How is this important? And Ive given you as much as is genuine without forcing myself to provide extra reasons. I just remembered I felt a certain way after vecna flip and am sharing my opinion. Your push back at me is ridiculous.
There was a reason why I said what I did at the time.
I want to know why you have this impression that what I said was disingenuous or spewing too much information.
It is important because I feel like you're grasping at straws to legitimize NSG's wagon or at least NSG/myself as scumreads, and if you actually have good reasons to think the things you do (particularly this one), then I don't see why you can't just explain it.
If you think my response regarding Vecna was scummy, then I don't see why anyone (especially me) wouldn't be interested in knowing why.
In post 2536, CheekyTeeky wrote:I'm voting NSG because she's ignoring me. I've given her opportunity to openly analyse her wagon and rather than proving her PoV is townie she's flipping town off so you can say I'm justifing a bs wagon but you're going to need to point out how NSG is town based on her responses today instead of turning the tables on me after you rush to defend NSG after weakly scum reading her D1.
I have not defended her.
I said I thought she could be town, yes. And I've said why here. But mostly I've just claimed today because a lot of people are going 'well Pine roleblocked her and there was no kill so she is probably scum' or 'well she is probably the best lynch today even though I townread her because Pine roleblocked her and there was no kill.' I've given a valid reason as to why it's possible for NSG to be town here despite the roleblock. And I've given my reasoning for why I decided to claim despite scumreading her yesterday (and a lot of my townreads have been saying she was town anyway, so of course I'd reassess, as if I wouldn't do my due diligence anyway and reassess my read on her).
What about her today has been scummy? That she hasn't immediately evaluated her wagon? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Self preservation? I think town have as much reason to fight their mislynch as scum do to stay alive. I don't think it's a scumtell.
What does any of this have to do with you 'being pinged about my response regarding Vecna'?
Pine is claiming to have roleblocked NSG, who is claiming VT. NSG is the only wagon so far today.
I've claimed 1-Shot Bulletproof because I am and thus don't think Pine's Roleblocker claim is a surefire scum catch (it could be but I think that we're better off reading NSG off of play here).
Day 2 practically just started so you can read through the game and catch up that way.
So, you should probably start with NSG and go from there?
In post 669, Vecna wrote:Ok, Guess I should at least try to do some votecount shit. Ill try to catch up to the game in the next few days. For now ill just help you along to lynch something.
Vecna Votecount 1.3 - Up to date, to the best of my ability, I do not feel liable for any errors.
In post 1903, CheekyTeeky wrote:xRECKONERx
Gammagooey
T-Bone Lady Lambdadelta
Vecna
Vaxkiller
brassherald Alisae
----- Need to sort below
northsidegal
Pine
hiplop
Brian Skies
Gamma Emerald
hyung
------- Would lynch below
PenguinPower
mutantdevle
Firebringer
ArcAngel9
Hm, doesn't look like any of our lynch targets really align. why do you townread alisae, vecna and reck?
i feel like you have too much lynchbait in your lynchpool.
Spoiler: BBmolla's Mentions of Vecna
In post 2256, BBmolla wrote:Vecna is scum btw, don't know why there's no wagon there
In post 2108, Vecna wrote:I cant shake the feeling that those catchup posts from aa9 were written by a different person than the "scum be lurking on my wagon" aa9.
I also cannot help but shake the feeling that vax mightve actually been bussing aa9 up untill now, trying to get credit from a sinking ship.
Not quite sure how lld fits in there, but this rage feels extremely fake and distracting
I'm just shamelessly sheeping my townread in hopes he can help me in my attempts to usurp Vecna from his unbridled position of authority. Don't mind me.
With that said, I don't have a particular issue with Mutant pointing out a potential vig soft claim. His sudden spurt of activity afterwards is interesting though. I think it's likely he realized he hadn't done anything of value up to that point and decided to start contributing instead of becoming a vig target. Survivalism? Could be, but is that really something only scum are capable of? Everything he's done though is a constant stream of 'wtf am i reading?'.
I'm gutreading Hiplop as town.
I'm townreading Vax.
NSG's lolcase on Gamma is still odd and I'm scumreading her for it. NSG's defense of Mutant is sketchy (and yes, I'm reading it as a defense because what else would it be?).
I would townread T-Bone if he were more insightful instead of just being reasonable. The only thing I like from him so far is his vote on NSG, but that's still somethign that was originally done randomly and I'm pretty sure he's indicated in some way that he's not really scumreading her.
