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This feels like you want attention to divert from you. Why? Discussion, of any kind, needs to get us out of RVS right?In post 33, jjh927 wrote:We're maybe not quite there yet.
Worth noting that NSG is more interested in me than her wagon?
I assume this is about Pintu's post? I would call it a jokey RVS vote, might be because the dude hadn't read up on the thread yet. I wouldn't call it wanting to stall discussion.In post 44, Zoronos wrote:Think that’s an attempt to drag us back to RVS in lieu of serious discussion / weighing in on thread topics, or just stale RVS?
Your vote cleart implies the former so maybe my question is self answering, ergo this is probably just a log of thoughts and observations.
This is our first game together but I like you already shitpost freely now that it's still early I guess!In post 48, ruru wrote:Can people stop shitpost-shaming please
I really want to shitpost but now I feel awkward about it
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It feels like he's trying too hard even though nothing has happenedIn post 62, Something_Smart wrote:
We're not in RVS anymore...In post 61, BlackStar wrote:His posts are too long
Agree here - Zoro has been very present and got us out of RVS which is a small plus for meIn post 64, jjh927 wrote:That's how you get to happen. He's been an extremely positive presence in getting out of RVS
Soft agree with the notion that scum!ruru would/could benefit from not asking about shitposts but trying to blend into the thread. That could very well be town so...
Very soft and wobbly reads but if you'd ask me to pick out town at this point of my catchup ruru and Zoro are candidates.
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This seems good to me.In post 94, Mathdino wrote:Are we talking setup?
Cop and vig act tonight, jailkeeper does not
Problem solved
Cop nullreads, Vig distractions, lynchbait and universal scumreads
Talk me through this: would it be worth to save a vig shot until N2? I'd think we all have more reads by then, stronger reads in either direction and less(?) nullreads, so a smaller vigpool and more info upon the flip? Vigilante only has to survive D1/N1 which shouldn't be too hard I'd think and even if vig somehow has to claim D1 they can be jailkept. Sorry if this is a bad idea, not sure if setup spec is my forte but I can give it a shot
Lol no... it's called RVS for a reason so I'm not sure I really see ruru's reasoning right there.In post 101, Something_Smart wrote:Is there ever an RVS wagon that ISN'T low info?
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jjh I quoted with his attention diverting to NSG. Not sure if that's pro town at all. Re: his serious vote on Zoro I wouldn't be able to tag as either alignment - it's something I could see myself doing (and almost did) since Zoro's initial posts were a bit of ??? because there was a lot of content about like, 1.5 pages of game which could seem a little too eager/too quick to draw reads. Agree with NSG however that then voting BlackStar who votes Zoro is also ???. However I feel the scum motivation for doing that would be to sort of buddy up to Zoro... I really doubt jjh who seems to have been here for a decent amount of time, would blatantly do that.
Which brings me to NSG, as I said - what she points out is right, the voting for Blackstar is unwarranted but I don't see it as scummy. I also agree with what she points out in her next post but again that's almost too weird and obvious to be actual scum. I think scum!jjh would be better off waiting for an actual reason to vote someone else, or simply unvote off of Zoro.
Blackstar... no fan so far. He's only posted about Zoro so far who I'd be townreading. Voting there feels like an easy vote. Which again would make jjh voting Blackstar a bit townie motivated.
I try not to be dumb Math
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Wait what case exactly do you mean?In post 123, the worst wrote:I actually like NSG's case for town, just not sure she's got her guy yet.- HeWhoSwims
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Is water wet? I'd think so!In post 133, the worst wrote:pedit: Alty you an alt?
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Not even when you have a semi good reason? It's weak but NSG's reasoning checks out and usually we don't get anything better D1. Whatcha thing about it? .In post 199, Mathdino wrote:Would NSG be aware that jjh has a reputation for being super obvtown as town? I, as scum in this playerlist, would absolutely not be trying to lynch jjh of all people.
I'm feeling mafia-lazy. Someone give me a read on ruru to sheep?
I played my first scumgame / 2nd game overall with him back in December/January! Not that I remember a shitton of meta... But I could always refresh my mind.
