Product Placement Mafia (Game over!)

[Vecna]

me too.

official votecount 1.1:

drealmerz (6) pine, mastina, vecna, pine, cheeckyteeky, nostrilbear.
untrod tripod (1) fucklazymods

untrod tripod is set to be lynched. you hve 12098 hours remaining. enjoy.

[Vecna]

i just got engaged yesterday and work is also killing me. ill lurk for a bit more.


official votecount 1.2:
nothing changed since votecount 1.1
unkept tripod is still set to be lynched.
you have a little under 5 hours remaining.

[Vecna]

is it studded with diamonds all along the black shaft?

[Vecna]

Is it a Laser-Raptor?

[Vecna]

Oh wait, those were obviously real, nm

[Vecna]

Ok, Guess I should at least try to do some votecount shit. Ill try to catch up to the game in the next few days. For now ill just help you along to lynch something.

Vecna Votecount 1.3 - Up to date, to the best of my ability, I do not feel liable for any errors.

ArcAngel9 - 2 (Brian Skies, Gammagooey)
brassherald
Brian Skies
CheekyTeeky - 7 (PenguinPower, hyung, Pine, Vaxkiller, Gamma Emerald, Mutantdevle, Vecna)
Firebringer - 3 (Gamma Emerald, xRECKONERx, Gammagooey)
Gamma Emerald - 3 (northsidegal, Firebringer, CheeckyTeeky)
Gammagooey - 1 (brassherald)
hiplop
hyung
mutantdevle
northsidegal - 1 (T-Bone)
PenguinPower
Pine - 1 (CheekyTeeky)
T-Bone
Vaxkiller
Vecna
xRECKONERx

[Vecna]

(9 to lynch, deadline in like 7 days)

[Vecna]

Gamma, How do you feel I should be reading you in this situation?

[Vecna]

Didnt read everything yet

Firebringer is weirding me out, with his whole sudden defense of Cheecky. Im a sucker for the meta-argument but this one seems really thin and weird. How do people manipulate stuff in this setting and so early? Why were those responses to getting near-hammered not manipulative in nature?

Pine is giving me some flashbacks to civ mafia, just packaged different. Id jump on that bandwagon anytime.

While reading up, nothing that penguin did left any impression, which is probably bad.

MutantDevle could be scum

Vax could be scum

Pretty decent list of mild townreads but I cba listing them or going into them right now

[Vecna]

I do really care. I already have a pretty decent idea, but theres some changes going on with you in general, and id like that answer

[Vecna]

well based on past knowledge of how you've read me I'd guess scum

That certainly was my first impression yes, since your tone and irritation levels are on overkill.......However, there's something also fundamentally different in how you approach the game and interact with people. Youre not trying to shy away from critical evaluation to the same extent, and instead of dismissing people their crap as crap, youre actually appear to be trying to read into it, instead of just flatly dismissing it.

The fact you'd think id scumread you here for it, makes me think youre not completely aware of that distinction, making me think its unlikely to be faked to appear different.

I think you just made it to my never-lynch list

[Vecna]

Also Cheekyteeky here is either very town, or was very happily getting bussed by a bunch of teammates and was ok with that.

Not so happy with my vote there anymore.

[Vecna]

Vecna Votecount 1.4

ArcAngel9 - 1 (Gammagooey)
brassherald
Brian Skies
CheekyTeeky - 4 (PenguinPower, hyung,Vaxkiller, Reckoner )
Firebringer - 1 (Vecna)
Gamma Emerald - 3 (northsidegal, Firebringer, CheekyTeeky)
Gammagooey - 1 (brassherald)
hiplop
hyung - 2 (T-Bone, CheekyTeeky)
mutantdevle
northsidegal - 2 (Brian Skies, Gamma Emerald)
PenguinPower
Pine
T-Bone
Vaxkiller
Vecna
xRECKONERx

With 17 alive it's 9 to lynch
Deadline in 7 days, 11 hours, 50 minutes

[Vecna]

Id invite you to hop off Gamma and join me on firebringer

[Vecna]

oh I just noticed I have you twice in my votecount

[Vecna]

