Open 728: Sharing is Caring (GAME OVER)

[Mathdino]

NSG also has like a 20% record of reading him correctly lmao

[Mathdino]

The meme is that I bring up her tells on pintu all the time because she keeps being wrong lol

Talk to me about pintu and the nightkill

[Mathdino]

I'm also having a shitty day
Sorry
I believe using your vote is a solid motivator to generate content though

Coin flips are objectively great to be at though
It's hard to be more than 50% confident on a scumread

[Mathdino]

See I'm not really 50% sure on anyone and that's my issue

[Mathdino]

Sure, me doing that is natural and is partially a justification for my own playstyle

Fundamentally, it's hard for me to believe you chose to spend that much time on whether SS was the nightkill after people were so unresponsive to it

So regardless of whether you were playing specifically me
The idea is that you're faking tinfoil town

[Mathdino]

Not Voting: HeWhoSwims, HitAlt, Zoronos, davesaz, BlackStar,

Tfw I can't policy lynch 5 people

[Mathdino]

I realize I play anti-meta wrt votes on this site.
I don’t apologize for it, but I do apologize that I can cause frustration unnecessarily.

If you're the kind of player afraid to vote, you should be pressuring people with FoSs or reads lists to make it clear your take matters

[Mathdino]

Dammit I really wish I had a neighbour this game
I feel like I'm playing with my hands tied behind my back

We have effectively 5 lynches
Meaning we need to locktown 3 VTs to autowin

If dave and hitalt aren't a team
It would be helpful to figure which is town

[Mathdino]

Speaking from an objective POV here:

- Mathdino inno on BlackStar
- BlackStar inno on ofrhz
- Zoronos inno on ofrhz
- ruru inno on BlackStar
- ofrhz inno on the worst
- the worst inno on ofrhz
- pinturicchio inno on BlackStar

HitAlt and davesaz have both retracted their innos on me and claimed VT. I don't think anyone else has jeopardized their hypoclaim (GOOD JOB GUYS ).

Assuming each player has a 1/8 chance of being the cop, these are all the players in order of most dangerous to claiming (aka they're a possible cop or someone has an inno on them):
- BlackStar (4/8, forces claims from Mathdino, ruru, pinturicchio)
- ofrhz (4/8, forces claims from BlackStar, Zoronos, the worst)
- the worst (2/8, forces claim from ofrhz)
- pinturicchio, Mathdino, ruru, Zoronos (1/8)
- HitAlt, davesaz (0/8)

Regardless of who you think the cop is, people in the above list claiming will reduce cover for the cop.

BlackStar and ofrhz are strictly suboptimal lynches today. They would, however, be incredibly useful copchecks.

I'd like to lynch solely in the pool of {pinturicchio, HitAlt, davesaz}.

I'm scumreading pinturicchio.
I'm nullreading HitAlt (a lot says scum, but a lot today says town).
I'm townreading davesaz.

I'm willing to lynch either pintu or HitAlt.

[Mathdino]

I no longer want the worst to claim

Was frustrated at the time, sorry about that.

[Mathdino]

Probably
If he's scum he's probably scum with pintu
So I'd like to lynch pintu first then massclaim tomorrow after the vig and cop flips

[Mathdino]

Notice how incredibly little that chatterbox duckling has talked about pintu
And for those of you who think I'm a team with TW, read our interactions because that's out of both our ranges to talk about it

TWscum thrives on pocketing town and distracting from his team

A TW scumflip would essentially guarantee a next lynch on pintu and vice versa
TW deciding the nk might also explain keeping me alive - he had me pocketed

We should flip pintu

[Mathdino]

TW followed me onto both Hitalt and davesaz
He's not going to bus himself into 3p, he doesn't think he's THAT good

The number of viable scumteams for him is low
The number of viable scumteams for pintu is high

So if you're scumreading TW, you should wait for pintus flip and tonight's results
We'll get 4 pieces of information come tomorrow

[Mathdino]

Exactly
Which is why we should lynch pintu

[Mathdino]

His d1 play is unfakable, as is his AtE
He just came back from hiatus, he's not some top tier scum player

[Mathdino]

I can think of three total viable scum teams for TW, but you predicated one out from this discussion for obvious reasons.
How many viable teams are you seeing for Pintu?

Uh OK then list all the viable scumteams

3 possible partners is low
In the span of one day night cycle, 1 can be lynched, 1 can be copped, and 1 can be killed

[Mathdino]

I would personally take Zor to endgame without a doubt in my mind

[Mathdino]

I have an inno on blackstar so understand that I'm going to be biased here
There's no universe where it makes sense for me to vote TW

If it makes you feel more comfortable, I can request a copcheck on myself assuming I'm not the cop

Understand that I as scum probably would be able to shoot the cop or fake a guilty on them tomorrow anyway, so if I'm being completely honest, there's a definite risk in that
Granted that's true regardless of who the cop checks

Vigs are easier to shoot than cops anyway

[Mathdino]

Yeah that may be true but I was lowkey making a bullshit concession there

TW is just not a good lynch, folks

Help me flip pintu

Edit: average? No one crumbed this game except HWS who claimed anyway

[Mathdino]

At least I didn't notice anyone passively crumb
Cryptographic crumbs are tough and I think I'm the only one here who checks for those as scum

[Mathdino]

@zor: You think pintu is a PR and I don't?

Here's the deal

We need 5 town to win assuming tonight's vigshot isn't blocked

1. The vig
2. The cop
3. The cop's inno
4. Davesaz
5. Whichever of me, ruru, and you isn't a PR

A preemptive pr claim actually doesn't hurt us all that much
And neither does pintu claiming vt

Pintus never getting shot though
So if you're set on not flipping pintu, I'm going to demand a Hitalt flip

[Mathdino]

Here I was going to claim you were the vig, lol

If that's something to consider, then we lynch Hitalt

[Mathdino]

if you're wrong vig can just shoot pintu and save us a lot of headfuckery

pedit: being vague is for n00bs this is fun

Mafia doctor is alive

This is the one setup where vig should pretty much hero shoot within the lynchpool

[Mathdino]

Keep in mind the following:

HWS should start jailkeeping on the following conditions:
- the cop gets outed (then jail tonight, cop doesn't act)
- a PR dies
In the case that hws should start jailing, he should announce his target in the case that there's a red flip

Vig shouldn't shoot again
If the cop is outed they shouldn't act

Massclaim tomorrow no matter what
Scum has a rolecop so they already know things anyway

[Mathdino]

If you holstered as a vig, you'd be stupid
Explain your statement yesterday where you said you'd wait til post-game to explain something
I assumed this was a "my actions make sense because I'm the vig" claim

[Mathdino]

Your call

[Mathdino]

It would be good to see pintu and hitalt crossvoting though
Would help me do the math on who can be lynched

I'm never lynching TW today
And Dave can probably go to endgame? Maybe?

