NY 213 - Game Over!

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Yah, don't care about this game rn

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Day 1's all yours

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Don't blame me, blame school

I have like 1 (some project), 2 (biology), 3 (physic-chemistry), 4 (physics), 5? (physical education?) presentations to do besides lots of homework.

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I'm gonna be pretty active when those are all done

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Sorry I can't do anything rn

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Meh, this was more of a prod-dodge

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Did I succesfully prod-dodge?

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Well, my only goal was not get replaced out.

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I mean, all he did so far is post totally irrelevant stuff, which looks like a poor attempt to mimic his town play, but there's a lot more to it than just the number of posts.

or just stuff that's usually NAI

I doubt I deserve to be townread off those posts.

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Also it's not because the game is uninteresting, it's because I really am busy and don't have the time to involve myself into the game rn.

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Also it's not because the game is uninteresting, it's because I really am busy and don't have the time to involve myself into the game rn.

But this game IS uninteresting so far.

*smokebomb*

*lurk*

It is gonna become interesting soon

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5? (physical education?) presentations to do

How does one do a presentation in phys ed

Think of nutritionism

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Any way this game can be deader than it is?

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lol mod is 2nd-3rd poster

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VOTE: Performer

New wagon

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I can maybe return to the current structured wagons, but I like to try new possibilities

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Screenplay and Creature confirmed but not posted.

Cool

Here's your canary grass.

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This was mentioned in the queue thread, but I shall mention it again here to ensure that everyone is aware and so that everyone can find this information easily.

This game is confirmed to contain solely town-aligned players and mafia-aligned players. In other words, there are no Werewolves, there are no Serial Killers, and there are no second Mafia groups.

Now that's a real game

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Screenplay and Creature confirmed but not posted.

So?

Just something I noticed.

Bad post now

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Page 2

Has Srceenplay been okay lately?

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@Creature: Hey, LOOK! Your tail is on fire!

Can't you pull something better?

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Are you Makonnen from MU btw?

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Nope. I've played them once or twice though.

You used the same remark he used some other game.

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wow im clever

Haha

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Back to page 2

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Phone posting from school lol.

We should do it together some day.

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Night 0 cop. Guilty result on Pine.

VOTE: Pine

Also, /confirm

Yey finally can say this:

Town

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(Lovebird blew it pretty soon)

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/confirm

The tension waiting for SUPP results is palpable.

I still want to know what SUPP results are.

VOTE: Pine

texcat's acting different than what I recall.

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Public service announcement: I plan on active lurking through D1 at least. This is a very large game, and my reads are traditionally sub-random in crowded D1s.

If he can do this so can I.

No, you can't.

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Public service announcement: I plan on active lurking through D1 at least. This is a very large game, and my reads are traditionally sub-random in crowded D1s.

If he can do this so can I.

Yeah, let's all active lurk and lynch Pine on day 1.

Cool Kublai is also town

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Forgot that I needed to post here.

Yeah, you don't play scum posting only on scum thread.

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Page 3

Hopkirk can be town

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VOTE: osuka

Scummiest vibe.

I agree. It wasn't just the post that Pine pointed out. I thought the role cop claim smelled like old fish.

VOTE: OOOsuka

texcat scum so far

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VOTE: JarJarDrinks for jumping on the osuka bandwagon.

I see I'm gonna need an inhaler for this page.

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17. Andriod18+ (Scum. Forgetting to post "here" = already posting in the Scum PT)

If you were serious on this, we're on the same page.

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24. Scioness Sajj+ (Leaning Scum. "hi" and not "/confirm" sounds like buddying to me)

sounds stupid

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So, my revised scum team is Creature+Android+Fumuki+Hopkirk+Mylo

Game solved!!

can agree on Android and Mylo so far.

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VOTE: Creature

I'm fine with this vote.

and froze 'nuff said

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So I guess we have to lynch almost to see if we win on day 1.