Vecna Votecount 1.4

ArcAngel9 - 1 (Gammagooey)
brassherald
Brian Skies
CheekyTeeky - 4 (PenguinPower, hyung,Vaxkiller, Reckoner )
Firebringer - 1 (Vecna)
Gamma Emerald - 2 (northsidegal, Firebringer)
Gammagooey - 1 (brassherald)
hiplop
hyung - 2 (T-Bone, CheekyTeeky)
mutantdevle
northsidegal - 2 (Brian Skies, Gamma Emerald)
PenguinPower
Pine
T-Bone
Vaxkiller
Vecna
xRECKONERx

With 17 alive it's 9 to lynch
Deadline in 7 days, 11 hours, 50 minutes

[Vecna]

Well that at least doesnt feel like something a scum Pine would say to his teammates

[Vecna]

True on all accounts. Wont stop me from making certain assessments all the same, though.

[Vecna]

brian, can you go into what you think about pine's play is substantially different from civmaf? disregarding it not being packaged in roleplaying.

[Vecna]

im not really feeling this game yet. too many people feeling too easily towny. Gamma (both of em), brian and cheeky all seem obv town to me at this point. Boneguy also seems legit.

I expect theres a scum in fire and pine. Not sure if both would try this overbearing gimmick where they simultaneously buddy cheeky, but theres something fishy going on there. Pines response when i made the throwaway statement that he wouldn't make such a comment about teammates also struck me as odd. (and the sort of pridefull statements scum often make when they did in fact did said thing).

I want my penguin to come in here and talk some sense to me.

(cba making a votecount atm)

[Vecna]

I also have sort of a semi. not sure whether its because of the post or because ali is townreading me from the get go.

[Vecna]

be quiet plebeian

[Vecna]

me being restricted to mostly phone posting during my upcoming vacation kinda will make it hard to do votecounts. I need a volunteer for delegating it to, without actually lynching me to switch the market guy.

who wants to be my "assistant"?

[Vecna]

Vecna the way you should do votecounts if you just need to move your vote around is go something like

T-Bone (1): Vecna

Not Voting: Everyone else

It gets the point across of who you want your vote to be swapped to

I know Ali, i was just asking for the making of votecounts since the mod given ones are gonna be decreasing over time.

And on that note, youre hired gammaE (starting in two-three reallife days).

[Vecna]

also as far as i can tell, deadlines are static and independent on the number of mod votecounts.

[Vecna]

Can people talk to me about their T—bone read please ty <3

Im guessing tbone is the type of player that is able to easily fabricate long coherent posts as scum? So far ive been under the impression he seems pretty town.

[Vecna]

thats a rather strange statement in isolation after using ny effort levels to read me

[Vecna]

MutantDevle could be scum

Vax could be scum

I meant to ask you about these but don't think I ever did. Could you elaborate on these reads for me?

Not really much thought about them, just initial impressions that Mutant's trolling felt somewhat forced, and that Vax just felt scummy. The few posts that followed from mutant made me question the initial impression somewhat though.

Dont really have a clue about Vax at this point.

[Vecna]

Vecna Votecount update

Alisae - 2 (Firebringer, CheekyTeeky)
ArcAngel9 - 2 (Vaxkiller, T-Bone)
Brian Skies
CheekyTeeky - 3 (hyung, xRECKONERx, Gammagooey)
Firebringer - 1 (Vecna)
Gamma Emerald - 1 (northsidegal)
Gammagooey
hiplop
hyung - 1 (Vecna)
mutantdevle
northsidegal - 1 (Gamma Emerald)
PenguinPower
Pine
T-Bone - 2 (Alisae, Brian Skies)
Vaxkiller
Vecna
xRECKONERx

With 17 alive it's 9 to lynch

[Vecna]

Ugh I hate doing this VC shit lol. All these mini-wagons suck. Why cant I have a firebringer or Pine wagon just magically appear

Alisae - 2 (Firebringer, CheekyTeeky)
ArcAngel9 - 2 (Vaxkiller, T-Bone)
Brian Skies
CheekyTeeky - 3 (hyung, xRECKONERx, Gammagooey)
Gamma Emerald - 1 (northsidegal)
Gammagooey
hiplop
hyung - 1 (Vecna)
mutantdevle
northsidegal - 1 (Gamma Emerald)
PenguinPower
Pine
T-Bone - 2 (Alisae, Brian Skies)
Vaxkiller
Vecna
xRECKONERx