[Mathdino]

Also isn't vig +EV tonight if we lynch town and jk doesn't need to act

JK should still act if cop gets outed, but cop won't get outed so we're good

Vig needs to act tonight to bring us back to odds yes

Hey pintu do you understand why I can't lynch TW though
Like tell me who I should be considering here

[Mathdino]

I guess i would policy lynch Dave over like ruru
I assume you're still hard townreading ruru?

But no, the thing that changed was me actually doing the work I promised to do
Reading his ISO and his scum meta

I wouldn't mind a copcheck on him but it's probably better elsewhere

Is there anyone I sh

[Mathdino]

I'm guessing no one gets to do anything
If your shot gets fucked by jk, you're still expending the shot

We should always direct who uses shots each day

[Mathdino]

Then you shouldn't have been wasting your vote and doing so was literally asking me to policy lynch you
I wanted another good suspect, not a tantrum

[Mathdino]

Yeah i have like a 100% record on him from d2
He's scum this game

[Mathdino]

Nah
Cop should act tonight, not jk I think
We want to be back in odds

[Mathdino]

I disagree with the notion that me and pintu should crossvote.
But since he already voted to kill, I'll have no trouble to follow it up.
I think my vote would put him at L-1, so in case he's scum with the intention to selfhammer I'll hold on to it for a while longer.

If our JK agrees with Dino, then maybe claim a JK target for the chance that pin flips red.

Anyone else with something on their mind should speak before it too.

I disagreed too; do you have any better alternative? I could vote Math at this point

i ask the same question

like i literally don't know who else you guys expect me to scumread at this point

- ruru is town because pintu and NSG says so
- Zor is town because that shit is unlikely to be faked (although the fact that he is neither the vig nor a VT trying to act like the vig is concerning)
- BlackStar is town because i have an inno on him and NSG was hard townreading him

- davesaz is town because i actually did my research. if you want to convince me otherwise, that's your job. neither of you have tried.
- ofrhz is town because she doesn't seem reachy at all this game. her ISO mostly makes sense. if i'm wrong on someone it's probably here. again, convince me instead of sitting around and complaining.
---- that said, 3 people have a hypo-inno on her, so lynching her essentially forces a half-massclaim

- TW is town because he has almost no viable scumpartners besides pintu and maybe ofrhz

this leaves Hitalt and pinturicchio

[Mathdino]

I feel like even when I put my vote on the_worst the other people that suspected him were zzz on the matter and the wagon got nuked.

Because we have at least three players who are somewhat under MDs thumb.
I also think TW is a likeable duckling, so he has that going for himself, which sucks.
MD controls this game in an admirable way anyhow.
And I think very few of this playerlist have the will or the skill to go against the stream and disagree with MDs mechanics-theorizing. (assuming scum!Dino falsifies them)

I'm starting to think that MD might even be the more likely scum out of the two, but I still think they are a duo.
If the vig shoots town tonight, and scum kills our cop, where are we left tomorrow?
Pintu is lynched today, and unless I'm wrong on them like I was on jjh, we will mislynch.
I will be the designated lynch tomorrow after a townflip on Pintu (as MD thinks TW is scum only with him).
It all spells out MD+TW for me.

The only thing I have a slight hope for is that Pinocchio is scum after all, and I'm just way off this game.
Scum!Pintu would "clear" TW and MD for me, so I'd be free to leave my tunnel where I've been living in a dumpster.

you have an incredible number of false assumptions

- i'm on record for never lying about mechanics and theory as scum. i've stated that multiple times outside of this game, and this is literally my scum philosophy. i have chat records and scum PTs to prove that.

- if you think it's MD/TW, then the correct thing to do here is to wait and see if neither of us get NK'd, not lynch the town leaders who just handed you scum yesterday because you don't like the PoE

- you assume that i would shoot VT NSG (PLAYING HER VT GAME, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE) instead of
-- a jailkeeper, who is stronger every time scum flips
-- a cop or a vig, when i have a literal

100% record of PR hunting

-- zoronos or someone who actually clashes with me

- you assume that i would do the above, which would ruin my ability to say "hey a VT died therefore i'm town" in all future games, when i care more about my towngames than my scumgames (also something i'm on record for)

- you assume that i would PoE myself so hard to the point of having a 2 person lynchpool thinking i can weasel out of it somehow.

- you assume that i would hardbus my framer when i was literally the only one with meta knowledge on him, and when i wasn't planning on shooting the cop last night

- and given that you're unaware of basic shit about my play (how many games have i said "i don't believe scum lies" and "i don't lie about mechanics"???) you've clearly done 0 meta research on me, which means that despite my apathy, i've done three times as much work this game as you have

lynch pintu, see what happens. if the cop dies, we'll talk tomorrow. request a copcheck on me if you have to, or treat "the cop not dying" as yet another inno on me. your call.
you lynching me doesn't stop the cop from dying if i'm scum.

[Mathdino]

and yeah imma take credit for that lynch because for fuck's sake
i had to bring up personal discord chats with jjh in order to pull a solid scumcase on him
if you think that a math/TW team decides to crossbus between all 3 of us and expects not to get BoP'd in endgame, you're actually insane

here is the full list of mislynchable players i did not push:
- something_smart
- davesaz
- hewhoswims
- hitalt

if i'm scum, this is potentially the worst scumgame i've ever played
i will D1 bus creature
i will D1 bus anyone if i feel like my back's against the wall
but dammit i was the one that even brought jjh's meta to the table

[Mathdino]

Notice how incredibly little that chatterbox duckling has talked about pintu

..and this is complete BS. I said this already too: if they were scum together, it would be so much fun for them to fake interaction in game, that they would def. go overboard with it, more likely than avoid it.

THIS IS LITERALLY NOT HOW TW-SCUM PLAYS

holy balls my man

it's not how i play either but self-meta self-meta right?

go read TW's scumgames, i've fucking caught him on associations before

TW as scum feels as if his job is to get in the town's good graces, not prepare for the endgame by fucking any and all associations
he doesn't focus on associations, he focuses on himself and not getting lynched
i lowkey think he avoids over-the-top scum/scum interactions because he feels he'll slip up, especially without daytalk

[Mathdino]

you have a shortcoming in the logical department

if pintu says ruru is town, i will trust that until pintu flips scum

if TW's only viable scumpartner is pintu, he's town until pintu flips scum

THAT'S WHY I WANT TO FLIP PINTU

if pintu flips scum, THAT'S when we reevaluate ruru and TW, not today

[Mathdino]

you STILL haven't answered who i should be scumreading from my POV

my PoE trajectory can be read through my ISO

you, like all the rest, are voting me because you don't like it

but you've at no point addressed why i shouldn't believe and push the reads i currently have

Edit: are you kidding me

[Mathdino]

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How about you stop being lazy town dino and/or scum dino and evaluate TW and ruru by yourself?