VOTE: Almost50

You used to be better.

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Bandwagons this early in day 1 seem to me more scummy than town, so thats where I put my vote. Makes it easier to "accidentally" lynch town.

-_-

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Page 5
Charles510 is town

don't like using the "newbtown" term though

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Still taking a break.

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Guess I need to resume catching up.

I stopped at page 6, right?

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I'm sure my vote will change as I get better actual reads on people as the day goes on.

Question: In this setup do we know exactly how many town Vs. how many scum are in the game?

Fun fact; generally you can find roughly the number of scum in a game by dividing the number of players by 4.5.

9/4.5 = 2. This is standard.
13/4.5 = 2.88888888889. rounds to 3. This is standard.
17/4.5 = 3.77777777778. rounds to 4. This is standard.
21/4.5 = 4.66666666667. rounds to 5. This is standard.

25/4.5 = 5.55555555556. I believe that this number, being very close to 5.5, indicates that we could have 5 scum and a traitor in this game. A low-powered town with 5 scum and a high-powered town with 6 scum are also possible but I think it's fairly likely we're dealing with a traitor here which is why I thought almost's posting was a possible traitor crumb. Maybe I'm just crazy but maybe there really is a mafia traitor in this game.

Nah, the right formula is X-1/4:

9-1/4=2
13-1/4=3
17-1/4=4
21-1/4=5

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wtf page 6 is like trying to guess how many scum there are? What's the point?

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Creature wagon is bad

For some reason I don't find this post so unbelievable to come from town!WhemeStar

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I agree with A50 about Creature, but am willing to give Creature the benefit of doubt for the moment. Sometimes people do just get busy with their real lives.

Not the texcat I used to know 2

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Cool Golden Robster can be town

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This is Town!Creature:

1- Town!Creature.
2- Town!Creature. (I wasn't in this)
3- Town!Creature.

And this is Scum!Him

1- Scum!Creature.
2- Scum!Creature.

Feel free to find more games and compare his play as either alignment to his play here then tell me the wagon on him is bad.

Like sure if he’s the same later on go for it

It’s been like 2 pages though

I think the biggest tell on creature was that after 2 votes on him, he didn't appear and say sorry guys, I have a busy schedule, but here is what I see right now. He just said, sorry, got a busy schedule, keep me alive to Day 2 and I will be more active, and then left again. Creature needs to go and then we can continue on with active town players the rest of the game.

Uh oh, just proved you wrong.

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Either way, I get flipped and they won't ever guess I named the whole of my scum team for real

Wait...is that literally a scumclaim

Wild guess: Lalendra town?

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5? (physical education?) presentations to do

How does one do a presentation in phys ed

Think of nutritionism

Good thing I've already done it today.

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Spoiler:

I'm gonna follow Khan here.
VOTE: Almost50

FINALLY! The "I'm gonna follow Khan here." soft-clears KK and implicates Edo. It's almost like he's saying he knows I'm town and is already blaming it on KK. Bad bad vote here.

VOTE: Edosurist

My fellow townies, follow me. Are you ready to lynch a mafioso?

I'm gonna follow Almost here.
VOTE: Edosurist

ffs I missed the meme

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But what about Myloninja? He doesn't get a tr?

No

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or say it's him posting because you've said that's what town him would do?

lol that's classic

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Ausuka, Dunnstral, JarJarDrinks, Kublai Khan, Lalendra, Pine,

Srceenplay

, texcat, TheRampage, Wavemode, WhemeStar,

???

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forgot to bold TheRampage's name

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Please go ahead and replace me out.

Here we go again

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before i get prodded

i agree with people saying that we can give creature some time. if he is scum it will be obvious soon enough.

i will catch up in few hours

Where did that plant sprout?

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a50 has been having a breakdown as of page 12. tops my lynch pool, along with aa9 and jarjar.

???

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okay mylon can be town d1

???

