NY 213 - Game Over!

[JarJarDrinks]

/confirm

[JarJarDrinks]

How about this, nobody posts anything d1 and we don’t Lynch in case we end up voting a townie

Then we convince the mafia not to kill anyone and we call it a draw

I'm going to call an early SR on this. Some kind of combination of LAMIST and "haha let's do this anti-Town thing as a joke but no really."

best pregame case I've seen in a long time.

VOTE: osuka

[JarJarDrinks]

How about this, nobody posts anything d1 and we don’t Lynch in case we end up voting a townie

Then we convince the mafia not to kill anyone and we call it a draw

I'm going to call an early SR on this. Some kind of combination of LAMIST and "haha let's do this anti-Town thing as a joke but no really."

best pregame case I've seen in a long time.

VOTE: osuka

follow up question: is it the only pregame case you’ve seen in a while?

hehe, busted.


followup to ur followup:

if I got a nickel for every time this was said about me

what specifically do u get called out about? Being LAMIST?

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: JarJarDrinks for jumping on the osuka bandwagon.

Why is that bad?

Thats what I wanna know. Why aint he townreading me for jumping on it?

[JarJarDrinks]

followup to ur followup:

if I got a nickel for every time this was said about me

what specifically do u get called out about? Being LAMIST?

i mean what they say will vary, but I generally get called out as being scummy very early in the game by at least some of the players. Usually during rvs

So I guess we should just give u a pass on any scumminess huh?

scumpoints for an unprompted self-meta this early in the game

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: JarJarDrinks for jumping on the osuka bandwagon.

Why is that bad?

Thats what I wanna know. Why aint he townreading me for jumping on it?

Here’s a better question: why would anyone townread you for doing that

I'll answer u after charles answers me.

[JarJarDrinks]

So I guess we have to lynch almost to see if we win on day 1.

VOTE: Almost50

[JarJarDrinks]

Bandwagons this early in day 1 seem to me more scummy than town, so

thats

where I put my vote. Makes it easier to "accidentally" lynch town.

Whats

where you put your vote? You didnt vote for a bandwagon, u voted for me. Was there something about my vote that made it seem scummier than the other people on the wagon?

[JarJarDrinks]

If the almost thing is false jarjar is still scummy btw.

Why am I scummy again?

[JarJarDrinks]

Jarjar is giving me mad newbscum vibes, which is funny since he’s played more here than I have

Y all yall gotta be all vague and shit?

If u wanna shade me then quote the posts, point out what's scummy. These empty reads are trash.

[JarJarDrinks]

Y all yall gotta be all vague and shit?

[JarJarDrinks]

Spoiler:

This is by far the earliest in any game I’ve had to quote myself

How about this, nobody posts anything d1 and we don’t Lynch in case we end up voting a townie

Then we convince the mafia not to kill anyone and we call it a draw

I'm going to call an early SR on this. Some kind of combination of LAMIST and "haha let's do this anti-Town thing as a joke but no really."

best pregame case I've seen in a long time.

VOTE: osuka

follow up question: is it the only pregame case you’ve seen in a while?

VOTE: JarJarDrinks for jumping on the osuka bandwagon.

Why is that bad?

Thats what I wanna know. Why aint he townreading me for jumping on it?

Here’s a better question: why would anyone townread you for doing that

followup to ur followup:

if I got a nickel for every time this was said about me

what specifically do u get called out about? Being LAMIST?

i mean what they say will vary, but I generally get called out as being scummy very early in the game by at least some of the players. Usually during rvs

So I guess we should just give u a pass on any scumminess huh?

scumpoints for an unprompted self-meta this early in the game

VOTE: JarJarDrinks for jumping on the osuka bandwagon.

Why is that bad?

Thats what I wanna know. Why aint he townreading me for jumping on it?

Here’s a better question: why would anyone townread you for doing that

I'll answer u after charles answers me.

So I guess we have to lynch almost to see if we win on day 1.

VOTE: Almost50

VOTE: jarjar
the lynch train goes choo choo

Jarjar is giving me mad newbscum vibes, which is funny since he’s played more here than I have

plus the way you reacted to the push on this page

kinda weak but I guess acceptable on page 6.

[JarJarDrinks]

got a bit of a scumread on charles based on these groups of posts:

Spoiler:

VOTE: JarJarDrinks for jumping on the osuka bandwagon.

Bandwagons this early in day 1 seem to me more scummy than town, so thats where I put my vote. Makes it easier to "accidentally" lynch town.

here he explains his vote w actual reasons

Spoiler:

Bandwagons this early in day 1 seem to me more scummy than town, so thats where I put my vote. Makes it easier to "accidentally" lynch town.

It's what, L-13? You can't 'accidentally' get 8 more votes down. Even if you did, the fourth one wouldn't be explicitly bad there. Have you played any other large games?

No, first large game here. Used to playing in smaller groups.

I'm sure my vote will change as I get better actual reads on people as the day goes on.

Question: In this setup do we know exactly how many town Vs. how many scum are in the game?

then when people start pressuring him a little, he kind of admits that his vote is shitty.


so basically a little bit of questioning made him lose all his conviction.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: charles

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A50 and his reads list is actually pretty fcking towny and am liking him as town already; not the reads but the effort he put in to make a pile of collective crap in one post. Don't think scum would put this much effort into something so early on just to draw attention to themselves unless scum A50 has balls of steel.

This is a good analysis. My first reaction to his big post was null but I'm gonna lean town now.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: A50

hi old friend, I see you changed your avatar from a duck to a monkey

Eh.. signs of times.
Never was a duck though. It was an EMU

So you got a red role pm I see. Too bad. I was looking forward to playing

with

you, but now I have to play

against

you.

on a scale of 1 to 10, how serious are u about this scumread on Golden?

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm gonna follow Khan here.
VOTE: Almost50

FINALLY! The "I'm gonna follow Khan here." soft-clears KK and implicates Edo. It's almost like he's saying he knows I'm town and is already blaming it on KK. Bad bad vote here.

VOTE: Edosurist

My fellow townies, follow me. Are you ready to lynch a mafioso?

I'm gonna follow Almost here.
VOTE: Edosurist

[JarJarDrinks]

I kinda think Almost50 is town here lol?

this post started off fine but the "lol" is scummy and so is the "?"

[JarJarDrinks]

I still like my current vote

Y is Lalendra a good vote?

[JarJarDrinks]

how are there still 4 people voting Almost?

[JarJarDrinks]

UNVOTE:

Sorry Ircher and everybody. 25 players and 13 pages already. Too much for me to keep up with and post any kind of intelligent analysis.

Ircher asked me to sign up as a favor and I did. There's a reason I don't play mafia. I am no good at mafia and I don't really enjoy it. I'll be over in the mish mash forum.

Please go ahead and replace me out.

this reads to me as someone that didnt want to roll scum but did.

[JarJarDrinks]

yeah am liking osuka for leaning town

can do this

VOTE: JarJarDrinks

what the hell are u doing Robster?

[JarJarDrinks]

a50 has been having a breakdown as of page 12. tops my lynch pool, along with aa9 and jarjar.

vote JJD with me; a50 in my town block and aa9 hasn't posted enough real content to ping me

Stop u dont scumread me.