- i've been evaluating TW all damn game. his chosen strategy is a fundamental part of his playstyle. i can't talk about that. but in short, i think one of the following:
A. he's a PR.
B. he's a VT actively trying to draw the NK.
C. ofrhz is a cop and has an inno on him.
D. i'm the cop and have an inno on one of his two viable scumpartners. outside chance of ofrhz, who i'm townreading.

- the more that i talk about my read on TW in general, the more capable he is of adjusting his play to me. he does this as town because his mafia philosophy is all about charisma. i don't deal well with in-game chameleons. but i've done a lot more reading TW than you think

- i'm not arrogant enough to think that i'm better at reading ruru than NSG and pintu combined. me trying is just going to be a distraction. i know my place.

[Mathdino]

Hey, scumteam!
You now have two votes on MathDino already.
You have a chance to get rid of this powertown and the blame will likely fall on me/pintu anyway.
So like..vote him.
We won't be paying attention.

did you just vote me as a honey trap and then tell the scumteam that it's a trap

[Mathdino]

respond to 2020

what do you find inconsistent with town-me here

you've played with me and my mafia philosophy tons of times

[Mathdino]

what do you find inconsistent with

scum

-me here

Bolded: I could make this exact same question

- i'm on record for never lying about mechanics and theory as scum. i've stated that multiple times outside of this game, and this is literally my scum philosophy. i have chat records and scum PTs to prove that.

- if you think it's MD/TW, then the correct thing to do here is to wait and see if neither of us get NK'd, not lynch the town leaders who just handed you scum yesterday because you don't like the PoE

- you assume that i would shoot VT NSG (PLAYING HER VT GAME, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE) instead of
-- a jailkeeper, who is stronger every time scum flips
-- a cop or a vig, when i have a literal 100% record of PR hunting
-- zoronos or someone who actually clashes with me

- you assume that i would do the above, which would ruin my ability to say "hey a VT died therefore i'm town" in all future games, when i care more about my towngames than my scumgames (also something i'm on record for)

- you assume that i would PoE myself so hard to the point of having a 2 person lynchpool thinking i can weasel out of it somehow.

- you assume that i would hardbus my framer when i was literally the only one with meta knowledge on him, and when i wasn't planning on shooting the cop last night

- and given that you're unaware of basic shit about my play (how many games have i said "i don't believe scum lies" and "i don't lie about mechanics"???) you've clearly done 0 meta research on me, which means that despite my apathy, i've done three times as much work this game as you have

[Mathdino]

see hitalt here's basically where i'm at regarding you

- in light of the flip, your D1 play is nakedly pro-scum

+ you've made i think 3 or 4 posts today that i find unlikely to come from scum

- but you're also stubborn and are a lot to deal with which activates my policy sensibilities and makes me wonder if you're just able to fake your towngame in a pinch

- you chose a very safe hypoclaim target and took that back hilariously quickly, claiming VT

+ but also shouting me down as hard as you have is roughly suicidal

all in all if i'm being honest i'm kind of at null-town with you (my policylust brings you to null-scum)
you're more of a compromise lynch i'm super okay with, if anything

i believe we'll have enough information on D3 to do a gamesolve. i don't think you need to replace out or reveal.

but i do think that the correct move for both (and all) of us is to flip pintu and go from there.

[Mathdino]

- you don't get to say "mathdino is insidiously using mechanics against town" and also say that i'm not lying about mechanics. and hitalt specifically said that i was potentially lying about mechanics.

- you saying that i'm NOT one of the town leaders is plain ridiculous.

you just said that i caused both your wagons.

that makes me a leader.

- that said, i've actively told people all damn day to stop letting me just lead all over the place and to get off their asses and vote and case people instead of waiting on me to do a bunch of work. you act like i intended this town to be lazy.

- i was NSG's biggest cheerleader on D1 and she even quoted my take that jjh is obvtown as town. no one else in this game had that information (other than TW, who is apparently our scumpartner). had i argued against jjh's lynch, that lynch wouldn't have happened.

[Mathdino]

We started out this dayphase with hitalt and Davesaz as math’s preferred lynches

every D2 my strategy is either:

- on a townflip, do basic VCA, ctrl+F people's votes, and hipfire a lynchpool

- on a scumflip, ctrl+F everyone's ISO for the lynched scum and hipfire a lynchpool

hitalt got townier through the day
davesaz i just didn't bother really trying to read until later today

[Mathdino]

I'm open to good arguments why he's not town but I see more tearing down each other's arguments than making points that stand alone
Someone do a scumcase and I'll check it out

[Mathdino]

I have a feeling that if he claims cop, we'll get a scum lynch today anyway no matter what

Pintu should claim so we can get things rollin

[Mathdino]

Was just about to do that TW
Fuck your marginal amount of extra towncred

[Mathdino]

VOTE: pinturicchio

If you insist

[Mathdino]

LOL

he knows that if he claims cop he's getting counterclaimed no question

leaving mafia with one member left against 3 PRs, unwinnable

only chance here is to claim VT and hope i won't be like "well mafia would obviously claim cop in this situation"

i am fairly sure he is scum

THAT SAID

i do respect pintu's towngame and i would like to give him time and realtime interaction since we have time to kill anyway
i just don't want anyone to get cold feet like they did in Tit for Tat where pintu gets shittons townier only after he reaches the lynch threshold

[Mathdino]

UNVOTE:

dude the vote count is literally a few posts up, that's not going to catch anyone

i get the hammer

i created this, i'll take responsibility for the flip

[Mathdino]

I mean that clearly doesn't reflect his newfound alliance with Hitalt against the evil unsortable town leaders

[Mathdino]

Disagree, there are 7 solid hypo innos currently

Also he obviously only picked blackstar cuz 2 other people did
I'm peeved Zoronos was so set on him being the cop

[Mathdino]

No change
I want the hammer though
Symbolic, taking responsibility, etc
And I wanna make sure pintu says his piece, need to ask some things

[Mathdino]

And yeah my bad
Anyway stay course, remember that pintuscum is ironically townier after getting lynched than he is before

We should use the remaining time for everyone to go over last minute reads
I'll probably end it in 48

[Mathdino]

I’m surprised you mixed up my take on Pintu’s role.
But given his claim, you were right, he is either VT or scum.

I expected a claim there. Though long ago I once joked with someone that “give me a minute to write up my claim” was synonymous with “please wait, crafting lies...”

But scum-Pintu really has no choice here, he must claim VT. The probability of winning if he dies but exposes a PR is much lower than if he claims VT and possibly lives.

HitAlt: do you think Pintu is town or scum here? I feel like your last post implied the latter but I’m not super clear.