With 17 alive it's 9 to lynch

[Vecna]

Alisae - 1 (Firebringer)
ArcAngel9 - 2 (Vaxkiller, T-Bone)
Brian Skies
CheekyTeeky - 3 (hyung, xRECKONERx, Gammagooey)
Firebringer - 2 (CheekyTeeky, Vecna)
Gamma Emerald - 1 (northsidegal)
Gammagooey
hiplop
hyung
mutantdevle
northsidegal - 1 (Gamma Emerald)
PenguinPower
Pine
T-Bone - 2 (Alisae, Brian Skies)
Vaxkiller
Vecna
xRECKONERx

With 17 alive it's 9 to lynch

[Vecna]

Alisae really wants T-bone dead it seems. Maybe we should give in and just end the day here.

[Vecna]

So if we can all flash-vote there, ill make it into a nice VC, and its a done deal

[Vecna]

This is you getting what you want. Just sit back and enjoy.

If youre wrong though you better be prepared to use that charisma to powerlynch my pick tomorrow

[Vecna]

Alisae - 1 (Firebringer)
ArcAngel9 - 2 (Vaxkiller, T-Bone)
Brian Skies
CheekyTeeky - 3 (hyung, xRECKONERx, Gammagooey)
Firebringer
Gamma Emerald - 1 (northsidegal)
Gammagooey
hiplop
hyung
mutantdevle
northsidegal
PenguinPower
Pine
T-Bone - 6 (Alisae, Brian Skies, MutantDevle, Gamma Emerald, CheekyTeeky, Vecna)
Vaxkiller
Vecna
xRECKONERx

With 17 alive it's 9 to lynch
You have 2 hours until deadline. Get this shit over with.

[Vecna]

Man the urge to abandon this thing and go for firebringer again is so huuuuu-i-ge

Why arent you doing that thing alisae, and doing the live interacting thing with FB when he was around earlier? I wanna see if that wagon has wings as well.

[Vecna]

Can we agree to use our newly formed 4-man voting block to punish Firebringer and Pine if this problem persists into day2? Im not having another civ repeat

[Vecna]

ok so my trip to africa is starting today, so ill be restricted to phoneposting. Gamma Emerald is hired, starting imediately, as my vote counting assistant. Since NSG seems to be doing a devent job as well, starting now, hes my vote counting assistant-deputy.

voteparking on arc due to popular request. Reck and mutant seem to be panicking slightly, but it doesnt feel particulalrly scummy to me. Still pretty underwhelmed by all recent devellopments.

Still completely happy to wagon fire or pine.

votecount:

arcangel9 - 1 - (vecna)

apparently we have 8 days and a bit again untill deadline. hurray

[Vecna]

also i was bitching to UT about how lazy he is this game and how he excused his laziness with a "mechanic" forcing players to do VCs and he said he has a PT where he's actually doing updates so

which he updates roughly every half official votecount

[Vecna]

what the fuck is this ISO

why hasn't this player been replaced

Okay, this got me to actually read the AA9 ISO.

The AA9 wagon is a really super obviously transparent scum-driven counterwagon. Not sure if against Reck or Mutant, but this makes me want to take a REALLY hard look at the people on the AA9 wagon and how it developed.

this really reads like frustrated scum because their strongest role got randomed to a lurker that is getting lucky-lynched.

if this flips scum, pine is so next

[Vecna]

Reck, PP, NSG and ?

Pine would you like me to replace out? I seem to really rub you the wrong way. I'm happy to leave if that makes this game better for you. I don't appreciate being called a VI.

I don't mind if you stay.

Part of me wants to insist, "If you don't want to be called a VI, don't act like one."

But I'm on a "Don't be an asshole" kick, so instead I'll apologize and simply counsel you to simmer down and come on a little less strong. Jumping all over the place, projecting absurd levels of confidence, sniping at other players...it's a recipe for people both disliking you and not taking you seriously. There are players around here I like both don't take seriously. There are players I quite

dislike,

but whose reads I respect/fear. Being disliked and disrespected is not a place you want to be.

Tell you what. One-time offer: clean slate. Relax, simmer down, and be more congenial, and we're going to be okay.

....and then its followed again later by a post like this. which reads extremely town.

[Vecna]

so youre saying that type of post is the one a scum pine couldnt come up with to buddy up to people?