Hard agree with NSG et al that ofrhz asking for a reason for a vote is entirelu different from what JJH did. I tend to do the same and wanted to ask for example when ruru naked voted a little while back.- HeWhoSwims
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I personally think this was a damning thing so let's discuss. What does town jjh get from redirecting this off of himself now? I do feel he had a small bit of pressure after somewhat of a flaming start. As if he didn't want attraction to divert from him as much as from his content... Do you see what I'm saying or am I seeing this wrong? Also I'd find this more excusable if it were an actual wagon but it's RVSIn post 206, pinturicchio wrote:Now about the misunderstanding: no I don't think jjh was trying to redirect heat off himself, 'cause I don't think there was heat on himself in the first place. What I find ironic is that, by saying that about NSG, NSG went full bananas on him but either way, about redirecting heat... I don't think that's a treat only scum has; town doesn't want to be the center of attention either. Town doesn't care that much maybe, but from my point of view, I try to analyze this things in a way like "is this relevant to my read on this player? If yes, why; if no, read something else". jjh's motivation is a no, first 'cause there's not enough evidence to think anything about that post, and second 'cause even if he was trying to derail attention, I wouldn't know how to read that- HeWhoSwims
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Anyone wanna talk about this? Don't think it was discussed really?In post 121, HeWhoSwims wrote:Agree with NSG however that then voting BlackStar who votes Zoro is also ???. However I feel the scum motivation for doing that would be to sort of buddy up to Zoro... I really doubt jjh who seems to have been here for a decent amount of time, would blatantly do that.- HeWhoSwims
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I had an unexpectedly busy weekend and grabbed some extra shifts at work and am again out at an event tomorrow. I'll do my best to catch up tomorrow after I get home.
All I was able to read up on this morning is that Black's vote on ducky seemed like wacky business. Don't think he's being scummy?
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I think that's a perfectly valid reason to townread. I haven't found myself having any problems with pin's reasoning and he seems open and ready to bring his A game to the thread. So yeah I do townread there.In post 354, Zoronos wrote:I feel like I should dump my thoughts from my discussion with Pintu, but they’re still a bit jumbly. So, bear with me.
I think Pintu is seeing the evidence completely differently than I am. At first I wanted to call that scummy, but if I had one word to describe our discussion, that word would be “reasonable”. He never got incensed or frustrated, or called me scummy for leaning on him, he just calmly explained his position and why he disagreed with me.
I don’t really like his predicates, but he was very insist on their validity, and he took those predicates to a reasonable place. I can see how he got from A to B, even if I disagree with A. He didn’t bow or give an inch in his discussion, while remaining willing to engage it.
My gut says that’s towny but I struggle to clearly explain why or specifically what parts of our discussion made me feel towny on him. Maybe that he’s playing highly cooperatively?
Sorry for the mess, but that’s where I ended up. I wish I could have ended up at a ‘yeah, got the scum!, but that would be stretching for a conclusion I wanted instead of the conclusion I think the evidence points towards. I think my initial scum lean was wrong.
Congrats on your kids graduating! (?)In post 365, davesaz wrote:
Burning the candle at both ends in a fashion -- 6am conference calls some days, worked a post graduation party for the kiddos till past midnight last night.In post 244, pinturicchio wrote: So for real, tell me about dave? Is he lurking, active lurking, is this normal/abnormal coming from him, should we worry or is too early to know?
Not voting there but I think some of his early posts are really really devoid of solid reads and or progression so to say. But this gets better lately so that's null for me... Still think the Zoro vote is/was bad though.In post 378, northsidegal wrote:First order of business:
Blackstar voters, justify yourself.