I don't really think AA9 is scummy. But I did think it was possible she was scum avoiding the game, hence the vote.
Vecna continues to be useless. I stand by my bid to impeach him and take his place.
I hope UT's executive decision to give us a VoteCount doesn't count against our total.
I don't have time to read through and figure out 60 billion Gerald posts right now.
Cheeky, why are/were you townreading Gamma?
In post 697, Brian Skies wrote:As far as I can tell, the main point of the VC is for Vecna to indicate his vote. Nothing else really matters.
I'm guessing the 'you may lie on the VC' is for if the person making the VC's doesn't really want to go through the hassle of counting up votes, etc, etc.
In post 708, CheekyTeeky wrote:In regards to the VC thing I think Vecna likely town for it. If he was using his VC for scum deception purposes I don't think he would've been so obvious with his abuse of power/memeing early game. I agree that it only really serves as a way for Vecna to give his vote but think it also gives the game another layer of added WIFOM.
I'm rejecting this unless he starts doing towny things.
I was actually okay with the wagon on her during my reread since it seemed like she was bouncing around without any rhyme or reason (and I can see scum doing that and others scumreading her for that sort of behavior, although I'm unsure if that's why most of you were voting her). I was kind of okay with her in the last few pages in regards to Reck, but I don't remember why I was.
I didn't like her Vecna townread, and I haven't bothered to check if she's indeed scumreading everyone who votes her (which is just lol if this is the case because I think she's admitted to trying to pull attention to herself).
It doesn't necessarily make you scummy, but is super suspicious. Especially when we flip them.
It's day 1. We should be look at wagons like this: Unless you are town reading them, get on the wagon.
Well this certainly feels like a 'damned if I do, damned if I don't' sort of situation, and regardless of her flip, no?
It doesn't really make sense for me to lynch someone just because, does it?
Why do you want her dead anyway?
We also have 5 days left so why do you keep pushing this idea that the day
has
to end?
Do you not get that I don't like the option that you guys keep trying to shove in my face and I'm exploring other options (AA9 who was nonexistent, Vecna who I still don't think has done anything majorly town-indicative, NSG LOL, TBone who I think did something that could be scum-indicative and it's why I'm pushing him)?
If you think it's suspicious that I don't scumread her and that I should (for whatever reason), then don't you think it makes more sense to explain to me or convince me why she needs to die today instead of just trying to strongarm it onto me?
In post 1049, Vecna wrote:brian, can you go into what you think about pine's play is substantially different from civmaf? disregarding it not being packaged in roleplaying.
From what I remember, Pine's play was mostly:
A) Hiding behind heavy amounts of flavor
B) Naked scumreads (most of which was on Vecna)
C) Empty promises to explain said scumread(s)
D) "I'm Busy" or "I'm Overwhelmed"
I've also only read a small portion of that game, so if you think it really is the same, you'd have to explain it to me.
I meant to ask you about these but don't think I ever did. Could you elaborate on these reads for me?
In post 1898, Brian Skies wrote:It is a bit laissez faire I guess. And forced. I won't deny either of those.
I think North is scummy. And I think Hiplop is scummy. I think Angel could be scum, but it could also just be a result of English probably not being her primary language and the game being the way it is. I'm unopposed to her lynch anyway and would still hammer her if she made it to L-1.
I think Ali is probably town. And maybe Fire. I don't have any other townread I feel strongly about.
Hyung is probably town, I still stand by this assessment. I did get the feeling he was trying to solve or sort the game before he disappeared and it kind of felt like town frustration.
You are a hot mess. Reck is a hot mess but he's been sort of indicating a comfirmable role so meh. Pine is trying but is meh (best thing I've liked from him so far is his thing on Angel).
I'm still waiting for LLD to catch up as nothing from her catchup makes me feel solidly one way or another from her. She did touch up on some things that bothered me about Vax in her catchup though, although I don't feel that Vax has been that scummy. I could probably be convinced to vote Vax since his 180 flip to townreading me after I said I townread him was interesting. Still think the 'Brian was so much townier before his TBone push' is probably a natural townie feeling (Ali did the same thing).
Penguin is meh and I've mostly been townreading him because I thought his early content kinda felt like scumhunting, and the last time I played with him He didn't really do that and mostly pushed questionable flavor related things. He is back to meh.
Vecna was a lot of nothing early on. His later content feels townish enough that I'm not really interested going there right now.
