Open 730: Donner Party [Terminado]

[BlackStar]

This feels like TvT to me

If you mean Lucky vs Unreal, I think so too. CJV isn't though.

Yeah, I was talking about lucky and unreal

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I get some town vibes from AP but I'm not ready to actually call him town yet. He's only posted theory so far with a votepark on himself, and has not done any actual scum/townhunting so far. I'd suggest wagoning the fuck out of him if his activity begins dropping once theory-crafting dies down.

MM feels very much like new!town with all the vote hopping. Not-Mafia's vote on him feels like a genuine Town!Not_Mafia vote but I think it's misplaced.

VOTE: LuckyOtter 105 is pretty bad (CJ's bothered because he has meta reads on you, not just because your disengaged. I don't think there's a way to misunderstand that without doing so purposefully) and the 82 vote feels rather opportunistic.

You're right on AP imo.

I'm to the site, but not to FM. And "vote hopping" as you say is my meta.

N_M didn't post enough for me to read him. Why do you believe he's town for some unexplained votes?

:O why are you saying that? I didn't feel the 105 was scummy.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Darn I see your point.

VOTE: LuckyOtter

..........what? Wtf is that? VOTE: Ceejayvinova

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Did you read through my last game? Does it feel like a large discrepancy? (CJ and Sando can weigh in on this, too). How much are you reading me for this game vs. CJ's meta read?

So you obviously understand the value of using votes to place some early pressure, because in your eyes that's what CJ is doing. But somehow, my vote on MM must be scummy because it is not a genuine scumread. I couldn't possibly just be trying to feel MM out, a person who you are not certain about either?

VOTE: UnrealSeal
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CJ are you poking and prodding or is this a serious vote at this point?

Before you got voted up, it did, actually. But right now, I believe you're town. And I believe this entire thing with you and the Seal is a town vs town argument.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

This feels like TvT to me

"this" being who vs who?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

This feels like TvT to me

If you mean Lucky vs Unreal, I think so too. CJV isn't though.

Yeah, I was talking about lucky and unreal

Oh lol ignore #129. I think that too.

[Korina]

Votecount 1.3

ceejayvinoya(4)

~ ManateeDude(14), AP(13), Not_Mafia(5), Marshmallow Marshall(37)

Marshmallow Marshall(2)

~ BlackStar(8), Mathdino(1)

LuckyOtter(2)

~ UnrealSeal(6), ceejayvinoya(11)

UnrealSeal(1)

~ LuckyOtter(7)

Sando(1)

~ ejjinami(10)

Not_Mafia(1)

~ Sando(9)


Not Voting (1): shizune(1)

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

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[Marshmallow Marshall]

Votecount 1.3

ceejayvinoya(4)

~ ManateeDude(14), AP(13), Not_Mafia(5), Marshmallow Marshall(37)

Marshmallow Marshall(2)

~ BlackStar(8), Mathdino(1)

LuckyOtter(2)

~ UnrealSeal(6), ceejayvinoya(11)

UnrealSeal(1)

~ LuckyOtter(7)

Sando(1)

~ ejjinami(10)

Not_Mafia(1)

~ Sando(9)


Not Voting (1): shizune(1)

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

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@Korina, what do the numbers next to our names mean? I thought it was the votes on us, but apparently no...

[Korina]

The bolded numbers are the number of votes a player has. The normal, non-bolded numbers are the number of posts the player has made.

[UnrealSeal]

N_M didn't post enough for me to read him. Why do you believe he's town for some unexplained votes?

It's N_M's meta. He plays in a way that makes him very easy to sort.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

The bolded numbers are the number of votes a player has. The normal, non-bolded numbers are the number of posts the player has made.

Ok thanks <3

[Marshmallow Marshall]

N_M didn't post enough for me to read him. Why do you believe he's town for some unexplained votes?

It's N_M's meta. He plays in a way that makes him very easy to sort.

Okay, but don't you think that he can change his meta very easily then? I believe he's the incarnation of the problem with metareads.

[UnrealSeal]

he's been playing this way for like 4 years

[Marshmallow Marshall]

he's been playing this way for like 4 years

Wtf lol

[BlackStar]

I really don't like the vibe I'm getting from Marsh. He seems way too frantic and desperate for town validation

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I really don't like the vibe I'm getting from Marsh. He seems way too frantic and desperate for town validation

So because I'm not as lethargic as you, I'm scummy? I'm always top poster on my forum, every game (unless I die early of course, but even there lol). And "desperate for town validation"? Elaborate on that please.

