SUPP 2017 MAFIA: COMPLETE

[Shoshin]

and i'm not looking for the answer you already gave of having a history, i'm asking why a town Shepard would be "looking for" reasons to townread you as opposed to just looking at your play and reacting accordingly to it.

My sense from interacting with him is that he likes my play as town and would like working with me as town.

[DeasVail]

Regarding Fire, I do struggle to see the cop guilty fiasco coming from scum but I’m happy to hear arguments as to why scum comes up with such a convoluted plan.

this is one of many of Deas's posts that make me wonder how open he is to any lynch that might have traction.
Maria's vaguely town and Fire's vaguely scum in his last look at the 'cop claims', but there's some mild heat on Fire so Deas is still interested.
combined with my earlier feelings and my scumread hasn't really abated one bit.

This isn’t accurate at all?

Also I think the post you quoted makes it pretty clear that I’m unlikely to entertain a lynch on Fire, but obviously if people are suspecting him I want to talk about it.

[Taly]

Correct play in a theme game such as this is not to lynch a cop claim and if the cop flips town lynch the other cop claim; correct play in a theme game is to not lynch either cop claim and let them investigate for a night, and then off of those investigation results, revisit and reevaluate every day on whether to lynch one of the cops and if so which one.

this is actually what ive been thinking and thats whats kept me from pushing

Fire/Maria

...

i just dont get half the playerlist's gameplay at this point, and i feel like ive lost sense with what lynch in my suspect pool would give me the msot clarity, im also going back and forth on the

Shepherd

-slot

for people who townread that slot, can they explain a bit more on that?

atm, im not feeling the

sho

lynch, and i actually am getting town vibes from them

and i feel like not many people in the thread are on the same page, and

sho's

one of the few people trying to mend this

[Shoshin]

So why would one post destroy your entire scumread on PP? And if it did why focus exclusively on someone to the exclusion of all others if your case is that bad?

Look at these questions, MWNN. How are these not evidence that Sheperd is pre-inclined to read me as scum?

I just think there's a big difference between misrepresenting something and being mistaken. I don't think there is enough in that one post to make the leap to misrepresentation and lynch him based on it.

I understand what you're saying but my point is that he's specifically emphasizing certain things I've said while ignoring others, which to me is more than just a mistake or misinterpretation, it's manipulative. Sheperd's a pretty bright guy, after all. I find it hard to believe that he ignores the reason I unvoted - to keep PP from being lynched while I reevaluate - to push the idea that I suddenly townread PP. I also find it hard to believe that he'd scumread me for that turn because if anything it's a town-tell - why would scum me stop voting PP there when I could easily let that lynch happen?

[DeasVail]

Also Chara I’m interested in if you gained anything from asking for links to my recent games or was that just an empty question.

I’d also like to know why you’re suspicious of me being potentially open to lynches of PP, Nahdia-slot and Shoshin. I would think it pretty usual for someone to be potentially open to more than one lynch, and you have also expressed an openness to multiple lynch options, so it seems weird that you would scumread it.

[DeasVail]

I still think PP is more likely scum than you and I doubt that you’re scum together, but seriously I’m a bit puzzled

[Shoshin]

DV, can you say a bit about why you want to lynch PP over Sheperd?

[Taly]

[DeasVail]

DV, can you say a bit about why you want to lynch PP over Sheperd?

While I have reasons for scumreading PP as I’ve described in-thread, I don’t have anything specific on Shepard to scumread. I mildly townread Nahdia Day 1 for her spearheading the end day movement, but by the beginning of Day 2 I wasn’t feeling the townread so much anymore. But still not as suspicious for scum as PP imo. I do plan on looking at Shepard’s entrance more closely when I get more time, but from first impressions, I don’t get strong scum vibes. There may be a weak town tell based on how they’ve interacted with me today, but I want to see more before divulging what I’ve been looking out for.

[Shoshin]

I'd love to know what the town-tell is. He's actually doing something that is sort of townie for him to do, but he's doing it in a way that makes me think it's an intentional attempt to manipulate his meta. I'd be curious to see if it's the same thing you're thinking.

[the worst]

2

, 3*, 4, 6, 7, 8*, 11*

[the worst]

12 I'm struggling so so much with but I don't want it to be the case.

[the worst]

Vi

Welcome, NicoRobin.

People care about what you think. To be specific, they're all clamoring to know what you think of them.
You are

Vi

, the

Ranking Townie

.