[JarJarDrinks]

Stop u dont scumread me.

what makes you think that

cuz ur a good player and I think ur town so u should be townreading me

[JarJarDrinks]

what does being good and being town have to do with this?

cuz I believe only a bad player or scum would scumread me right now.

[JarJarDrinks]

This is awful lot of people defending a player who hasn't done a whole lot.

Spoiler:

Creature wagon is bad

I agree with A50 about Creature, but am willing to give Creature the benefit of doubt for the moment. Sometimes people do just get busy with their real lives.

@Hopkirk:
How to sort a Creature 101 - The maual: Town!Creature posts. Scum!Creature doesn't. It's as simple as that.

It's not though, because I have fallen victim to this logic before and he was just busy town.

before i get prodded

i agree with people saying that we can give creature some time. if he is scum it will be obvious soon enough.

i will catch up in few hours

Why r people on creature. His day 1 is not strong

[JarJarDrinks]

Have you played with creature before?

yes

[JarJarDrinks]

So you know he usually doesn't do anything day 1, but can easily be spotted as scum if he continues his lurk on later days?

My last unfinished game w creature was a while ago but all I recall is not thinking his play is anything special.

Which is why I think it's shady that so many people are clamoring to keep votes off him. Like I'm not saying u people should be voting him but he's done nothing in this game to warrant a defense from anybody.

[JarJarDrinks]

I assume that if people start voting creature they will park their votes. He is easy enough to read that so he will be most likely bussed.

Lynching him d1 if he is scum - sure; wagoning him early in the day when he is on vla - what for?

fair enough. But there were people defending him for non-activity related things and well before he VLAd.

[JarJarDrinks]

Dunno, I haven’t really grok’d the case there, but people I’m hard-TRing are really gung ho about it.

who are you tr'ing right now

Strongly A50, weakly KK, ETL, Vax, Srceen, JJD, maybe Hopkirk.

Where's the Srscreen read coming from?

[JarJarDrinks]

ditto ETL

[JarJarDrinks]

So I guess we have to lynch almost to see if we win on day 1.

VOTE: Almost50

You used to be better.

It was supposed to be funny.

But I probably did used to be better making jokes so ur not misrepping @ least.

[JarJarDrinks]

Forgot that I needed to post here.

Yeah, you don't play scum posting only on scum thread.

This is a great point.

VOTE: Android18

huh?

[JarJarDrinks]

i think i like performer and creature here.

[JarJarDrinks]

JarJarDrinks(4) ~ Golden Robster, Myloninja13, Osuka, Vaxkiller

Robster is town. Mafia logic says one or more of these other numbnuts are scum.

VOTE: Osuka

Lotsa good folk on this wagon

[JarJarDrinks]

hey Vax, maybe it'd be easier to get people to vote for me if u point them to where you explain why u think I'm scum.

where is that again?

[JarJarDrinks]

You are not on my town list nor are on anyone elses.

Poppycock!!

rtft

[JarJarDrinks]

You are not on my town list nor are on anyone elses.

Poppycock!!

rtft

No ones hard defending you or convincing me otherwise including you!

Well no shit no one's hard defending me. How tf does that have anything to do w/ ur read on me?

Like are u basically saying that you're voting me cuz it's easiest?

[JarJarDrinks]

Like isn't that some straight ass backwards thinking?

Scum are always harder to lynch than town because they have people on their side.

The fact that no one is hard defending me should lead Vax to townread me, not scumread me.

[JarJarDrinks]

He townreads me but is paranoid that I'm buddying him.

[JarJarDrinks]

What do you think of lalendra unvoting you and not knowing why?

?

[JarJarDrinks]

What do you think of lalendra unvoting you and not knowing why?

?

Golden Robster I mean.

Oh, well then I answered

[JarJarDrinks]

Yes that is what I am saying.

[JarJarDrinks]

Town: Almost 50/JJD/Creature/Wheme/Charles(Vaxkiller)/Myloninja/KK/Dunn

Cant give Myl and Wheme more than a Null and I dislike Vax. Other than that I approve.

Townish: Pine/Scion/Lovebird

I'd bump Pine up to solid town. No real strong feelings on the the other 2 but I can buy em as town. Scion a little moreso.

Neutral/POE 1 pool: Robster, Android/ Flavor leaf/ Wave/Rampage/(Arc/ETL- considered in very light town)
POE 2 pool: Performer, Edosurist, Ausuka, Lalendra, Osuka, Texcat

Performer is a slight townread for me and as u know I like Robster.

Robster is the only active person in my neutral pile. Someone help me read him.

Well what's ur problem w/ him? He's doing things. nothing really scummy that I can see.

[JarJarDrinks]

(Not to mention the post above isn't even towny in fact it's quite bad.)

We're not even sure which post Lovebird's referring to, mine or Charles's.

Which one are u saying is bad?

[JarJarDrinks]

jar & ausuka, why are you both townreading me?

I think I have a decent meta read on u.

[JarJarDrinks]

So you know he usually doesn't do anything day 1, but can easily be spotted as scum if he continues his lurk on later days?

My last unfinished game w creature was a while ago but all I recall is not thinking his play is anything special.

Which is why I think it's shady that so many people are clamoring to keep votes off him. Like I'm not saying u people should be voting him but he's done nothing in this game to warrant a defense from anybody.

Last I remember with both you guys was mini normal 1941 where Creature hadn’t officially become a lurkersack as scum
Feel free to correct me if something more recent exists

u mean 1841 but yes that is my most recent finished game w creature.

[JarJarDrinks]

You are not on my town list nor are on anyone elses.

Poppycock!!

rtft

No ones hard defending you or convincing me otherwise including you!

Well no shit no one's hard defending me. How tf does that have anything to do w/ ur read on me?

Like are u basically saying that you're voting me cuz it's easiest?

Hot take actually: Vax is scum.

Currently liking the Osuka wagon but Vax'd be my 2nd choice.

[JarJarDrinks]

Is tehre a case on osuka or just the typical Day 1 lynchmob?

not a case per se but I give a reason in 112

[JarJarDrinks]

@JarJar: When did you start disliking Vax?

Charles:
132
185
347

Vax:
567
568

[JarJarDrinks]

@JarJar: When did you start disliking Vax?

Charles:
132
185
347

Vax:
567
568

Why didn't you ask about the Vax read in 373/4?

I wasnt questioning his reads because I disagreed with them. Srscreen and ETL had close to zero posts at that time so I wanted to know how he was getting a read off them.

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Actually 'nasty' is a good search too for what I'm saying.

Looking there and seeing me talking about this to Gamma before makes me like 665 if Gamma's using a meta tell on me there. (were you?)

No, but I can understand how you think that. I was just thinking he read it a little wrong because I had a little trouble reading it myself.
Also:
VOTE: Vaxkiller
At this point A50 is town to me, though not firmly. As for why Vax, as stated I think he’s kinda sorta trying to direct the town without a proper goal in mind. That kinda strikes me as scummy as it speaks of an underlying apathy towards who goes.

Any opinion on the lead wagon?

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm around but I dont know that I have much to add. I'm happy w/ the current vote leader and if Vax becomes the competing wagon I'll also be happy.