If you want a link to a game on my forum, http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthrea ... ht=spirits. My newbie game: viewtopic.php?t=76171&start=875.

Does anyone know BlackStar's meta, or have a link to a game he was in to give me?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

@BlackStar I want reaction to #140, please. Going to bed now, good morning people

[ejjinami]

@Mod, V/La for the next week.

Seriously not sure how much will I be on the next few days.

Noted.
-Kor

[ejjinami]

Darn I see your point.

VOTE: LuckyOtter

..........what? Wtf is that? VOTE: Ceejayvinova

Elaborate on the vote please.

Darn I see your point.

VOTE: LuckyOtter

VOTE: CJV
So, you voted Unreal because you failed to get his logic. That was fine. Then you "got his point", so you unvoted, which was also fine.

But how the hell do you now vote Lucky for failing to understand Unreal's logic and -instead- taking it the way you yourself had intended it to be??? If you bloody didn't see your own point until someone else pointed it out to you, how can you fault another person for failing to see it too?

What do you think was the scum motivation of that post?

[ejjinami]

I’m sticking to my early read on Manat. I’ve read 3 games where he was mafia and lately 1 town one and I think it shouldn't be hard to meta-read him.
Or like, as mafia he struggles with making reads and reacting to stuff a lot. I’m not sure if anything would change if he rolled SK, but I’m gutting him town rn.
This read might either change or get stronger with time, but as for now, I’d say his posts are fine.

[ejjinami]

And I’m really tempted to townread lucky. I don't really feel that vote on MM coming from scum, especially newb!scum. Kinda bold as for that tbh. And his defense posts later on felt like sth that would naturally come from a town mind. That’s an easy read tbh.

[ejjinami]

Same with cee, like, I can see him flipping town here. He is normally an easy ML-bait and considering the previous games I’ve played with him, I don’t think his vote switches are that bad. Like, I’ve seen him do worse things as town, I don’t think it makes him scum. I’m kinda freaked out by the amount of stuff he’s written, but I think I’ll reread the game lucky was talking about and change/solidify my read on him after that, cuz my memories of cee’s play from back then are kinda vague.
Not sure when will I have the time to do that, cuz I have literally no internet connection most of the time rn, but I think it shouldn’t be a problem to make it before EoD.

[ejjinami]

VOTE: MM
This is where I’m at rn. I reaaally didn’t like his last few posts.

[ejjinami]

He was scum and I ended up listening to people instead of my gut.

Gut says AP is a good wagon.

VOTE: AP

Mmmm I dunno, honestly you're probably right D2, but D3 I think I'd be more likely to go crumbhunting. I'm thinking crumbing is better than hypoing in this scenario but I have no experience with hypoing so take that with a grain of salt. I just feel like hypoing might lead to more WIFOM than necessary

Did you just entirely sheep my views lol?

Tbh this felt like shade.

I'm not convinced in your argument against Sando. If you had something stronger, I'd consider it

Why are you asking for something "stronger" when we're not even 90 posts into the game? Which kind of case do you expect? VOTE: Sando

And I don’t like this one. The vote feels really itchy considering he seemed to have some thoughts about Lucky and black.
It felt like he was either trying to buddy me because of my read on sando or was nervous to push his own scumreads.
Regardless of which of it is it, I don’t really like it.

Did you just entirely sheep my views lol?

Nah just looking for a good wagon. Yours is better. VOTE: Marshmallow Marshall

How do you read otter’s vote on you?

Ignore what I said about him trying to confuse town... I think I'm the one who's confused right now lol

This just feels like a bad way to back away from their actions.

VOTE: MM

http://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthrea ... he-Smith-s

Convinced?

This feels either like an “unnecessary power contest” or a stress/defense reaction.
Like, this is not a strong argument, but this and the previous post really remind me of his previous scum game Iplayed with him.
Defensive posts and being afraid to OMGUS a townread/strong townie were one one of the main reasons why I scumread him there. Tbh the only thing that he’s doing differently in here is that he doesn’t feel like he’s rushing in for all the easy towncreed.

Like, that posts ^ are either scum-indicative, or NAI for him. I remember him saying post game, that most of the stuff I read him for were NAI, but like, tbh I’m not really thrilled to test it out.
I’d like him to comment on the vote btw (in 81).

[Sando]

Sorry, I didn't expect to have this hectic a weekend, I'll be back online tomorrow