Gooey is probably town. Gamma I still think is town. Didn't like his earlier thing about Angel when he meta dove her and found nothing of value after we told him it was a waste, and he came back wondering why we had no thoughts on it. But his later thing about Angel was okayish.
In post 2493, Brian Skies wrote:I'm a 1-Shot Bulletproof. I don't mind claiming right now because if I stopped the kill, then it's probably gone now. If Not, then w/e. It's main utility was to keep me alive anyway.
I don't really think scum shot me (although I don't think they couldn't have either). I just don't like people hardpushing the idea NSG has to be scum here, especially if they're reading her as town.
It's weird and I don't like it.
I'm also waffling on NSG being scum, and there are people I'd rather lynch before her.
Like Mutant and Titus. Maybe Penguin who avoided the game all day but still found time to join both the AA9 wagon and the Vecna wagon at EOD.
AA9's hardpush here doesn't give me the greatest vibes either.
I like LLD and maybe Ali for giving her some space.
In post 458, Vecna wrote:is it studded with diamonds all along the black shaft?
I do not think this product is right for our market.
In post 590, CheekyTeeky wrote:Hyung, Vecna, Arc and Hiplop are pretty useless but idk if that's AI.
I think scum are likely in:
PP
Gamma Emerald
Vaxkiller
Hyung
Tbone
At this point. I'd be willing to remove Tbone & co today and lynch in Gamma/PP. I have a feeling I'm wrong on Tbone and scum PP carried on the initial push.
In post 708, CheekyTeeky wrote:In regards to the VC thing I think Vecna likely town for it. If he was using his VC for scum deception purposes I don't think he would've been so obvious with his abuse of power/memeing early game. I agree that it only really serves as a way for Vecna to give his vote but think it also gives the game another layer of added WIFOM.
In post 741, CheekyTeeky wrote:Hmm don't know about gamma either now. Vax, Brian, Gooey town, Tbone town.
In post 856, Vecna wrote:Firebringer is weirding me out, with his whole sudden defense of Cheecky. Im a sucker for the meta-argument but this one seems really thin and weird.
I agree with most of this. The defense wasn't sudden, I feel his town read on me so early was pretty bs too. Rather than sudden I'd say "oddly timed" - which was when he initially believed I had been lynched. His quick "oh yeah she is at L-2" post implies he did think I was hammered when he started harping on about "bad lynch, gamma next" and then the somewhat believable defense. I've had my misgivings from the start when I believe he town read me too early in a somewhat contradictory manner.
If Fire is scum, Gamma looks conf town and NSG/Hyung look much worse. I don't know what to make of the Reck v Fire thing that just happened though. Still processing, but it's possible SvS.
Omg 18 days is so soon. We should try guess the weight/date and lynch whoever is furthest XD
Vecna why do you prefer a Vax lynch to a Mutant lynch?
In post 1903, CheekyTeeky wrote:xRECKONERx
Gammagooey
T-Bone Lady Lambdadelta
Vecna
Vaxkiller
brassherald Alisae
----- Need to sort below
northsidegal
Pine
hiplop
Brian Skies
Gamma Emerald
hyung
------- Would lynch below
PenguinPower
mutantdevle
Firebringer
ArcAngel9
In post 1908, northsidegal wrote:Hm, doesn't look like any of our lynch targets really align. why do you townread alisae, vecna and reck?
i feel like you have too much lynchbait in your lynchpool.
I think AA9 and Mutant are most likely to be lynchbait, but seeing as it's D1, I'd rather mislynch them today then be left with them later. Call it policy.
Vecna is gut from the start, his reads aligned with mine and I think he's the kind of player that will get easier to spot as scum further down the line.
Reck I 180'd on because of his push onto AA9 and his posts can be seen from a messy town PoV. I feel like the interactions around my wagon fake hammer point to at least one scum {Pine, Reck, FB}. I've recently learned that scum are most likely to stay off mislynch bait especially when there's suspicion around the wagon so that intensifies my Reck TR and drops Brian down for me.
Alisae will also become more obvious but I just feel like she's not driving an agenda. I did when she first replaced in, but I town read Brass slightly and kinda feel like her playstyle is more "too scummy to be scum" than mutant if that makes sense?
In post 2027, CheekyTeeky wrote:Vecna can you explain why you initially thought Vax was scum?
In post 2327, xRECKONERx wrote:i dont see why UT, being lazy, creates a PT with Vecna to post votecounts
if he's scum he just posts them in the scum PT
Nice point.