[JarJarDrinks]

Quick association ISO:

- Osuka doesnt mention Vox even once

- Vox says one thing about Osuka:

I have no read on Osuka but I could vote there, but I would prefer GoldenRob. Is tehre a case on osuka or just the typical Day 1 lynchmob?

Says he would vote there but tries to subtlety hint that the wagon isnt good.

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jarjar i'll tell you right now that you're in a pretty deep hole but so are some other slots, so if you just let go of the shovel and let everyone else dig themselves deeper, you might not top my lynch list tonight

lol have u looked at a vote count recently? Pretty sure one of us needs to dig themselves out of something but it aint me.

[JarJarDrinks]

You are not on my town list nor are on anyone elses.

Poppycock!!

rtft

No ones hard defending you or convincing me otherwise including you!

Well no shit no one's hard defending me. How tf does that have anything to do w/ ur read on me?

Like are u basically saying that you're voting me cuz it's easiest?

Like isn't that some straight ass backwards thinking?

Scum are always harder to lynch than town because they have people on their side.

The fact that no one is hard defending me should lead Vax to townread me, not scumread me.

not necessarily my guy. maybe in a newbie but definitely not here

nice wifom though

Are you saying that nobody hard-defending someone on day 1 is reason to scum read them?

Nice chainsaw though.

[JarJarDrinks]

how far up your ass, exactly, is your head?

you're picking on rvs posts? we're in the 600s already - if this isn't a straight up invented case on someone, i don't know what is

and "consolidate votes"? really? that sounds disgusting

why would you want to "consolidate votes" (read: wagon someone, probably town, so that you can lynch someone without personal repercussions) halfway through the day, especially if it's day 1? we still have a week left until n1 and you're already talking about the deadline, jesus

consolidating votes sounds like a protown suggestion to me. Nothing worse than getting close to the deadline w/ single votes all thrown about.

[JarJarDrinks]

I think osuka is a town slot also now.

Ur gonna have to try to sell this more if u expect votes to come off him. What's town?

[JarJarDrinks]

Is tehre a case on osuka or just the typical Day 1 lynchmob?

not a case per se but I give a reason in 112

followup to ur followup:

if I got a nickel for every time this was said about me

what specifically do u get called out about? Being LAMIST?

i mean what they say will vary, but I generally get called out as being scummy very early in the game by at least some of the players. Usually during rvs

So I guess we should just give u a pass on any scumminess huh?

scumpoints for an unprompted self-meta this early in the game

this is, hands down, one of the most shit reasons i've ever seen anyone try to start a lynch wagon on d1 for. especially given that the post of mine you use as the (apparently sole) reason for the push was actually a reply to a question of none other than yourself

Nah, self meta is scummy.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Osuka

As I have been reading through all these pages and catching up, the thing that stood out to me was the self meta thing, along with his response through voting JarJar. Seems a little overly defensive and to me like he picked and chose the easiest target to go after to try and get another lynch wagon going.

funny way to write "i'll just sheep jarjar"

I thought it may have been funny way to write "I'll just bus osuka".

[JarJarDrinks]

I'm not really thinking Osuka is scum here tbh.

WTF u too?

that's a 2nd crappy osuka townread w/ no conviction behind it. Who's scum Myl?

[JarJarDrinks]

You are not on my town list nor are on anyone elses.

Poppycock!!

rtft

No ones hard defending you or convincing me otherwise including you!

Well no shit no one's hard defending me. How tf does that have anything to do w/ ur read on me?

Like are u basically saying that you're voting me cuz it's easiest?

Like isn't that some straight ass backwards thinking?

Scum are always harder to lynch than town because they have people on their side.

The fact that no one is hard defending me should lead Vax to townread me, not scumread me.

not necessarily my guy. maybe in a newbie but definitely not here

nice wifom though

Are you saying that nobody hard-defending someone on day 1 is reason to scum read them?

Nice chainsaw though.

i never said that.

nice misrep though

No but u implied it. ANd if u werent implying it then what is the point of saying it?

I'm calling out Vax because his reason for voting me is terrible. He said that the fact that nobody is defending me is a his reason for voting me.

Do you think that is a bad reason or not?

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@jarjar; osuka read is gut/tone + the fact scum lynches don't happen d1 without bussing or town being in control. seems pretty obvious neither are the case here.

Why do u think it's obvious neither thing is happening?

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@jarjar; osuka read is gut/tone + the fact scum lynches don't happen d1 without bussing or town being in control. seems pretty obvious neither are the case here.

Why do u think it's obvious neither thing is happening?

Osuka really doesn't feel like he's trying to get lynched for his buddies' towncred

Scum dont try to get themselves lynched (without a really great reason). Sure a busser may try to push the lynch hard but the bussee is gonna try to stay alive obv.

+ doesn't look like he's trying to set up good associatives either.

Teach me how u one can figure this out on day one w/ no flips. How would scum go about setting up good associatives?

Really just feels like he's scumhunting genuinely.

Oh? That seems like something you maybe should have mentioned when explaining ur townread instead just saying it was gut and doenst feel lika a bus.

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+ doesn't look like he's trying to set up good associatives either.

Teach me how u one can figure this out on day one w/ no flips. How would scum go about setting up good associatives?

By fighting and distancing with one another. Scum do this. He seems more concerned with lynching scum in general than making people look good with his flip.

VOTE: Ausuka
- Osuka and I have been all over eachother for a good part of the game.
- Ausuka supposedly scumreads me.

Read what's quoted and tell me how what Ausuka is saying makes any sense.

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Yes, you have been scumreading each other, that doesn't mean his focus has been on creating good associative with you.

I asked you how would scum set up associatives and you said "By fighting and distancing with one another". Why isnt that what osuka and I are doing?

[JarJarDrinks]

What exactly is over defensive?

[JarJarDrinks]

What exactly is over defensive?

I think the fact you react so negatively to people speaking bad of you is quite telling. You seem to care way too much about your looks this game and that comes from scum more than town.

I heard you the first time. What posts specifically?

[JarJarDrinks]

Like you quoted 2 posts of mine when u voted. Are you saying I'm being defensive there?

Be more specific.

[JarJarDrinks]

osuka's flip would interest me but I don't think it'd flip scum mostly because he's been a topic of the game for the whole thing.

Why does that mean he can't be scum?

Mostly because he's been made out to be a lot more scummy than he really is.

What does him being "made out to be a lot more scummy than he really is" have to do with him being a topic of the game for so long?

You didnt say U dont think it'll flip scum cuz u dont like any of the scum points against him. You said that the reason is because "he's been a topic of the game for the whole thing".

791 sounds like straight bullshit.

[JarJarDrinks]

osuka's flip would interest me but I don't think it'd flip scum mostly because he's been a topic of the game for the whole thing.

Why does that mean he can't be scum?

Mostly because he's been made out to be a lot more scummy than he really is.

What does him being "made out to be a lot more scummy than he really is" have to do with him being a topic of the game for so long?

You didnt say U dont think it'll flip scum cuz u dont like any of the scum points against him. You said that the reason is because "he's been a topic of the game for the whole thing".

791 sounds like straight bullshit.

this post is stupid

i've been the topic of the game for as long as i have

because

youve made bullshit points and got a wagon going

I mean u've had 10 people on ur wagon, how bad could the points have been?