Meh it's late and I'm phoneposting, I don't keep a list of claims and anticlaims

He couldn't have been stalling because no daytalk pt

Agreed on him having to claim VT. The pr softclaims got on my nerves tbh

It doesn't matter sorting pintu right now imo
We have support for him in a way that we don't elsewhere, and he's our 3rd claim today
I'm primarily concerned about getting thoughts out about the rest
Especially from pintu

[Mathdino]

I mean to be clear I'm still scumreading him
I just don't think it's worth debating with people offwagon on whether he's scum
He's getting lynched

[Mathdino]

ITT: "I haven't seen or read Mathdino's scumgame but he's an evil mastermind and planned everything from the start"

I'm unconcerned with this case. pintu is in a position I think where he

has

to scumread me. But thinking the game is solved with a pretty bow on D2 (to the point of wanting to run up yet another claim) is just unrealistic.

If it's me and BlackStar, it'll be obvious if LyLo hits and we're both still alive. For now, banking the game on the one niche scenario is bad play.

@pintu:

I could've had TW L-1 you and hammer you to quit your casing, but I didn't. I'm keeping you around so I can work with you.

I'm not asking you to stop scumreading me. You can shout I'm scum to the rooftops with your dying breath if you want. But there's no way you're more than 50% sure that you've solved the game with that one scumteam.

So I need stuff from you for the other 50% chance:

1.

I'm a VT. Who's scum?

I assume BlackStar going from your reads.

2.

I'm a cop and I actually have an inno on BlackStar. Who's scum?

3.

I need reiteration on your read on ruru and I want your take on ofrhz.

I wasn't there for all of 1859.

[Mathdino]

Some responses to specific things:

I believe what Dino has tried to do this whole game is like "being the reincarnation" of NSG.

This is largely accurate.

NSG died, revealed VT, Dino has been saying loud and clear that it was obvious that NSG was VT and that he has been following NSG' reads the whole game.

NSG thinks she acts the same as VT and PR. In reality her PR game is more like her scumgame.

It's a psichological way to make us believe he's town by making us complete the blank spaces between "NSG confirmed town --> Mathdino confirmed town". So yeah, Mathdino going on jjh when he was being focused by NSG means to me that Dino understood that jjh wasn't having a good game and it was time to get some credit. Timing is important: remember Dino's firsts impressions on jjh? It changed drastically after some time.

That psychological play isn't how I think of playing scum. Check my scum PTs.
jjh wouldn't have gotten lynched without the meta information that I had, and especially wouldn't have gotten lynched had I hardpushed someone else. My impression of him was consistent through all of D1. Unless you mean like my page 1-3 impressions, which ofc are going to change drastically later on.

2. ruru: I made enough crumbing to make a believable claim as cop. Not that I was going to do it anyway since I'm VT, but as I said, I did a good job playing like a PR. That's why I think I was rolecopped: if they were paranoid about me being a PR or a VT playing like a PR, they would rolecop me, push me if I'm VT or leave me alone and kill me if I'm a PR. Mathdino is a good PR hunter, let's assume that after HWS revealing himself, he has 3 alternatives to be the remaining PRs: me and the other 2 PRs.

I saw no evidence of you crumbing cop on D1. Most of that has been D2.
In this playerlist, my first rolecop priority is always going to be the worst, who largely subscribes to the A50 school of VT/PR fakeout play.
None of this explains why I would let the cop get a check AND let the vig get a shot if I already had 3 candidates for PRs.

Or why I wouldn't tell all my scumpartners to claim cop when run up. Or vig. Again, check my scum PTs. Some of you seem to think I play scum like I play town -- super strategic, kind of puppetmastery. That isn't the case.

No comment on BlackStar.

[Mathdino]

Same with Dino "100% rate of shooting PRs"; this could be Dino's great scumgame to get more range for future games.

I don't think you're understanding.

As scum, I put an incredible amount of effort into ensuring that I shoot a PR every night. This is to the point of metadiving players and their PR games during the 48 hour night to make absolute fucking sure I know who the PRs are. When I can't make up my mind, I shoot confirmed town (I've gotten mocked for thinking shooting Innocent Childs is good play).

Why do I do this?

Because now, when I'm town (and I'm town more than I'm scum), every time a VT dies, I can say "LOL WASN'T ME" and clear myself on D2. I've pulled this argument before in multiple places.
Also because I fundamentally believe shooting PRs is good play.

In other words, I put a shitton of effort into playing well as scum at night, in order to benefit my towngame.

If this is the one scumgame where I've chosen NOT to do this, I've ruined that benefit for all future towngames.
On top of that, I've probably also ruined this game by not shooting any of the 3 PRs. Think about that. We're in 10p and there are 4 clears.
I'm not going to put myself into a losing position in this game on the offchance I survive to 3p with this WIFOMy argument, ESPECIALLY when that fucks over my future towngames.

Doing that won't get me more range for future games. It just messes up one of my "confirm myself as town" tricks.

[Mathdino]

1. This would be the 20%, but yes, Blackstar would be one, the other would be the worst. He's the other player I've been suspecting long ago, because of interactions that seems off and because NSG being the N1 kill.

2. That would make the worst the best candidate to push, and the other between dave and ofrhz by PoE.

3. ruru is town and you'll have to believe me on that. She's the same town!ruru that played on PYP that wasn't scared of you and my stand on her is exactly the same: the only way ruru is scum in this game is that she's your partner, but I got over that. If you want like an actualization of the read, I don't believe she would push me as scum, 'cause after having a long scumgame together, I would get her in no time.
My take on ofrhz is basically that she will get caught by PoE eventually, so there's no need to solve that slot. I think she's town, but if she's scum, it will be easy to find out after two or more flips.

Give me something in exchange: I'm VT. Who's scum? I assume HitAlt from your reads.

1. I agree with this. I wouldn't have copped BlackStar if I was hard townreading him.

2. I disagree with this. I don't think TW/dave makes sense. TW/ofrhz, possibly.

3. I do believe you on ruru. I just want to make sure you still believe it.
Could you ISO ofrhz and get back to me?

If you're a VT:
- I can tell you that VT-me would definitely chisel into BlackStar here. Not sure on partner.

- But with my inno, gamestate looks like:

Town: Mathdino, BlackStar, HWS
Obvtown: ruru
Probtown: Zoronos, dave
???: TW, HitAlt, ofrhz

If not you, I'd be lynching HitAlt right now, yeah.
Remember that unless I'm the cop and BlackStar is the vig (:facepalm:), at least 1 of those people is a PR anyway. Game likely solved tomorrow once the dust settles.

[Mathdino]

ruru, unless you want to start a dialogue to sort me better, I still think the pintu/Dino 1v1 is a waste of time. I really don't see another lynch happening. And if it's outside of HitAlt/dave, it probably triggers a massclaim.

I'm more interested in sorting ofrhz while both of you are still around.

[Mathdino]

Spoiler: @pintu (honestly others don't really have to read this)

How does it benefit me in this or future games to expand my scumrange?