The reason I said what I did in 713 was because everything Vecna had done up to that point was pretty much nothing and not town indicative. I also thought Cheeky's reasoning for townreading Vecna there was pretty poor (although mostly I just saw that she said she townread Vecna and I was like ???, 'no').
Obviously, Vecna did a lot more after 708, but NSG's treatment of the Vecna slot seems to be pretty townish and/or believable to me. Like, she doesn't think he's town, and thus doesn't give him towncred, and even questions when other people do.
Molla even entered the game with a hard scumread of the Vecna slot (and after Vecna flipped scum, I voted BBMolla to become the next Votecounter as a sort of reward for sparking that wagon at EOD; if he didn't really want it then sorry, I guess).
I started off the game joking about the Vecna slot because I thought it would be funny to push him for the VC thing based off of UT's response to me (I live in Vegas and thought that me being a VC and joking about hookers or blackjack could have been fun). However, as Vecna started to do nothing, my scumread of him did solidify. I feel that his lackluster push on Pine makes Pine more than likely to be town. I'm not quite sold on him spewing AA9 being town, but I feel that AA9's play has been improving over time (and she's always lurk-scummy anyway and I don't feel like that's AI for her). He did move up for me later in the day, but it was mostly out of him playing the game and other players being nonexistent or useless or whatever and dropping in my reads list rather than anything majorly town indicative he ever did (basically he went up because others went down; see Hiplop, Penguin).
Cheeky's first mention of Vecna being town is not great. And she does move him into the never lynch pile, and I don't think he ever did anything majorly worthy of being put in that pile. But the reasoning seems to mostly boil down to 'I like his reads' and 'I think his role is likely to be town,' both of which I find very :/
Obviously there are other people that had a read on Vecna and I don't really feel like going through all of them. I just feel that NSG is an unlikely buddy. And Cheeky is dodging my question and she seems like she'd be a buddy anyway.
Viscon Crossroads: I was provided with a fakeclaim and I'm pretty sure I claimed it (to my neighbor Desp). Some Newbie Game: I CC'ed the town PR, but this was mostly out of necessity. Kuribo in Wonderland: I claimed VT in this game. Battlestar Galactica: I don't like to include this game because I started off as town and claimed my role (Watcher) as town before I became scum (and I kinda sorta helped to wreck my own scumteam and kinda sorta became an SK I guess). And then it turned in X-Shot Watcher or something. Idk.
I don't think I've fakeclaimed in any other games.
I can subscribe to Ali's post. It meshes with most of my reads anyways.
Not really sure about the AA9 (who I think could be town anyway) or [BBMolla?] (who I think is probably town, but I guess that could be one of those TMI bus read thingies; although it mostly just reads as BS to me and I think people were already mentioning that Gamma was playing differently than normal so...) conclusions, but the rest seem okay.
In post 1575, Untrod Tripod wrote:Since people are talking about it, for the sake of eliminating WIFOM: I have a PT where I am providing my count of votes up to post (wherever) so that whoever has the Votecounter role will have as little work as possible.
In post 2643, Gammagooey wrote:I think Vecnas push on arc at the end of the day makes her (now pirate mollie) very likely town and also I think more town than lld looks from Vecnas push on her but I'm likely a bit biased towards thinking lld is still sun b/c of d1 stuff
Okay, sure. I guess I can see that regarding AA9.
I think the reason Ali is townreading LLD from the Vecna interactions is because it seems as though Vecna is talking to town or goading town into following through with their desired lynch.
Which would then make it more likely Hyung is town?
In post 2654, Brian Skies wrote:I think the reason Ali is townreading LLD from the Vecna interactions is because it seems as though Vecna is talking to town or goading town into following through with their desired lynch.
Which would then make it more likely Hyung is town?
Nevermind on this.
I think Vecna was trying to goad Ali onto LLD's slot.
In post 2713, northsidegal wrote:Well, you could assume that it means that scum shot Brian, but there could still be another protective role out there.
"Information lynches" are garbage.
Like, if you're thinking that from an objective standpoint (not taking into account reads) it's equally probably that pine roleblocked me as that Brian was shot, I still utterly fail to see the purpose of lynching me.
You need to pick a stance on me.
You can't both use my claim as a reason to discredit the roleblock on you AND try to fish out another claim.
In post 2719, northsidegal wrote:Never have I tried to fish for another claim. That's an utter falsehood - multiple times I have stated that another protective role, should it exist, should not claim.