Regardless how does that have to do w what I'm saying? Why would someone being a "topic of the game" have anything to do with how they're gonna flip?

[JarJarDrinks]

-Tr are hop, gold, jar, tex, pine, a50, osuka.

What? Just now players started townreading osuka?

woah where did that come from Performer? Weren't u just voting there?

[JarJarDrinks]

Gonna catch up today but first I wanna throw this out there:

Lurker Lynch?

I know people are often against it around these parts but this game seems pretty ripe for it.


I'll see how I feel about it after my catchup

[JarJarDrinks]

Gonna catch up today but first I wanna throw this out there:

Lurker Lynch?

I know people are often against it around these parts but this game seems pretty ripe for it.


I'll see how I feel about it after my catchup

Performer's buddies are trying to avoid his lynch. Thus, wave.

Still catching up but I thought U townread me ?

[JarJarDrinks]

What exactly is over defensive?

I think the fact you react so negatively to people speaking bad of you is quite telling. You seem to care way too much about your looks this game and that comes from scum more than town.

I heard you the first time. What posts specifically?

Like you quoted 2 posts of mine when u voted. Are you saying I'm being defensive there?

Be more specific.

I don't know how more specific I can be by quoting 2 of your posts and saying I dislike them?

Oh IDK you can try to explain how those posts are defensive.

795 and 842 are the posts you quoted. You say u are scumreading me because I was being overly-defensive in them. Please explain.

[JarJarDrinks]

jjd fell back to scum pile just because I seriously SR him; the only thing thats stopping me is some content that I saw but I'll wait a bit before outing my reasoning

still waiting?

[JarJarDrinks]

actually I think that's my problem with some players in this game

too many people care about their own appearance and firmly defending themselves as pro-town rather than trying to solve this game and convincing others through good content

isn't it normal to be scumread?

I think defending yourself is generally good play since it can get U a better read on the person attacking you.

Being overly defensive when people are barely going after you is often a scumtell tho..

[JarJarDrinks]

People are way too distracted by how shiny and lynchbaity Performer is.

Agree w this

[JarJarDrinks]

it's like i said, no matter who you lynch today it's gonna be wrong

huh?

[JarJarDrinks]

I could be wrong but like I think there's plenty of potential for 3 town neighbourhood in a 25p game.

As a sidenote it's probably mechanically optimal to lynch in {rampage, wavemode} because they've both claimed VT. (completely unprovoked)

Are you arguing that claiming VT unprovoked is scummy?

Isn't it? It's certainly not good town play.

[JarJarDrinks]

Quick association ISO:

- Osuka doesnt mention Vox even once

- Vox says one thing about Osuka:

I have no read on Osuka but I could vote there, but I would prefer GoldenRob. Is tehre a case on osuka or just the typical Day 1 lynchmob?

Says he would vote there but tries to subtlety hint that the wagon isnt good.

Love to hear you explain how I'm scum when the flip town.

567 and 568 does an OK job of it. I never said my read on u was association. I just did an association dig of 2 of my scumreads.

[JarJarDrinks]

You are not on my town list nor are on anyone elses.

Poppycock!!

rtft

No ones hard defending you or convincing me otherwise including you!

Well no shit no one's hard defending me. How tf does that have anything to do w/ ur read on me?

Like are u basically saying that you're voting me cuz it's easiest?

Like isn't that some straight ass backwards thinking?

Scum are always harder to lynch than town because they have people on their side.

The fact that no one is hard defending me should lead Vax to townread me, not scumread me.

not necessarily my guy. maybe in a newbie but definitely not here

nice wifom though

It's crap reasoning. According to that reasoning, scum NEVER bus.

Well golly gee since scum can bus I guess we should never look at someone's motivations

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ETL, how can I be both perfromers buddy and a townread?

Do you not townread me anymore? What changed you mind?

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VOTE: wavemode

See no reason to vote performer at this stage. He's got that scummy tone which I've mislynched him for in the past so gonna need to see something a little more blatantly anti-town if I'm gonna scumread.

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and Ausuka is prob town now. I don't think scum outs the neighborhood.

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VOTE: wavemode

I will also support ANY other lurker lynch.

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ETL, how can I be both perfromers buddy and a townread?

Do you not townread me anymore? What changed you mind?

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ETL, how can I be both perfromers buddy and a townread?

Do you not townread me anymore? What changed you mind?

I never said you were his buddy...?

Am I misinterpreting this ?

Spoiler:

Gonna catch up today but first I wanna throw this out there:

Lurker Lynch?

I know people are often against it around these parts but this game seems pretty ripe for it.


I'll see how I feel about it after my catchup

Performer's buddies are trying to avoid his lynch. Thus, wave.

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ETL, how can I be both perfromers buddy and a townread?

Do you not townread me anymore? What changed you mind?

I never said you were his buddy...?

Am I misinterpreting this ?

Spoiler:

Gonna catch up today but first I wanna throw this out there:

Lurker Lynch?

I know people are often against it around these parts but this game seems pretty ripe for it.


I'll see how I feel about it after my catchup

Performer's buddies are trying to avoid his lynch. Thus, wave.

Yes but only because I misinterpreted yours. I thought you were pointing out that wave was a lurker lynch. Which he is.

And it's garbage.

Ah Ok that makes sense. I acknowledge wave is mostly a lurker lynch and that's fine with me.

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Like maybe Wave would be super scummy too if he actually posted. Performer has literally TEN TIMES the number of posts Wave does.

Lynching the top poster while allowing lurksacks to sit around and do jack shit is how you create a shitty atmosphere that scum can thrive in.

Like why would scum post knowing that posting gets you hanged?

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Performer feels like lynchbait to me. I don't have an issue with the Wave wagon, but I prefer Osuka still. I'll have to find somewhere positive to put my vote thogh.

/in before ETL tells you that he's "literally proved" that performer isn't lynchbait w/o pointing out where.

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etl is basically conftown at this point in my book

No clue how ur getting this.

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etl is basically conftown at this point in my book

No clue how ur getting this.

Simple. There’s no scum motivation at all behind ETL, unless you go completely simple with it and go “He’s trying to push a mislynch!”

Yes “He’s trying to push a mislynch!” is fine for scum motivation tho are you calling it a mislynch cuz u think it is one?

What good would that do? It’s a large.

What good would pushing a mislynch do for scum? Are you really asking this?

He’s doing the most for a mislynch bait player on day 1.

Again ur calling it a mislynch.

It just come across as scummy, but it’s more likely to come from town.

MMm Hmmm. Also thanks for answering for another player.

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and Ausuka is prob town now. I don't think scum outs the neighborhood.

I do.

ok so scum-Ausuka would only do this if the other 2 members were town right.

So like, Ausuka outs the hood to get Wave lynched who then flips green and now Ausuka not only looks bad for pushing the mislynch but is one of 2 members of the hood left?

Seems like terrible scum play.

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and Ausuka is prob town now. I don't think scum outs the neighborhood.

I do.

ok so scum-Ausuka would only do this if the other 2 members were town right.

So like, Ausuka outs the hood to get Wave lynched who then flips green and now Ausuka not only looks bad for pushing the mislynch but is one of 2 members of the hood left?