Having a larger scumrange hurts you as a player. People will always be paranoid of you. I in part owe my towngame to the fact that I roll scum so rarely (and got replaced out of 2 scumgames) that my scumgame just never got real practice.

If you're saying that I would use this as an opportunity to show my chops as a scumplayer, sure. That was how I treated that newbie game. Those few times that I do roll scum, it's fun to show off.

But in that case I'd be showing off in terms of my play.
Not in terms of shooting myself in the foot by killing a VT-NSG, leaving all 3 PRs alive (almost guaranteeing the vig gets a 2nd shot and brings us back to evens), initiating a hypoclaim to publicise the 4th conftown,

hypoing an inno on my only scumpartner

, and nagging people to keep their hypoclaims in order to protect the cop.

If I were scum, regardless of my scumpartner, I would consider this a failure. There is literally no player here that I could see myself as scum with, thinking "You know, we really set ourselves up well!"
The damn framer got lynched D1 partially because of me, and claimed the lowest priority PR possible.

So yeah scum-me is showing off my scum chops beautifully in terms of play (my dayplay this game is leagues beyond my scum meta), but every mechanical and high-level strategic decision has been utter shit so far and scum-me should be ashamed.

[Mathdino]

Spoiler: @pintu (honestly others don't really have to read this)

How does it benefit me in this or future games to expand my scumrange?

Having a larger scumrange hurts you as a player. People will always be paranoid of you. I in part owe my towngame to the fact that I roll scum so rarely (and got replaced out of 2 scumgames) that my scumgame just never got real practice.

If you're saying that I would use this as an opportunity to show my chops as a scumplayer, sure. That was how I treated that newbie game. Those few times that I do roll scum, it's fun to show off.

But in that case I'd be showing off in terms of my play.
Not in terms of shooting myself in the foot by killing a VT-NSG, leaving all 3 PRs alive (almost guaranteeing the vig gets a 2nd shot and brings us back to evens), initiating a hypoclaim to publicise the 4th conftown,

hypoing an inno on my only scumpartner

, and nagging people to keep their hypoclaims in order to protect the cop.

If I were scum, regardless of my scumpartner, I would consider this a failure. There is literally no player here that I could see myself as scum with, thinking "You know, we really set ourselves up well!"
The damn framer got lynched D1 partially because of me, and claimed the lowest priority PR possible.

So yeah scum-me is showing off my scum chops beautifully in terms of play (my dayplay this game is leagues beyond my scum meta), but every mechanical and high-level strategic decision has been utter shit so far and scum-me should be ashamed.

Yeah Dino but you see, there's a thing called WIFOM... where doing exactly the opposite of what people expect for you to do as scum could be a good reliable thing to do to get a good game at the end. You saying "I would never do this or that as scum" is what pings me as making yourself a better scum player, for future games being able to say "yes, I would do that either as scum or town" to get better scumgames in the future. What I'm saying is, you're not shooting your own foot here as much as you're depicting it, 'cause you have so much more tells as town that losing a bit of % chance as town wouldn't affect you at all in practice.

I invite other people to parse this and figure out whether it makes sense.

I understand there's WIFOM.

But it doesn't benefit my future scumgames to expand my scumgame. It hurts it.

Are you suggesting that I shot a VT so I can shoot PRs as scum later on and be like "hey man I've shot VTs before, don't look at me"?

[Mathdino]

This is by far the towniest Pintu's posted all game, even if he's doing so under maximum pressure.

Stop it. This is exactly what I'm talking about. I've seen scum-pintu literally request to get vigged and then start a massive end-of-day discussion when he was at maximum pressure.

Scum-pintu is townier under pressure. I'll accept a HitAlt lynch (even though I think he's definitely townier), but we're not pulling more claims.

[Mathdino]

I'm not saying you're scum for your play since the L-1.

I'm saying that your behaviour after getting basically hammered is totally NAI. In my mind, I got my lynch already and I'm talking to a dead player.

I'm trying to say that this time is more for "talking to pintu and getting reads out of him" than it is for "sorting pintu and deciding on the lynch". The lynch was already decided. I didn't not-hammer pintu because I'm having second thoughts. I did it to reiterate the ruru and ofrhz reads because I trust town-him on those.

[Mathdino]

No, what I suggest is that, by increasing the things you could do either as scum or town, you get better scumgames. Let's say there are 10 parameters for determine a player's playstyle. Let's say one of the parameters is "shooting VTs" in your case. As you say, shooting a VT is something you wouldn't do as scum, so your towngame gets a boost whenever a VT is shot. But if in all of your 10 parameters you work in favour of boosting your towngames, then your scum playstyle gets reduced to so little ways of playing that you will eventually get caught everytime at the end. What I'm implying is that loosening one of the 10 restrictions you applied into your 10 parameters, you don't affect that much your towngames in comparison to the boost you get at getting new tools for playing scum. You can do that until the marginal cost of increasing a bit more your scumgames is zero, where you will reach a perfect balance between scumplay and townplay. But of course, we know that you will have much more towngames than scumgames, so you can apply that restriction and yes, you will want to have much more towntells that you don't want to fake as scum, but not everything.

Why would I feel like I need to boost my future scumgames...?

You're seriously saying that I made a suboptimal play (shooting VT NSG) for meta reasons so I have a sliver more of a chance to win

future scumgames

over this one?

You think I'd fuck over my teammates just to expand my range for later on?

[Mathdino]

I don't think Mathdino as scum needs to literally rolecop someone to know they're VT, given his perfect record of identifying PRs to NK as scum. So even if you wanted to keep pushing the argument that scum!Mathdino chose this game of all games to NOT kill a PR, this logic still doesn't make that much sense.

Just wanna step in and say that I wouldn't just not use a rolecop if I were scum. I'd use it on someone difficult to sort between VT/PR.

aka the worst.

@pintu: I didn't out your inconsistency because I was really hoping you would fakeclaim cop.

[Mathdino]

There's a difference between HitAlt and dave both saying "fuck it I'm retracting my hypoclaim to vote this motherfucker" and you accidentally putting BlackStar as null in your reads list.

[Mathdino]

I have a feeling that if he claims cop, we'll get a scum lynch today anyway no matter what

Pintu should claim so we can get things rollin

this was specifically a post i made to goad you into fakeclaiming cop

notice the double entendre

[Mathdino]

also not gonna lie
i didn't actually notice you fuck up your hypoclaim
i think TW was the one who noticed it and i just didn't comment
but correct me if i'm wrong

again, big difference between voting and pushing your hypo-inno

and forgetting your hypoinno for a single reads list

[Mathdino]

You should be able to meta TR me off team mafia plus other games we've been town together. No research should be necessary.
VOTE: Mathdino

That's a fuck you death tunnel btw.

I know that probably sounds weird... Example Mathdino is a medium town but it's a weak read. HitAlt and BlackStar are null and weak reads, etc.

davesaz (strong duh - the role PM can't be wrong)
HeWhoSwims - un-cc'd PR, would be weak read without that.

