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Post Post #68 (isolation #0) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:12 pm

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Sign-up pace are hard to speed up, but if we had things like chat mafia (or the marathon subforum with perhaps limits on how often someone can make a post?), we could have better user retention even when sign-up times are so bad.

I really believe that it's that time gap between signing-up and starting a game that we lose loads of people who could themselves bring in other people.

I'm really interested in the whole automation thing and there's really little limit to how much time I'd volunteer to help out with that. I don't think it's that big of a deal for attracting people, but anything that accelerates the engagement of new users with the site seems like a great idea to me.
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Post Post #85 (isolation #1) » Sat Dec 06, 2014 2:09 am

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bring back the tiger theme
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Post Post #96 (isolation #2) » Sat Dec 06, 2014 12:05 pm

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i sort of agree that an irc thing would be better since it would enable direct use without requiring navigation to ms.net
but we'd need to integrate that into the site as well ofc
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Post Post #104 (isolation #3) » Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:46 pm

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In post 103, Muffin wrote:Everyone here dismissing "web 2.0" as a fad need to go do some reading. Some of these design trends are very functional. PHPbb is notorious for having terrible design. Look at all the extraneous cruft on the page. "Who is online" and "Administrative team" links. Three separate links to UCP, Inbox, and "view my posts" which really should all be on a sub-page or in a collapsing menu. The FAQ link is actually a link to "rarely asked questions". There's a text-size widget when every modern browser has a zoom function built in.


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Post Post #131 (isolation #4) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 5:39 pm

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we'd just need a full-screen option and a half-pane thing and a bot to run the games
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Post Post #156 (isolation #5) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:34 am

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what's missing from the current one?
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Post Post #178 (isolation #6) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:44 am

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In post 174, zoraster wrote:I did advertising through google adwords a while ago with my own money as a test case, spending about 20 bucks. I think unless and until the site gets somewhat monetized (even lightly) that it's difficult to maintain an advertising presence though.

fwiw I'm all for statistics being automated, even if it was a simple "enter who is mafia, town, and third party and who won" for each game, then having a player's profile show win, loss records for each type. The issue is I'm not sure who's going to code that, and getting universal adoption would require some concerted effort beyond just the coding.


If we just standardized - even really loosely! - certain posts that the moderator makes, it would be so easy to scrape this stuff on a semi-regular basis.
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Post Post #183 (isolation #7) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:54 am

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But we are always on the first page, right?
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Post Post #185 (isolation #8) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:56 am

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no i didn't mean to post that at all
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Post Post #187 (isolation #9) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:03 am

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damn it
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Post Post #253 (isolation #10) » Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:05 am

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I think that if we combine it with a sufficiently well-publicized replacement karma system, it might work, though there will certainly be other complications.
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Post Post #258 (isolation #11) » Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:30 am

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In post 254, zoraster wrote:I don't think the karma system works within that framework. I don't think it works in EM especially if that's the basis for calling it a "karma" system. If you're thinking of something totally different, then I'm all ears.


like the one someone proposed earlier
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Post Post #328 (isolation #12) » Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:04 am

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a long-term solution to the bottleneck would be to have for this sort of thing people rather than person
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Post Post #333 (isolation #13) » Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:58 am

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oh yeah
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Post Post #484 (isolation #14) » Sat Dec 27, 2014 8:49 am

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really
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Post Post #564 (isolation #15) » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:38 am

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the more standard things are,
the easier it is to make programs around them
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Post Post #581 (isolation #16) » Wed Dec 31, 2014 12:00 pm

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majiffy, everyone
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Post Post #640 (isolation #17) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:12 pm

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em has really stepped its game up!

also i find myself unable to give two shits about Al Capone, the history and origins of zzz
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Post Post #647 (isolation #18) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:20 pm

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wake...
mafia isn't about the mafia
and what's exciting about mafia isn't its allusions to the mafia, either
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Post Post #652 (isolation #19) » Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:04 pm

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I think Junpei should make a thread where he explains just what skillful mafia play consists of.
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Post Post #660 (isolation #20) » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:54 pm

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I said "thread". You limit your readership by thousands just posting it here. The mafia playing world has got to know.what it takes.
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Post Post #675 (isolation #21) » Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:27 am

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now the whole forum finally knows you're 13
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Post Post #731 (isolation #22) » Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:06 pm

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these new ads sure aren’t gonna help traffic
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Post Post #756 (isolation #23) » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:36 am

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should also really underline that point about wait times made earlier by many people
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Post Post #757 (isolation #24) » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:43 am

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anyway i have most of the parts ready for a particular approach to the automod stuff you're interested in
but it's still a little mysterious what the site will be like after it's upgraded, so i've moved on to other things for the moment
but it's a guarantee that we can achieve much of what sites like mafiauniverse offer
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Post Post #760 (isolation #25) » Wed Apr 04, 2018 9:03 am

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the enemy of the good
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Post Post #812 (isolation #26) » Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:50 pm

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oh boy automated signups i forgot that was a thing
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Post Post #828 (isolation #27) » Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:20 am

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well, consider it done
at some point this spring
or summer
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Post Post #867 (isolation #28) » Fri May 04, 2018 3:16 pm