Seems like terrible scum play.

Is Ausuka also pushing the idea of it being an all-town neighborhood at the same time?

Yes but that doesn't mean that he's not aware of the site meta of there generally being a scum in hoods.

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I think deadline is close enough that people should begin to pick

sides between performer/wm

a lurker and go with it.

fixed


Seriously I never understand this on this site. Why would scum ever not lurk when the most active people are always the ones that get lynched.

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ArcAngel9, Andriod18, Myloninja13

Hey guys. The above 3 players each have < 15 posts total and if u ISO them, there is zero content in those few post.


And guess how many people are voting for them? Not a single one. Can we stop telling scum that if they want to win all they have to do is lurk?


I recomend everyone pick one.


VOTE: Andriod18


scummiest of the 3 IMO

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she's also the one of the three who's voted you this game

Yes and the fact that her reason was cuz she said I was being defensive and quoted posts where I wasn't being defensive and then refused to engage me on it is why I think she's scummiest.

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VOTE: texcat

I don't like their content

We have one day left and town is split between two wagons. There is NO point in starting a new wagon now and if you really hope to have this take off (i.e., you strongly feel that neither of the leading wagons is scum and therefore don't want to vote either) then you need to supply some more convincing points.

plenty of time for everyone to get their ass on a lurker.

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ArcAngel9, Andriod18, Myloninja13

Hey guys. The above 3 players each have < 15 posts total and if u ISO them, there is zero content in those few post.


And guess how many people are voting for them? Not a single one. Can we stop telling scum that if they want to win all they have to do is lurk?


I recomend everyone pick one.


VOTE: Andriod18


scummiest of the 3 IMO

I agree with lynching/pressuring lurkers. Wavemode was on that list before the wagon on him. He's only started posting in the last couple of days. I disagree that we have time to start a new wagon on another lurker. But btw out of that group, ArcAngel9 would be my vote. She came in, dropped a vote on Performer, and left without saying anything. But it makes me more confident that out of the Wave v Performer wagons, Wave is the better one.

yeah wavemode is pretty lurkish as well and have no issue lynching him as well and will likely move back to him if it ends up being him vs an active player (ie: performer).


I just want to make sure we're not giving these other folk a free pass.

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Where are we @ votewise?

don't kill me if I Fd up but this is what I got:

Spoiler:

Wavemode(5) ~ Ausuka, Davesaz, Performer, Texcat, Gamma Emerald
Performer(8) ~ EspeciallyTheLies, Kublai Khan, Wavemode, Vaxkiller, Lalendra, Osuka, ArcAngel9, Hopkirk
Vaxkiller(1) ~ Golden Robster
Osuka(2) ~ Pine, PenguinPower
JarJarDrinks(2) ~ Myloninja13, Andriod18
Texcat(1) ~ , Dunnstral
FlavorLeaf(1) ~ WhemeStar
Andriod18(3) ~ JarJarDrinks, Creature, Almost50

Not Voting (2): Scioness Sajj, FlavorLeaf

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Wavemode has no scumreads. JFC people, think!

I mean, neither do the lurkers right?

But I wont fight a wave lynch since he's not much better and it's infinitely better than performer.

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Are we aiming to lynch

scum

, or are we punishing people for their bad play?

Yes

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so scum want the people on their wagon to be seen as town lmao.

That's not what he said. He said it was manipulative and self-serving. As in you're trying to buddy up to those people so they back off you.

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U've heard of OMGUS right ? Is it impossible to believe the opposite might have a reverse effect?

Like why does scum buddy?

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TO THE VIG

Proper play in this case is if the lynch flips green, you shoot the competing wagon. If the lynch flips red, you shoot on association or hold your shot if you can.

FUCK THAT

You shoot a lurker.

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I guess I won't heavily oppose a performer lynch today if people want that.

I still oppose it heavily for reasons already stated. Namely:

Spoiler:

Can we stop telling scum that if they want to win all they have to do is lurk?

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I'm around finally

Oh guys look Android said he's around and then didnt do jack shit. I guess we can't lynch that because why?

Oh I remember, cuz MS meta is dictated by terrible players.

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I get that it's probably too late to get that wagoned but I'll be damned if I contribute to a shitty town atmosphere that tells scum that if they lurk they win.

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question is why no one questioned the neighborizer comment performer asked from wheme xd

cuz performer says and does weird shit.

It would be something i'd pay attention to if wheme reacted to it w/o confusion.

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Like maybe Wave would be super scummy too if he actually posted. Performer has literally TEN TIMES the number of posts Wave does.

Lynching the top poster while allowing lurksacks to sit around and do jack shit is how you create a shitty atmosphere that scum can thrive in.

Like why would scum post knowing that posting gets you hanged?

really bad anlysis.

No it's not.

There. now we've both offered an opinion w/o backing it up with any reasoning

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your lurker hunting is kinda alarming. A little more than alarming. I think it's just busy work and ghost hunting.

Actually it's the most pro-town thing ANYBODY has done this game, You're welcome.

Like you avoid the active players and stuff and wanna suggest new options repeatedly - it just doesn't sit well

I'm not avoiding the active players. I've decided to give performer a day one perma-pass in every game cuz of his posting style. I've given adequate attention to the rest I think. If u think I've ignored someone, I'd be happy to talk w/ u about them.

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Wavemode has no scumreads. JFC people, think!

I mean, neither do the lurkers right?

But I wont fight a wave lynch since he's not much better and it's infinitely better than performer.

Ok that is really contradictory with your stance. You are lurker hunting - you say wave doesn't have scumreads cuase he is a lurker and you find it a reason to not vote wave?

That's scummy as hell.

Huh? I can only vote one person. I think I've made it very clear that I dont like wave and think the wagon is good.

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tho actually rereading that I can see how it looks like I'm somewhat defending wave.

Sorry that was NOT my intention.

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question is why no one questioned the neighborizer comment performer asked from wheme xd

cuz performer says and does weird shit.

It would be something i'd pay attention to if wheme reacted to it w/o confusion.

why is that related to how wheme reacted to it? I mean the part that its about performer?

what I mean about wheme reacting to it was if he gave an indication that he had knowledge about the hood.

Obviously that would be significant.

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I'm not here to fix ms lurking culture I'm here to lynch scum.

Spoiler:

you can't remove someone from lynch pool with their post count.

in a game where Frozen Angel gets to choose all the lynches. Does scum autowin by not posting?

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Wavemode has no scumreads. JFC people, think!

I mean, neither do the lurkers right?

But I wont fight a wave lynch since he's not much better and it's infinitely better than performer.

Ok that is really contradictory with your stance. You are lurker hunting - you say wave doesn't have scumreads cuase he is a lurker and you find it a reason to not vote wave?

That's scummy as hell.

Huh? I can only vote one person. I think I've made it very clear that I dont like wave and think the wagon is good.

What about the lurker you chased looks scummier than wave? Based on what I read you said "all lurkers should burn with lynch" and people wanted to lynch in neighborhood so going after wave would be more supported?

I want to know why you avoided wave?

I guess cuz he started posting more and android continued being worthless.

I already mea culpa'd that I should not have done that.