I'm feeling pretty good about blackstar being town here. He's definitely going against the seeming "consensus opinion", but i fail to see where the "scum" part of that comes in. In fact, it's the opposite to me – he really doesn't seem to be concerned all that much with his own appearance. His thoughts and votes get him scumread, but they all feel totally real to me. I think a good example of what i'm trying to say is in his entrance with the vote on zoronos. as seen from the reactions it was definitely an "against the grain" move, but again, it all felt like completely real things that he actually thought:
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and, reading the thread myself, i canseewhere his thought is coming from.
i get a strange feeling that blackstar could be sorted pretty realiably using a spreadsheet (math probably knows what i'm talking about), but just on his play here i'm feeling pretty good about him being town.- HeWhoSwims
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Hard agree. Everyone gets lost in work/school/whatever sometimes plus I actually like Math's content so far, even though its setup spec, it feels town motivated to me, I can't spot anything scummy honestly. Agree about leaving him alive here, Math is a good townie as far as I've read (never played with him, did mod him) so the risk of mislynching there day 1 seems too high to me.In post 408, ruru wrote:
His activity isn't really AI right? I feel like his scum meta that I've read previously was like all power wolfingIn post 403, northsidegal wrote:i had my thoughts on mathdino typed up in the beginnings of a post going over all of my scumreads that i deleted, but basically he's in the lower tier for me right now mostly as a formality. he hasn't had much of a presence as of yet and i know that's more of a sitewide thing than a "this game" thing, but i still couldn't justify townreading him as of now.
Also I mean we're not wagoning the dinosaur d1 right like who does that
I skimmed over the ending of that game (never saw Mathscum either I think) and he said that basically his playstyle was like his normal one - doing townie like stuff but hiding the townie motivation from it. I don't see that this game. I saw him critisize NSG for example - unsure scum!Math would benefit from or would want to do that especially if northsidegal is, as it seems, sorta buddies with Math or has played with him a lot? Plus his setup spec did seem townie to me. He was conservative in it because of giving scum info.In post 414, pinturicchio wrote:@Zoronos if you excuse me, I'll start reading that and other things in the thread now, since I think I've dedicated almost all my time interacting with you I'll let you know if I see something at the duckling's wagon, but I'm not good at reading the duck... I think I have a null read in almost all our games and he has always been town in those.
@NSG yeah same problem, I've only seen town!Dino and the one time I thought I caught him he was an innocent child, great job me! But there's a Newbie Game that finished not long ago where Dino was scum and lost in LyLo; I only read the LyLo posts, but now that is over I will read the entire game. I mean, I don't know if I'll get something since he claims he shouldn't be metaread, but meh
What's your Zoro-Duck link exactly?In post 424, HitAlt wrote:I have no reason to reverse my scumread on the duck.
I'd argue we can see scum!Zoro more easily after duck really flips scum.
Pintu legit feels like town.
One scum in ruru/orcfz is probable.
Blackstra is likely town, and the ones who have poked/voted there so far likely have scum in them, looking for a potential mislynch.
I must agree, valid vote
This one isn't though. It's a naked vote, it's on someone I townlean, and it seems to be based on someone - gasp, how dare they - putting a vote on someone we're supposed to townread. sort of FOS here. Bad vote =/= scum.
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Isn't this sorta the same anyway except bussing is a bit more intense/grave?In post 493, the worst wrote:
this feels like distancing and bussing at the same timeIn post 490, pinturicchio wrote:
This feels like distancing and bussing at the same timeIn post 458, the worst wrote: tbh I think I'm being dumb with ofrhz. tonally she seems similar to our last game, but there's something awkward there.
also wagon motivation checks out
I think that last part is pretty good to keep in mind.In post 506, davesaz wrote:I see that them having both been on the ofhrz wagon could be concerning, if that were an actual reason. But in fact I looked at activity to get the Mathdino lead. I get most of my leads on players I know by differences from past games, and then digging into the difference to find out if it's AI or not. If it's someone I don't know, I have to ask questions to determine what they think, and then see if what they say about what they think matches the behavior. This is why my approaches to MD and ruru are different, and previous wagon composition is merely a coincidence.
At least I'm getting a decent handle on you.
Pedit: MD has been controlling in every single town game I've ever seen. He's even tried to control my town game when we were on a team together in Team Mafia. Therefore not controlling is a huge difference and it needs to be investigated.