I don't need to "discredit" the roleblock - it's literally unambiguous that from an objective standpoint and, assuming your claim is true, Pine's roleblock on me is absolutely not any sort of "guilty". That's factual. It's not a "discredit".
I get that you were scumreading me before this, but I feel like you're more interested in keeping me open as a lynch option than understanding why I claimed.
Also, there's no guarantee there's another protective or other role that could have interfered with the NK.
But you're stating that:
1) You're town
2) I could be scum
3) There could be another role that prevented the kill
It's like you're trying to move the wagon from you onto me, while at the same time trying to draw out another claim as you do so.
In post 2730, xRECKONERx wrote:nsg i have no idea how you're gonna flip. it's 50/50 for me and it's basically all purely claim/setup related.
my gut tells me that brian being scum with you is more likely than you being scum by yourself
or that pine is scum with you
like you got blocked, brian claimed to distance and gain town cred/cast doubt on nsg's claim
or scum saw the no kill and pine jumped in with a bs claim to force brian to claim
it's purely conjecture and paranoia. but i want to be clear that my push on you is not related to your behavior
and tbh i dont care to try because im convinced that REGARDLESS of if you're town or scum this is the right way to go
I don't like this, but I feel like this is more likely to come from town than scum.
In a 'this is probably caught scum and I feel like taking the risk' sort of way.
In post 2731, northsidegal wrote:Why in the world would I be moving the wagon onto you, even if I were scum?
I'm literally pointing out what I perceive to be flaws in people's reasoning from an objective standpoint, because that way people can understand it not just looking at it from the PoV of me being town.
All of those numbered things you listed are objective truths.
No, you can't possibly say that I'm trying to draw out another claim when multiple times I've said that people shouldn't claim.
Not so much moving the wagon as trying to keep me open as a lynch option. You're acknowledging that my claim supports a 'you-town' scenario, but you're also (or were) actively pushing the idea that you thought Town-Me claiming here was
unlikely
.
The way you're pushing it also feels like you want some sort of confirmation that there are or aren't other roles that could have interfered with the role, which kind of feels like drawing out other PR's.
Yes, the things I numbered could be objective truths (from a town-you mindset), but I don't see why I can't just be town claiming BP because I feel like it's the mechanically right thing to do regardless of what I think of your alignment.
In post 2731, northsidegal wrote:Why in the world would I be moving the wagon onto you, even if I were scum?
I'm literally pointing out what I perceive to be flaws in people's reasoning from an objective standpoint, because that way people can understand it not just looking at it from the PoV of me being town.
All of those numbered things you listed are objective truths.
No, you can't possibly say that I'm trying to draw out another claim when multiple times I've said that people shouldn't claim.
Not so much moving the wagon as trying to keep me open as a lynch option. You're acknowledging that my claim supports a 'you-town' scenario, but you're also (or were) actively pushing the idea that you thought Town-Me claiming here was
unlikely
.
So what you're saying is that you don't like that I haven't locktowned you yet?
And you can't see how me not locktowning you is completely reasonable from my point of view?
And that's ignoring how I've detailed my thought process on how you're either very likely town or scum making a really bold play by fakeclaiming here,
and
how I asked you for meta on you fakeclaiming as scum?
The way you're pushing it also feels like you want some sort of confirmation that there are or aren't other roles that could have interfered with the role, which kind of feels like drawing out other PR's.
You can't keep saying this. I don't know how many times you want me to repeat it - i don't want anyone else to claim.
I don't think you have to townread me for it, but I definitely think I've earned more than being relegated to your scumpool. As I see it, I'm the best reason why an NSG lynch doesn't happen today.
If you don't want others to claim, then stop repeating 'Brian isn't necessarily town here' like a broken record. Because from a town you perspective, I'm probably town here regardless of what your read on me is.
I'm okay with alternatives. Like, I would be okay with a Mutant, Penguin, maybe Titus alternative wagon.
I don't really feel like you're looking for alternative wagons. Just looking for reasons to discredit the wagon on you and the townreads on me.
I hate people saying this to me so much.
"Defensive".
I mean, most of the conversation is centered around me. Of course that's what I'm going to end up talking about.
Didn't you think what you thought was me trying to shift the wagon to you was a scumtell? How is not looking for alternative wagons scummy? (not even true btw, given my cheeky vote)
Didn't I vote Cheeky first though?
Okay, I'll admit that defensiveness isn't a scumtell. I actually said that here.