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Spoiler:

Ausuka, Dunnstral, JarJarDrinks, Kublai Khan, Lalendra, Pine, Srceenplay, texcat, TheRampage, Wavemode, WhemeStar,

How can you have TR wavemode and whemestar?

and Screenplay jesus

Tone-gut reads cannot be explained easily, my friend. The way they post.. the way they say certain things.. the way they do "not" react to certain things.. it all adds up. I'm not stopping you from voting/interrogating them though. Feel free to find out for yourself.

Okay sure...

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Vaxkiller replaces Charles510.

Town,

Who we lynching?

town,

Why r people on creature. His day 1 is not strong

this and what comes after also town

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Osuka, or maybe Edo.

might have to agree on both.

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though feeling less about Edo.

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352 makes me feel less about lynching osuka too

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This is awful lot of people defending a player who hasn't done a whole lot.

Spoiler:

Creature wagon is bad

I agree with A50 about Creature, but am willing to give Creature the benefit of doubt for the moment. Sometimes people do just get busy with their real lives.

@Hopkirk:
How to sort a Creature 101 - The maual: Town!Creature posts. Scum!Creature doesn't. It's as simple as that.

It's not though, because I have fallen victim to this logic before and he was just busy town.

before i get prodded

i agree with people saying that we can give creature some time. if he is scum it will be obvious soon enough.

i will catch up in few hours

Why r people on creature. His day 1 is not strong

Looks like they were told from scum chat to not scumread me lol

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So you know he usually doesn't do anything day 1, but can easily be spotted as scum if he continues his lurk on later days?

Correction: I attempt to do stuff D1

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I think the Almost wagon is unwarranted.

Missing: Flavor Leaf
Last seen: Right here on this post

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Meh, Scioness feels motivated even though being a potential lynch

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Hey everyone!

Ok so I've been skimming up to pg 7 and I am just dying laughing at some of these funny posts. I mean, man. Smokebomb throwing, claiming bp pgo compulsive commuter...one of the funniest games I've seen in awhile.

On a serious note, I don't like asuka mentioning a traitor. I hosted an offsite game where I had a mafia traitor. It really looks like signaling of some sort , what she did. And that's not a good thing for town, if there's a traitor.

Personally I think there exists 4-6 scum in this 25 pool if I were to go by the 20% guideline.

The mentioning of creature lurking on d1 , is true from what I recall. He's the only one I played with in a large normal , years ago. Interestingly he was town that game. Unless it's one of my idols, I don't believe giving someone a free pass just because it's how they play, is a wise idea.

Anyway, have to continue my catchup. I have a big bunch of null right now.

Agree...

...that this is a scum post.

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Srceenplay is done with mafiascum I think after his ban cause he tried to appeal it and Zor said no

Aww sucks

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not sure if I've seen him doing something before deciding to replace out though.

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Ok so I think performer is town.

Heh

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I agree with A50 about Creature, but am willing to give Creature the benefit of doubt for the moment. Sometimes people do just get busy with their real lives.

Not the texcat I used to know 2

You said this same thing the last game we played together and I was town then too.

Whatever

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Okay I'm finished

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I wonder if I broke my personal record of 50 posts in a row (excluding mod posts).

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was going to post a strike out list but it would feel empty

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okay, let me find a particular post for you

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Same.

Now the Scioness Saj wagon, could be a thing.

wagon won't start itself?

Scum!Scioness asks for a wagon on herself?

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Traitors can't win alone anyway

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What did I miss?

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VOTE: Myloninja

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don't really feel like catching up another 9 pages.

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k we need to do something

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Edosoturist's slot is town btw

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Let me see if I can do something

Pause on that osuka wagon for a while

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when i flip green tonight please lynch jarjar tomorrow

Yeah, thinking osuka is town

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My previous townlist must have scum somewhere

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osuka's flip would interest me but I don't think it'd flip scum mostly because he's been a topic of the game for the whole thing.

Myloninja anyone?