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I mean it's logical to thing stubborn=scum because lack of collaboration but honestly how does scum gain anything from this? Or from tunnelling? It's bad for town I feel but not scummy per second. Scum can't get in anyone's good graces and they are gaining suspicion no? I feel most really stubborn players turn out to he town (see: chumba/Havo in a mini of mine which allowed me to win, yay) and we shouldn't scumread someone based off solely stubbornness.
Surely if that person is playing like shit and/or scum a negative read is in place but I hope you see what I'm saying?- HeWhoSwims
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That seems like wifom to me which again sorta makes it NAI
Sure scum doesn't have to give a flying duck but they might wanna pretend that's the case to get light towncred... But now that we mention that they might not want to do that etc etc
@math why doesn't scum rolefish?
I'll try and see if I can find the mental strength to iso alt- HeWhoSwims
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Okay, 614 and the few following posts are a good case (if that's the right word?). I'm not seeing scum!duck too much BUT if ducky is scum then I'd be open to lynching Zoro.
But if you cop him that's gonna give you a mafia result 95% percent of the time because of the framer (assuming we don't kill them before then) (edit: lol everyone's called this out right after the post itself, but still)
@Math dunno if forgetting the framer is town per se? Could be Hitalt trying to get cop discussion going althought I doubt it; TR on Hitalt.
Personally didn't see the part where jjh hard defends Ofrhz, must've slipped past me, but I'll believe it for now and hopefully re read later. In this case I indeed doubt it's ideal for scum!jj to hard defend his buddy scum!ofrhz. This would sooner be buddying/pocketing of ofrhz by jjh but I'm scumleaning ofrhz. Does anyone with meta have a solid townread on ofrhz?In post 644, ruru wrote:Doesn't scum.jjh often bus scum.ofrhz in this game state or wouldn't the third scum be hard pushing one of them and not the other or something
Like what's their plan if they're both scum
That was my first thought as well ducky what happened to the cute duck :/In post 668, ruru wrote:Woah it's skitter
My condolences pintu
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The scum ducky --> scum Zoro one. Which I just mentionedIn post 720, the worst wrote:Which connection exactly- HeWhoSwims
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Although it fits her avatar the latest part of her iso feels a bit too fluffy for me atm.In post 733, BlackStar wrote:@hewhoswims You had a FoS on Ruru before. Has your read changed?
And every time she naked votes a little part of me dies but that's probably more of a playstyle thingy since scum doesn't gain anything from naked voting, honestly (right?)
Ruru - do you want to talk about the worst? What do you think of the Zoro-Duck connection by HitAlt?- HeWhoSwims
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Now that dave mentions it
A joint ruru+ofrhz iso shows them barely interacting; a few NAI things at the beginning, ruru voting ofrhz for which barely any reasons get given (the quoted post is the only one it seems, which is not that strong) and ofrhz townreading ruru.
I get the impression these guys have played a few games together, right? Now I'm no meta expert by any means but wouldn't you expect them to be able to like, read each other better, in more detail than is happening now?
While odds of both being scum are obviously low, both of their latest posts haven't been stellar... I think. Discuss?
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I mean I don't disagree. Do you have anything new on him? Or based on past games since you do seem to know each other. How do you feel about his reasons to townread you?
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I paid extra for the separate VIP wagonIn post 770, ruru wrote:@Almost50 You have two different ofrhz wagons
(L3 if it's otherwise correct?)
Well, you said he would be obvtown normally, no? I don't really consider him obvtown this time. Agree there might be better lynches than ducky. At the very least ducky is talking and being active I feel.In post 789, Mathdino wrote:been sick. caught up.
sounds like jjh heavily warrants a metaread if he's going to be a lynch contender
TW has slightly more town equity as of these past few pages
i'm so wary about fully disclosing a read on TW before i'm confident in it
so let's just not lynch him today
Why is the Zoronos-TW association stupid? I hope not only because its youIn post 796, Zoronos wrote:Math: Here, I wrote this earlier tonight but decided to hold off on posting it. It's a couple hours out of date, I haven't updated it for the last page or so of posts.
Input?