Zoronos (strong)
ruru (medium)
Mathdino (weak)

My hypoclaim was also bad. I think MathDino might actually be scum here.

notice the difference

[Mathdino]

I assume then that TW and ruru are still able to help push the lynch through if someone gets cold feet.

Cop + Vig tonight - correct
vig should only shoot between people who are obviously not the cop
doesn't matter if you hit scum (scum will prob get doc'd anyway) as long as you hit someone in the lynchpool

If pintu flips green:
- Massclaim tomorrow. the vig can choose to claim VT unless they're about to get lynched i think?
- Cop gets shot = use the jailkeeper as the cop
- Vig gets shot = use the jailkeeper as the cop, cop doesn't act
- JK gets shot = vig claims VT for sure, and hopefully shoots twice more (shooting once doesn't affect EV at all)

If pintu flips red:
- Cop should claim both their innos if they're still alive. This solves the game.
- if cop gets shot, use jailkeeper as cop all the same

[Mathdino]

Hmm I don't understand

If there are 2 scums and jk claims a scum target ahead of time, the other scum will do the nk

Otherwise scum will just shoot jk first and then cop and we get no information, right?

What am I missing here

I assume that if pintu flips green and there's a massclaim, there's no way scum won't get lynched tomorrow just by PoE.

Idk I don't think we really need to plan out N3 actions on D2.

[Mathdino]

Tell u tmrw

That doesn't do me much good if we're debating lynching Pintu now. >.<

WE'RE NOT DEBATING WHETHER TO LYNCH HIM

literally all i have to do to lynch him right now is be like "hey ruru/TW, can you put him at L-1 for pressure please?" and then lolhammer

[Mathdino]

that said, i'm not doing that

i'd like to hammer in around 24 hours tho

[Mathdino]

you're currently voting pintu so you're doing a great job continuing to deliberate aren't you

there are 6 players other than you willing to vote pintu

i don't understand why you never seem to consider what lynches are possible/realistic

[Mathdino]

HWS wants davesaz and outside of that seems to think almost anyone could be scum

put pintu at L-1, i'll hammer when HWS has checked in (or if he gets prodded cuz i'm not waiting for him)

hmmmmm
if pintu flips scum, should we still have the cop act or should we do JK+vig instead? (where JK names a target beforehand)

[Mathdino]

Hmm

Cop:
- No result if cop gets shot by either faction

JK:
- Telegraphs a non-vig target reducing docpool
- Fake guilty on scum's target
- Fake guilty if scum choose to no-shoot
- Could hit the vig

I think I like cop better

That's a good way of putting it.

Okay, just need HWS's potentially dying reads then.

I assume you're not L-1ing because you're afraid I'm gonna do the thing I said I would do and lolhammer?

[Mathdino]

i'm copping TW btw and you guys should do the same

blackstar would also be a solid copcheck since he's not getting NK'd

[Mathdino]

> be a dinosaur
> hardtownread pintu for a towntell
> get told by pintu that wasn't a towntell
> canvas 7 votes for pintu
> get told i'm scum
> claim the hammervote in order to take maximum responsibility for lynch
> reserve the hammer in order to keep pintu around longer
> pintu purposefully shortens his own life

holy scumclaim batman

also it should be noted that ruru is no longer hardclear if pintu flips scum
and should probably be considered a light to decent townread in that event

[Mathdino]

> claim the hammervote in order to take maximum responsibility for lynch

all i've done all week is take personal responsibility for this lynch

and you're sitting here shouting "BOO IT'S MATHDINO'S FAULT"

like do you think i don't know that

i'm literally not even on your wagon and i've been stalling your lynch for a while now

i don't know what town value you see in this brinksmanship

[Mathdino]

Huh

If pin's trying to shorten the day because he's scum then how is me not wanting him quicklynched scummy

oh sorry i wasn't talking about recent events

i just mean that i outsourced my townread on you to pintu

and i'd have to actually personally evaluate your alignment/associations if he flips scum because there's the slight possibility he meta-defended his scumpartner

if you're asking how this behaviour makes sense with you as scum together:
- no daytalk
- distancing maneuver
- pintu wants to cut off discussion and scumclaim while you want towncred for drawing out the day

you're not my top suspect on his redflip (that would be TW), i'm just saying you lose townpoints because the main reason i'm townreading you is nullified

[Mathdino]

ruru i think you're reading too far into things

green/red is gonna matter much more here than the particulars of the PRs

unless scum is strategically minded

but i've seen a strategically minded scumteam bus the shit out of their one PR
and then that one PR never got lynched because people were like "that person can't possibly be the PR since scum was bussing them"

scum does whatever they have to in the moment

[Mathdino]

a50 is like if a dad-joke bot became a moderator

it breaks the flow of the game for me to actually acknowledge it but i'm actually pretty into this

@ruru: TW is a more valuable scum player than jjh is though
i expect jjh was like "yo guys you can bus me if you want"

[Mathdino]

does it matter though

if TW isn't sorted mechanically tomorrow we can just ask him then

pintu's still getting lynched regardless

he's not coming back from that self-vote

[Mathdino]

actually i'm not entirely sure i care, especially if pintu flips scum

in my mind i'm helping TW bus

which is why i would very much like a check there

[Mathdino]

[Mathdino]

Dread it.

Run from it.

Destiny still arrives.

[Mathdino]

"Fun" isn't something one considers

when balancing the Open Queue.

But this?

VOTE:

pinturicchio

Does put a smile on my face.

[Mathdino]

Perfectly balanced.

As all things should be.

[Mathdino]

the fuck why would we hypoclaim, there's one scum left

if the cop has 2 innos who are still alive, there are 4 clears and we just chain lynch the 3 remaining
and if the cop has a guilty, they have a guilty

basically the only situation in which the cop shouldn't claim is if they investigated ruru or hitalt last night

anyway last scum is TW, i did a full readthrough yesterday when i was bored
only other partners were hitalt and ruru lol

VOTE: the worst

[Mathdino]

actually fuck it guys, stop hypoclaiming, the scum has used 2 rolecop shots by now
scum probably know who the cop is
just claim pls

i claim VT, and i further claim town by the fact that the vig was shot last night instead of the cop
when the cop is likely to mechanically solve the game

[Mathdino]

i also claim town by the fact that i was utterly addicted to my hypoclaim

i've been doing nothing but try to draw the NK by being myself all game

that said, had i died last night, it would've immediately drawn attention to my reads, which were "TW is my top suspect on a pintu scumflip"
i'm once again alive as a last ditch effort to tilt me, or because scum rolecopped me and know i'm a VT

TW is going to claim VT, he's not actually the cop

blackstar, if you have an inno on davesaz, it's game over and we've won

[Mathdino]