Alignment: Town

-- You win when all threats to town are dead, and there is at least one member of town alive.

Passive: Public Rankings

(

Get 'em while they're still fresh!

) -- Your D1 rankings of other people will be made public in-thread and are assigned double weight.

17. NicoRobin

(TOWN)

Average:

2.06

Number of 10s:

1

Number of 0s:

8

With that, Night 1 begins immediately and ends in (expired on 2018-06-20 21:38:00).

0
4
3
0
0
0
0
0
0

4
0

1
2
1
1
20
AVERAGE
2.25
TENS
1
ZEROES
8


Something is off here based on the numbers provided by worst. The averages are wrong. Did someone sanity check these?

as I said it isn't really clear to me how the doubling thing factors in

[ManWithNoName]

I would think that it takes the rankings, adds the ranking from Nicorobin twice, then divides by 19. Is that what you're doing?

[the worst]

I'm highly suspect of

Fire

at this point

Suspect him all you want.

He is objectively a terrible lynch today because we have two cop claims; if both

are

town (and yes I realize people doubt this but it is not impossible), then pun's only option is to deal with them during the night, lest they both produce more results.

I am telling you now that if we lynch Fire Assassin today and he flips town the entire punteam will be on that wagon and I will lynch exclusively from the players on it, for precisely this reason.

Now I admit, there is a significant chance Fire Assassin is just pun, but this changes nothing.

If he is pun fakeclaiming cop, he still has to produce results every day, or be lynched when he fails to do so.

So we wait.

We give him, at minimum, one day phase.

Correct play in a theme game such as this is not to lynch a cop claim and if the cop flips town lynch the other cop claim; correct play in a theme game is to not lynch either cop claim and let them investigate for a night, and then off of those investigation results, revisit and reevaluate every day on whether to lynch one of the cops and if so which one.

This is a fucking good post.

second

[the worst]

I would think that it takes the rankings, adds the ranking from Nicorobin twice, then divides by 19. Is that what you're doing?

no I haven't tried that -- good call.

[the worst]

gut has spoken

VOTE: Shoshin

[Shoshin]

I don't understand how I'm getting scumread here, just crazy to me.

[Shoshin]

I think your gut is broken, the worst.

[Commander Shepard]

I am afk today and tomorrow y’all. Really need to lynch Shoshin here.

[Errantparabola]

Votecount 2.14

Commander Shepard

(5): MariaR/Chara, Dunnstral, Taly, Shoshin

PenguinPower

(5): TehBrawlGuy, Punreader, DeasVail, Vaxkiller, Fire Assassin

Shoshin

(3): PenguinPower, Commander Shepard, the worst

Fire Assassin

(2): Espeonage, ManWithNoName

Not Voting

(0)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to achieve a majority.
Deadline in (expired on 2018-07-04 23:06:00)

[Vaxkiller]

I am afk today and tomorrow y’all. Really need to lynch Shoshin here.

y?

[TehBrawlGuy]

I'm fine with swapping to Shepard, but if I do, it'll probably be the hammer. Even though I think he's scum, it does kind of unnerve me that PP wagon has had so many counterwagons, so I feel more sure about PP.

[the worst]

I think your gut is broken, the worst.

I'm actual struggling here. There's a number of people I have as like....could see them as scum but I just think they're town. I'm cold on scum!PP again.

If it comes to a 1v1 between you and CShep my initial read had his slot down as town, and I actually think his case on you is reasonable. I'm not sure what you mean by saying that you don't think his reasons are adequate coming from him to vote you but if he's caught up and found you scummy that's kinda... how scumreads work.... :/

By way of comparison I had srceen in the bottom half of my list but didn't have a strong read on him. So it's very easy to take a chance on MWNN.


Is there something here you feel like I should be seeing?

[Shoshin]

I think your gut is broken, the worst.

I'm actual struggling here. There's a number of people I have as like....could see them as scum but I just think they're town. I'm cold on scum!PP again.

If it comes to a 1v1 between you and CShep my initial read had his slot down as town, and I actually think his case on you is reasonable. I'm not sure what you mean by saying that you don't think his reasons are adequate coming from him to vote you but if he's caught up and found you scummy that's kinda... how scumreads work.... :/

By way of comparison I had srceen in the bottom half of my list but didn't have a strong read on him. So it's very easy to take a chance on MWNN.


Is there something here you feel like I should be seeing?

You think his case on me is reasonable? What's the case?