Spoiler: last vc colorized
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Why's mine worse than any other?In post 871, ofrhz wrote:His vote on my wagon was bad
He admitted his reasons for scumreading me were weak, yet tried to throw shade on ruru for having those same reasons
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Eh. I personally turned around on the team thingy since you both have since shined and lived up to what I'd hope. So with that UNVOTE:In post 924, ofrhz wrote:
You say ruru’s reasons for scumreading me were weak, weak enough for you to subtly suggest a ruru/ofrhz scumteam, but your reasons for voting for me were literally for the same thingIn post 873, HeWhoSwims wrote:
Why's mine worse than any other?In post 871, ofrhz wrote:His vote on my wagon was bad
He admitted his reasons for scumreading me were weak, yet tried to throw shade on ruru for having those same reasons
I wasn't throwing reads at ruru. I was questioning because I genuinely thought ruru could have more of a read on you as it seems you have experience.
It doesn’t sound like you actually believe in your reasons for scumreading me- HeWhoSwims
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I assume this is about who I prefer as a wagon? I thought ofrhz was pretty inactive, had a low word-to-content ratio and I'm still no big fan. But he did answer my question how I would've liked it so that's a plus. As for the worst, my attitude atm is "he is scummy, but at least he's talking" and it may be useful tomorrow. Maybe my read can be more solid if I re-read his scum performance in the game I modded a while ago. So overall I thought ofrhz was a better lynch and some more scummyIn post 1028, Zoronos wrote:HWS never really answered the question I posed to him about ofhrz, I don't think. He just unvoted as the wagon disintegrated.
I think I owed someone else a response to something but I've forgotten what it was.
1- answeredIn post 1058, Zoronos wrote:Hey - HeWhoSwims:
a) You never answered my question about ofhrz vs the_worst.
b) What is your opinion on JJH? You talked about him a little bit way back near the start of the day 121, but if I'm understanding right by 273 that had turned around a bit? So I'm curious where your head is at now.
2- idk, dude has slipped by me pretty much. If Math says town!jjh should be obvtown and we can trust that, I don't really think jjh is obvtown and so may be a lynch contender. So much of his posts are 1 liners and I doubt missing them hurts much. However there is still the thing I mentioned in 121 which bugs me in a soft scumread of him.. but I may be overthinking.
*rolls around in agony remembering this game*In post 1080, pinturicchio wrote:I've played with scum!HWS. I don't feel the same way I felt in that game about him, and I was the one who caught him there. I've not said a lot about that issue because I was biased (I was the Jailkeeper and stopped his shot and I got pretty convinced that that was what happened, since there was a Doc claim too), so maybe my metaread is not as solid as I wish it was... But is definetely enough to push jjh instead of him
Sorta. I only have 3 completed town games; 1 on an alt where I didn't get mislynched (but N3 killed after outing my PR D3) and two others on here, Newbies 1839 and 1862 where I got mislynched in LYLO both times (once by NSG, actually). So often is not the right word maybe since the sample size is 3. But it's happened and likely will happen.In post 1084, ruru wrote:For the record I read somewhere in HWS's meta that he often gets mislynched as town
And besides town!Dino has lived to Mylo before. Although yes, discussing this takes the validity of NK spec away.In post 1107, Mathdino wrote:
stop saying these kinds of things unless you specifically intend to influence the NK with your wordsIn post 1105, HitAlt wrote:MathDino I'm not worried about yet, because he WILL likely be the first NK, and if not, we then assess his play D2 more closely.
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I'm HeWhoSwims it says right there at the top of the quoteIn post 1125, jjh927 wrote:
Who are youIn post 1118, HeWhoSwims wrote:If I gotta choose between jjh and the worst I think I'd prefer to lynch jjh but I'll overthink it and see if I have time to read his scumgame I modded.
Hitalt ... I think discussing the Night at this point is really bad regardless of Dino's role pm
Re: Dave. Zoro, he seems to be away for now but overall his posts seem towny and I had a small piece of meta. I wouldn't want to lynch him today.- HeWhoSwims
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I mean I don't think Dave is really in any danger here which is why the questioning would be more townie to me. Don't think he did it as scum where he wasn't in danger either. As for commenting I see (enough, I think) of him questioning people on their motives and just leaving his opinions and reads on stuff, which obviously is a given... but it seems to me as though he's doing less accusing and more evaluating this game and that seems town to me. Hope that's what you wanted to know?In post 1137, Zoronos wrote:I, hmm...