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question is why no one questioned the neighborizer comment performer asked from wheme xd

cuz performer says and does weird shit.

It would be something i'd pay attention to if wheme reacted to it w/o confusion.

why is that related to how wheme reacted to it? I mean the part that its about performer?

what I mean about wheme reacting to it was if he gave an indication that he had knowledge about the hood.

Obviously that would be significant.

I think he initially confused whem and wave which means they are not partners if any of them is scum.

what do you think from this take of mine?

He said "why did you invite me to your neighborhood?" right?

It's day one so it's not like it's a hood where people recruit. They're just normal neighbors.

So dont really know what performer was even saying there.

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if there is a way to get content out of them

well I can tell you that the way to NOT get content out of them is telling them you dont lynch inactive players.

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I'm around finally

Why is your vote where it is.

He said I was being defensive in 795 and 842

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question is why no one questioned the neighborizer comment performer asked from wheme xd

cuz performer says and does weird shit.

It would be something i'd pay attention to if wheme reacted to it w/o confusion.

why is that related to how wheme reacted to it? I mean the part that its about performer?

what I mean about wheme reacting to it was if he gave an indication that he had knowledge about the hood.

Obviously that would be significant.

I think he initially confused whem and wave which means they are not partners if any of them is scum.

what do you think from this take of mine?

He said "why did you invite me to your neighborhood?" right?

It's day one so it's not like it's a hood where people recruit. They're just normal neighbors.

So dont really know what performer was even saying there.

You're missing the context

he said that to whem who is not his neighbor not wave who is his neighbor

also, there is a version of neighborizer not in normal I think that can choose neighbor pregame.

It's just an absoloute busy work and he made posts explaining the test he was doing - and he was doing it on wrong person. It just doesn't fit

Fair point. I'mma chalk it up to perfomer weirdness.

But if performer is scum then I think ur analysis is decent and the 2 Ws are prob town.

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I'm not here to fix ms lurking culture I'm here to lynch scum.

Just look at the lurkers then, plenty of them should be scum.

I agree

I just suck at sorting people who never post so I avoid doing it as much as possible. I really don't know how you guys can sort them

You vote for them. You'd be surprised how unlurkery people get when a wagon forms on them.

Like the whole purpose of a lynch all lurkers policy isn't actually to lynch lurkers. It's to make people not lurk.

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so ugh can we please have a lynch? pref on preformer/wave cuz i don't think we can get 11 votes in 30 hours

also, I don't think performer confused wheme with wave but it's not that important i guess

ANdroid and wave are equal in votes.

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another good reason to vote android:

There 3 people on the wagon and they're all town.

if he was town then I'd think we'd have seen some scum jump on by now. I'd think scum would love to see a town android lynched by a JJD led wagon right now.

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You obviously kill someone on your wagon.

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I assume android is on there?

shoot android cuz if that flips scum, the game is halfway solved.

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You obviously kill someone on your wagon.

This is scummy to try to lead the shot on a wagon that I think has a lot of town on it.

specially when there are so many better shots he can take.

No. What's scummy is winning the game for scum by telling them that people that post get hanged.

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Shoot from the wagon cause scum is surely on it and worst case we lose garbage town.

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Considering me and Performer are the only wagons that are going to be happening I suppose I'll vote there.

As long as Perf and Jarjar don't slip through I have no issue with my death.

so he voted performer just becasue he was the only wagon but make sure perf doesnt slip though.

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like: I suppose I'll vote there.

is a far cry from: I have no issue with my death as long as u dont sleep on him.

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like: I suppose I'll vote there.

is a far cry from: I have no issue with my death as long as u dont sleep on him.

what

really?

the first post of his clearly shows he's voting somoene that he doesnt really scumread.

The second post clearly shows he's scumreading performer.

which of these 2 do u disagree with?

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what am I missing about this mafia rolecop thing?

I;ve been loosely phone following but don't want to waste time doing a full reread in twilight.

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like: I suppose I'll vote there.

is a far cry from: I have no issue with my death as long as u dont sleep on him.

what

really?

the first post of his clearly shows he's voting somoene that he doesnt really scumread.

The second post clearly shows he's scumreading performer.

which of these 2 do u disagree with?

first post is he saying he is voting his counterwagon

second post is asking us to not let his counterwagon to slip through

where is the contradiction?

he says to not let jar and perf slip though. clearly saying those are scumreads.

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Osuka why do you trust ETL? Is it still just that she's aggressively pushing a lynch on day 1?

pedit: I meant the post before that, I was trying to clarify what my post meant because it was very very unclear.

just feels really towny and genuine. etl is just a strong townread here

Ewww. I couldn't think of 2 worse words to describe ETLs push.

If u ask me its scummy and manufactured.

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VOTE: Android

Obvious counterwagon is obvious.

VOTE: Android

It is obvious. Was also the obvious lynch yesterday. As well as the obvious vengeful-shot.


So I have little faith in the town to lynch correctly regardless of how obvious.

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Nope, we're not at deadline anymore, mindlessly tunneling a lurker isn't going to cut it

that was the reason to vote for him yesterday.

The mad rush to keep him out of the noose yesterday is the reason to vote him today.

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Nope, we're not at deadline anymore, mindlessly tunneling a lurker isn't going to cut it

so pray tell how is voting for Myloninja and his 18 posts not "mindlessly tunneling a lurker" ?

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A counter wagon that didn't go through cause the original wagon got lynched imo

what part is your opinion?

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Right, I think we should just ignore vax anyway. If he's town he's drawing mafia roleblocks on him every night so nobody else is getting blocked

and if he's not ...

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Right, I think we should just ignore vax anyway. If he's town he's drawing mafia roleblocks on him every night so nobody else is getting blocked

This is such an eww post though. What kind of logic is this? What if he is a mafia?

Yeah, and he starts out the day asking:

Yikes, not looking too good there piney

he's either accusing him of being scum there or asking a question with an obvious answer.

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and Dunn, please answer:

Nope, we're not at deadline anymore, mindlessly tunneling a lurker isn't going to cut it

so pray tell how is voting for Myloninja and his 18 posts not "mindlessly tunneling a lurker" ?

why is mylo better than android?

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if we believe vax and he was blocked last night, wavemode might be a good place to look since Vax implied that's where he'd shoot.

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not to mention the rest of the hood is town.

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town PRs at that.

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huh.

What I am saying is that out of the 3 members of the hood, 2 of them are confirmed town. Therefore making the other member more likely to be scum.

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No.

No what.

Is this the most important thing to be discussing today? Can we talk about your shit play on day 1 ?

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No.

No what.

Is this the most important thing to be discussing today? Can we talk about your shit play on day 1 ?

That's a bit uncalled for. How is providing my thoughts about the game "shit play"?

Lol. You ran down people all day for not realizing how obviously scum performer was. You called people garbage for saying he was lynchbait.

It's shitplay or it's scum.

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How does a sarcastic cool look?

more Os

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PROOF

Spoiler:

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Townies are wrong 90% of the time.

Also, speak for yourself. I'm pretty sure I've lynched more scum than town on this site.

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Do these posts look like someone who thinks that there is a 90% chance he's wrong?

he's scum. kill it with fire.

performer is confscum.

what the hell is wrong with people??? this is basic mafia 101. like, helloooooo?????