[Vecna]

or to keep a later potential mislynch from replacing out, potentially making it a slot thatll ve much harder to lynch

[Vecna]

make me an inspired assclown avatar and i might change into it

[Vecna]

It was actually a serious comment / question.

You stated yourself i shouldnt make assumptions about how youd play under certain circumstances....so...

Are you claiming you couldbt come up with such a trope as scum? I wouldnt put it behind you to cone up with it abd make it convincing.

cant have it both ways

[Vecna]

Pine, I agree with your points, mostly, but at what point do we lynch a never contributing aa9? Because its not like the volume of posts is gonna decrease significantly.

Last game i played with that aa9 the exact same thing happened. extra effort was promised but never came, resulting in a later game lynch on the slot. It was done as town tmaa9 that game, but its not like that means its ai this game.

I have no faith whatsoever that contribution is ever gonna come. A lynch is gonna happen on the slot regardless.

[Vecna]

Pine, I agree with your points, mostly, but at what point do we lynch a never contributing aa9?

Because its not like the volume of posts is gonna decrease significantly.

Last game i played with that aa9 the exact same thing happened. extra effort was promised but never came, resulting in a later game lynch on the slot. It was done as town tmaa9 that game, but its not like that means its ai this game.

I have no faith whatsoever that contribution is ever gonna come. A lynch is gonna happen on the slot regardless.

Not on D1. Probably not on D2. D1 is usually the toughest, and D2 is usually half the pace. D3 is often 1/3 the pace. At that point, there's no excuse, and it becomes suspicious.

When and if the lack of contribution actually manifests, we can talk about it. Until then, we have actual scummy players to investigate and lynch. On my agenda are Mutant and Vaxkiller, with Cheeky, LLD, Fire, and Reck previously dealt with. Also valid agendas would include sorting Alisae, Hyung and, frankly, you. I could also get behind pressuring hiplop, Penguin, and either Gamma, all of whom are similarly-low content slots which you seem to have no problem with. In fact, it's *really* suspicious that there's such an easy wagon on AA9, but no one wants to pressure any of those people. Personally, I find it to be tantamount to proof that she's Town.

Once again, mostly agreed. But.....

I strongly prefer the aa9 lynch over the alternatives at this point. I have zero interest in lynching Gemerald, Cheeky or Reck (which seem to be the most scumread alternatives atm, even though i have no clue why since they all appear as blatant town to me). LLD also seems like a terrible lynch and im happy that wagon didnt succees in hindsight.

Hiplop hasnt been on my radar at all and penguin I know will at least be usefull if town later on. (Wasnt she getting replaced though?).

I still dont know why you consider firebringer as a sorted issue. Its still my most preferred lynch today, but atm im fine just ending the day with a lynch.

And this wifom about deducing allignment based on ease of wagon is a load of crap. sorry but it is, and you know it.

Overall I think were of a somewhat similair mindset, but personally i really cba to try pushing new wagons with my availlable time. Ill be there to vote vax or mutant though if u get it going (with a slight preference for vax). If not, im completely happy where i am.

[Vecna]

Vecna Votecount

Alisae
ArcAngel9 - 5 (Vaxkiller, Gammagooey, xRECKONERx, CheekyTeeky, PenguinPower)
Brian Skies 1 (nortsidegal)
CheekyTeeky
Firebringer
Gamma Emerald
Gammagooey
hiplop 1 (firebringer)
hyung
Lady Lambdadelta
mutantdevle
northsidegal
PenguinPower
Pine
Vaxkiller - 2 (Pine, Vecna)
Vecna
xRECKONERx - 2 (Brian Skies, hyung)

With 17 alive it's 9 to lynch
Deadline in 4 days, 14 hours, 56 minutes

[Vecna]

not sure if that deadline is accurate. This was way more hassle on a phone then id like, especially on the not so good connections over here. Wouldnt mind having a new assistant with genemerald replacing out.

[Vecna]

I like Pine

I'm completely unmotivated to do anything day 1 because I've already given my opinions and whatever. I wanted this over 40 pages ago so we could have a flip instead of pages of useless posturing. more pages on day 1 doesn't give you more information, it just gives more shifts in public opinion and lets scum play the field until they get to a position they're satisfied with.

