Minuet's Trio [Game Over]

[Dunnstral]

Today's mafia consumer demands dozens, hundreds of roles that are vanilla cops

[Brian Skies]

I want my questions answered first.

Didn't need an explanation before, now you do?

Yes.

Muffin gave his explanation. It makes some sense to me and I was already having similar feels about Ginngie's posting surrounding his snap-vote on Grapes. I also can kinda sorta see what he means with Gin+Nos (although I'm not really huge on them being scum together) because their banter here felt off and scummy. I don't know what other little things Muffin is referring to, but meh. I don't think he's scummy. And I don't have Gin in my townreads anyway.

I'm caught up, but I haven't really been paying that close attention for the last 15-20 pages or so. So it'd be easier for me to understand where Ank/HS (and maybe you) are coming from instead of me feeling like this is an eleventh hour push from one of you to save a buddy from a lynch.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Your emotion doesn't feel like it's coming from a natural perspective that you should be having with how things are progressing
Wisdom's push on you followed by the really awkward backing off after the pressure started easing off you (and by proxy, him, since the wagon on you was what replaced the wagon on him) doesn't look town
Your posts about and to him are the most fake-sounding posts out of everything you've posted so far
Wisdom isn't a shit scum player, I fully believe it's well within his scumrange to try to put you in a better spot to coast through the game while he carries by pushing other lynches ad nauseum

Ok fine.
THIS is what I was looking for.
I am NOT scum, and if you do lynch me here I wont take measures against you, however, I hope if i do get lynched here, you reflect on how you actually look at my games in the future (unlike Wisdom who defaulted to just flat out not even try to read me).

Literally this entire list of things is that you dont believe my emotions feel natural, I don't even know what you're supposing I do here, if you expect me to be some godly town that solves the game outta nowhere or something, I do admit, part of my interaction with Wisdom is to get him off my back, because you saw how that blitz game from years ago went, you want that to ever repeat? I just want to be able to interact and form reads at ease without having to be worried about what scum may be using to jump at me, including but not limited to a Wisdom reading me wrong (Yes you have no idea, how much he scares me as either alignment I may have, and in hindsight I shouldn't have in'd to a game with him in, but I never expected something like THIS, however regardless of whether i quit MS or come back later, im never playing with him again, regardless of his actual alignment, this game taught me that much).

[Dunnstral]

What if Nancy claims vt as scum to try to get her vanilla cop buddy to check her and claim results later

[Ankamius]

Your emotion doesn't feel like it's coming from a natural perspective that you should be having with how things are progressing
Wisdom's push on you followed by the really awkward backing off after the pressure started easing off you (and by proxy, him, since the wagon on you was what replaced the wagon on him) doesn't look town
Your posts about and to him are the most fake-sounding posts out of everything you've posted so far
Wisdom isn't a shit scum player, I fully believe it's well within his scumrange to try to put you in a better spot to coast through the game while he carries by pushing other lynches ad nauseum

Ok fine.
THIS is what I was looking for.
I am NOT scum, and if you do lynch me here I wont take measures against you, however, I hope if i do get lynched here, you reflect on how you actually look at my games in the future (unlike Wisdom who defaulted to just flat out not even try to read me).

Literally this entire list of things is that you dont believe my emotions feel natural, I don't even know what you're supposing I do here, if you expect me to be some godly town that solves the game outta nowhere or something, I do admit, part of my interaction with Wisdom is to get him off my back, because you saw how that blitz game from years ago went, you want that to ever repeat? I just want to be able to interact and form reads at ease without having to be worried about what scum may be using to jump at me, including but not limited to a Wisdom reading me wrong (Yes you have no idea, how much he scares me as either alignment I may have, and in hindsight I shouldn't have in'd to a game with him in, but I never expected something like THIS, however regardless of whether i quit MS or come back later, im never playing with him again, regardless of his actual alignment, this game taught me that much).

if you're town this game, then I'm probably just going to give up on reading you directly, tbh

[Dunnstral]

Those posts you guys love to quote about andriod talking about a goon mafia and then asking if it's role madness?

Guess what, she's a vanilla cop.

[Ankamius]

What if Nancy claims vt as scum to try to get her vanilla cop buddy to check her and claim results later

no

nancy is town

[Brian Skies]

Those posts you guys love to quote about andriod talking about a goon mafia and then asking if it's role madness?

Guess what, she's a vanilla cop.

Why do you think this?

[Dunnstral]

It's been established that the role pm for vanilla cop talks about goon showing up as vanilla

It looks like andriod is thinking there's a vanilla mafia, but also thinks the game is role madness

[Kaede Akamatsu]

if you're town this game, then I'm probably just going to give up on reading you directly, tbh

Sigh, yet another one.
I'm really tired of people being unable to read me.

[Brian Skies]

It's been established that the role pm for vanilla cop talks about goon showing up as vanilla

It looks like andriod is thinking there's a vanilla mafia, but also thinks the game is role madness

Vanilla Cop would essentially confirm the idea of a Vanilla Townie, no?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

It's been established that the role pm for vanilla cop talks about goon showing up as vanilla

It looks like andriod is thinking there's a vanilla mafia, but also thinks the game is role madness

That doesnt make any sense coz it also talks about VTs.