I’m not really sold on the notion that questioning a consensus town read is inherently towny. I’d think it’s closer to NAI in this case since not much new was uncovered, and it didn’t result in a scum read being pushed.
Commenting on stuff is also an odd take, since his posting has been pretty sparse and largely orthogonal to primary thread topics. Which, again, is fine if it creates and drives a new scum read. But I’m not sure I’ve really seen that here. He’s voting you and now you’re the second largest lynch train, but he effectively dropped a vote and left. He’s not selling that read, not pushing to lynch it.
Talk to me about the notion here that he’s townier than your scum game together. What do you feel we’re the triggers that demarcated his scum posting that are absent here (or vice versa)
How so>?In post 1140, the worst wrote:o yeah nah HWS read on Ruru was tragic- HeWhoSwims
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I agree with this.In post 1164, Something_Smart wrote:
That actually means it's probably a real tunnel.In post 1157, the worst wrote:yeah nah HitAlt lacks an ounce of nuance. this is clearly a fake tunnel.
I am or moreso was also not a big fan of meta, but eh. I figured it's worth a try. I don't think dave was really in danger that game until like, halfway Day 3? But I didn't reread the entire game, only his ISO and some stuff surrounding that.In post 1171, Zoronos wrote:
That is exactly what I wanted to know. I don’t think I agree with your conclusions, but that type of answer is what I was looking for.In post 1154, HeWhoSwims wrote: I mean I don't think Dave is really in any danger here which is why the questioning would be more townie to me. Don't think he did it as scum where he wasn't in danger either. As for commenting I see (enough, I think) of him questioning people on their motives and just leaving his opinions and reads on stuff, which obviously is a given... but it seems to me as though he's doing less accusing and more evaluating this game and that seems town to me. Hope that's what you wanted to know?
The notion that Dave isn’t in any danger here is precisely why I’m concerned about the type of questioning involved; it looked to me like make work designed to blend in without going anywhere. Neither he nor ruru were under any serious pressure, so he did something that might look like legitimate scum hunting, came to a town read, and moved on. In a vacuum those things are fine, but the questions felt a little facil and the angst a tad oversold.
Anyway, I appreciate the meta perspective. That’s useful, even if I’m not a big believer in the value of meta.
Stoooop stoppp I still wake up screaming because of this okayIn post 1197, BlackStar wrote:
We did vote in that game. We lost because hewhoswims wasn't there to break the tie at the endIn post 1189, Mathdino wrote:Hey does anyone remember that game I just modded
That was lost because town didn't fucking vote, even in lylo
Stop not voting holy shit its so tilting to see 3 days on the deadline and people actively not using their vote for shit
Duck... I love playing with you but lynching you is tempting. Why is hitalt scum?In post 1213, the worst wrote:Zero and ofrhz please have another read of my ISO.
jjh and HitAlt are scum.
I am not getting lynched today. Literally in any scenario.
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I'm mentally dead but I'll read alongIn post 1437, Mathdino wrote:I'd rather have a partner for VCA. I'll do the VCA but I need people to do some of the searching work for me.
Announce your hypoinno please.
The purity of the ofrhz wagon heavily implies scum were defending ofrhz for towncred. (or that ofrhz is scum I guess?)
jjh did exactly that. Mentioned ofrhz twice in his whole ISO.
So I could use an ISO dive on ofrhz and a search for people defending him.
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I find voting for this d1 to be highly suspicious (ofrhz, davesaz)In post 121, HeWhoSwims wrote:What would you say the jailkeeper would ideally do?
This wasn't meant as a crumb but it seems people picked it up as such- HeWhoSwims
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Happy birthday my dude!In post 1509, Mathdino wrote:HOLY SHIT GUYS ALMOST50 IS ACTUALLY 50 WTF
MOST HYPED BIRTHDAY ON MS
HAPPY BIRTHDAY
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