Mini 2018 - American Presidents Mafia (Game Over)

[brassherald]

"Hey, I've got this kite, and this key..."

Votecount 1.6

Momrangal(4)

~ northsidegal(4), the worst(48), skitter30(41), stungun0404(28)

skitter30(2)

~ Keyser Söze(56), Irrelephant11(18)

Nauci(2)

~ Mathdino(40), Shoshin(62)

the worst(1)

~ Invisibility(26)

Mathdino(1)

~ Bernie Sanders(66)

Invisibility(1)

~ Momrangal(6)

Gamma Emerald(1)

~ Nauci(17)


Not Voting (1): Gamma Emerald(24)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-07-02 17:10:00)

[the worst]

gotchu fam

[Keyser Söze]

Are there any low-posters in the playerlist who are infamous lynchbait as town?

[the worst]

Hmmm you don't trust me enough for me to answer this question cryptically so
No.

[Keyser Söze]

Can we go back to this...

initial ping was his treatment of Shoshin thru rvs/early game. also got the feeling he's avoiding town hunting and leaving avenues open for later. haven't really seen anything in there that screams town to me so far.

Is Shoshin town in this scenario?

"avoiding town hunting" - really? I felt I've expressed my good-feels for stungun0404, Mathdino, Shoshin (been turning to her for quick takes on people), Irrelephant11 (in a passive aggressive way, trying to win them over), potentally a mild lean on Nauci too (but that is fading since I'm not seeing any pro-active hardwork from her).

"leaving avenues open for later" - I have expressed nearly every suspicion in my head on every player, so I agree with this. But don't think it's a scummy thing to do.

"haven't really seen anything in there that screams town to me so far" - I agree. But I could say that about everyone atm. I don't think there is a town leader yet unfortunately. A quarter of the players still need to step up. This playerslist has potential for a classic.

[the worst]

I'm kinda coming around on you Mr. Söze

But I swear to fucking god if I vote someone else in LyLo then drop a coffee cup I am gonna lose my shit

[Keyser Söze]

Answer the question about Shoshin mate.

Was I the manipulative scum in the scenario, and Shoshin the defenceless, innocent townie?

Hoping to clarify what roles you think we played out there. Try to explain my scum agenda when taking to Shoshin

[Keyser Söze]

But I swear to fucking god if I vote someone else in LyLo then drop a coffee cup I am gonna lose my shit

[the worst]

Oh yeah I read Shoshin as yikes level lynchbait and your push was scummy

[the worst]

FTR you're more likely town than Shoshin atm I'm just not happy about it

[Keyser Söze]

@Shoshin

I'm varying degrees of town on Math, Invis, Key, Mom, and Irrelephant.

Why was mom in your town-pile at that stage? (post #269).

[Shoshin]

I had Mom as town for similar reasons to Irrelephant, as well as her answer to my question in 163. Her play was also consistent with her town meta so nothing to worry about.

[Shoshin]

Mom's tunnel on Invis is pretty bad, though. So I don't have a problem with the votes on her, happy to see how that plays out for the moment.

[Shoshin]

Key, what're your reads at this point?

[Keyser Söze]

Yeah, maybe is a good time to review my reads.

(Still disappointed with a few players).

[brassherald]

Please note I have decided to update the rules and they can be found in the rules list. Some rules I'll be more lenient on than others, but just follow them and we won't have an issue with the enforcement of the rules.

[Keyser Söze]

northsidegal

Null read.

Would not vote atm.
Would lynch them over a no lynch though
Contributed nothing to game, and still in RVS (one vote).
Associations paranoia: if Momrangal were to flip scum, this looks bad for northsidegal.
Needs commitment or

replacing

.

[Shoshin]

Key, talk to me about Skitter.

[Keyser Söze]

Momrangal

Null scum lean.

Would vote.
Would lynch.
The invisibility-tunnel looks bad (regardless if invisibility were to flip town or scum).
5 of her 6 posts have been about invisibility.
No pro-active sorting of the playerlist.
Associations paranoia: Yep, you guessed it, invisibility.
Momrangal needs to show me she is interested in solving the game.

[Keyser Söze]

Key, talk to me about Skitter.

Ok, Skitter next. Was sharing the easier reads first.

[Momrangal]

Stun-town
Keys???town
Mathprobtown but I'm probably gonna flip back and forth there
Gamma??? Worth looking into
Elephant???town
Nanci???
Sho???
Skit???
DUCCKKKKYYYYYY!!!!if scum, never playing with Gemini again
NSG??
Bernie???town

Mentally I'm on page 9, but I don't know invisibilitys meta. I've never played and I pulled something I thought was scummy and rolled with it. I know you touched on it once but like, even if it is his meta whats stopping him from being scum here? If it's his meta it should be NAI and you shouldn't be town reading him off that.

[Momrangal]

I had Mom as town for similar reasons to Irrelephant, as well as her answer to my question in 163. Her play was also consistent with her town meta so nothing to worry about.

Who are you?

[Momrangal]

Even if you don't like the way Invis posts, 158, 168, and 169 should clear him. I highly doubt he'd make either of these as scum.

What makes these post so superbly special?

[Irrelephant11]

Irrelephant11 (in a passive aggressive way, trying to win them over)

Yeahhh fine you can sit in my nulls for now, but I'm not letting you get away with a unanimous "Keyser ends his sentences with question marks which is what town would do" so watch out

Momrangal(4) ~ northsidegal(4), the worst(48), skitter30(41), stungun0404(28)

Pretty sure this has a scum in it so let's talk about that

Maybe you had flashbacks..? Did you or didn’t you?

No, Skitter’s response to Shoshin was honestly fine

I don’t like Skitter’s *feel*, though. I’ll explain more later after my read stays the same or changes

You should sheep me though

I don't know what *feel* means

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Feeling currently like Shoshin/Stungun/math has at most one mafiosa. Keyser/stungun/skitter could have as many as THREE but probably not more than like 1.5.

how did you determine these groups?

1. *feel* was referring to your word choices. You've used "I don't think/I don't feel" "I'm not sure/I'm not seeing" "This doesn't/isn't" like SO much that I'm having trouble knowing what you DO think/feel/see and that comes across as somewhat intentional, given how much you've done it.

2. something something re-reading early posts something something shoshin/math and shoshin/stun really didn't look like early s/s and stun and dino both seemed independently towny

and then I was sorta light-scumreading all three of the second list and there was nothing to indicate they had different alignments

but also mostly I said it for the SPICE

But oh I thought tw was still voting him. It’s boring being the only vote for him rn so I’ll go back to VOTE: skitter because I feel confident town can pressure nsg and any other lurkers without me and I want more from skit

not really sure what you want from me tbh? i feel like I have a lot of readable content

This is true and I'd been skimming. Still not townreading you because I do still have bad feels about your posts, but,

Nauci is actually reminding me completely of our scum game together: "casual" as a way of seeming town without doing much work
VOTE: Nauci

[Momrangal]

And no I'm not about to metadive. I don't want to keep hearing "this is how he plays so we should just clear him"