I'M NOT WRONG. PERFORMER IS SCUM. LYNCH HIM NOW.

This is infuriating. I feel like everyone is deliberately ignoring common sense.

there is absolutely zero reason to not lynch him today. all this talk about "information lynch" or "lurker lynch" is all complete and utter bullshit and none of that matters in the face of

lynching actual scum

.

i am so fucking confident performer is scum here, and i wish people would be more attentive and actually look rather than just skimming the surface and chasing idiotic vanity wagons at the 11th hour.

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in fact

VOTE: EspeciallyTheLies

That performer read was just so damn contrived.

And despite all that hard tunnelling, there was barely any reason for the read aside from tone. Which conflicts w/ saying he's not lynchbait.

The case ETL gave on performer was: Look at my ISO.

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read all that. read still looks contrived. And it still all likes a scumread based on tone.

as for it not being fair cuz ur mobile, I dont think it's fair to ask to give u a break based on something that we only have your word for

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if you're going to scumread me for pushing a scumread on DAY ONE and being wrong, at least show what makes you think it had scum motivation. (hint: there isn't any because I'm town)

How come now it's all "hurr durr, day one read don't mean nuttin"

BUt yesterday, on DAY ONE it was all: "perf is confscum, i'm 100% sure."

You see that's what makes your read so contrived. It was day one and you acted like performer was mod-confirmed scum.

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I do like ur points against Dunn though.

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i thought vax implied he'd shoot wave.

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like, if i were scum facing a vig claim, i'd be trying to predict where he would shoot and i'd be thinking he would shoot the counterwagon. if that counterwagon was town, i'd let him go and/or shoot him.

not necessarily. If the counterwagon is still alive then he's still a viable lynch the next day.

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UNVOTE:

sign of good faith as ETL seems to be trying to sort people w/ me.

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i thought vax implied he'd shoot wave.

i think he did say that. which is why i'm conflicted on the android wagon. if a50 was actually the scum shot, why? does it make sense to you? that scum would shoot a50 over the IC or gamma or anyone who was more widely townread?

Yeah we really need to hear from vax.

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like, if i were scum facing a vig claim, i'd be trying to predict where he would shoot and i'd be thinking he would shoot the counterwagon. if that counterwagon was town, i'd let him go and/or shoot him.

not necessarily. If the counterwagon is still alive then he's still a viable lynch the next day.

you're saying as far as what vax might be thinking? or are you saying that scum would be thinking to reserve him for today if he was town?

yes I'm saying that scum might block a vig shooting at town if that town was a viable lynch for the next day.

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I still dislike Jarjars push on me his smug and defense of I lynch more scum than town is a weak defense and a bad one at that.

Ok, you called 2 of my posts defensive yesterday and when I repeatedly asked you to explain how they were defensive, you literally had no answer.

So here you are again claiming I'm defending something. Would you care to explain what exactly my "I lynch more scum than town" is a defense of?

Or are you gonna again ignore my question and disappear for 3 days?

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I do agree with not lynching Vax today because he's a vig

how do you know that?

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I didn't ignore your question in the first place you just didn't like the answer.

Please point me to the post where you answer this question:

795 and 842 are the posts you quoted. You say u are scumreading me because I was being overly-defensive in them. Please explain.

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You acting like you lynch more scum than town so you should have more say in your reads is laughable and something I don't see why town would need to say instead of explaining why I'm scum

ok but thats not what you said. You said it was a "weak defense". What was it a defense of?

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Also, are you implying that I said that as a reason for people to vote for you? That clearly had NOTHING to do with you.

talk about defensive.

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and did u miss this?

I do agree with not lynching Vax today because he's a vig

how do you know that?

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You asked me to explain when I already answered the question in the first place.

LIAR!

This is you trying to make yourself look good it's a defense for no reason other than to get people to listen to you

WHAT AM I DEFENDING?

Also, are you implying that I said that as a reason for people to vote for you? That clearly had NOTHING to do with you.

I implied no such thing but of course you're gonna twist it like that

here is you implying it:

You acting like you lynch more scum than town so you should have more say in your reads is laughable and something I don't see why town would need to say instead of explaining why I'm scum

I mean, you're more than implying it. You're p much outright stating it.

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If you have any more questions for me Jar feel free to state them in your next post I'll be back after holiday.

yeah if I was getting knocked around as bad as you've been, I'd bow out also.

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Especially the lies doesnt look great today tho, who wasnt even on my radar yesterday.

lol he looks much better today than yesterday.

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Hey, Im not a vig. I claimed that yesterday to stop people pilling on the a stupid wagon and leading us to a no lynch. On top of that I was hoping I would be a scum target. Since I wasnt im assuming alot of my reads are wrong. I kinda like golden robs reactions at the start of the day, but he has a way to go for getting a town read.

Especially the lies doesnt look great today tho, who wasnt even on my radar yesterday.

Were you not worried that there was a real vig out there who'd shoot you and you'd screw over the town?

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Hey, Im not a vig. I claimed that yesterday to stop people pilling on the a stupid wagon and leading us to a no lynch. On top of that I was hoping I would be a scum target. Since I wasnt im assuming alot of my reads are wrong. I kinda like golden robs reactions at the start of the day, but he has a way to go for getting a town read.

Especially the lies doesnt look great today tho, who wasnt even on my radar yesterday.

Were you not worried that there was a real vig out there who'd shoot you and you'd screw over the town?

Did you see my follow up post after I claimed?

You mean this?

NOONE counter. I aint syaing shit else.

Yes I saw that. Then I saw this:

well give me a list of acceptable shots

[JarJarDrinks]

Hey, Im not a vig. I claimed that yesterday to stop people pilling on the a stupid wagon and leading us to a no lynch. On top of that I was hoping I would be a scum target. Since I wasnt im assuming alot of my reads are wrong. I kinda like golden robs reactions at the start of the day, but he has a way to go for getting a town read.

Especially the lies doesnt look great today tho, who wasnt even on my radar yesterday.

Were you not worried that there was a real vig out there who'd shoot you and you'd screw over the town?

Did you see my follow up post after I claimed?

You mean this?

NOONE counter. I aint syaing shit else.

Yes I saw that. Then I saw this:

well give me a list of acceptable shots

and what does all this tell you?

That whether ur town or scum, u've played terrible this game.

[JarJarDrinks]

That whether ur town or scum, u've played terrible this game.

I don't like ad hominem attacks but I also really, REALLY hate it when town lies about PR's. Because all you've done is call out the fact that there may or may not be a PR that scum may or may not have been thinking about before, did it aggressively, wasted a potential night action by another PR who may have tried to protect you etc. Although, I'm guessing we don't have a vig because if we did, despite your "NOONECOUNTERCLAIMME" flailing, I would think they would have CC'd you.

VOTE: Vaxkiller

Scum does all this why though?

[JarJarDrinks]

Frozen Angel, HopKirk, Gamma Emerald, Golden Robster

These are all strong townreads. I see real scumhunting and purpose behind all their posts. I can expound more if people want specifics.

Creature

- Town - Posting style is jarring but there's certain posts I look at that just really cant come from scum.

Pine

- Town - Not alot of posts but I like most of them. I feel like Pine is on the same page as me.