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I'm not really thinking Osuka is scum here tbh.

WTF u too?

that's a 2nd crappy osuka townread w/ no conviction behind it. Who's scum Myl?

Yeah, three crappy osuka townreads now

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Maybe I meant four, but I'm not thinking it's crappy.

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I've played with Mylo before and he hates playing scum to the extent where he's way too comfortable to be scum here.

Okay thanks

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What do you think about Rampage?

VOTE: Rampage
(took me long to find this gif)

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I lost track now

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Lalendra's starting to sound meh

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Flavor Leaf ain't gonna try this game?

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town aren't dominating.

or the dominating town is just plain wrong.

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I was ready to vote Osuka, but I really liked his catch-up. It's been a while since I've played a game this large and while I'm still trying to sort the people who have posted, it feels like we have a LOT of people who aren't doing enough for me to read them. Whether that's intentional or not is hard to say at this stage.

Particularly this feels meh

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town aren't dominating.

or the dominating town is just plain wrong.

By dominating I mean on the path to an easy win. Like if town has many accurate townreads and many null/suspected players are scum getting caught and town are working together.

From the 30+ posters, do you have any scumread there?

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(I might have one)

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I meant scumreads out of the players with 30+ posts.

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If both Osuka and Edo/Gamma are town slots then my reads are

really

all messed up

Uh oh...

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623 from performer looks like he went looking for reasons to join the biggest wagon

I'm still open to wagon Performer.

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I’m super active as scum

Yes, sure...

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VOTE: Performer

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Glad I was wrong about you posting 893

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Creature do you think the rampage wagons not going anywhere? Because you could always hop in

I like both wagons, but I want atleast one of them to move.

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-My sr are etl, ramp, arc, wave, flavor, vax, wheme, mylon

Reminds me some video, I guess it was:
Too many scum
Too many scum
Too many scum
Too many scum

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-Tr are hop, gold, jar, tex, pine, a50, osuka.

What? Just now players started townreading osuka?

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wavemode became a wagon?

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didn't feel inspired enough to play mafia

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1st half of the Performer wagon was good/townreads.
Then Wave wagon happens pretty rapidly.
Then Performer grows by four.
Isn't Performer a counterwagon to Wave?

Meanwhile Osuka went from 10 votes to 3 just because... I don't know, actually. Why did everybody jump off of Osuka?

Oh right, I remember plenty of players stating townreads on osuka suddenly, so obviously

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that's different than "some mislynch wagon popping up and scum popping out"

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Ausuka is confirmed to be

aligned with the town

.

IC???

UNVOTE:

I no longer can claim I have a grasp on the game status in any form at all.

I lost any grasp to this game anyway

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I'm just one extra slot

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lol people were scumreading Ausuka?

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I'm just one extra slot

We both need to readjust and reenter the game ASAP.

Sure, though, I felt satisfied about how the game was going on.

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VOTE: Andriod18

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Ausuka, are you sure Myloninja is playing comfortably this game?

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VOTE: Android

Town Creature usually has better reads than mine. I don't want to lynch the more vocal players (even if scum they're sure to slip down the road because they're

talking

)

Not sure.

rn gonna just focus on the food for the day.

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Atleast I don't have to bother reading Frozen Angel.

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that prod dodge by creature in page 5 sounds kindda scummy by creature standards

Sure, just wait

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Now I got competition

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Seeing my Andriod18 crusade was shut down faster than the germany elimination on World Cup.

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Seeing my Andriod18 crusade was shut down faster than the germany elimination on World Cup.

can you case him properly?

Right above you...

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I'm not here to fix ms lurking culture I'm here to lynch scum.

Just look at the lurkers then, plenty of them should be scum.

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I wonder if FA thinks I am the only one that lurks as scum.

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Do you think Myloninja is posting comfortably?

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I'm not here to fix ms lurking culture I'm here to lynch scum.

Just look at the lurkers then, plenty of them should be scum.