I'd prefer to lynch reck or cheeky. I don't think that's going to happen but that's my view here for the best likelihood of lynching scum as we go to the next day. I'll settle for anyone completely inactive or who's promised but not come through (I didn't like hiplop earlier for this and I actually think if we lynch a lurker, this is a better option - everyone talks about aa9 but hiplop is even more inactive yet people let him slip by without comment, so I think the aa9 focus might be scum motivated)

my viewpoint didn't change here and people's alignments aren't changing just because they're posting more or posting less. it's about what they're posting and I'm seeing a scum cheeky with a smug tone from having gone from wagon to no votes. you know scum who get away with it and then get people to townread them for activity alone? that's exactly how it comes off.

anyway. I'm going to watch and check in and fair warning, probably hammer the first wagon I see as long as it's not on a townread.

if anyone wants to help build a hiplop wagon I would probably want in on that too.

Not quitebsure what to think of this post. you like pine, while you seem to have the complete opposite reads? And you didnt get a progression from anyone since your last bunch of posts?

[Vecna]

VOTECOUNT AS OF POST 1951
Alisae
ArcAngel9 - 5 (Vaxkiller, Gammagooey, xRECKONERx, CheekyTeeky, PenguinPower)
Brian Skies - 1 (NSG)
CheekyTeeky
Firebringer
Gamma Emerald
Gammagooey
hiplop - 3 (Firebringer, Brian Skies, hyung)
hyung
Lady Lambdadelta
mutantdevle
northsidegal
PenguinPower
Pine
Vaxkiller - 3 (Pine, Vecna, Alisae)
Vecna
xRECKONERx

With 17 alive it's 9 to lynch
Deadline in 2 days, 15 hours, 26 minutes

[Vecna]

(ut used the pt again, hurray)

[Vecna]

vaxkiller is like the all town wagon. hop on hop on

[Vecna]

youre pushing cheeky for absolutely no reason as well. All youre doing is yelling at people for voting you like a crazy person, pretending like they dont have valid reasons. They do have valid reasons, so start actually doing something else besides pointing at peope voting you for reasons that are completely nai. like you stated repeatedly that you would

[Vecna]

Also I really dont get why people are townreading vax here. His reasoning here around the aa9 wagon just feels incredibly off. no real town thought process around it. He doesnt even aknowkedge his own wagon, but instead tries to focus all attention on aa9, with weak lines about "vote analysis of resistance".

@Hyung why wait for tomorrow with your looking into vax and not start today?

[Vecna]

I cant shake the feeling that those catchup posts from aa9 were written by a different person than the "scum be lurking on my wagon" aa9.

I also cannot help but shake the feeling that vax mightve actually been bussing aa9 up untill now, trying to get credit from a sinking ship.

Not quite sure how lld fits in there, but this rage feels extremely fake and distracting

[Vecna]

ok people, literally open aa9's iso

fucking do it.

read the earlier posts. theb read thr catchup posts.

compare the grammar. compare the sentence structure. the weirs language mistakes are suddebly gone.

these recent posts come from a different person

[Vecna]

hell no

[Vecna]

ok people, literally open aa9's iso

fucking do it.

read the earlier posts. theb read thr catchup posts.

compare the grammar. compare the sentence structure. the weirs language mistakes are suddebly gone.

these recent posts come from a different person

are you out of your mind? If you doubt my integrity then please feel free to challenge me.

English is not my first language but if I spend some time and re-read my posts. I tend to correct them and make them sound much better which is something I have learned to do it over the time. the reason my language may have sounded very bad because i wasn't really into the game earlier and i really didn't give time as ii am doing it right now.

I am also a trainer here so i am expected to be better and more constructive in my writing and i do it consciously if i feel something is important and relevant to me. If not, I just garbage my language, I get influenced by phrases from my mother tongue. I pretty write something only that makes sense to me.

Now stop being a dog with a bone and dont think that you have discovered something that nobody has done it. Do real scum hunting please.

fair enough, and i wasn't suggesting you have someone sit your account, more that someone was tailloring post for you in the scumchat.

but the speed of this reply completely shuts the door on that so.....yeah ok. ill take your explenation.

ignore my distraction and keep up with the catching up

[Vecna]

Guess my irritation about how you handled stuff when you replaced in was at least somewhat misplaced. Good job