Texcat

- townlean - Posts come across as genuine and nothing very scummy that I can see.

Vaxkiller

- townlean. Faking a vig claim is just so terrible but i dont know that I see scum doing it.

PenguinPower

- slight townlean - Not enough from him yet but ok so far. rampage was null for me.

Kublai Khan

- slight scumlean I guess. Nothing in his ISO really jumps out as too scummy to me but I feel like his reads lack depth. Also he's been scumreading alot of townies.

EspeciallyTheLies

- slight scumlean - I've already posted about how I felt like his whole day 1 was contrived but I think he's playing pretty solid on day 2.

Dunnstral

- slight scumlean - He does seem to put his opinion out there which is good. But man he spent alot of time yesterday talking about how bad the people voting in the hood was. And I very much dislike 1969.

Flavor Leaf

- slight scumlean - dislike all the self meta. Keeps promising content. Where is it?

Lalendra

- scumlean. Not very much content in her posts. Quite a bit of posts that aren't really related to this game.

Myloninja13

- scum - zero reads. An ISO full of garbage.

Wavemode

- scum. There's a chance performer wagon was a counter to scumwave. I guess I wont read too much into the hood but it's still on my mind. And as people have pointed he doesnt really ever scumread anyone. He seems to be trying not to piss people off.

WhemeStar

- Scum - has literally not explained a single read in his crappy lurker ISO

ArcAngel9

- scum - Performer vote was skeevey AF and the tex vote today doesnt really look much better

Scioness Sajj

- scum - dislike her early creature defending. Also makes alot of reads but there's never much reason given. It looks like scum trying to look it's giving an opinion but w/o really doing so.

Andriod18

- Scum - I think I've posted plenty why Android is scum. It's where my vote is going as of now so I'm sure I'll be expounding on this read through the day.

[JarJarDrinks]

VOTE: Andriod18

[JarJarDrinks]

Gonna assume nobody is posting because ur all so speechless at how amazing that reads list is?

[JarJarDrinks]

Can you go through town Tex Rob?

@JarJAr I mean.

It's a lean which is just a little better than null so don't think it's a strong townread or anything.

Like I said it's just kind of a genuine tone w/ some paranoia that feels town. And nothing really scum pings me.

[JarJarDrinks]

This is bad because you've got like 5 lurkers listed as scum

Actually no it's not bad cuz lurking is scummy dude.

I really doubt the scum team is all the lurkers together

I doubt that too. What's your point? I'm sure my reads arent 100% accurate.

[JarJarDrinks]

How’s this, guys? I’m going to conftown myself by the end of Day 4.

I can conftown myself this game. Don’t worry.

Soft claims are scummy. Also, u seem pretty sure ur gonna be around on day 4.

[JarJarDrinks]

KK is now way lower on my list cuz flav leaf v KK looks like obvious scum theater.

[JarJarDrinks]

Lurking is also townie. So boom.

no it isn't

I lurk more as town.

then you play scummy as town. Dont feel bad. not everyone is good at mafia.

[JarJarDrinks]

KK is now way lower on my list cuz flav leaf v KK looks like obvious scum theater.

Lol, look at this attempt at distancing from their partner, KK.

you do admit that if you and KK are scum, I'm pretty amazing at mafia right? Picking up on that scum theater right away is pretty impressive huh?

[JarJarDrinks]

KK is now way lower on my list cuz flav leaf v KK looks like obvious scum theater.

Lol, look at this attempt at distancing from their partner, KK.

huh? thats what I'm saying about you and KK. Did u really just "I know you are but what am I? my post?

[JarJarDrinks]

I lurk heaps as town lol.

Yeah alot of people do and it sucks. Those people are obstacles that the town needs to overcome.

Trying to figure out the difference between garbage town that is acting scummy and actual scum is like one of the main things u do in mafia.

[JarJarDrinks]

You’re my main scum read, KK is my second

yeah I know how it works dude. You pretend to scumread ur buddy but you try to get me lynched so when I flip town, your scumread on KK looks bad.

[JarJarDrinks]

Flavor, whats ur read on android?

[JarJarDrinks]

I’m playing in a way where scum would be stupid to kill me.

What way is that?

[JarJarDrinks]

Let’s lynch KK, then JJ. Calling your bluff here.

nah cuz i could be wrong. Not gonna lynch on an association read.

[JarJarDrinks]

KK and JJ are clearly partners.

Point this out to me? I do scumread both but I'm not the best at getting the A is partner with B

[JarJarDrinks]

Also, are you implying that I said that as a reason for people to vote for you? That clearly had NOTHING to do with you.

I implied no such thing but of course you're gonna twist it like that

here is you implying it:

You acting like you lynch more scum than town so you should have more say in your reads is laughable and something I don't see why town would need to say instead of explaining why I'm scum

I mean, you're more than implying it. You're p much outright stating it.

Any response?

[JarJarDrinks]

I thought this initially but I think if this was scum vax he wouldn't easily retract his claim and his ATE when he was talking about he was playing bad didn't feel fake; felt like he truly believed he was playing bad.

same

[JarJarDrinks]

zzzz too many scummy players, none of them feel "informative" kills

We probably wagoned the wrong lurker.

end of day comments

I feel like scum would never just outright say stuff like this.

This is why I TR creature. He's not carefull about what he says at all like I feel scum should be. Something is on his mind and he just vomits it out.

[JarJarDrinks]

xd it's fun when you try and engage players with literally zero content and naked votes

VOTE: Whemestar

Don’t chainsaw to move focus off of Jar Jar.

lol anyone not voting for me is chainsawing?

How come ur not chainsawing for android?

[JarJarDrinks]

I crumb more as scum than town.

I’m probably a super strong PR this game and lurking for that reason.

I’m never getting lynched this game.

I can conftown myself this game.

I’m going to conftown myself by the end of Day 4.

It's more than crumbing. It's a softclaim. The proper course of action is to run him up to L-1 immediately and force a hardclaim. But just like lynching lurkers, most people on MS don't play mafia correctly so I'm sure people will just be cool w/ letting a softclaim sit out there.

[JarJarDrinks]

F it.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[JarJarDrinks]

I’m playing in a way where scum would be stupid to kill me.

How the fuck does this jive with him softclaiming?

[JarJarDrinks]

I’m playing in a way where scum would be stupid to kill me.

What way is that?

and still waiting for an answer.

[JarJarDrinks]

Also guys, I'm around for the next 3-4 hours or so and them I'm gonna mostly be VLA for the weekend so if u got any discussin u wanna do w me, now's the time.

[JarJarDrinks]

KK is now way lower on my list cuz flav leaf v KK looks like obvious scum theater.

Lol, look at this attempt at distancing from their partner, KK.

huh? thats what I'm saying about you and KK. Did u really just "I know you are but what am I? my post?

He's been saying you and KK were scumbuddies for 2 pages, is this an intentional misrep or are you just not reading his posts?

He didn't say we were distancing until after I called what he was doing scum theater (which is a form of distancing)

[JarJarDrinks]

JarJar, Your reads list omitted Golden Robster, Hopkirk, Gamma, and Frozen Angel. Why did you omit those 4?

They are at the top, all as strong townreads.