- BlackStar inno on ofrhz
- Zoronos inno on ofrhz
- ofrhz inno on the worst
- the worst inno on ofrhz

right so hyopclaiming is definitely stupid

from BStar and TW's POVs, the game is hardsolved already

if you're the cop and have an inno, just say so

but the fact that you've already hypoclaimed your inno and don't think the game is solved means you've confed yourself as not the cop anyway

had i been the first poster i'd have said "no one claim anything" but c'est la vie

[Mathdino]

Math why wouldn't we take advantage of the slight possibility of the cop being anonymous

Perhaps one of the rolcop shots was on ruru

i assume you mean cop shots

look
we have a 75% chance of winning this game with just the cop and their inno

100% if you don't lynch me

125% if you don't lynch me OR davesaz

i want the perfect win
force scum to surrender

[Mathdino]

in order to be scum this game i'd have to be betting that one of the following possibilities would occur:

1. the vig would shoot the cop
2. ruru was herself the cop
3. the cop would investigate ruru

1 is stupid because i told vig to shoot a VT claim
2 is stupid because ruru's hypoclaim was shit
3 is stupid because ruru was a hard townread

i would not bank on either of these scenarios
especially after

i personally powerlynched the framer and the doctor

[Mathdino]

I knew that if I made that hypo claim everyone would know I was the cop lol. But I thought that if I was against the hypo claims it would also be obvious. And I was pretty sure that you already knew I was the cop on day 2

i had no fucking clue dude

i don't PR hunt as town ever
or at least i don't do it well

i PM'd A50 being 90% sure zoronos was the vig
and said that the cop is probably ofrhz
and that TW was 100% going to claim "hey i'm the VT trying and failing to draw the NK"
and that i was actually scumreading TW much harder for the past 1.5 days than i ever said i was
but i didn't say anything because i didn't need that kind of drama, wanted to flip his partner first

here we are

conftown: BlackStar, ofrhz, davesaz, HeWhoSwims

scum: the worst

the rest: Mathdino, Zoronos

[Mathdino]

TW is going to say that he's a vt trying super hard to draw the nk
I'm scumreading him much harder than I let on because he definitely could be scum with blackstar or pintu

But really, the 5 town we need to win are
Zor, the vig
Me getting myself shot
The cop
The cop's inno
Davesaz

Zoronos is super obviously the vig

I'm hoping ofrhz is the cop with that inno on TW

It's possibly ruru or blackstar though

Can't say I super care who the cop is

We win with our lynchpool as long as scum shoots me, which I'm really pushing for

by precedent i'm definitely allowed to quote this i think

[Mathdino]

Look I townread math and all but I'm not ready to lose this game to the off chance that he's playing straight against his meta okay

bro

there are 4 fucking conftown

the only remaining people who can be scum are {Mathdino, the worst, Zoronos}

the choice is whether you get a town sweep or a perfect town sweep

it's the worst, i said that all day

avenge hitalt, whose tunnel was right

[Mathdino]

i mean i can write those same words in my personal diary and quote them all i want
there's no timestamps so i could've just fabricated them overnight

HWS there is no deliberation here

i'm more conftown than zoronos is but that's not the point

i would surrender if i were scum here, there is no point continuing to play when i mechanically cannot win

better off opening the game to postgame commentary

[Mathdino]

and i want to read the dead thread and know i did right by NSG

ruru your shots weren't on scum but they were the least destructive possible shots on town you could've made, and i respect that because more vigs should play like that imo

(granted i reread last night and locktowned hitalt off of D1, but the thread wasn't open to talk about that)

[Mathdino]

Wait why is dave conftown all of a sudden

There aint no cop claim here

okay dude reread the day
and then come back and vote

[Mathdino]

I doubt that you would do that. It would be against you win con and I'm pretty sure it would be game throwing

that's not gamethrowing at all, i've seen scum surrender when they don't have a chance

scum doesn't have a chance here

why would i waste my time

this, if i am scum, is literally the most awful game i've ever played

- don't instruct teammates to claim cop
- provide extra info to bus jjh
- shoot a VT
- bus the everloving shit out of second partner
- don't shoot the cop
- mechanically can no longer win

do you think i would WANT to continue this as scum

[Mathdino]

ruru your shots weren't on scum but they were the least destructive possible shots on town you could've made, and i respect that because more vigs should play like that imo

QFT, had minor maybe?PR pings from SS but that was a good shot

if i thought SS was playing like a PR i wouldn't have put him in the vigpool

SS is one of the few people onsite i've extensively metadived for his PR meta (a holdover from my scumgame)

he was a VT for sure

[Mathdino]

scum really only continue here if they have very little dignity / self esteem, or

loves shitposting

. Let me check the player list

should i reserve the hammer for this scumclaim

the entire scumteam claimed scum under pressure fucking lol

[Mathdino]

When I'm scum I still try desperately to convince the remaining players that in town even when there's no way anyone other than me could be scum.

there's a difference between being obvscum in a super obvtown playerlist

and being mechanically guiltied or PoE'd in an open setup with no possible outs

if i were guiltied in 7p in an open setup i'd surrender

if only so i could use the meta ingame elsewhere

[Mathdino]

UNVOTE:

TW self vote so i can do a short and sweet hammer

[Mathdino]

It will be reasonably cool but also somewhat egotistical

[Mathdino]

Also i knew you were scum the other night

The view count for the thread went up while you were online and then you went offline

You would've commented on that sequence as town

But I didn't wanna mess up my final sequence if I was gonna get NK'd

[Mathdino]

Yeah gimme a sec

[Mathdino]

Why the fuck did you kill NSG btw

[Mathdino]

Literally the second time either of you lost in part due to leaving me alive d2

[Mathdino]

something something "town bioweapon"

Edit: UGH ITS NOT GOING TO BE LIKE YESTERDAY
I THOUGHT TW WAS IMPLYING HE'D KILL ME LAST NIGHT

[Mathdino]

It's time for this
VOTE: jjh927

VOTE: Mathdino

mfw this vote has been left on me all game

if your vote can still be RVS mine can too

VOTE: pinturicchio

OMGUS

i think jjh is stalling -- he says he doesn't obvtown conventionally, fine, that's cool
i also don't hardtownread people conventionally

i do townread his previous towngames in a way that i do not townread him here
he doesn't seem that interested in solving this game
he's active and all but there's a fire missing

i'm good outsourcing my vote to NSG today if it means we get a flip
VOTE: jjh927

VOTE: ofrhz
good thinkin tho!

I like where you're coming from, after extracting a bit more of your thought process.
tbh I think I'm being dumb with ofrhz. tonally she seems similar to our last game, but there's something awkward there.
also wagon motivation checks out

holy balls what is this vote
VOTE: the worst

I think I'm pretty satisfied with the day
VOTE: jjh927

Welcome to the beginning of the end of the beginning

Oh fucking lol I misses the claim
I don't believe it because I'm pretty sure that's what scum would do
But I don't cc
VOTE: the worst

Jjh is more scum by meta and whatnot than hws is tho
VOTE: jjh927

End it

Notably:
- The most obvious busvote to me is

pintu or TW. pintu is known to be a willing busser. TW busses when I'm around.