[Ankamius]

if you're town this game, then I'm probably just going to give up on reading you directly, tbh

Sigh, yet another one.
I'm really tired of people being unable to read me.

that doesn't actually mean 'unable to read'

it just means 'unable to read

directly

'

[Dunnstral]

It's been established that the role pm for vanilla cop talks about goon showing up as vanilla

It looks like andriod is thinking there's a vanilla mafia, but also thinks the game is role madness

Vanilla Cop would essentially confirm the idea of a Vanilla Townie, no?

Kind of? There can still be a goon, it does imply that at least one person shows up vanilla at least. Assuming it's role madness is okay too.

What interests me is that weird voting thing with grapes, and how grapes claims to not know why that was a thing

[Kaede Akamatsu]

if you're town this game, then I'm probably just going to give up on reading you directly, tbh

Sigh, yet another one.
I'm really tired of people being unable to read me.

that doesn't actually mean 'unable to read'

it just means 'unable to read

directly

'

You mean like Wisdom's doing?
That literally gives scum free reign of controlling people's read on me.

I'm sorry but no, if you're not gonna try to actually read me and give up i rather just quit mafia than get more headaches.

[Ankamius]

sigh

[Brian Skies]

It's been established that the role pm for vanilla cop talks about goon showing up as vanilla

It looks like andriod is thinking there's a vanilla mafia, but also thinks the game is role madness

Vanilla Cop would essentially confirm the idea of a Vanilla Townie, no?

Kind of? There can still be a goon, it does imply that at least one person shows up vanilla at least. Assuming it's role madness is okay too.

What interests me is that weird voting thing with grapes, and how grapes claims to not know why that was a thing

It's been established that the role pm for vanilla cop talks about goon showing up as vanilla

It looks like andriod is thinking there's a vanilla mafia, but also thinks the game is role madness

That doesnt make any sense coz it also talks about VTs.

Based on Kaede's comment, I think we can reasonably assume that Andriod's probably not a Vanilla Cop.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If that's gonna be my fate I want you guys to decide RIGHT NOW, you either lynch me right now and I die with my true role, or scum messes around with me in one way or another but you dont lynch me for the rest of the game, because im pretty sure someone down the line is gonna say that im faking it or some such.

So i'll just quote this again, so people read it, I've already stated im fine dying today, I've already done all I can to help find scum, there's literally not much else to do here should i die today.

I believe your claim,. It was also extremely specific: “Leviathan”. Voting for you at any point in the game would be a defacto scumclaim.

Nancy, don't

Kaede's claim is dead null

the way she's been playing it is why it's really scummy

Wisdom said he doesn’t think she fake claims like this and neither do I. The clue was in the word “Leviathan”. It sounded to me like something she read right off her role PM. Until now, she didn’t even show all that much interest in selfpresing.

[Brian Skies]

What interests me is that weird voting thing with grapes, and how grapes claims to not know why that was a thing

I don't think there's any worth in speculating over this.

My thoughts on this, and I don't really feel like delving further into it than this is:
-Grapes was confirmed to be a non-main character because the setup randomly does this every day phase
-Grapes got to start the voting because of this, and probably to prevent us from instantly lynching him based on the information (maybe)
-It doesn't actually have anything to do with his role and it probably is dependent on who the first player to be confirmed as a non-main character is

[Ankamius]

If that's gonna be my fate I want you guys to decide RIGHT NOW, you either lynch me right now and I die with my true role, or scum messes around with me in one way or another but you dont lynch me for the rest of the game, because im pretty sure someone down the line is gonna say that im faking it or some such.

So i'll just quote this again, so people read it, I've already stated im fine dying today, I've already done all I can to help find scum, there's literally not much else to do here should i die today.

I believe your claim,. It was also extremely specific: “Leviathan”. Voting for you at any point in the game would be a defacto scumclaim.

Nancy, don't

Kaede's claim is dead null

the way she's been playing it is why it's really scummy

Wisdom said he doesn’t think she fake claims like this and neither do I. The clue was in the word “Leviathan”. It sounded to me like something she read right off her role PM. Until now, she didn’t even show all that much interest in selfpresing.

her role is genuine

that doesn't mean it's town

[Kaede Akamatsu]

btw Ankamius I hope you have a reply for 1464, If i dont get a reply by the time i die in this game, I'm just going to assume you're gonna stick to your word, and since i already know what im going to flip, im sorry but im gonna have to avoid you because you'll also gonna become a pain in the mud to play with.

[Kokichi Oma]

Kaede is a soothing lynch that calms your heart like the moon's reflection on water

[Kokichi Oma]

Kaede if you don't ATE me too, people are going to think we are partners!!! I'm actually surprised you haven't tried to appeal to me here. Do you think I could be scum trying to mislynch you?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Do you think I could be scum trying to mislynch you?

Yes

[Ankamius]

you aren't understanding what I'm talking about

reading directly means I'm reading you based on what and how you're posting
reading indirectly means I'm just fitting a read on you based on the gamestate and my other reads