Reck and Pine are just very charismatic and I kind of want to take a chance on the Roleblocker shot. Worst case scenario you flip town and I'm probably dead within the next two nights anyway. Or you're scum and people lynch me for paranoia that I'm you're buddy (which is a trade I'm okay with).
I've also gone through the effort of reassessing my read on you and you sitting on a scumread on me doesn't exactly incite the best vibes from you.
Okay, I'll admit that defensiveness isn't a scumtell. I actually said that here.
Reck and Pine are just very charismatic and I kind of want to take a chance on the Roleblocker shot. Worst case scenario you flip town and I'm probably dead within the next two nights anyway. Or you're scum and people lynch me for paranoia that I'm you're buddy (which is a trade I'm okay with).
I've also gone through the effort of reassessing my read on you and you sitting on a scumread on me doesn't exactly incite the best vibes from you.
Who're your scumreads?
What happened to the Brian at the start of the day who looked back at my day one and figured that I was town?
I feel like you're just willing to lynch me now because I didn't locktown you for your claim or something, and I'm honestly not sure if it's coming from scum! you or town!you.
Like, i'm sorry that doubt still remains in my mind that you could be scum? i haven't gotten around to reviewing those scumgames, so i still can't make any conclusive statement on whether you'd do the fakeclaim as scum or not.
I've already given my readslist.
My reads change with the wind this game. I thought that was obvious by now.
I don't care if you townread me for it or not. I just don't like you going 'Brian's claim is proof that I could be town' while at the same time going 'Brian being town is incredibly unlikely here.' So far, I'm the only thing standing between you and certain death, so don't fault me for thinking that you don't really get that option right now?
Sure, I can buy that you haven't gone through those games yet. ALthough I pretty much told you what I claimed, and it's pretty much me claiming my role (or what was given to me). And I don't think it makes sense for scum-me to claim right now in any scenario (I mean, if you're town, then from your perspective I can either get your mislynch and/or draw out other PR's). So a little actual thought here would be nice.
options
- you're scum, we lynch scum
- you're vt, we lynch vt, we know brian skies is town and scum have to waste another shot killing the came person
- you're vt, we lynch vt, there's another claim out there and now we know it or the bp claim are true
imo the loss of a vt that will be a constant mislynch target in exchange for game-relevant setup info is perfectly acceptable as a worst case scenario
I'm working within the context of the third option there because i know 1 is wrong
and 2 seems exceedingly unlikely to me
:
Is the information that at least one of two claims must be true worth having one less townie in the game and going into the night phase? Because I don't think it is at all. It's not as if it
prevents
scum from in any meaningful way fakeclaiming something.
What's more, the only reason that i think i could be called a constant mislynch target would be people falsely taking the roleblock as a guilty. Anyone thinking that the roleblock makes me more likely to be scum should share the viewpoint that it is equally likely that the lack of a kill makes Brian Skies confirmed town - simply going off of mechanics that is. If you scumread me by play, it's an entirely different point - the thing is, nobody (or at least, not many people) seem to scumread me by play, and i think that's something that can remain the same or even improve further on into the game.
So basically, the information gained from my lynch honestly seems pretty useless, and I think the only reason I could even be called a "constant mislynch target" would be people choosing to believe that the roleblock makes me scum over the equally likely possibility that it makes Brian Skies conftown? (Equally likely just going off of setup, which you've said you are)
This here seems like you're pushing the idea that town-Me is incredibly unlikely. So...?
But I still find the claim to be a potential scum fakeclaim.
After all: easy excuse as to why Brian doesn't die at night (scum are scared of the BP) and lets scum make it impossible to verify Pine's roleblock is actually what stopped the kill.
Really??? I havent been here long and I have been informed and not informed.
In post 2854, Titus wrote:Pine claimed rber...yet scum wanted him to have the glass over Fire? Why would scum redirect all actions from one town (Pine) to another town (me)? That makes no sense.
This sentence makes no sense to me as is, but I think I know what you're trying to say.
However, please explain to me why you think Pine the evil Lightning Rod steals the invention from you and then admits to receiving it?
My new desired lynch pool is Mutant and Penguin. Maybe Reck.
I could probably be convinced in voting Hyung as well, although he is leaning more on the townier side of null for me. I'm just not sure how to feel about his reaction to the NSG wagon today.
NSG, if you don't have a solid read on Mutant, then I would like you to vote him and help push him, if only to get him to explain himself and make him more readable.
