[SETUP] Round and Round

[mith]

It's not so much about what the roles are. Consider the following scenario:

D1: No lynch, no one says anything about their role.
N1: Maifa kill someone with no information - maybe they get lucky and kill the Cop, Slotcop, or Tracker. All the town roles do something, and then everyone moves slots.
D2: Everyone first claims whether they had a power role or not D1/N1, in some random order (or popcorn).

Now you've forced the scum to either fake claim having had a power role. If none of them do, you've got 3-4 power role claims (if scum got lucky, 4-5 if they didn't) with at most one fake. That's a ton of information about likely innocents, and at most one of those (legit) claims still has a power role (Tracker -> Doctor) so scum don't even get the normal benefit of outing a role. If several of them do, now you've got a bunch of power role claims and you know some of them are scum - at this point, town could go ahead and get full claims from all of them, including investigative information, locking scum into a slot claim, and again have a ton of information to work with. Probably 1-2 scum want to fake claim power roles?

And then you can no lynch again and do the same the next day.

Some of this could be fixed by not making the order of the wheel known up front. But even just the knowledge of what power roles are possible and how many is a lot of info, and adding the slot progression on top just makes it worse for scum.

[mith]

Again, it's not the roles themselves that matter much (though having investigations doesn't hurt). It's simply the fact that there are (so many) named roles and that town can use that knowledge to force scum into claiming a slot. It doesn't matter that claiming Tracker would expose the current Doctor to being nightkilled, if by the start of D3 every player is locked into a slot or two.

I'd be a little surprised if town couldn't force a win in this setup even if the named power roles didn't actually do anything.