was no sajj wagon when I voted, so yeah that was pretty misreppy to suggest otherwise

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Saying texcat wagon is a coutner to sajj is in itself a misrep - this wagon started yesterday and got swung to lalendra

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By definition yes, otherwise it's a competing wagon

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Dunn voting n the the competing wagon to sajj made me more sure of sajj scum.

Why should this effect your read?

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It had the potential to be real and so I pointed out why it was mechancally sound to leave him alive

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oh zamn that wagon composition is actually highly questionable

UNVOTE:

Why not look at how the wagin formed yesterday and how the lalendra wagon took off

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Invest in a Texcat wagon

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Invest in a Texcat wagon

I'm with you that's she's pretty scummy, but I think the town has spoken and doesn't want to lynch her

we should both probably move to greener pastures. suggestions?

Gamma Emerald

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vt