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this thread is too glum for me imo
so much has happened and will happen since it’s started and i think that effort is accellerating with each passing day
i’m really excited about this challenge and have no doubt that we’ll be able to make the quality of life changes necessary to keep this forum healthy and active for years to come

i don’t want to sound...megalomaniacal, but right now i just feel it, sorry!
have more free time and less distraction than i ever had and probably ever will
and now that i have a truly worthy votecounter, nothing that needs to be done here seems even marginally hard to do
all of these problems are going to dissolve away
it’s just a matter of time and resolve — and we’ve got both!
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Post Post #870 (isolation #29) » Fri May 04, 2018 8:17 pm

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Yeah, I've sort of felt a similar impingement lately.
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Post Post #880 (isolation #30) » Mon May 07, 2018 4:34 am

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i think the modbot we've been chatting about may actually support mobile use
you'll set it up on your computer, expose your localtunnel with a single command line statement, and receive a url that you can access anywhere to a page w/ an interface that controls the bot
that url won't work well for many users, but for modding you don't really need that, right?
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Post Post #882 (isolation #31) » Mon May 07, 2018 5:28 am

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Not necessarily!
I’ll show you later.
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Post Post #917 (isolation #32) » Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:05 am

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In post 909, chamber wrote:Merge the normal queues and merge opens into micros (given that I believe the micro opens are the most popular anyway)?
merge the micros and blitzes
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Post Post #954 (isolation #33) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:21 am

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You know before I thought that Modbot would be something to help mods run their games, but maybe something more autonomous would suit shorter, presumably more numerous games like marathons and blitzes?

there'd still be someone behind the wheels in case of trouble, but maybe that someone would be the queue's listmod or a team of people
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Post Post #956 (isolation #34) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:30 am

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yeah was thinking at at least minimally we could design/use open setups like the kind we use for newbies where setups aren’t the same between games but are still constrained and thoroughly validated for balance
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Post Post #961 (isolation #35) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:58 am

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i think i got a pm from my good friend james3
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Post Post #964 (isolation #36) » Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:47 pm

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i think mafsilver is more welcoming
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Post Post #981 (isolation #37) » Thu Jun 28, 2018 8:08 am

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fully auto vc is already implemented
maybe it needs to be translated into a different language or integrated with a friendly interface, but it's done and has near-perfect accuracy
it's a very good string-to-username matcher in general actually
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Post Post #1004 (isolation #38) » Sun Jul 01, 2018 5:23 am

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always so afraid to commit to the things you've said
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Post Post #1014 (isolation #39) » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:40 am

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which games go into the queue perhaps needs to be more directly driven by player interest, rather than by whichever vanity projects the moderator base are currently committed to
games with shorter deadlines is a good example of this: players want them, but mods are consistently choosing to run longer games instead
due to the mismatch, the community suffers
in general, though, it's hard to tell what the playerbase's interests are, because 1) many of them are latent, they lack the experience/knowhow necessary to articulate what they want, 2) the potential playerbase could have different preferences than our current, actual playerbase, and 3) i forgot #3
for that reason, it's important to just react when clear, well-defined preferences do become obvious and maybe to design processes for determining further
From there, it may be important to strongarm mods into responding to player interests. That can minimally involve letting mods know how the queue should change to reflect player interests and encouraging to design their setups around that, and more strongly could involve giving preferences to setups that seem player interest-driven or even more controversially requiring setups to match those features.

what im ultimately saying is that maybe with a little top-down action driven by attention to potential player interests, the supply of games might be molded to better match what our potential playerbase would actually like to play
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Post Post #1023 (isolation #40) » Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:33 am

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In post 1015, chamber wrote:Do you have specific proposals about what being more responsive would look like? How do you detect what the player base wants?
i dont think there's an ideal way to do it
maybe regular postgame feedback surveys where the last question solicits open-ended ideas about how game distribution should change
if someone submits an un-implemented idea that isn't plainly crazy, add a specific question about it to the form, and maybe bring up the idea in MD too

i think this process would've captured and measured interest in shorter games, and is at least substantially likely to capture other preferences that might be lurking about as well

though it certainly has some big limitations (eg that thing about potential vs actual playerbase)
maybe one way to ameliorate this a little would be to emphasize the feedback of newer players vs older
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Post Post #1025 (isolation #41) » Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:57 am

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sounds like you need to catch up on the current convo
"quality" is a subjective concept that depends on the interests of the player base - actual and potential
the question is how to alter site administration so that the games in queue are more reliably the games our actual/potential player base want to play
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Post Post #1028 (isolation #42) » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:02 am

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plurality
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Post Post #1031 (isolation #43) » Sun Jul 01, 2018 9:04 am

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yeah most of what im typing assumes a brave new world where modding is so easy someone can easily be responsible for several games at once
we're not there yet :(
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Post Post #1040 (isolation #44) » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:37 am

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replace outs are inevitable and often desirable
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Post Post #1044 (isolation #45) » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:08 pm

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In post 1042, Katsuki wrote:
In post 1025, Psyche wrote:sounds like you need to catch up on the current convo
"quality" is a subjective concept that depends on the interests of the player base - actual and potential
the question is how to alter site administration so that the games in queue are more reliably the games our actual/potential player base want to play
Always felt like you guys have been beating the wrong bush but w.e
it’s the same bush!
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