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Post Post #854 (isolation #0) » Thu May 03, 2018 3:47 pm

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In post 820, BBmolla wrote:It’s like someone saying “team mafia will ruin the site,” it’s absolute nonsense.

Any arguments about people using it to show off or whatever are dumb arguments anyway. Any of us who have played league or over watch or whatever games know the “my stats are better, you play support.” But that shouldn’t stop ranked games it’s really not that big of a deal and that sort of thing happens at this site already so it won’t be any different.
this literally happened to me in my last scum-play. In scum PT we were like "maru: IDK what to do. Other person: I know this setup we do X, Y, then Z. M: Okay. Other person: do you want me to bus you or you to bus me? me" you should probably do all the heavy lifting idfk what I'm doing here..."
In post 827, GreyICE wrote:Again, I feel like W/L record is better. W/L record accomplishes the same goal of giving meaning to the games, without all the horror of a ranking system. Plus it matches what people are currently doing. Not reinventing the wheel is good!

Seriously, to start with, any ranking system for a team game has to approximately determine the strength of the team. Methods for doing this could probably fill a book, and are in all respects slightly arbitrary, as it's very hard to develop a methodology of quantifying both how much individual player skill contributes to team win, and how much a lack of other player skill contributes to team loss.
so make a queue where the w/l record in that queue is tracked, and don't track it site-wide. Sometimes people play in some off-the-wall setups or some CRAZY mechanics and take some gambles they wouldn't take in a normal or in a oft-used setup, because it's a unique game or a unique mechanic. Those games shouldn't count against any form of officially recognized status (ranking, w/l record, etc)

If I play that one variant with 50 people all given unlimited dayvigs and a dayvig ends the day and rolls to d2 with a 24 hour delay on their dayvig usage, and i get shot in first day first post, then my team goes on to lose, do I want that in my "official" stats? Nah. I "played that game to have fun" not "played that game to win". Sure I wanted to win going into it, who doesn't? But nobody expects to go into a game like that and have a level of seriousness found in games like chess mafia, strategy mafia, or team mafia. And wouldn't want it compared to those types of games in an arbitrary stat.

if there is any form of officially-tracked stat (w/l, rank, skill, etc, whateverthefuck) it should be in it's own queue, or have theme queues or micro queue or SOMETHING be immune to it, so people can go there for the more whimsical less serious games (like my last Grand Idea uPick. Would you want a game where you changed roles three times, died twice, then deadlocked the voting pool from the grave on your third role to count against an officially tracked stat? lolno)
In post 852, Kison wrote:I usually track SEO at the start of the month. Figured there's no reason not to share this here. Low numbers are better:

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Could we add to the mafiascum.net Page Title appended to every page to make it "mafiascum.net party game" to grab the mafia party game and the mafia game searches?
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Post Post #856 (isolation #1) » Fri May 04, 2018 4:16 am

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In post 855, GreyICE wrote:I already suggested take it to normal queue, Maruchan. If you'd simply read anything rather than whining you'd have known that.

This site doesn't want to be helped, it wants to die. I see no reason not to let it.
I read the first five pages then everything posted this year. Didn't just whine. Was actively trying to help further discussion, sorry if that is not allowed. I could care less personally as my stats are shut so idgaf if it is or is not sitewide, was trying to be helpful to the topic under discussion
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Post Post #857 (isolation #2) » Fri May 04, 2018 4:19 am

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In post 855, GreyICE wrote:I already suggested take it to normal queue, Maruchan. If you'd simply read anything rather than whining you'd have known that.

I swear people want this site to die.
Actually just isod you and searched for word normal and you not once mentioned take it to normal queue until this post.

So thanks for attacking me with baseless accusations of not reading. Would read again.

I'll just /out of this thread and go back to only being active on minecraft thread gghf
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Post Post #894 (isolation #3) » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:07 am

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Basically people want fun nighttime shenanigans vice scumhunting and debating
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Post Post #916 (isolation #4) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:27 am

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In post 896, AnonymousGhost wrote:
In post 894, Maruchan wrote:Basically people want fun nighttime shenanigans vice scumhunting and debating
To be fair, you can have fun nighttime shenanigans (aka role madness) while still having scum hunting and debating.
Yeah but its difficult to do so in 72 hour desdlines
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Post Post #948 (isolation #5) » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:34 pm

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Flip it upside down?
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Post Post #960 (isolation #6) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:32 am

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In post 958, Nexus wrote:Probably doesn't help that other sites are actively recruiting from this site, to be fair.
I haven't seen/heard of this, they are?
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Post Post #983 (isolation #7) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 9:15 am

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i thought it was drmyshottyizsik?
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Post Post #991 (isolation #8) » Fri Jun 29, 2018 2:56 am

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In post 989, Nexus wrote:If someone has been banned for being detrimental to the site and people want to rage quit because of it, then it’s probably no great loss. We all know there’s a new place where they all congregation, and if you don’t, check out the advertising in the discord.
people keep mentioning all these other sites poaching from us and whatever, and I keep not seeing or hearing anything remotely to do with other sites.

im confused
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Post Post #993 (isolation #9) » Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:14 am

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yeah I knew that but that's like the third reference I've seen in the past week to people saying that there is advertising going on, and I have not seen any advertising for other sites in my entire time on MS.
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