I agree

I just suck at sorting people who never post so I avoid doing it as much as possible. I really don't know how you guys can sort them

Simple:

If someone's clearly active yet avoiding the thread, it's worth doing something.

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Gotta go for a while rn

When I return maybe I'll go frenetic posting

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Okay, I need some inspiration

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Getting cold feet already about Performer when everyone's like "oh we're not gonna get enough votes for other wagons"

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so ugh can we please have a lynch? pref on preformer/wave cuz i don't think we can get 11 votes in 30 hours

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Yeah, I can be alright with wavemode lynch too

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I'm back from V/LA, and I can get to this in less than 4 hours!

zzzz

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Yeah, Ausuka, you're right, Myloninja13 is posting too comfortably to be scum

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16 posts of pure comfort

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osuka's flip would interest me but I don't think it'd flip scum mostly because he's been a topic of the game for the whole thing.

Think this is their most alarming post. Just ehh

Oh right, there was also that time everybody suddenly started townreading osuka. Yeah, osuka is town, but the townreads feel like too "going with the flow".

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"yeah yeah I don't think osuka will flip scum

but obviously I'm fine with it

"

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He's a pain that (atleast I believe) will eventually be sorted later in the game

Pretty used to see him lurking lately

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VOTE: Performer

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Performer's L-1

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so.... I am thinking of venging osuka.

Alright

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VOTE: Performer

Why?
How are you reading Android? The only mention of him in your iso is a (minor) scumread in the 400s. You haven't commented on him since the competing wagons.

Because "neighbors"

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zzzz too many scummy players, none of them feel "informative" kills

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We probably wagoned the wrong lurker.

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VOTE: Myloninja

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Can someone catch me up?

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Also, who were the players who suddenly started townreading osuka out of nowhere yesterday? Likely scum are around there.

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Called me? Guess not

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Huh? Is it a dot?

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hopefully it's not a sin

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Hi

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Hi

Vote GROB or Penguin, please. Don’t fall for the MYLO trap.

lol we can't even get a wagon going

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VOTE: Penguin

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also GROB is a bad abbreviation

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So why was Wheme scum again?

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I don't seem to like PP wagon either

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damn we're so screwed

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I thought town could pull a scum lynch without me

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was gonna ask who TehBrawl replaced, but then turned out preview thing trolled me and now it's pointless to ask this because I searched and found out it was ArcAngel

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Thanks for not even telling me what was the claim

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and why is it sketchy?

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I don't seem to like PP wagon either

you mean the people voting PP or the actual wagon itself

The wagon itself.

Obviously I don't like the people voting because I don't trust any

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also not surprised you'd try to lynch a doc

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Is it too late for CFDs?

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why is the claim sketchy? Then I hammer

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Nvm, it's too late and there's no plurality (which should be mandatory tbh)

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Is it too late for CFDs?

CFD?

Pulling a whole new wagon near EOD or something

I don't know what CFD particularly means

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for on thing, he was around purposefully avoiding the claim until as late as possible. Like he was at L-1 and were waiiting all day and he he shows up and is like "naw nobody posted intent" then intent was posted and he was all "ok but u gotta wait a few hours".

Second?

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also did PP claim something I missed?

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D1 was horrible tbh

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for on thing, he was around purposefully avoiding the claim until as late as possible. Like he was at L-1 and were waiiting all day and he he shows up and is like "naw nobody posted intent" then intent was posted and he was all "ok but u gotta wait a few hours".

Second?