- ofrhz fills the spot of "lol let's pile onto my busted partner after he got cc'd"
- pintu on the other hand wasn't on the lynch wagon at all, haha. Possibly thought there'd be no cc?

VOTE: pintu
for now

I know I'm a hypocrite but I want to finish this discussion with Zor before a quickhammer
VOTE: pintu
Leaving this here
I believe pintu figured out that I was townreading him for being shit
And super played that up afterward when he noticed that
Rurus analysis of his scumgame is pretty damning

[Mathdino]

I think that's 3 town!math v scum!tw games in a row where you've caught me off buddying/not killing you? yeah I'm gonna stop that but the entertainment value is solid.

[Mathdino]

VOTE: the worst

[Mathdino]

why the fuck do dead people constantly scumread me

are they just salty they got killed and assume i was the one pulling the strings

Edit: no yeah this was a fantastic game, giving shout outs in a sec

[Mathdino]

this might be the only game i've hammered all three scum in a row

Edit: fixed that blackstar

[Mathdino]

Ruru shot me because I was useless.
Can't blame em.
I had a gutread of scum on TW the whole game and I never really got over it.
That ruined all my other reads for me and caused me to lose motivation, sorry to everyone for that.

Weölll, at least my read on TW WAS correct....

fuck you man, you tunneled scum correctly and obvtowned when it mattered

you played great, idk why you got demotivated or decided it would be right to reveal/replace out

TW is a notoriously difficult read and you had him

the only critique i have of your entire play is just unwillingness to teamwork when it came to finding associatives with TW

i was totally with you on a TW scumread most of the game, but it wasn't the correct move politically to try to lynch him before his partners

[Mathdino]

shouts out to northsidequeen for providing the framework to PoE all the scum
i'm starting to get a sense of NSG-with-good-reads vs NSG-with-bad-reads and NSG with two locktownreads was exactly what i needed

shouts out to hitalt for catching TW D1; people wouldn't have scumread him as hard otherwise

shouts out to davesaz, ofrhz, HWS, ruru for decent-to-good reads (especially dave) and great town support when it counted
ruru i know you disagree with some of my methods but i hugely respect the way you think when you're town, feels like you independently arrive at the same conclusions i do about theory
kind of a newton/leibniz situation in my mind
and like i said i don't mind that you killed town since you irreversibly narrowed the lynchpool -- S_S was a very likely D2 mislynch

shouts out to blackstar for not getting yourself killed and for making very good copcheck choices

shouts out to S_S for solving the game postmortem
i unfortunately did not read your posts since you went V/LA when i got interested in the game again, whoops

shouts out to mafia for sticking through this hellhole gauntlet of a game
pintu you're incredibly good at townspewing yourself -- call me an egotist, but i think if ruru and i hadn't been there to force the lynch, you'd have gotten town off your scent on D2. the problem is i've seen you do this before
TW, good job being too popular to be lynched lol

shouts out to this entire fucking playerlist holy shit
we had 0 replacements all game

(shouts out to jjh for not replacing out upon rolling scum )

atmosphere was great, town synergy was fantastic
i'm not sure i could name a scumteam in this playerlist that would've been able to win without some seriously lucky PR distributions

really showing MS who's boss
definitely one of the best town showings i've seen all year

[Mathdino]

It's also refreshing to get compliments from you (even if they started with a "fuck you".
You dislike me on my main.

maybe ingame

i don't think i really strongly dislike anyone not-banned on this site for out of game reasons, bar maybe a couple speakeasy incidents

like i "dislike" not_mafia ingame a lot but he's like my favourite person onsite

but yeah whatever the case, this game, you solved a solid portion of the puzzle

2/3 of the credit for catching jjh is NSG's
2/3 of the credit for catching pintu is ruru's
and 2/3 of the credit for catching TW is yours

(i claim 1/3 of each of course )

[Mathdino]

@NSG:

i didn't know i was hammering jjh at the time!!! i actually completely forgot i hammered him until like 15 minutes ago
i also forgot scum didn't have daytalk so in my mind lynching scum faster had no drawback

it's an integral part of my meta that mathdino can't count votes; i'm allowed to make some mistakes! D:

[Mathdino]

oh yeah i forgot

shouts out to Actually50

you were engaged and helped keep the game engaging
helped make the game personal in a way, was solid motivation to not slack off
and (probably?) didn't spew anyone, which was impressive
(although watch out for the angleshooting potential -- people can claim their mod communication to try to conftown themselves)

but yeah this was unconventional but very welcome modding practice, and i think that personalisation contributed to the lack of replacements

[Mathdino]

Nice job guys.

...Although I will say Math, I'm surprised you didn't immediately guess ruru was the vig after I got shot. (And I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have been lynched D2 because she was the only one to seriously suspect me, but I would have hypo-inno'd pintu so there's that )

i don't PR hunt as town, people forget

part of me considered going back through D1 and checking who scumread you, but i didn't really care because i also figured smart vigs would shoot an unexpected person in the lynchpool anyway

i thought zor was the vig because i remembered him commenting on you and he said a couple things implying he wanted to push a conversation until after he claimed

but i had no reason to verify that

i'm just a really bad PR hunter as town tbh
i'd have scumread the shit out of blackstar had NSG not stopped me

[Mathdino]

oh yeah shout out to zoronos for talking so incredibly much that it was legit impossible for you to be scum

removing yourself from the lynchpool and helping to lynch scum

that's all anyone can ask of town and the majority of this town did that

i'm really pleased with the current open queue playerbase and with the 2018 newbies tbh

[Mathdino]

holy balls guys

Subject: Open 728: Sharing is Caring MOD PT

I guess the game is

perfectly

balanced

with Mathdino not getting a PR.

Perfectly balanced.

As all things should be.

[Mathdino]

jjh927 (4): northsidegal, the worst, pinturicchio, ruru,
the worst (3): HitAlt, jjh927, Mathdino,
HeWhoSwims (3): davesaz, ofrhz, BlackStar,

Not Voting: Something_Smart, Zoronos, HeWhoSwims,

As of this votecount, I think everyone should be voting in one of the three major wagons.
Already at this point I feel like one of these wagons has to be on scum, so we go about flipping someone so that the game can move forward. (Hint: duckduckduck)

I'd bet some money on two scum being on the same wagon as of this VC, and one on a separate wagon or unvoted.

oh yeah and this was some next level VCA

iirc highest quality reads were definitely {HitAlt, NSG, dave} with honourable mention to ruru reversing my townread on pintu exactly when i needed her to

i was townreading something pintu did when really that was a scumtell i wasn't aware of for him