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I feel like we're probably mislynching today anyway, but not sure if I should just have scum kill me and then steamroll town for the rest of the game when town will have no clear leadership

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gimme a sec and I'll link u the post that makes TR the slot .

pedit: what r u asking?>

thought you had one more argument other than "took long to claim"

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there's rn GR, you and me

maybe if we get plenty of more players around I can entertain a CFD

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Oh there's now Gamma

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If we hit scum most likely the wagon won't go through but then we just see who had the chance to hop him yet didn't then we can catch half of the scumteam

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I feel like we're probably mislynching today anyway, but not sure if I should just have scum kill me and then steamroll town for the rest of the game when town will have no clear leadership

town does have clear leadership, we have masons and IC

yet we're still lynching a doctor claim

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wheme is scum

but people don't understand that PP is also scum here

Do you really think they're both scum together and the whole game just votes both of them? Seem a bit strange, that means scum probably has a lot of numbers if they're fine bussing like that (which btw is a HORRIBLE mindset, just because you have a large team doesn't make copious bussing smart, you will eventually hit really low numbers and regret your decisions)

tbh I don't think scum ever lets town freely wagon one of them at this point

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I feel like we're probably mislynching today anyway, but not sure if I should just have scum kill me and then steamroll town for the rest of the game when town will have no clear leadership

town does have clear leadership, we have masons and IC

yet we're still lynching a doctor claim

scum only have one nightkill per night, it'll take them a while to clear the conftowns out

Most likely they'll clear the conftowns out before we can even get half of them killed

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Yeh, TehBrawlGuy looks bad

so does texcat

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I feel like we're probably mislynching today anyway, but not sure if I should just have scum kill me and then steamroll town for the rest of the game when town will have no clear leadership

town does have clear leadership, we have masons and IC

yet we're still lynching a doctor claim

ya ha. All wheme has been is survivalistic. He didnt give the town a reads list, didnt say "lynch X after I flip". He claimed doc cuz he thought it was the best chance of not getting roped.

Sadly this kind is common on MS

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scum only have one nightkill per night, it'll take them a while to clear the conftowns out

why you assuming this

Pretty sure normals don't allow scum vigilantes

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I likely count as 4th conftown and probably the best nightkill considering the other three conftowns are all useless so let me do stuff today if we're gonna mislynch the doc claim

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1. Dunnstral4. Fumuki Golden Robster5. Pine6. Creature7. Kublai Khan8. WhemeStar9. HopKirk10. Edosurist Gamma Emerald11. Ausuka12. Lalendra13. EspeciallyTheLies14. Lovebird Davesaz Frozen Angel15. JarJarDrinks17. Andriod1818. Texcat19. ArcAngel920. Charles510 Vaxkiller21. Wavemode22. TheRampage PenguinPower23. Myloninja1324. Scioness Sajj25. Flavor Leaf

Pressure Pine in the spine

Lalendra, Golden, JJD and FA can all be town atleast

Did Vax do something?

Am probably up to leave wave alone for now

Is Mylo posting comfortably? I think he did at some point but I don't remember

Like I said, TBG and texcat looks bad

Scioness also is looking bad

Did I miss someone?

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Hey who's online right now

You're still gonna be around for EOD?

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I likely count as 4th conftown and probably the best nightkill considering the other three conftowns are all useless so let me do stuff today if we're gonna mislynch the doc claim

it's not a mislynch and ur not conftown at all. But by all means do stuff. As long as it doesnt involve derailing the wagon.

Depends on my mood

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Pretty sure normals don't allow scum vigilantes

what about scum joat

can't have vig ability

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Scum aren't meant to fuck LyLo in normal anyway

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see: not even mafia vengeful is allowed because it could make town lose LyLo even if lynching correctly

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We lynched Performer for nothing

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I may be even-night vigilante and I intend to vig Pine tonight

For mafia doctors

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guess I really needed holidays and stomachache to notice Pine's excuses are shit

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JJD, GR, Wheme, Gamma and me

Maybe we can pull a CFD?

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Leaving a list of good CFDs:
TehBrawlGuy
texcat
Scioness Sajj
Pine

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just fucking hammer.

u know u love hammerin.

You're wrong

[Creature]

Android is the deepwolf lol

[Creature]

Oh I forgot about Vax

Nvm, he's really the deepwolf